Cincy and UConn to join C7?

[brewcity77]

I'd tell them to take a hike unless they drop football.  Or put the buyout price so high they could never leave.

Agreed. If they agree to a $50M buyout then maybe. If they agree to a non-negotiable $50M buyout, then yes. Anything less and I don't want them. I'd rather have basketball schools that are committed to this than football schools that are just trying to save face. Let them do that in C-USA.

[The Process]

http://www.youtube.com/v/xlA9bNk3b5Q

[We R Final Four]

I agree with the only two football playing schools concept.  Why not Memphis and UConn?  Why add Cincy and have two Cincinnati teams?

We should probably ask keefe which teams Fox Sports would prefer.

Yes, why add another team from Cincinnati??  This is Xavier's time to shine in a BBall centric league.  One school per market---that is all you get.

[MUVA]

Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market.  Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.

[Pakuni]

Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market.  Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.

Why would the C7 allow Xavier to dictate membership?
If X doesn't like it, they can stay in the A-10 (though quite possibly without Butler, Dayton and/or St. Louis).

Sheesh ... I like Xavier, would love to have them as a conference mate again, but people here seem way too deferential to them.
UConn+Cincy >>>> Xavier.

[foreverwarriors]

@EdDaigneault
UConn official says AD Warde Manuel has had no talks with the Catholic 7 or the MWC. He does not want to split football and basketball.

https://twitter.com/EdDaigneault/status/289867308183220224

[brewcity77]

Why would X want to have Cinci join, they are in the same media market.  Kinda the same issue VU has with Temple.

Xavier doesn't have a say in who will be in the league. The C7 does. The network will consult, but we pick who will get invites. And frankly, having both Cincy and Xavier would be good for this league, even if for the wrong reasons.

[Groin_pull]

If we're going down this road, why not take Memphis too? Then you add X and Butler and don't need SLU or Dayton.

This being said, the purpose of this exercise is to control our own destiny. Bringing football back into the equation does nothing to support the goal.

Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is???  

[The Process]

UConn+Cincy >>>> Xavier.

Until they try to screw us yet again...

They're adrift in the middle of the cold, cold ocean.  I'm not throwing them a life preserver; I'm throwing them an anchor.

Mick Cronin can go pay his thugs elsewhere.

We want stability - wasn't that one of the objectives of saying "Hasta la bye bye" to UCONN and Cincy in the first place...?  How does them joining the C7 accomplish that?  We *all* know (except maybe Keefe) that both of them will continue to make flirty faces at the ACC or any other major conference that'll take them.

To borrow from the esteemed poetess Taylor Swift:  We are never, ever, ever, ever getting back together.

Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is??? 

EXACTLY.

[setyoursightsnorth]

NO. They have everything set up for a good basketball league. Why on earth would they allow them back in. Frustrating beyond belief. I hope it isn't true.

[foreverwarriors]

It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.

[setyoursightsnorth]

Until they try to screw us yet again...

They're adrift in the middle of the cold, cold ocean.  I'm not throwing them a life preserver; I'm throwing them an anchor.

Mick Cronin can go pay his thugs elsewhere.

We want stability - wasn't that one of the objectives of saying "Hasta la bye bye" to UCONN and Cincy in the first place...?  How does them joining the C7 accomplish that?  We *all* know (except maybe Keefe) that both of them will continue to make flirty faces at the ACC or any other major conference that'll take them.

To borrow from the esteemed poetess Taylor Swift:  We are never, ever, ever, ever getting back together.

EXACTLY.

To quote Miss Taylor Swift, we knew that Cincy and Uconn were trouble when they walked in.

[Groin_pull]

It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.

So, you want two league members that will be openly throwing themselves at the ACC and Big XII—and bail the moment an offer comes????

Absolutely unreal.

I'm stunned by the responses to this thread. Just stunned.

[The Process]

It's not like adding UConn and Cincy will magically create a football team for any of the basketball only schools (although I'm sure Villanova fans are hoping it will)...so how exactly does adding them create instability? They leave and we'd still have a strong 10 team league.

We'd have to find two more teams to replace them... and we'd all know they'd be wanting to dance with somebody else from day one.

It's like if you know your spouse has been eyeing up the mailman, throws a fit when the mailman won't take her, and then when you start to move on with your life, she comes back and says "baby, please don't go."

No thank you.

[foreverwarriors]

So, you want two league members that will be openly throwing themselves at the ACC and Big XII—and bail the moment an offer comes????

Absolutely unreal.

I'm stunned by the responses to this thread. Just stunned.

I outlined why I think you take them for the short term here: http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=35406.msg437743#msg437743

[MDMU04]

Why not also add Temple, USF, East Carolina and Tulane and we can keep everything just the way it is???  

If you read my entire post, you may notice that the second sentence said that adding football schools defeats the purpose of starting the new conference where we can control what happens outside of football realignment.

[Pakuni]

We'd have to find two more teams to replace them...

And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.

and we'd all know they'd be wanting to dance with somebody else from day one.

And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.

It's like if you know your spouse has been eyeing up the mailman, throws a fit when the mailman won't take her, and then when you start to move on with your life, she comes back and says "baby, please don't go."

It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).

[foreverwarriors]

And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.

And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.


It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).

+1

Regardless of whether it's a good idea, the UConn AD has said he hasn't talked w/ anyone about it. I think it's a good idea...but considering the framework is already in place for us, if it doesn't happen, there is no impact.

[setyoursightsnorth]

And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.

And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.


It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).

Isn't the stability of the league long term a business approach? Having two members that are there because they have no where else to go and that aren't and won't ever be 100% committed isn't a great business formula. Why bring someone into the fold who fill dip-out when given the chance? A company wouldn't hire a potential worker knowing they are half-heartily doing their job.

[The Process]

You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).

Hold up here.  Wasn't one of the driving factors of this whole saying "ok, that's it, screw you guys, I'm going home" to get AWAY from the trainwreck that the BEast is becoming because of football and turnover because of poaching?

How does inviting the illiterate (UCONN) and the thugs (Cincy) accomplish this?  The only thing that this gets us is away from East Carolina and their fellow Sisters of the Poor programs.

[Pakuni]

Isn't the stability of the league long term a business approach? Having two members that are there because they have no where else to go and that aren't and won't ever be 100% committed isn't a great business formula. Why bring someone into the fold who fill dip-out when given the chance? A company wouldn't hire a potential worker knowing they are half-heartily doing their job.

This already has been answered several times, but here goes one more:

1. Likely increases value of TV package (UConn and Cincy >>> Creighton and Dayton)
2. Helps retain Big East name and brand
3. Could help avoid exit fees/legal fight over fees
4. Create exit fee windfall if/when they do leave
5. Improve leverage in negotiations with other possible conference members (Xavier, for example, is much less of a must have with Cincy and UConn in the fold)
6. They happen to have pretty good basketball teams with longstanding traditions of success

[Groin_pull]

And if this happens with Butler, Xavier and St. Louis, you really think that'll be difficult? You don't think Creighton would be dying for an invite down the line? Dayton? VCU? The league will have its pick.

And .... that hurts feelings? Who cares? They use us a place to park their programs for a few years (maybe longer... who knows), we use them to help retain the BE name, get a more lucrative TV deal, possibly avoid BE exit fees, create a minor windfall of exit fees when they do leave and improve leverage would other would-be members.
Everybody wins.

It's not like that at all. You guys need to look at this through the eyes of a business person, not a jilted teenage girl (I'm looking at you, Taylor Swift fans).

So how is it good for business to have two schools that don't want to be long-term partners with the C7—and will be looking to bail the moment they join?  Will it be good for business to have every media outlet reporting on UConn's and Cincy's constant attempts to join another conference? Will it be good for business to have those same media outlets constantly speculating as to when UConn and Cincy will finally hook up with another conference? Will it be good for business to have the C7 suddenly drop two teams—and then be forced to scramble for two replacements?

[Pakuni]

Hold up here.  Wasn't one of the driving factors of this whole saying "ok, that's it, screw you guys, I'm going home" to get AWAY from the trainwreck that the BEast is becoming because of football and turnover because of poaching?

How does inviting the illiterate (UCONN) and the thugs (Cincy) accomplish this?  The only thing that this gets us is away from East Carolina and their fellow Sisters of the Poor programs.

Ummm .... no.
It creates a power basketball conference (much more so with UConn/Cincy than without) with no football influence whatsoever.
The driving factor behind the C7's move was because in the Big East's desperation to preserve its football product it was destroying its basketball product. That's not an issue here because there is no football product.

[Xbus]

I would be fine with this as long as this doesn't derail Xavier's invite.

The league would get an instant huge rivalry game to market with first ever conference crosstown shootout.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hmmmm.....

I don't want Aresco involved, but from a basketball product point of view, this would be the best option out there. 

I just don't want to go overboard on football members though.  UConn and UC?  I can live with that.  But draw the line there.  No Memphis.  No Temple.

We could do a lot worse than Aresco.  He was thrown into a crap storm that got worse 6 days in.  We could do a lot worse.

I'll believe this whole UC + UCONN angle when I see it.  The basketball only schools have the leverage (both the C7 and the invitees), why give some of that up.  This is like rebound with your ex girlfriend who you don't even like anymore and it wasn't good to begin with.  You end just kind of saying..eh.