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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: Pakuni on December 04, 2012, 02:11:34 PM
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The start of a bad week for Bucky.
And his obvious successor, Dave Doeren from Northern Illinois, just took the NC State job.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--sources--arkansas-to-hire-bret-bielema-195732340.html
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I know many-a Badger fan who won't be disappointed with that news.
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Doesn't EA still live in Atlanta?
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I know many-a Badger fan who won't be disappointed with that news.
Yes. Does Barry come out of retirement?
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I keep wondering if Doeren jumped too soon. Nebraska may be open soon as well. Easily could have gotten a better gig than NC State.
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Stepping stone school.
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I know many-a Badger fan who won't be disappointed with that news.
Really? Not arguing with you, as I only pay peripheral attention to college FB, but since when do UW fans have the right to complain over 3 straight Rose Bowls? Granted, the guy comes of as a total douche and I know they were down this year, but last year he delivered what I can only assume was their best team in 20-25 years, if not longer. You don't get any sort of leash with the fan base after that?
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Really? Not arguing with you, as I only pay peripheral attention to college FB, but since when do UW fans have the right to complain over 3 straight Rose Bowls? Granted, the guy comes of as a total douche and I know they were down this year, but last year he delivered what I can only assume was their best team in 20-25 years, if not longer. You don't get any sort of leash with the fan base after that?
If Marquette makes it to another Sweet 16 this year, I know many-a Marquette fans who wouldn't be disappointed with Buzz taking off.
Couple guys in my office are absolutely delighted in the news. Now are giddily discussing Barry interim head coaching the Rose Bowl.
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Guess he couldn't face losing a third consecutive Rose Bowl.
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I know many-a Badger fan who won't be disappointed with that news.
+1. I can already hear the giddiness in the offices down the hall.
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If Marquette makes it to another Sweet 16 this year, I know many-a Marquette fans who wouldn't be disappointed with Buzz taking off.
Couple guys in my office are absolutely delighted in the news. Now are giddily discussing Barry interim head coaching the Rose Bowl.
Again, really? With the best recruiting class on paper this millennium coming in next year? And us facing an uncertain conference future? Not to mention the fact that we hadn't made the second weekend of the tournament since 2003, no less three consecutive times in a row? MANY Marquette fans wouldn't be disappointed with this scenario? I guess if you're trying to say many Marquette fans are morons.
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Really? Not arguing with you, as I only pay peripheral attention to college FB, but since when do UW fans have the right to complain over 3 straight Rose Bowls? Granted, the guy comes of as a total douche and I know they were down this year, but last year he delivered what I can only assume was their best team in 20-25 years, if not longer. You don't get any sort of leash with the fan base after that?
Not to nitpick, but this year's RB comes with a HUGE asterisk.
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How quickly things change...
“I can tell you this,” says Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema. “We at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC—in any way, shape or form.”
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-02-02/urban-meyer-negative-recruiting-ohio-state-bret-bielema-upset
Or a recent take: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8709906
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I think Paul Chryst will be a real option. How much are the Hogs paying Bret?
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Guess we'll see if Bielema made the Badgers or vice versa. This sounds like a money grab by Bielema.
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Not to nitpick, but this year's RB comes with a HUGE asterisk.
Which is the kind of attitude that leads a coach to look for employment elsewhere.
That and a lot of money.
UW fans seem to forget that Barry's last five bowl appearances were (in order):
Sun
Alamo
Music City
Outback
Capitol One
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Good. Hope they botch the hire and the program falls into a pit of irrelevance.
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This is just so good. If he can't handle Urban Meyer's recruiting tactics, the SEC is gonna be a huge wake-up call.
Speaking of Meyer, that makes for a helluva sales pitch for the new coach. "Come finish second in the division every year and make a secondary bowl game."
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https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/276067062110097409
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Heard the money is 4 mil/yr. What was he making at UW?
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Which is the kind of attitude that leads a coach to look for employment elsewhere.
That and a lot of money.
UW fans seem to forget that Barry's last five bowl appearances were (in order):
Sun
Alamo
Music City
Outback
Capitol One
What's in your wallet?
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Just heard this on the Finebaum show
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Heard the money is 4 mil/yr. What was he making at UW?
Believe it was 2.6
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According to Badger fans the top people they are looking to replace him with are
Nick Saban
Les Miles
Urban Meyer
Bill Snyder
Steve Spurrier
;D
Actually I just heard that Alvarez cooled on Nick Saban
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I heard that Bo is going to coach Football and Basketball. He saw that the football team was able to score 70 points in a game and figured he should attempt to slow their pace as it would look bad if the basketball team was consisently outscored by the football team.
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You think Bo would recruit "Traditionals" at D-Back?
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Paul Chryst?
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Paul Chryst?
According to the idiots on the Badger board they think that Urban Meyer, and Jim Tressell are going to drop what they are doing to head to Madison. True story. One guy even suggested Les Miles. are they stupid or something?
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UW-Madison fans just got a rude awakening as to where their football program stands in the national pecking order.
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But but but but UW-madison coaches don't leave for other jobs. LOL.
Actually, might be an improvement for Becky...I think BB was not a very good coach when it came to time management, decision making, etc. I hope he coaches in the Rose Bowl as I would love to see Stanford annihilate them.
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According to the idiots on the Badger board they think that Urban Meyer, and Jim Tressell are going to drop what they are doing to head to Madison. True story. One guy even suggested Les Miles. are they stupid or something?
Rhetorical question?
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Rhetorical question?
Rhetorical Farley.
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UW-Madison fans just got a rude awakening as to where their football program stands in the national pecking order.
I'm trying to think of the last time a coach left Wisconsin for another job like this. At least at this level. The best I can come up with is Stu Jackson when he left after two years in the early 90s, but he hadn't really been around all that long.
Bob Johnson leaving the hockey program.
But that's about it.
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I'm trying to think of the last time a coach left Wisconsin for another job like this. At least at this level. The best I can come up with is Stu Jackson when he left after two years in the early 90s, but he hadn't really been around all that long.
Bob Johnson leaving the hockey program.
But that's about it.
When Marquette's basketball coach makes as much as their football coach, you can bet, coaches will entertain offers.
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But but but but UW-madison coaches don't leave for other jobs. LOL.
Actually, might be an improvement for Becky...I think BB was not a very good coach when it came to time management, decision making, etc. I hope he coaches in the Rose Bowl as I would love to see Stanford annihilate them.
You and me both. I look forward to Stanford slapping the snot out of Becky.
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I'm trying to think of the last time a coach left Wisconsin for another job like this. At least at this level. The best I can come up with is Stu Jackson when he left after two years in the early 90s, but he hadn't really been around all that long.
Bob Johnson leaving the hockey program.
But that's about it.
The flip side, though, is that UW hasn't had many coaches who were attractive to other programs.
Bo is an excellent coach, but at 60+ years old and a Wisconsin (state of, not UW) lifer, he's not going anywhere.
Alvarez had some interest from Miami, but he would have been walking into a cesspool of NCAA violations and was wise to avoid it.
Beyond those two, which Bucky coach would have been in high demand?
Don Morton? Steve Yoder?
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Not to nitpick, but this year's RB comes with a HUGE asterisk.
I totally agree, but even if they hadn't had the good fortune of making it again due to circumstances, he's still only one year removed from what has to be one of their best squads of all time. And like I said, I barely pay attention to CFB, but on the surface it seems like they're a bit spoiled if they're dissatisfied with his recent three year body of work.
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You think Bo would recruit "Traditionals" at D-Back?
Yes, as well as exclusively at RB & WR.
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Most UW fans even could tell Bielema was a huge d-bag and the program did just as much winning as the coach. This isn't much of a loss for them, but it'll look like it in the coming years when being in third place in their division doesn't let them play a mediocre team for a Rose Bowl berth.
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The flip side, though, is that UW hasn't had many coaches who were attractive to other programs.
Bo is an excellent coach, but at 60+ years old and a Wisconsin (state of, not UW) lifer, he's not going anywhere.
Alvarez had some interest from Miami, but he would have been walking into a cesspool of NCAA violations and was wise to avoid it.
Beyond those two, which Bucky coach would have been in high demand?
Don Morton? Steve Yoder?
Also, Barry's dream was to be just like Bob Devaney and get the Athletic Director spot after coaching, which kept him at UW.
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Really? Not arguing with you, as I only pay peripheral attention to college FB, but since when do UW fans have the right to complain over 3 straight Rose Bowls? Granted, the guy comes of as a total douche and I know they were down this year, but last year he delivered what I can only assume was their best team in 20-25 years, if not longer. You don't get any sort of leash with the fan base after that?
Russel Wilson was a magic gift last year.
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Russel Wilson was a magic gift last year.
Hey, you have to get him there somehow...
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How quickly things change...
“I can tell you this,” says Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema. “We at the Big Ten don’t want to be like the SEC—in any way, shape or form.”
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2012-02-02/urban-meyer-negative-recruiting-ohio-state-bret-bielema-upset
Or a recent take: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8709906
Bret Bielema, who you crappin?
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Gotta love arrogant, delusional Becky fans. The only top coach not on their list of candidates is Jon Gruden...and I'm sure he'll soon be added to the pile.
Go Stanford!
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The reality is that despite being put in the weaker of the two divisions, they still have to deal with Ohio State. He knows he is playing for second in that division at best almost every year. When Penn State recovers, he's playing for third. He gets a huge pay day to go to Arkansas, but he's also going to get a real big reality check down there. Not sure how long he lasts, maybe he can do wonders but I suspect this was all about a once in a lifetime pay day from a desperate SEC school backing up the Brinks truck.
I can't wait to see the press conference with him singing that stupid sooo-wheeeee song. The guy is a pig, so it fits.
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Russel Wilson was a magic gift last year.
Then let's play that game with Crean/DWade. Oh wait you go into raving hysterics anytime anyone does that.
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I've heard Becky will be interviewing Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin, and Jim Harbaugh. Gosh, it's nice being the ultimate destination job in college football.
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Then let's play that game with Crean/DWade. Oh wait you go into raving hysterics anytime anyone does that.
Are you comparing a coach who recruited and landed Wade and who chose to stay at Marquette 3 full years to a grad student that transferred for one year to a school that needed a QB (because he was denied the ability to play baseball for the Colorado Rockies farm system at his old school NC State)?
I fail to see any comparison at all.
Recruited vs non-recruited
3 years vs 1 year
Already graduated and was a "free agent" for any major program needing a QB
Etc,etc
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(http://i.imgur.com/3kIJL.jpg)
Big Noggin
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I fail to see any comparison at all.
Recruited vs non-recruited
3 years vs 1 year
Already graduated and was a "free agent" for any major program needing a QB
Etc,etc
They both were recruited - and I'm sure Bielema had stiffer competition than Illinois State as Wilson was fully qualified.
2 years (had to sit out a year) vs 1, but so what?
They were both "free agents", though Wade was a much easier get because none of the "big guys" could take him due to grades.
Don't know what etc.,etc. means.
Bottom line - If your characterization of Wilson falling into Bielema's lap is accurate, it's as or more accurate in the TC/Wade situation.
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Are you comparing a coach who recruited and landed Wade and who chose to stay at Marquette 3 full years to a grad student that transferred for one year to a school that needed a QB (because he was denied the ability to play baseball for the Colorado Rockies farm system at his old school NC State)?
I fail to see any comparison at all.
Recruited vs non-recruited
3 years vs 1 year
Already graduated and was a "free agent" for any major program needing a QB
Etc,etc
What "comparison?" They were both recruited within the rules of the NCAA. UW was smart to bring in Wilson. MU was smart to stick with Wade.
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After all the jokes are spit out, I'm figurin' UW's next coach will be a high profile hire. Admit it or not, it's big time college football in a great environment and conference with great fan support. Someone isn't going to have resusitate the entire program either.
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Would love to have been present for the conversation between Bieliema and Alvarez...and would love to know Alvarez's mindset at present...his hand selected successor bails on him. All those father/son type walks around campus they apparently had....not enough to keep Bret in Madison...to leave for a tough gig in Arkansas where he has no real ties. I'd be surprised if he is still coach in Arkansas in 5 years.
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Bieliema's buyout was only $1 million. Really can't believe Alvarez had it that low, major f up on his part.
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Would love to have been present for the conversation between Bieliema and Alvarez...and would love to know Alvarez's mindset at present...his hand selected successor bails on him. All those father/son type walks around campus they apparently had....not enough to keep Bret in Madison...to leave for a tough gig in Arkansas where he has no real ties. I'd be surprised if he is still coach in Arkansas in 5 years.
Barry: goddamnit bret, if you don't win this rose bowl I'm gonna have to fire your bloated ass.
Bret: don't worry, I'm taking the Arkansas job so you don't have to can your hand picked protege.
Barry: I knew that $1 million buyout was a good move.
Bo: his buyout is a mill and you won't pay me more than $800k? At least I have my state pension
---star wipe and we're.....out.
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Best line I read - Bielema moving from Wisconsin to Arkansas will raise the IQ of both states...
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i think this is a smart take by Bielema.
He will always be Alvarez's little pupil in Madison - and the undertone even in the national media (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/67150/loss-of-bielema-a-b1g-bitter-pill-to-swallow (http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/67150/loss-of-bielema-a-b1g-bitter-pill-to-swallow)) was that the fanbase, for as passionate and loyal as it is in the scheme of college football - never really warmed up to him. If he only got lukewarm reception after three straight Rose Bowls, it was obviously never really going to get better. He was a couple bad years from being really unpopular really fast - even for CFB. His job security was always going to be tied to Alvarez as the AD in an unnatural way. The fact that his buyout was so low, well, maybe that means more than just a screw up by Barry or an oversight. If Bielema didnt feel his relationship with Barry was literally perfect, it spelled big trouble for him.
At Ark, he gets a bump in pay and a guaranteed 6 years. Plus, if he falls on his face, I think it will be easier for him to find another reasonably good job quickly - 1) Ark is in the SEC, so while losing is unacceptable at those schools, its much more forgiven and contextualized when you get canned and look outside the conference for a job and 2) he basically has to rebuild that program, so if it doesn't happen, its not necessarily on him.
So looking at it that way, Bielema gives himself a ton more $$ and security in terms of years than he might have felt he had in Madison. If he lost for a couple years and the fanbase turned quickly and his own mentor cans him? Thats a much worse job hunt than what he'd face after Arkansas.
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What "comparison?" They were both recruited within the rules of the NCAA. UW was smart to bring in Wilson. MU was smart to stick with Wade.
Agree, UW-madison would be silly not to take him. I'm merely responding to the foolish comparison by someone here. In one instance a kid was recruited, sat out for a year, paid his dues and played for two seasons, going to class, etc. In the other, Wilson was effectively a free agent looking for a one year stop where he didn't have to sit a year due to transfer, only had to take a few classes to remain eligible ...UW and BB were completely the beneficiary of timing and opportunity. He was a known product, all ACC player. Wade was a good high school player, but only made one top 100 list. Not a proven player. The comparisons are inaccurate and dumb...on every level.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204485304576643450854720760.html
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I could tell you stories about Bret running around Madison that would change the way you thought about him (assuming you cared for the guy). Some of the stories are well known, but not talked about in the media around here.
UW is about to get a big helping of humble pie. As has been stated here by other posters, The guy coming in will have to deal with Meyer in Columbus and a rejuvenated Penn State. Unless it is a big splash hire, the program will fall off and be competing for no better than 3rd place for a few years.
UW has an enormous football budget and borderline crazy fans who won't put up with a mediocre hire... but that is what they are going to get.
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Agree, UW-madison would be silly not to take him. I'm merely responding to the foolish comparison by someone here. In one instance a kid was recruited, sat out for a year, paid his dues and played for two seasons, going to class, etc. In the other, Wilson was effectively a free agent looking for a one year stop where he didn't have to sit a year due to transfer, only had to take a few classes to remain eligible ...UW and BB were completely the beneficiary of timing and opportunity. He was a known product, all ACC player. Wade was a good high school player, but only made one top 100 list. Not a proven player. The comparisons are inaccurate and dumb...on every level.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204485304576643450854720760.html
What a tortured argument full of completely irrelevant points. The "only one good year because a miracle player fell into his lap" is a dumb thing to say about both coaches. Somehow for you it's okay to use for one, yet anathema to use for another. You're allowed to admit when you're wrong, you know.
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I could tell you stories about Bret running around Madison that would change the way you thought about him (assuming you cared for the guy). Some of the stories are well known, but not talked about in the media around here.
UW is about to get a big helping of humble pie. As has been stated here by other posters, The guy coming in will have to deal with Meyer in Columbus and a rejuvenated Penn State. Unless it is a big splash hire, the program will fall off and be competing for no better than 3rd place for a few years.
UW has an enormous football budget and borderline crazy fans who won't put up with a mediocre hire... but that is what they are going to get.
You got stories? Tell 'em or don't hide behind the unnamed sources defense. A big helping of humble pie? Did UW get a big helping of humble pie when Barry retired? Disagree.
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So looking at it that way, Bielema gives himself a ton more $$ and security in terms of years than he might have felt he had in Madison. If he lost for a couple years and the fanbase turned quickly and his own mentor cans him? Thats a much worse job hunt than what he'd face after Arkansas.
Bielema was a made man in Madison. He wasn't going to lose his job anytime soon, even with a few rough years. He went to a more lucrative position, but definitely not more stable. And in some ways you have to admire a guy for leaving a comfortable position for a more challenging one.
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Bielema was a made man in Madison. He wasn't going to lose his job anytime soon, even with a few rough years. He went to a more lucrative position, but definitely not more stable. And in some ways you have to admire a guy for leaving a comfortable position for a more challenging one.
Yeah, true, but the timing stinks.
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I could tell you stories about Bret running around Madison that would change the way you thought about him (assuming you cared for the guy). Some of the stories are well known, but not talked about in the media around here.
UW is about to get a big helping of humble pie. As has been stated here by other posters, The guy coming in will have to deal with Meyer in Columbus and a rejuvenated Penn State. Unless it is a big splash hire, the program will fall off and be competing for no better than 3rd place for a few years.
UW has an enormous football budget and borderline crazy fans who won't put up with a mediocre hire... but that is what they are going to get.
I think most UW fans know full well where their program sits in the pantheon of the Big Ten. Most are old enough to remember the years of obscurity in the 70s and 80s where a trip to the Garden State Bowl was treated like the rapture. Six Rose Bowls in 20 years is really more than anyone can expect the team to accomplish given the history.
UW fans are by and large perfectly fine with Florida bowls and an occasional team that at least competes for a conference championship.
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Agree, UW-madison would be silly not to take him. I'm merely responding to the foolish comparison by someone here. In one instance a kid was recruited, sat out for a year, paid his dues and played for two seasons, going to class, etc. In the other, Wilson was effectively a free agent looking for a one year stop where he didn't have to sit a year due to transfer, only had to take a few classes to remain eligible ...UW and BB were completely the beneficiary of timing and opportunity. He was a known product, all ACC player. Wade was a good high school player, but only made one top 100 list. Not a proven player. The comparisons are inaccurate and dumb...on every level.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204485304576643450854720760.html
I think what is foolish is you bringing Wilson up in the first place. He didn't "fall into their laps." He was recruited. That's what coaches do.
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You got stories? Tell 'em or don't hide behind the unnamed sources defense. A big helping of humble pie? Did UW get a big helping of humble pie when Barry retired? Disagree.
Sorry, I don't plan on posting stories from my friends on a message board simply to sate your apatite.
I think most UW fans know full well where their program sits in the pantheon of the Big Ten. Most are old enough to remember the years of obscurity in the 70s and 80s where a trip to the Garden State Bowl was treated like the rapture. Six Rose Bowls in 20 years is really more than anyone can expect the team to accomplish given the history.
UW fans are by and large perfectly fine with Florida bowls and an occasional team that at least competes for a conference championship.
I'm not so sure. The Badgers have been successful for almost 20 years now... Which means that there are a lot of fans that don't remember Badger football being terrible. Many of them expect to win, and expect to compete for B1G titles every year. I have plenty of friends a couple of years younger than me (mid 20s) that are exactly like this.
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Sorry, I don't plan on posting stories from my friends on a message board simply to sate your apatite.
I'm not so sure. The Badgers have been successful for almost 20 years now... Which means that there are a lot of fans that don't remember Badger football being terrible. Many of them expect to win, and expect to compete for B1G titles every year. I have plenty of friends a couple of years younger than me (mid 20s) that are exactly like this.
Then stfu about it, and spend the time learning to spell.
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Then stfu about it, and spend the time learning to spell.
Looks like I hit a nerve. Its a public message board, I don't feel like sharing specifics because I don't know if my friends are comfortable with me doing so. Go beat off to Bret and UW somewhere else. What are you, his personal bodyguard?
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After all the jokes are spit out, I'm figurin' UW's next coach will be a high profile hire. Admit it or not, it's big time college football in a great environment and conference with great fan support. Someone isn't going to have resusitate the entire program either.
Yes, but the UW football program is as good it will ever be. The only way to go is down. The window of a weak Big 10 with Ohio State, and Penn State on probation and on the downswing is going to quickly close. I do not think UW can recruit with the big time programs in part because of academic standards. Sultan said it best, “ UW fans are by and large perfectly fine with Florida bowls and an occasional team that at least competes for a conference championship.” I think that is the best they can hope for.
Therefore, I do not see a high profile coach as a replacement; they will either promote from within or get a coach or assistant from a lesser program. Maybe Bevell is on the short list.
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I'm not so sure. The Badgers have been successful for almost 20 years now... Which means that there are a lot of fans that don't remember Badger football being terrible. Many of them expect to win, and expect to compete for B1G titles every year. I have plenty of friends a couple of years younger than me (mid 20s) that are exactly like this.
First off, no football program is seriously concerned about fans in their mid-20s. Second, your friends need perspective. UW is a mid-level B10 program that sits far from recruiting grounds for talented players.
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Yes, but the UW football program is as good it will ever be. The only way to go is down. The window of a weak Big 10 with Ohio State, and Penn State on probation and on the downswing is going to quickly close. I do not think UW can recruit with the big time programs in part because of academic standards. Sultan said it best, “ UW fans are by and large perfectly fine with Florida bowls and an occasional team that at least competes for a conference championship.” I think that is the best they can hope for.
Therefore, I do not see a high profile coach as a replacement; they will either promote from within or get a coach or assistant from a lesser program. Maybe Bevell is on the short list.
They will get a good candidate. This isn't a rebuilding situation with fans who are delusional. UW isn't an elite program, but it's a program that is good, with fans with realistic expectations, and is generally supportive and patient with coaches.
And UW fans should be glad that Alvarez is making this hire. He knows what it takes to be successful at UW and in the Big Ten. You aren't going to see a spread offense type guy. It will be a pro-set, run emphasis, with a stout defense. That formula has worked at UW now for 20 years. No reason to change.
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First off, no football program is seriously concerned about fans in their mid-20s. Second, your friends need perspective. UW is a mid-level B10 program that sits far from recruiting grounds for talented players.
Hey man, I agree with you and I tell them that. They get mad and disagree with me.
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Looks like I hit a nerve. Its a public message board, I don't feel like sharing specifics because I don't know if my friends are comfortable with me doing so. Go beat off to Bret and UW somewhere else. What are you, his personal bodyguard?
I'm, not a Bielema apologist. I just think it's a cop out to say you could tell stories and then not tell 'em to make you look like some kind of connected insider. Self-aggrandizing, prissy, pomp.
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I'm, not a Bielema apologist. I just think it's a cop out to say you could tell stories and then not tell 'em to make you look like some kind of connected insider. Self-aggrandizing, prissy, pomp.
You can think that if you'd like. I don't see how that makes me any of those things. I'm not some connected insider. My stories come directly from coworkers/friends from the stories. For me to tell them would be to tell my friends that I don't care about their privacy. Sorry, they won't go on a public forum.
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They will get a good candidate. This isn't a rebuilding situation with fans who are delusional. UW isn't an elite program, but it's a program that is good, with fans with realistic expectations, and is generally supportive and patient with coaches.
And UW fans should be glad that Alvarez is making this hire. He knows what it takes to be successful at UW and in the Big Ten. You aren't going to see a spread offense type guy. It will be a pro-set, run emphasis, with a stout defense. That formula has worked at UW now for 20 years. No reason to change.
They will get a good candidate, no doubt. I am not sure it will be high profile, like say Les miles, Urban Meyer or someone of that ilk.
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You can think that if you'd like. I don't see how that makes me any of those things. I'm not some connected insider. My stories come directly from coworkers/friends from the stories. For me to tell them would be to tell my friends that I don't care about their privacy. Sorry, they won't go on a public forum.
Then don't bring up some third party rumor without being prepared to substantiate it.
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Then don't bring up some third party rumor without being prepared to substantiate it.
I forgot. This place is held to the same journalistic integrity as the New York Times.
And they aren't rumors. I'm not here to impress you. This isn't TMZ.
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They will get a good candidate, no doubt. I am not sure it will be high profile, like say Les miles, Urban Meyer or someone of that ilk.
No. The message board guys who think they are going to get Chris Peterson, Gary Patterson or even Andy Reid are just silly and setting themselves up for disappointment. (Sound familiar?)
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They will get a good candidate, no doubt. I am not sure it will be high profile, like say Les miles, Urban Meyer or someone of that ilk.
Probably not, but I'm not sure that a hire like that would be good for the program anyway.
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I forgot. This place is held to the same journalistic integrity as the New York Times.
And they aren't rumors. I'm not here to impress you. This isn't TMZ.
pissing match is over now boys
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I forgot. This place is held to the same journalistic integrity as the New York Times.
And they aren't rumors. I'm not here to impress you. This isn't TMZ.
Good thing.
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Then don't bring up some third party rumor without being prepared to substantiate it.
Here's a third-party rumor... Bret Bielema married a Vegas call girl.
http://michiganstate.247sports.com/Board/93/Is-brett-bielema-marrying-a-Vegas-call-girl-6002296/1
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Bret liked to get drunk, run around campus bars and bang co-eds. The boosters and the athletic dept basically forced him to move out of downtown and out to rural fitchburg to keep him out of the press. he also has (had) at least 1 possibly 2 minders that made sure he stayed out of trouble. He also has a driver now (I thing Bo does too, especially given his penchant for Bud Light and doing donuts in his Buick), a smart move by the school to avoid bad PR from a drunk driving coach.
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You can think that if you'd like. I don't see how that makes me any of those things. I'm not some connected insider. My stories come directly from coworkers/friends from the stories. For me to tell them would be to tell my friends that I don't care about their privacy. Sorry, they won't go on a public forum.
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Looks like Ziggy knows too. The stories aren't exactly state secrets.
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The stories aren't exactly state secrets.
Then why treat them as such?
Maybe cause it's cool to be Self-Aggrandizing Internet Guy.
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Then why treat them as such?
Maybe cause it's cool to be Self-Aggrandizing Internet Guy.
lol I doubt anyone thinks I'm cool.
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Looks like Ziggy knows too. The stories aren't exactly state secrets.
I can see the difference between me and hards. Hards's friends were somehow involved, and I am just reporting the facts as I know them. Maybe bret tagged one of hards's friends. maybe bret tagged the girlfriend of a dude he's friends with. I can respect him not sharing those direct stories, especially when there are just so damn many other BB got drunk and banged this chick story out there in the Mad City.
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Bret liked to get drunk, run around campus bars and bang co-eds. The boosters and the athletic dept basically forced him to move out of downtown and out to rural fitchburg to keep him out of the press. he also has (had) at least 1 possibly 2 minders that made sure he stayed out of trouble. He also has a driver now (I thing Bo does too, especially given his penchant for Bud Light and doing donuts in his Buick), a smart move by the school to avoid bad PR from a drunk driving coach.
I think things like drinking, premarital sex, and the sexual predation of college students by a college adminstrator is way out of bounds. This is serious stuff man, should not be joking about.
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lol I doubt anyone thinks I'm cool.
Well.... not anymore.
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I can see the difference between me and hards. Hards's friends were somehow involved, and I am just reporting the facts as I know them. Maybe bret tagged one of hards's friends. maybe bret tagged the girlfriend of a dude he's friends with. I can respect him not sharing those direct stories, especially when there are just so damn many other BB got drunk and banged this chick story out there in the Mad City.
yup pretty much.
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SEC co-eds won't be able to restrain themselves...
http://guyism.com/sports/shirtless-bret-bielema-will-haunt-your-dreams.html
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UW is a mid-level B10 program ?-(
Six conference championships and 3 Rose Bowl wins in 20 years. Only Ohio $tate can compare with that and I think we know that they operate like an $EC program.
They will be good with Meyer as they get back to busine$$ as u$ual, but nobody is worried about a resurgent PennState. They are on probabtion for 10 years and it will be another 10 after that before they recover fully, if ever.
Personally I am fine with BB leaving. And his wife wasn't a call girl but may have been at Mons Venus (unconfirmed). He did act like a fool when he first got to town.
This is an opportunity for the program to go up a level, but also a huge risk of dropping with the wrong hire.
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UW is a mid-level B10 program ?-(
Six conference championships and 3 Rose Bowl wins in 20 years. Only Ohio $tate can compare with that and I think we know that they operate like an $EC program.
Below OSU, Michigan, Penn State and Nebraska. Those four have more money and more tradition.
5 out of 14 isn't bad though.
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A program that has NEVER won a bowl game (Northwestern) is now a solid middle of the packer (ahead of Indiana, Illinois, Minnesota and Maryland and on a par with Purdue, Iowa and Rutgers) in the Big 10. Says all you need to know about them as a football conference.
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Ooof....
http://deadspin.com/5966021/here-is-a-blurry-photo-of-bret-bielema-shirtless-and-holding-some-sort-of-pinkish-drink
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Penn St is done and from the time they have been in the Big 10 they have wildly underperformed UW. They should be kicked out of the conference anyway for putting up with child rape for so long.
In 2 years in the Big 10, Nebraska trails badly as well. The days of Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch have long since passed.
Sure those two have wayyyyyyy more football tradition and it is done close. We are talking about currently and going forward.
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Correct. All four devote more $$$ to football than UW does.
Look, I am not a hater. I grew up in Madison and watch UW games regularly. But this is their peak. Florida bowl games with occasionally competing for titles is the best you are going to get.
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Correct. All four devote more $$$ to football than UW does.
Look, I am not a hater. I grew up in Madison and watch UW games regularly. But this is their peak. Florida bowl games with occasionally competing for titles is the best you are going to get.
SEE
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Insomnious thought of the morning:
Most D-I coaching contracts would have "no tampering" clauses, no? So is it sage to assume that Arkansas would have needed to contact Barry to get permission to speak to Bielema?
If so, what's the deal with the whole [paraphrased] "HOLY FREAKIN' CHRIST (who we don't actually believe in except during Christmas) WE WERE BLINDSIDED BY THIS" message coming from UW? If UW knew that Arkansas wanted to talk to Bielema:
1) Evidently UW gave Arkansas permission (otherwise we'd be hearing rumblings of tampering by now)
2) When an SEC team comes calling on your coach, they're not interviewing the guy just for kicks
3) One would assume Barry would have said something to Bielema along the lines of "if they make you an offer, talk to me before you make a decision."
4) Regardless of #3, one would assume that before accepting the job Bielema probably would have called Barry to say, "Arkansas made me an offer of X... can we talk?" (unless Bret was horribly disgruntled at Wisconsin, despite three straight Rose Bowls)
So why the heck is UW playing the "innocent bystander" card? Granted, they didn't have to come out and say "yeah, we knew he was talking to Arkansas, and we just couldn't match the offer," but to have taken the position that UW has - at the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, no less - seems rather defensive when you think about it.
And so why would UW be on the defensive? Are they really trying to hide the [obvious] fact that they can't compete with the SEC when it comes to operating a football program, and if so, from whom are they trying to keep this nugget of wisdom? If UW simply let Bielema go without a fight, would it have been a blow to the ego of Bucky Nation (most of them wanted Bielema out years ago)? Was this a "thank God for Arkansas" moment for the Board of Regents? Or did Barry channel his inner LW and draw a line in the sand prompting Bielema to take the initiative in contacting Arkansas?
Some of the statements that have come out on both sides simply don't make sense. (Unless there wasn't any tampering language in Bielema's contract, in which case the incomprehensible genius of Barry Alvarez strikes again.)
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Benny, while *some* people are playing the innocent bystander card, Alvarez hasn't. I think he knew, in fact I had heard somewhere that he was contacted last Friday. I heard this morning that Brett told him that he was going to take the Arkansas job and "there was no point making a counter offer."
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Nevermind....Alvarez apparently said today that Arkansas didn't contact him.
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Penn St is done and from the time they have been in the Big 10 they have wildly underperformed UW. They should be kicked out of the conference anyway for putting up with child rape for so long.
In 2 years in the Big 10, Nebraska trails badly as well. The days of Tommy Frazier and Eric Crouch have long since passed.
Sure those two have wayyyyyyy more football tradition and it is done close. We are talking about currently and going forward.
That "done" team I could have sworn beat Becky less than 2 weeks ago.
Nebraska, I could have sworn beat you this year as well.
The Big Ten is a joke in football, as usual. Pac 12 owned them again. SEC the best. Big 12 clearly superior.
The Big Ten is 4th or 5th..again. Every rating says it. Looking forward to a 3rd straight Rose Bowl defeat here in So. Cal in a few weeks. Bring your friends, help our economy, then go home.
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Bielema dissin' UW for lack of resources in keeping assistant coaches on Mike and Mike this morning. Sounded like crap to me.
Declasse.
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Bielema dissin' UW for lack of resources in keeping assistant coaches on Mike and Mike this morning. Sounded like crap to me.
Declasse.
Well, Alvarez took veiled potshots at Beilema yesterday and now he's returning fire.
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Well, Alvarez took veiled potshots at Beilema yesterday and now he's returning fire.
Hard to say who started it - the pay for assistant coaches issue first arose on Wednesday.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/182275441.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/182275441.html)
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Hard to say who started it - the pay for assistant coaches issue first arose on Wednesday.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/182275441.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/182275441.html)
Looks like Bielema started it. Really classless on his part.
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This will win friends at Bucky:
"My father had a great quote: 'It's better to play in excellence than to excel in mediocrity,' " Bielema said. "It really stuck with me."
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not sure if this has been mentioned yet - Barry Switzer, Arkansas alum, said this on Bielema:
“The first thing I heard was that he grew up on a pig farm,” Switzer said. “That’s quite a start in my book. And my last memory was watching him hang 70 on Nebraska. Just those two facts are enough. Then I hear that he’s out of the Hayden Fry-Bill Snyder-Barry Alvarez coaching tree. Oh, that’s enough for me to like a lot. Then, I hear he’s got a 27-year-old wife. OK, we can stop. I like him.
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Looks like Bielema started it. Really classless on his part.
To be fair, every major sports outlet was pointing to this long before either bielema or Alvarez started mentioning it.
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To be fair, every major sports outlet was pointing to this long before either bielema or Alvarez started mentioning it.
To be fair, where did the sports outlets you mention get the information? Do you think Alvarez told them, "yeah, we're losing him because we underpaid his assistants"?
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To be fair, where did the sports outlets you mention get the information? Do you think Alvarez told them, "yeah, we're losing him because we underpaid his assistants"?
Public records.
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Public records.
You think that various sports outlets searched public records and them made comparisons between what the University of Wisconsin paid its assistant coaches and what other schools paid them? And then reported their findings to the public withouth any input from Bielema or his "people"? Doubt it.
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You think that various sports outlets searched public records and them made comparisons between what the University of Wisconsin paid its assistant coaches and what other schools paid them? And then reported their findings to the public withouth any input from Bielema or his "people"? Doubt it.
Why are you so bent out of shape about who it came from? It's true, and it isn't like it's a huge secret. It's not bitter or unfair.
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Why are you so bent out of shape about who it came from? It's true, and it isn't like it's a huge secret. It's not bitter or unfair.
First of all, I'm not bent out of shape over it.
However, when one has been hired as an assistant, promoted to head coach thereby giving one his first big break, I think it is smarmy to then criticize those who gave you a chance in the first place. Frankly, he wouldn't have been in the position he is without the support of Alvarez and UW. Better to be gracious and grateful then to be boorish and an ingrate.
It's a manners thing.
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By Adam Hoge-
(CBS) Seven years ago, Bret Bielema walked into his first Big Ten head coach’s meeting. In the room were Joe Paterno, Lloyd Carr, Jim Tressel and Joe Tiller.
To say the 36-year-old rookie head coach was a bit of an outcast would be an understatement.
“I’m just kind of happy they let me in,” he said.
But Bielema was used to legends. After all, he played and coached for Hayden Fry at Iowa, became a defensive coordinator under Bill Snyder at Kansas State and was handpicked by Barry Alvarez to take over the program he built from scratch at Wisconsin.
While Bielema never had visions of being a coach until after his playing days were over in 1992, he was destined to be a head coach. And if he didn’t know it right away, he certainly knew it when Fry retired in 1998. In fact, he still keeps the letter in his desk to this day.
I always believed you had two “T’s” in your name because you work your butt off. Though I’m not with you personally, you know you’re in my prayers and you’ll always be like my son. I’m confident that you will have what it takes to become an outstanding head coach in the future. Love you, Hayden Fry.
After reading me the letter out loud in his Camp Randall office, Bielema paused as if to soak in the words again 12 years after it was written. He then walked back to his desk and put it in the same place he keeps it every day.
“Every head coach I ever left — Hayden, Kirk (Ferentz), Snyder — those three always said, ‘You are going to be a great head coach, best of luck’ and all that stuff,” Bielema told me. “I always love Coach Alvarez because he was the first one that gave me the job. All the other ones just wished me luck.”
Just a few feet away was the balcony overlooking what Alvarez had built in Madison. As if he needed a daily reminder, Bielema’s office had a penthouse view of the field at Camp Randall Stadium. Sure, the stadium had been there for years, but Alvarez’s success led to the renovations that expanded Camp Randall, erected the giant scoreboard, built the suites and constructed the very office we were sitting in that day.
That was July of 2010, shortly before a crucial season in Bielema’s career would begin. It was also not long after a disastrous 2008 season in which a year of extremely high expectations took a sudden turn in the wrong direction and ended with a Champs Sports Bowl beatdown at the hands of Florida State and a disappointing 7-6 finish.
“So many things that happened on the field came from indicators that were happening off the field,” Bielema said that day about the 2008 season. “There was a time in there where class attendance wasn’t what we wanted it to be or where it needed to be. The emphasis wasn’t there. All those little things ended up being big things in the end, no question. How they handled their day-to-day work habits and how we as coaches handled them.”
That last phrase was key. Players are always a reflection of their head coach.
There was a time — most notably in Bielema’s first two seasons as head coach — where almost everyone in Madison had a Bret Bielema story. Most were just rumors and embellished ones at that, but it’s never good when stories are flying around about the head football coach at a school like Wisconsin. Back then, Bielema was one of the few head coaches in the country living a bachelor’s life and he was certainly entitled to enjoy himself, but things came to a head when the Badgers started losing. Multiple sources over the years have said that Alvarez and a number of prominent figures around the program met with Bielema after the 2008 season to refocus the head coach.
It’s safe to say it worked. The following offseason can reasonably be called a crossroads in his career. Bielema went to work with a new attitude and it reflected in a new mindset inside the program. In 2009, the Badgers went 10-3, beating a good Miami team in the Champs Sports Bowl. That set the stage for 2010 and 2011, when the Badgers reached back-to-back Rose Bowls.
Bielema always says people are defined more by how they respond to adversity than success and he was living proof of that message following the 2008 season. His team’s performance in last weekend’s Big Ten Championship Game — following a disappointing 7-5 regular season — also reflected that go-to principle of his.
One of the first topics that came up in that Big Ten coaches’ meeting seven years ago was a possible Big Ten Championship Game. The conference was still four years away from announcing the addition of Nebraska and a title game, but that meeting included a serious discussion about expansion.
“I can’t give you an exact quote that was in there, but to say the room was embracing a championship game would not be an adequate or fair statement,” Bielema said.
But he wanted a title game. Bielema was only a few years removed from his days as Kansas State’s defensive coordinator where he helped the Wildcats beat No. 1 Oklahoma in the 2003 Big 12 Championship Game.
“It was the best thing that ever happened in my coaching career,” Bielema said. “I had a very vivid memory of that game.”
So it’s probably fitting that Bielema, who was in full support of adding Nebraska and creating a conference title game, trounced the Cornhuskers 70-31 last weekend in Indianapolis to win his second straight Big Ten Championship Game — the only two that have ever been played.
As it turned out, that would be his final game at Wisconsin.
Bielema dropped a bombshell three days after the win, announcing that he was leaving Wisconsin to take the head coaching job at Arkansas.
Arkansas.
The move came as a stunner to everyone, including those close to him in the Wisconsin athletic department. A reliable source indicated Sunday that Bielema had been contacted by the University of Tennessee, but there was no indication that he would actually leave for another job. If anything, it would just be used as a contract play.
Turns out, it was about way more than his contract. That much is clear after talking to numerous sources around the program in the last 48 hours.
So why did Bielema leave Wisconsin?
The following appear evident at this point: 1) Bielema felt underappreciated at Wisconsin and 2) He felt like he had a better chance of winning a National Championship at Arkansas.
Underappreciated
Bielema has always been confident. Some call him arrogant, others call him cocky. Maybe both are true to some extent. But Bielema has never been afraid to say what he thinks — sometimes to a fault — and that has endeared him to the media.
It’s also why he wasn’t afraid to speak out about his desire for a Big Ten Championship Game seven years ago in front of a bunch of old-timers who were against it. And it’s also a reason why he outlasted every other coach in that room besides Ferentz and Northwestern’s Pat Fitzgerald, who was also a rookie head coach that year. Paterno was fired and passed away after a horrible scandal, Carr retired, Tressel was banned, Tiller retired and Ferentz would likely be out of job at Iowa if it wasn’t for an enormous buyout currently tied to his contract.
Bielema was the second-longest tenured coach in the conference — behind only Ferentz — when he bolted for Arkansas and frankly, he was leading one of only two programs that have improved over the last seven seasons while also avoiding NCAA sanctions (Michigan State being the other, although Northwestern would also be in that conversation).
And yet, fans in Wisconsin never appreciated him.
In a poll on the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel’s web site, 66 percent of respondents were “glad to see him go” as of Thursday afternoon.
Bielema’s contentious relationship with the Badger fan base goes all the way back to when Alvarez named him his successor without a search process before his final season in 2005. Bielema had only been in Madison for one season and many questioned how the then 35-year-old could handle such a big job. To this day, few people know Bielema came in second for the Ball State job when he was only 31. No one really understood how highly thought of he was as a potential head coach. Bielema managed to win the fan base over by winning 17 of his first 18 games, but as soon as adversity struck in 2008, the unfair comparisons to Alvarez took off.
Even back in his office in 2010, Bielema’s frustrations with the fan base were evident.
“There’s no other venue where you make one single decision out there and you have 80 thousand people who can give immediate feedback on what the success was,” Bielema told me. “That’s the part where over time you just learn to balance… believe me I love, and part of the reason why I came to Wisconsin and the reason why I love Wisconsin is the fan support, but you also have to take it with a grain of salt because they wear their emotions on their sleeves and it’s the longevity that you worry about.”
Back then, that quote was easy to gloss over, but given what happened this week, it’s impossible to ignore.
Bielema’s personal growth must be taken into account as well. Surely, he would tell you he matured during his time at Wisconsin. In my sit-down with him in 2010, while speaking about the changes in mentality within the program after the 2008 season, he also let it slip that he had started to think about marriage and raising family. He once viewed his single life as an advantage because had more time to recruit, but things were changing. He met Jen — not Jennifer — while playing Blackjack in Las Vegas, and the two got married in the spring of this year. By Wednesday, he and his wife — who he rarely spoke about publicly in Madison before they were married — were on stage chanting “Pig Sooie” in Fayetteville.
“I just felt it was time for me to spread my wings and fly a little farther,” Bielema said at his introductory press conference at Arkansas.
Whether or not coaching in Alvarez’s shadow in Madison bothered him, it is the reason why it was impossible to win over Badger fans.
After Alvarez announced Thursday he would coach Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl, Badgers starting middle linebacker Chris Borland — many of the overlooked recruits Bielema brought to Madison, tweeted: “When anyone around this program simply says ‘coach’, you know who they’re talking about.”
He’s not talking about Bret Bielema. And he was recruited by Bret Bielema.
Just last Friday in Indianapolis, Bielema was bragging about bringing 12 NFL-ready players back for next season. By Tuesday, he had decided to instead take over a 4-8 Arkansas team reeling after the Bobby Petrino scandal. Clearly, creating his own legacy is important to him.
Chasing A Dream
“What today brings is an opportunity for me to stand in front of you and chase a dream.”
Those were Bielema’s words Wednesday when he addressed the Arkansas Razorbacks fan base for the first time. And it came one day after, according to Wisconsin running back Montee Ball, Bielema told the Badgers he was leaving because “he wants to win a championship.”
Talk about a slap in the face to his former players.
“I was a little surprised by that and he said that to me,” Alvarez said Thursday. “I wish him well. I thought we were very close to playing a national championship game a year ago.”
Indeed, Wisconsin was just two Hail Mary’s away being undefeated in 2011 and receiving a likely berth to the BCS Championship Game. And it’s easy for one to wonder why Bielema thinks he will have a better chance of winning a national title in the SEC, where he’ll have his hands full just getting out of the SEC West. But here’s the other way to look at this: Bielema had a once in a generation quarterback in Russell Wilson (who basically fell in his lap) and he still couldn’t get to the national championship game because his defense couldn’t stop a couple prayers in the final seconds.
Indeed, in recent years, Bielema talked more and more about winning a national title. He really thought he could do it at Wisconsin.
Then he lost offensive coordinator Paul Chryst to Pitt.
Losing Chryst was not a surprise. The offensive genius behind Wisconsin’s high-powered attack had been rumored for head coaching jobs for years. But Bielema likely did not envision losing a total of six assistants. Bob Bostad, a brilliant offensive line coach, followed Chryst to Pitt and eventually landed with the Tampa Bay Buccanneers. Joe Rudolph, his tight ends coach and top recruiter, also bolted for Pitt, although it was a very tough decision for him.
Now it’s become apparent money was an issue.
“I just wasn’t able to compensate them in a way that other coaches were,” Bielema said Wednesday. “I lost three coaches last year that were making $225,000 to making over $400,000 each.”
Alvarez also revealed Thursday that he helped Chryst get the Pitt job and it’s possible Bielema did not appreciate his athletic director shopping his offensive coordinator and then refusing to come up with the money to keep his other top assistants.
“This year, as soon as we won (the Big Ten Championship Game), I had three coaches come to me the day after the game and they had been contacted by other schools, offering them money that I can’t bring them at Wisconsin,” Bielema said. “Wisconsin isn’t wired to do that at this point. I felt that for me and my future, and for my wife, and what I wanted to accomplish in the world of college football, I needed to have that ability to do that. And thankfully I’ve found that here at Arkansas.”
Alvarez countered: “Every time someone has a hint they may take another job, it’s not prudent to jump and throw a pile of money at them. We all see what the salaries are. I know what the salaries are. I get charts with them. We’re more than competitive.”
Clearly, Bielema didn’t see it the same way. After not being able to retain his assistants last year, his mind started to wander elsewhere. According to the Wisconsin State Journal, he received an NFL offer last January and nearly left. In September, the Badgers lost to Oregon State and Bielema fired brand new offensive line coach Mike Markuson. He promoted graduate assistant Bart Miller to take over. That same month, knowing Arkansas was being coached by interim head coach John L. Smith, Bielema sent a letter to Arkansas Athletic Director Jeff Long expressing his support for how he handled the Bobby Petrino scandal.
Saturday night, shortly after Bielema’s Badgers won their third straight Big Ten title, an Arkansas representative left a voicemail for the coach requesting to meet with him in New York where coaches across the country — including Bielema and Alvarez — were gathering.
Bielema weighed the offer Monday evening and told Alvarez Tuesday morning he was accepting.
“As we went through the conversation,” Alvarez explained. “I said, ‘You’re not telling me you’re going to visit with the Arkansas people. You’ve already taken the job.’”
The answer was yes. There wasn’t even a chance to counter offer.
Alvarez wasn’t happy that Long didn’t notify him about his intent to talk to Bielema: “Normal protocol would be — before I talk to anyone, I will call their athletic directors.”
But there wasn’t time to fret. Bielema left the room and Alvarez immediately started his coaching search.
“I made contact with a representative of a coach that I was interested in, and I had him in my room five minutes after Bret left,” Alvarez said.
Time will tell if Bielema made a wise decision. He was only 11-14 against ranked opponents at Wisconsin and only 3-7 against top 10 opponents. Considering six SEC teams finished the regular season in the top 10, that might be a problem. On the other hand, if Bielema felt like he was being held back at Wisconsin, he probably views Arkansas’ fat pockets and brand new facilities (scheduled to open next summer) as the key to getting better recruits and competing on a grander stage.
“The opportunity to be in the SEC is something that I really wanted to do,” he said.
You certainly can’t fault the logic or ambition. And hey, if it doesn’t work out, that Iowa job might be open in a few years.
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You think that various sports outlets searched public records and them made comparisons between what the University of Wisconsin paid its assistant coaches and what other schools paid them? And then reported their findings to the public withouth any input from Bielema or his "people"? Doubt it.
Maybe not exactly in that manner, but an astute sports journalist - looking for a common thread in the departure of multiple ass't coaches in a given off season - might start with some salary information for matters of perspective.
Not just in sports, but a natural question to ask in any profession where someone inexplicably leaves job for another is "I wonder what the salary difference is."
I don't think it's unreasonable to say that this fact was already well-known in circles that extend far beyond the confines of Camp Randall. Not at all justifying the fact that he said it, but I agree with the sentiment that at best, this was probably UW Football's worst-kept secret.
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Maybe not exactly in that manner, but an astute sports journalist - looking for a common thread in the departure of multiple ass't coaches in a given off season - might start with some salary information for matters of perspective.
Not just in sports, but a natural question to ask in any profession where someone inexplicably leaves job for another is "I wonder what the salary difference is."
I don't think it's unreasonable to say that this fact was already well-known in circles that extend far beyond the confines of Camp Randall. Not at all justifying the fact that he said it, but I agree with the sentiment that at best, this was probably UW Football's worst-kept secret.
So you disagree with Alvarez when he says that he is well aware of the market for assistant coaches and that UW is more than competitive?
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I can't wait to see BB get totally embarrassed in the SEC.
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I can't wait to see BB get totally embarrassed in the SEC.
I'm with you there.
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So you disagree with Alvarez when he says that he is well aware of the market for assistant coaches and that UW is more than competitive?
What did you expect him to say?
"Uh... well, um, everything that Bret said? Yeah, it's pretty much 100% true."
Listen, I think Barry is a fizzle when it gets down to business, but he's not a complete moron. "Competitive" is a word that those who finish middle-of-the-pack like to use. If UW was anywhere near the upper echelon, Barry would have said so.
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Barry Alvarez is requesting $216,000 to coach the rose bowl..
That's rich.
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Barry Alvarez is requesting $216,000 to coach the rose bowl..
That's rich.
Did the AD approve that?
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Did the AD approve that?
I read something that the board of directors or something needs to approve. 1/12 of Bieleima's salary for one game, not bad...
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Al Golden turned down Alvarez.
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Don't read too much into that. There is so much misinformation and stuff going on behind the scenes, who knows what has been said by this point.
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So who is their new coach going to be?
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I don't know but sure funny watching the meltdown on the badger boards. Never seen a more ridiculous bunch of posters. My view - Barry has his man, he is playing the game.
Average Badger Fan - from previously thinking Barry is a god to
- what the hell is he doing
- everyone is turning him down
- why is he waiting so long
- why does no one want the Badger job
- Barry's ego is in the way,
- Brad Childress is coming back...
and if another idiot points out the mandatory state waiting period, i think ETR's head will explode...
holy crap, what a bunch of pansies on those board.. man up - barry will do this right.
So who is their new coach going to be?
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Yeah, and ETR is flat out wrong. Alvarez got in trouble for the Bielema search. I think you are right...he has his guy but can't announce it until the end of next week....or until the head coach of another school finishes the bowl game.
If I were to bet, and I would still put long odds on this, I would guess Mel Tucker. The current Jags DC. He was in Alvarez's first recruiting class and they apparently talk all of the time.
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Yeah, and ETR is flat out wrong. Alvarez got in trouble for the Bielema search. I think you are right...he has his guy but can't announce it until the end of next week....or until the head coach of another school finishes the bowl game.
If I were to bet, and I would still put long odds on this, I would guess Mel Tucker. The current Jags DC. He was in Alvarez's first recruiting class and they apparently talk all of the time.
Mel Tucker would be a fantastic hire.
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Gary Anderson looking to be the guy.
Hope for their fans' sake Barry is just floating his name to make his real pick look like a home run. Edit: Looks like they floated some dude named Clawson earlier. Andersen it really is.
http://wisconsin.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1450750 (http://wisconsin.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1450750)
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Utah State...home of coaching legends
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;D
I just wanted to bash UW but this coach may be, dare you say, legendary. He's got a good rep.
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Might be a good hire. They certainly had a good year this year and should have beaten the Badgers.
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The problem is that this isn't the splash that UW wanted to make. The way this looks is that UW is not the destination job they think it is. BB made it look like a stepping stone job, and the hire of Utah State's head coach confirms it.
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The problem is that this isn't the splash that UW wanted to make. The way this looks is that UW is not the destination job they think it is. BB made it look like a stepping stone job, and the hire of Utah State's head coach confirms it.
It all depends. If the guy stays 15-20 years and succeeds, then it becomes a "destination job" again right? That's why labels like these are kind of dumb.
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It all depends. If the guy stays 15-20 years and succeeds, then it becomes a "destination job" again right? That's why labels like these are kind of dumb.
+1.
"destination job" and "stepping stone" are labels that are quickly tossed out by fans and lazy journalists/columnists.
In the major conferences, the right job can be a destination for any coach. Wisconsin wasn't an elite program when Barry took the job, but he has stayed forever. It become a destination for him.
With this said, any UW fan who thought UW was a top echelon job was delirious. There are a handful of uber elite jobs, and then everybody else. UW is in the 2nd or 3rd tier of "everybody else".
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It all depends. If the guy stays 15-20 years and succeeds, then it becomes a "destination job" again right? That's why labels like these are kind of dumb.
No. I think a lot of people don't get what a destination job is... Or they falsely think UW is one.
That is all I am really saying.
I don't hate the hire, but I'm going to take a wait and see approach... I'm naturally pessimistic about coaching hires in general. :-P
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No. I think a lot of people don't get what a destination job is...
The point is that "destination job" is what any individual wants to make of it. The entire phrase makes no sense.
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The point is that "destination job" is what any individual wants to make of it. The entire phrase makes no sense.
It makes perfect sense. A destination job is somewhere you choose as your final coaching destination. Ideally, you retire there and are not fired. IMO there are only a couple of those around.
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It makes perfect sense. A destination job is somewhere you choose as your final coaching destination. Ideally, you retire there and are not fired. IMO there are only a couple of those around.
So Wisconsin was a "destination job" when Alvarez had it, but not anymore??? Is Wisconsin a "destination job" for basketball since Ryan is likely going to choose it as his final coaching destination??? Does it stop becoming a "destination job" after his successor is hired?
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So Wisconsin was a "destination job" when Alvarez had it, but not anymore??? Is Wisconsin a "destination job" for basketball since Ryan is likely going to choose it as his final coaching destination??? Does it stop becoming a "destination job" after his successor is hired?
No, it wasn't then, and isn't still. I'd say a destination job is somewhere that many coaches want to end their career at...
Simply ending your career at a school doesn't mean it is a destination. Almost zero coaches probably end up at their destination job.
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No, it wasn't then, and isn't still. I'd say a destination job is somewhere that many coaches want to end their career at...
Oh....what's the number of coaches who want to end a career at a particular school qualifies it as a "destination job?"
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All nonsense. Kentucky wasn't a destination job for Rick Pitino. Gonzaga appears to be for Mark Few. I know the "all coaches are alike/the same mantra is popular with some here, but it's just not so.
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All nonsense. Kentucky wasn't a destination job for Rick Pitino. Gonzaga appears to be for Mark Few. I know the "all coaches are alike/the same mantra is popular with some here, but it's just not so.
Bingo.
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All nonsense. Kentucky wasn't a destination job for Rick Pitino. Gonzaga appears to be for Mark Few. I know the "all coaches are alike/the same mantra is popular with some here, but it's just not so.
Kentucky would have been a destination job for Rick except he went to the NBA and then couldn't cut it.
I'm sorry if this some how upsets you two. It isn't difficult to comprehend.
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Kentucky would have been a destination job for Rick except he went to the NBA and then couldn't cut it.
I'm sorry if this some how upsets you two. It isn't difficult to comprehend.
It doesn't upset me. I just think you are using one of those dumb cliches that have no basis in reality.
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It doesn't upset me. I just think you are using one of those dumb cliches that have no basis in reality.
It's not a cliche though.
UCLA, Kansas, UNC, Duke, and Indiana are the destination jobs that generally no college coach voluntarily leaves unless 1) he goes to the NBA 2) 2) he is pushed/pressured out. #3) he leaves for one of the other ones. I would say #3 is very rare and #2 doesn't happen a lot.
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call it a destination job or don't, but watching this conversation chase its own tail is painful.
list the best coaching jobs from 1-100. draw a line below the job that 75% of coaches wouldnt leave even to take a job higher up the list. every spot above that line is what is meant by a "destination job." I dont know if its a meaningless term or not, but i dont get why everyone is arguing about something where everyone more or less knows what the others mean.
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So Wisconsin was a "destination job" when Alvarez had it, but not anymore??? Is Wisconsin a "destination job" for basketball since Ryan is likely going to choose it as his final coaching destination??? Does it stop becoming a "destination job" after his successor is hired?
If Bo had his way a few years back, WI wouldn't have been his final destination.
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If Bo had his way a few years back, WI wouldn't have been his final destination.
Please explain.
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Wisconsin played well today. Thought it was the worst game I saw Stanford play this year, but some of that credit goes to Wisconsin. Hogan played like a freshman, but good enough to win.
Big Ten, taking another epic dump again in bowl games. 1-9 in the last 10 Rose Bowls. Took a lot of L's today (though played pretty well in three of them).
Good for Northwestern to finally get a W.
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The Big Ten at least seemed competitive and weren't overwhelmed by speed as in recent years. Michigan and Nebraska both had 4th quarter leads. When you consider that every team got pushed down a slot due to Ohio State's ineligibility...and a few teams down two slots due to Penn State's ineligibility...I thought they were respectable.
Remember I am actually a Wisconsin football fan, but even I know they were at best the sixth best team in the Big Ten this year.