Activity on ACC message boards and on Twitter is rising.
Clemson 247 @Tim_Matty247 Sources are indicating that the #B1G has approved #GT as its 15th member. Stay tuned.. @CFravel247 @Clemson247
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#Hokies rumors that the B1G (Big 10) has approved Georgia Tech for membership. Get ready for some fireworks if true...
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Several sources say Big Ten has approved #GeorgiaTech to the BIG. They will be number 15 #B1G #B1Ghaters
Lamont Broadus @TheSportologist
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This is why the ACC is drawing a line in the sand regarding Maryland paying the entire 52 million dollar exit fee.
Since I only care about basketball, the ACC losing GTech and adding UConn is a major win in my book. And a major loss for the BE. Wonder who Aresco will replace them with? Fairfield?
Apparently the reason this isn't public now is because Georgia Tech is playing in the ACCCG tomorrow.
Good. Let's wrap up this b.s. sooner, rather than later. The faster this plays out, the faster MU and the other hoops schools can begin building their own conference.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 30, 2012, 11:22:33 AM
Since I only care about basketball, the ACC losing GTech and adding UConn is a major win in my book. And a major loss for the BE. Wonder who Aresco will replace them with? Fairfield?
"We are committed to the future growth and expansion of the Big East Conference. All of our members remain committed." There, I said it for him this time. It's getting kind of old though and becoming a joke.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 11:25:45 AM
Apparently the reason this isn't public now is because Georgia Tech is playing in the ACCCG tomorrow.
Hope they win and this is true.
If GT goes, who is the 16th Big 10 team??
Quote from: RJax55 on November 30, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
If GT goes, who is the 16th Big 10 team??
Well, depending on what twitter "source" you use....
1. Virginia Tech was also invited, OR
2. UNC, ND, UVa and Kansas were also being vetted
Quote from: RJax55 on November 30, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
If GT goes, who is the 16th Big 10 team??
We've been hearing UNC, UVA, or VT.
Quote from: RJax55 on November 30, 2012, 11:34:45 AM
If GT goes, who is the 16th Big 10 team??
UNC, UVA, BC...but some are pointing to this being the last shot at ND.
Though, who says they stop at 16?
Uh oh, there's a lot of smoke building...
http://www.landgrantholyland.com/2012/11/30/3710442/georgia-tech-approved-by-big-ten-conference-expansion
"I heard..."
"I believe..."
Those are code-phrases for "I read a post authored by an anonymous source on the internet that..."
j/k not really.
Am I the only one that is happy to see this? I really hope its UNC. I think that would make the biggest splash. (Other than ND but I don't see them joining the B1G)
Quote from: MARQ_13 on November 30, 2012, 11:45:12 AM
Am I the only one that is happy to see this? I really hope its UNC. I think that would make the biggest splash. (Other than ND but I don't see them joining the B1G)
As long as it finally kills Big East football, I'm for it.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
As long as it finally kills Big East football, I'm for it.
+1.
GT and UNC to B10...UConn and UC to ACC....Big East drops football.
By the way, UVA is apparently worried about the fiscal cliff. Those B1G pastures may be starting to look very nice.
http://www.nbc29.com/story/20211163/uva-fiscal-cliff
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 11:54:09 AM
+1.
GT and UNC to B10...UConn and UC to ACC....Big East drops football.
Then FSU and one other to SEC and the ACC moves down a big notch if NCAAFB.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 11:38:20 AM
Well, depending on what twitter "source" you use....
1. Virginia Tech was also invited, OR
2. UNC, ND, UVa and Kansas were also being vetted
Thanks. I guess a last ditch effort to swing ND or adding VT would make sense.
I know that this conference shuffling is about the dollars, but I laugh at how the Big 10 is watering down their own conference. Rutgers, Maryland and now GT, that's some average football, to add to a conference already filled with mediocrity.
Of the three, GT has at least been relevant on the national stage, but they have lacked consistency.
Going with VT as the favorite to be #16. If the ACC loses two and adds UConn and UC, let's see how long before the Big 12 answers FSU and Clemson's begging. Then we'll really have some fireworks.
Quote from: RJax55 on November 30, 2012, 12:03:21 PM
Thanks. I guess a last ditch effort to swing ND or adding VT would make sense.
I know that this conference shuffling is about the dollars, but I laugh at how the Big 10 is watering down their own conference. Rutgers, Maryland and now GT, that's some average football, to add to a conference already filled with mediocrity.
Of the three, GT has at least been relevant on the national stage, but they have lacked consistency.
I think they would want UVA more. But also, stop this type of logic:
if A: The teams that are good now will be good in perpetuity, and the teams that are bad will be bad in perpetuity.
and B: Maryland is bad a football
then C: Maryland will be bad at football in perpetuity.
In reality, for all but about 10 teams - college football is a constantly changing and inconsistent competitive landscape.
Quote from: chapman on November 30, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
Going with VT as the favorite to be #16. If the ACC loses two and adds UConn and UC, let's see how long before the Big 12 answers FSU and Clemson's begging. Then we'll really have some fireworks.
If that happens, I could then see the Big XII grab Louisville and Pittsburgh back, and then go west for BYU and Boise st for 16...unless they think they can get UNC and Duke (which I doubt). Would've thought the Big XII would've tried to grab the 4 southern ACC schools, but the B1G is more desirable.
Quote from: chapman on November 30, 2012, 12:12:43 PM
Going with VT as the favorite to be #16. If the ACC loses two and adds UConn and UC, let's see how long before the Big 12 answers FSU and Clemson's begging. Then we'll really have some fireworks.
If 2 ACC go to Big 10 and then 2 depart for somewhere else it'll be interesting to see what the ACC does at that point. Will there be more former Big East schools in the ACC than ACC schools when thsi is done?
It almost seems like at the end of the day the ACC will implode and the Big East of 2005 might be reform.
Quote from: LAZER on November 30, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
It almost seems like at the end of the day the ACC will implode and the Big East of 2005 might be reform.
And it would be awesome if we could miraculously get an invite because that's essentially the conference we joined (sans Duke).
Quote from: LAZER on November 30, 2012, 12:31:18 PM
It almost seems like at the end of the day the ACC will implode and the Big East of 2005 might be reform.
Maybe they can change the name of the conference afterwards and will accept basketball only schools?
This is amusing. Looking at a couple of different sites, it seems as though some twitter handle with a whopping 10 tweets is spreading like wild fire.
https://twitter.com/TheDeaconReport
Read now...ask questions about author's validity later (or not at all).
Just doing some reading around it appears as if UNC fans think they have a standing invitation from the SEC whenever they want it. Whatever happens to Marquette, I've accepted it, but if the ACC could implode it was just be awesome.
They may not admit it but Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Louisville all regret moving there now. UCONN is lucky they weren't invited and may be 50 mil richer because of it.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 30, 2012, 11:51:45 AM
As long as it finally kills Big East football, I'm for it.
Nothing is going to "kill" Big East football. No matter how bad it gets, its still a step up from CUSA, MAC, etc. And as bad as it is, and knowing how unstable the situation is with UConn and Cincy actively trying to leave, Tulane and ECU jumped at the chance to join.
And relative to the basketball teams, they're in the catbirds seat. Honestly, do you think UCF, SMU or Tulane really mind being in a basketball conference with MU, Georgetown or Villanova? It's the basketball teams that are dissatisfied with the evolving state of affairs.
Right now--aside from UConn or Cincy trying to get to the ACC, the Big East is probably the best available option for a whole host of teams. And if UConn and/or Cincy leave, the Big East is going to pluck off the next team or two in the pecking order from CUSA.
That leaves the basketball teams to do what they want--however I dont see any way the football teams would have incentive right now to a) disolve the conference, b) waive the $5 million exit fee for basketball programs and c) give up MSG or the Big East brand.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on November 30, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
They may not admit it but Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Louisville all regret moving there now.
Why? They are all in a stronger, richer conference. Even if worse comes to worse, and Clemson, FSU, GT and UNC leave, they are all in better shape than UConn is.
Duke
Wake Forest
Boston College
Miami
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Cincy
UConn
Louisville
USF
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Non-football
ND
GTown (new market since no UM
SJU
Nova
(no need for SHU and Prov)
Do you really want the ACC to implode? That conference is essentially the old-school BE and there is no guarantee they need/want MU and DePaul. This is our worst case scenario, IMO.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Duke
Wake Forest
Boston College
Miami
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Cincy
UConn
Louisville
USF
----------------------
Non-football
ND
GTown (new market since no UM
SJU
Nova
(no need for SHU and Prov)
Do you really want the ACC to implode? That conference is essentially the old-school BE and there is no guarantee they need/want MU and DePaul. This is our worst case scenario, IMO.
I'm probably being delusional but I think they would consider us. More dominoes will be falling before they get the opportunity to invite bball only members though. ACC is trying to scramble and get a powerful football member right now (Texas?/ND?). I think they realize that adding UCONN and Cincy only creates further instability.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 30, 2012, 01:56:45 PM
Duke
Wake Forest
Boston College
Miami
Syracuse
Pittsburgh
Cincy
UConn
Louisville
USF
----------------------
Non-football
ND
GTown (new market since no UM
SJU
Nova
(no need for SHU and Prov)
Do you really want the ACC to implode? That conference is essentially the old-school BE and there is no guarantee they need/want MU and DePaul. This is our worst case scenario, IMO.
I don't expect UVA, VA Tech, UNC, NC State, Clemson and FSU all to be able to find homes outside the ACC. Which theoretically could lead to 12 fball, 4 bball only
I'll believe a school besides Notre Dame can join as a basketball-only in a football conference when I see it.
Interesting thought from the Georgetown board:
It's cold here in SoCal but the guys on the bench met again as usual. Allow me to summarize the suggestion. A few pages ago on this thread, someone suggested bundling the Basketball schools and selling the bundle to one of the conferences. Let's give that some thought. Big East football remains as is or not. A new league is formed with Basketball only schools. Ten, twelve schools, Big East members, add X. or Butler, or whatever, but instead of trying to get a network deal we sell the TV rights of the bundle as a whole to one of the major conferences. What would the B1G, for example, pay the new league to have the rights to televise their games in DC, NYC, Philly, Cinci, Memphis, etc.? If you live in NYC and want to watch the old Big East go at each other, you have to subscribe to the B1G network. There can be games bwn the two leagues. The ACC with Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Pitt, Ville, and all will be a great Hoops league, but Indiana, tOSU, Wisc, Sparty, Georgetown, Nova, UConn, X, Butler, won't be far behind. What does the B1G get out of it: increased cable subscribers, exposure of their brand into major markets, opening up areas to B1G sports, and the opportunity to renegotiate a better deal with a major network? I bet we can get more $ in this scenario, than going it alone. In a few years, when the contract runs out, we will have made our own bed. If we provide great enterntainment, our price goes up, if we don't we have only ourselves to blame.
--vagrant
The BTN isn't going to have content problems if they go up to 16 teams - especially in the winter. The conference will be able to provide 6-8 basketball games, and 2-3 hockey games each week. And that only includes men's sports. Throw in women's sports and they'll have two games every weeknight and a full slate on Saturdays and Sundays.
Quote from: Aughnanure on November 30, 2012, 02:16:30 PM
Interesting thought from the Georgetown board:
It's cold here in SoCal but the guys on the bench met again as usual. Allow me to summarize the suggestion. A few pages ago on this thread, someone suggested bundling the Basketball schools and selling the bundle to one of the conferences. Let's give that some thought. Big East football remains as is or not. A new league is formed with Basketball only schools. Ten, twelve schools, Big East members, add X. or Butler, or whatever, but instead of trying to get a network deal we sell the TV rights of the bundle as a whole to one of the major conferences. What would the B1G, for example, pay the new league to have the rights to televise their games in DC, NYC, Philly, Cinci, Memphis, etc.? If you live in NYC and want to watch the old Big East go at each other, you have to subscribe to the B1G network. There can be games bwn the two leagues. The ACC with Duke, UNC, Syracuse, Pitt, Ville, and all will be a great Hoops league, but Indiana, tOSU, Wisc, Sparty, Georgetown, Nova, UConn, X, Butler, won't be far behind. What does the B1G get out of it: increased cable subscribers, exposure of their brand into major markets, opening up areas to B1G sports, and the opportunity to renegotiate a better deal with a major network? I bet we can get more $ in this scenario, than going it alone. In a few years, when the contract runs out, we will have made our own bed. If we provide great enterntainment, our price goes up, if we don't we have only ourselves to blame.
--vagrant
This makes a ton of sense.
I think the B1G network is intent on world domination. In other words, the B1G does not want a good deal with ESPN.
They want to be ESPN. 16 football teams and another 10 to 12 basketball teams will keep the three channels of the B1G network (yes they have three channels) filled from September to March with interesting and original sports programming. 50 to 100 millions cable homes from the Mississippi river to the Atlantic ocean will subscribe to this for (CBB can correct me) 80 cents a month per subscriber.
This is why I keep saying we are ok. Either this or a basketball only conference.
Thank god we are not saddled with a mediocre football team like Uconn, cincy Temple or Memphis.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
The BTN isn't going to have content problems if they go up to 16 teams - especially in the winter. The conference will be able to provide 6-8 basketball games, and 2-3 hockey games each week. And that only includes men's sports. Throw in women's sports and they'll have two games every weeknight and a full slate on Saturdays and Sundays.
Not to mention why would one conference television network pay another conference money to carry a product that directly competes with their own programming? All kidding aside, it's not like the B1G doesn't have their own men's basketball product to air. I guess it would give them something to show on alternate channels in non B1G markets, but that seems to be a bit of a reach.
Quote from: MARQ_13 on November 30, 2012, 01:25:33 PM
Just doing some reading around it appears as if UNC fans think they have a standing invitation from the SEC whenever they want it. Whatever happens to Marquette, I've accepted it, but if the ACC could implode it was just be awesome.
They may not admit it but Pitt, Syracuse, Notre Dame, and Louisville all regret moving there now. UCONN is lucky they weren't invited and may be 50 mil richer because of it.
+1
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 30, 2012, 02:42:12 PM
The BTN isn't going to have content problems if they go up to 16 teams - especially in the winter. The conference will be able to provide 6-8 basketball games, and 2-3 hockey games each week. And that only includes men's sports. Throw in women's sports and they'll have two games every weeknight and a full slate on Saturdays and Sundays.
-1
No one will watch anything but football and men's basketball.
The rest is filler that does not make money. Might as well run infomercials.
That is why I think they could expand the B1G to 24 to 26 basketball teams. They would break them into divisions to make it manageable. That would give them 3 or 4 worth watching basketball games a night. Then they would be on Par with ESPN.
Remember they have three channels in Chicago and many other markets.
All of this gives new meaning to "Big 10 ACC Challenge"
The way UNC unnecessarily went on the defensive a week or so ago tells me that they're about to jump ship any day now.
I suppose that the bottom line here is that residents of Georgia can look forward to having it assumed that they will pay for both the BTN and a SEC cable network as part of their basic cable package. Lucky them!
The Ramblin Wreck to the Big 10 makes as much sense as Okie State