@PaintTouches: Todd Mayo ruled academically ineligible. #mubb
@PaintTouches: Mayo is unable to practice or play, effective immediately. #mubb
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Per PT web site, announced by the university.
For how long?
Never stop recruiting.
being a 22-23 year old sophomore he should know better than that. Really let his team down. No way he will be back next year.
Absolute killer. Really dampers the expectations on this season to be honest. He was going to be such a big part to the team this season. Vander really has to step up the on the offensive side of the ball now
Starting to wonder why he's even on the team.
Could he be eligible second semester?
He still has about 6 weeks to pull his grades up before the 1st semester is over.
Curious to know if he was suspended by the NCAA or the administration.
I don't think the NCAA can suspend a player mid semester for poor performance.
Quote from: MUCrew on November 05, 2012, 07:18:27 PM
For how long?
Indefinite. However one would think that if he gets his grades together by the end of the semester that he could be brought back then. From what I have been told is that he really doesn't know what it is like to "be a student." How to study...do homework...take notes, etc.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on November 05, 2012, 07:22:48 PM
Starting to wonder why he's even on the team.
Well if he can't play or practice he really isn't.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 05, 2012, 07:25:54 PM
...he really doesn't know what it is like to "be a student." How to study...do homework...take notes, etc.
I think this happens to a lot of college students (not just athletes). We all knew guys like this when we were frosh., remember? They were only around for about a year.
For basketball players however, usually the structure (required attendance, study hall, tutors, etc.) helps players learn to be ok students.
I hope the light bulb goes on for Todd, for his sake.
Sounds like a case of someone ignoring the very short leash given to him.
Can there ever be a time where there isn't something wrong or someone out?!?!?!
Can kiss whatever good will we had with hunt after he ran that piece about mayo being a new guy after the summer
Quote from: CAGASS24 on November 05, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
Can kiss whatever good will we had with hunt after he ran that piece about mayo being a new guy after the summer
Why? Not Hunt's fault. He reported what Mayo said and maybe Mayo snowed him.
Some* of the posts in this thread are an absolute disgrace. I assume most posting here are grown men, who are just trashing a kid who has academic struggles. Let's just treat the kid like a piece of meat....hey....he can't play basketball so to hell with him...?? Never judge another man till you have walked a day in his shoes. The kid went to 5 or 6 different high schools - pretty sure many posting here weren't raised in such a way.
This is very unfortunate, and will hurt the team....but to turn your back on the kid...and post in a hateful way is really, not the Cura Personalis MU teaches.
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
Some* of the posts in this thread are an absolute disgrace. I assume most posting here are grown men, who are just trashing a kid who has academic struggles. Let's just treat the kid like a piece of meat....hey....he can't play basketball so to hell with him...?? Never judge another man till you have walked a day in his shoes. The kid went to 5 or 6 different high schools - pretty sure many posting here weren't raised in such a way.
This is very unfortunate, and will hurt the team....but to turn your back on the kid...and post in a hateful way is really, not the Cura Personalis MU teaches.
+1000
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
Some* of the posts in this thread are an absolute disgrace. I assume most posting here are grown men, who are just trashing a kid who has academic struggles. Let's just treat the kid like a piece of meat....hey....he can't play basketball so to hell with him...?? Never judge another man till you have walked a day in his shoes. The kid went to 5 or 6 different high schools - pretty sure many posting here weren't raised in such a way.
This is very unfortunate, and will hurt the team....but to turn your back on the kid...and post in a hateful way is really, not the Cura Personalis MU teaches.
Completely agree. (But he went to three high schools and a prep....)
Really sorry to hear this, for the team and for Todd.
Im more disappointed with the fact that Todd somehow slipped through, I wish that he did not have to get to this point. I could care less about the impact for basketball, I just hate to see someone struggle like this...especially since I had academic issues of my own adjusting to Marquette as a freshman. Basketball wise, I am not worried...Jamil, Junior, Davante, Vander, Chris, and Trent are all great players, and they will help us succeed.
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
Some* of the posts in this thread are an absolute disgrace. I assume most posting here are grown men, who are just trashing a kid who has academic struggles. Let's just treat the kid like a piece of meat....hey....he can't play basketball so to hell with him...?? Never judge another man till you have walked a day in his shoes. The kid went to 5 or 6 different high schools - pretty sure many posting here weren't raised in such a way.
This is very unfortunate, and will hurt the team....but to turn your back on the kid...and post in a hateful way is really, not the Cura Personalis MU teaches.
Perfectly said.
A number of us were talking about this earlier this year. None of you should be surprised, despite the spin coming out of the athletic department.
Mayo had questionable academics when he was recruited. Hopefully he takes this setback and turns in into a motivator.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
A number of us were talking about this earlier this year. None of you should be surprised, despite the spin coming out of the athletic department.
Agreed, not a huge surprise, but it's definitely disappointing.
This makes us seem a lot thinner than I originally thought.
Quote from: TrueBlueAndGold on November 05, 2012, 08:02:41 PM
Agreed, not a huge surprise, but it's definitely disappointing.
This makes us seem a lot thinner than I originally thought.
It's heartening to me that he knew this was coming and had committed, after reflecting this summer, to get his academics right. I'm hopeful for his future as a warrior!
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2012, 08:10:58 PM
It's heartening to me that he knew this was coming and had committed, after reflecting this summer, to get his academics right. I'm hopeful for his future as a warrior!
Absolutely. I wonder, if his entire season is in jeopardy, is it worth red shirting? He's obviously older than most sophomores, so who knows if he would even want to.
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 07:46:43 PM
Some* of the posts in this thread are an absolute disgrace. I assume most posting here are grown men, who are just trashing a kid who has academic struggles. Let's just treat the kid like a piece of meat....hey....he can't play basketball so to hell with him...?? Never judge another man till you have walked a day in his shoes. The kid went to 5 or 6 different high schools - pretty sure many posting here weren't raised in such a way.
This is very unfortunate, and will hurt the team....but to turn your back on the kid...and post in a hateful way is really, not the Cura Personalis MU teaches.
16 posts plus the OP preceded yours. I don't see a single post where someone is trashing Mayo for "academic struggles."
Pretty sure you can't red shirt if ruled ineligible.
So .. I would guess that mid-term grades came out, and that's what did it. One would also guess that Todd could play in 2nd semester if he improves beyond the standard.
edit .. or he wasn't going to class. /facepalm
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 05, 2012, 08:39:27 PM
So .. I would guess that mid-term grades came out, and that's what did it. One would also guess that Todd could play in 2nd semester if he improves beyond the standard.
It took dwade a full year as a partial qualifier, do we know why? (i don't know much about this stuff)
Al once said to me after he retired that the greatest moment in his career was when the first person he recruited at MU, Evil Dr. Blackheart, Pat Smith, graduated, not because Pat's life would be necessarily be better (it was), but that his kids' lives would be better a generation later (they were). Todd's mom supports him as do MU and Buzz. Todd has to figure this out and earn back his standing: with MU, his teammates, and himself. It will be the hardest thing he will have to do in his life, but the most worthwhile.
As you can see, he came back to MU even though he knew this rough spot was coming. He is off and running to class, and he will continue to struggle through the learning process which is not naturally easy for him. Buzz was taken aback by Todd opening up at the NCAA's ", talking about God and commitment. It isn't easy for Todd, he is a bit of a loner...but MU isn't South Bend or Chestnut Hill or Foggy Bottom...it is Milwaukee Hard Scrabble. I strongly suggest us Warriors give Todd the utmost encouragement to struggle successfully through this. He needs it, and MU loves to cheer on an underdog.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2012, 08:45:53 PM
Al once said to me after he retired that the greatest moment in his career was when the first person he recruited at MU, Evil Dr. Blackheart, Pat Smith, graduated, not because Pat's life would be necessarily be better (it was), but that his kids' lives would be better a generation later (they were). Todd's mom supports him as do MU and Buzz. Todd has to figure this out and earn back his standing: with MU, his teammates, and himself. It will be the hardest thing he will have to do in his life, but the most worthwhile.
As you can see, he came back to MU even though he knew this rough spot was coming. He is off and running to class, and he will continue to struggle through the learning process which is not naturally easy for him. Buzz was taken aback by Todd opening up at the NCAA's ", talking about God and commitment. It isn't easy for Todd, he is a bit of a loner...but MU isn't South Bend or Chestnut Hill or Foggy Bottom...it is Milwaukee Hard Scrabble. I strongly suggest us Warriors give Todd the utmost encouragement to struggle successfully through this. He needs it, and MU loves to cheer on an underdog.
Post of the year. Well said.
Per PT, it was an NCAA violation which means he received lower than a 1.9 gpa.
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on November 05, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
Per PT, it was an NCAA violation which means he received lower than a 1.9 gpa.
Right, but at least we are reminded that we hold our boys to their academic commitments.
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on November 05, 2012, 08:57:29 PM
Per PT, it was an NCAA violation which means he received lower than a 1.9 gpa.
Might be below 12 credits after dropping a class...? He had the GPA coming in....
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
Right, but at least we are reminded that we hold our boys to their academic commitments.
Feel bad for Todd . Maybe he has some type of learning disability? But also know he was barely showing up for classes.
So, I'm guessing based on the 7 threads on the subject, that Todd Mayo may be ineligible to play basketball at the moment? Is that the story?
Quote from: newsdrms on November 05, 2012, 09:13:26 PM
Feel bad for Todd . Maybe he has some type of learning disability? But also know he was barely showing up for classes.
And he was held accountable. And he decided to make the commitment to getting his crap in order when he could have easily left to get a paycheck in Europe. I respect that.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2012, 09:16:48 PM
And he was held accountable. And he decided to make the commitment to getting his crap in order when he could have easily left to get a paycheck in Europe. I respect that.
Agree
Quote from: Benny B on November 05, 2012, 08:31:51 PM
16 posts plus the OP preceded yours. I don't see a single post where someone is trashing Mayo for "academic struggles."
Looks like 1 has been edited, and perhaps another one gone...but we can split hairs....on the semantics.....but there certainly are a few posts there that trash Mayo...whether or not it was specifically stated about academic struggles is irrelevant...some trashed Mayo..period. Better to not judge another who's situation you know nothing about...and I'm not saying I know anything about Todd's situation either....just I'm not going to judge him hatefully just because he can't play basketball as a result of the academic issues. He's a flawed person just like every other one of us.
Quote from: warrior07 on November 05, 2012, 09:16:16 PM
So, I'm guessing based on the 7 threads on the subject, that Todd Mayo may be ineligible to play basketball at the moment? Is that the story?
Good guess.
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 09:29:52 PM
Better to not judge another who's situation you know nothing about...and I'm not saying I know anything about Todd's situation either....just I'm not going to judge him hatefully just because he can't play basketball as a result of the academic issues. He's a flawed person just like every other one of us.
Very nicely stated.
It's nice to see so many posts from fans that apparently are understanding of the fact that Marquette isnt Stanford and we arent unlike many other programs. So many posters here are so quick to crap all over other programs when bball players are ruled ineligible. Those fans finally get a taste of their own medicine.
Edit - I hope Mayo recovers from this but if not...he had his opportunities. WHen Huggins passes on a player that has 'WVU' tattooed on his arm, you know he is a high risk player. And that 'risk' reared its ugly head.
From everything that I have read and heard, Huggins passed on Mayo for basketball-related reasons. He wasn't exactly highly rated coming out of high school. It was his prep school year that got him on a few more radars.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 05, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
From everything that I have read and heard, Huggins passed on Mayo for basketball-related reasons. He wasn't exactly highly rated coming out of high school. It was his prep school year that got him on a few more radars.
There are two schools I wish the ncaa would prohibit recruits from attending:
1) http://www.huntingtonprep.com/
2) Notre Dame Prep (Mass)
And, no, Mayo had academic problems in high school.
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 09:29:52 PM
Looks like 1 has been edited, and perhaps another one gone...but we can split hairs....on the semantics.....but there certainly are a few posts there that trash Mayo...whether or not it was specifically stated about academic struggles is irrelevant...some trashed Mayo..period. Better to not judge another who's situation you know nothing about...and I'm not saying I know anything about Todd's situation either....just I'm not going to judge him hatefully just because he can't play basketball as a result of the academic issues. He's a flawed person just like every other one of us.
I don't disagree with what you're saying; though you shouldn't be so quick to assume that no one here knows the situation or has walked in similar shoes.
First and foremost I pray he remains a student and gets his degree. If basketball is in his future so much the better but it is important he remains in school and MU is the best place for him .
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 05, 2012, 09:42:32 PM
From everything that I have read and heard, Huggins passed on Mayo for basketball-related reasons. He wasn't exactly highly rated coming out of high school. It was his prep school year that got him on a few more radars.
Huggins didn't pass on Mayo. He offered Todd a scholarship, albeit pretty late in the process.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 09:36:19 PM
It's nice to see so many posts from fans that apparently are understanding of the fact that Marquette isnt Stanford and we arent unlike many other programs. So many posters here are so quick to crap all over other programs when bball players are ruled ineligible. Those fans finally get a taste of their own medicine.
Edit - I hope Mayo recovers from this but if not...he had his opportunities. WHen Huggins passes on a player that has 'WVU' tattooed on his arm, you know he is a high risk player. And that 'risk' reared its ugly head.
Huggins didn't pass on Mayo...he tried to get him...Todd chose MU over WVU...but perhaps you are Mountaineer fan in denial?
Quote from: Ners on November 05, 2012, 10:03:18 PM
Huggins didn't pass on Mayo...he tried to get him...Todd chose MU over WVU...but perhaps you are Mountaineer fan in denial?
nope
Get it together, Todd!
Get this degree so you don't have to force yourself to play well into your 40s because you don't have a backup plan.
Basketball isn't everything!
I guess I'm glad I didn't buy these: http://marquette.fanatics.com/COLLEGE_Marquette_Golden_Eagles/search/Replica%204
I hope Mayo figures it out for his own sake, but he is not a 17-year old kid who wasn't ready to grow up or made a mistake. He is 21 years old and has been given the help from tutors and advisers. Being a former comm major, I've taken plenty of classes where you show up and get a C based on participation. I have trouble believing this is anything more than a commitment to school issue. This is a tough lesson, but he needs to learn his lesson.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
There are two schools I wish the ncaa would prohibit recruits from attending:
1) http://www.huntingtonprep.com/
2) Notre Dame Prep (Mass)
And, no, Mayo had academic problems in high school.
Good try. OJ Mayo graduated from Huntington High not Prep. The website you linked says he was coached by current staff but elsewhere. Again, he did not attend Huntington Prep which is newer and under NCAA scrutiny (and where Wiggins goes). OJ had a 28 ACT and that puts him at 90%+.
Lazar Hayward went to Notre Dame Prep...enough said. I will say that they specialize in learning disabled kids and both have been cleared by the NCAA.
Keep trying to disparage MU and a kid struggling.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on November 05, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
Can kiss whatever good will we had with hunt after he ran that piece about mayo being a new guy after the summer
Or praise Hunt for calling it - he had the "believe it when I see it" skepticism written into his article after all. And he was right to have it.
Quote from: ryegge on November 05, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Pretty sure you can't red shirt if ruled ineligible.
Wouldn't do much anyway, unless he's trying to be here when he's 30.
Not sure we've seen our last of Mayo in an MU uniform since there's the second semester and he won't even be practicing. But if we've learned anything from a Buzz rotation, missing half the year makes it tough for anyone to get major minutes after falling behind.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 05, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Good try. OJ Mayo graduated from Huntington High not Prep. The website you linked says he was coached by current staff but elsewhere. Again, he did not attend Huntington Prep which is newer and under NCAA scrutiny (and where Wiggins goes). OJ had a 28 ACT and that puts him at 90%+.
Lazar Hayward went to Notre Dame Prep...enough said. I will say that they specialize in learning disabled kids and have been cleared by the NCAA.
Keep trying to disparage MU and a kid struggling.
not disparaging. i always thought he went to huntington prep - my mistake.
btw, what does lazar hayward have to do with the academic profile of the high school he attended? have you ever driven by that school? it looks like it needs a bulldozer.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 10:17:34 PM
not disparaging. i always thought he went to huntington prep - my mistake.
btw, what does lazar hayward have to do with the academic profile of the high school he attended? have you ever driven by that school? it looks like it needs a bulldozer.
Wow, keep digging buddy.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 10:17:34 PM
not disparaging. i always thought he went to huntington prep - my mistake.
btw, what does lazar hayward have to do with the academic profile of the high school he attended? have you ever driven by that school? it looks like it needs a bulldozer.
Schools are usually judged by their product rather than how they look.
ND Prep might be awesome, it might be awful... I don't know. But, it's probably a better bet to look at the success of it's graduates vs driving by the building.
But, hey, to each his own, right?
It is very hard for me not to be very angry about this whole situation..especially when I begin to think about opportunities being taken for granted, but we all learn our lessons in different ways (some far more excruciating than others)
I really hope Todd starts making better decisions. Good luck to the young man.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 05, 2012, 10:39:48 PM
Schools are usually judged by their product rather than how they look.
ND Prep might be awesome, it might be awful... I don't know. But, it's probably a better bet to look at the success of it's graduates vs driving by the building.
But, hey, to each his own, right?
I dont think words can really describe Notre Dame Prep. However, here is an article from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/11/AR2007031101466.html
Here are some excerpts:
" Notre Dame Prep opened in 1952, and its three-story school building has steadily deteriorated since. The front door is broken, so students come and go through a screechy side entrance. The nationally ranked boys' and girls' basketball teams play on a court with chipped blue paint and rounded backboards. Two nights each week, the court doubles as a venue for the town bingo game. Notre Dame Prep stopped resurfacing its basketball court almost a decade ago because elderly bingo players complained about the potential for slipping on a waxed floor.
As part of the financial aid package that pays most of his $17,000 tuition, Beasley helps set up and remove the bingo tables two nights each week. He has only two other responsibilities at Notre Dame: to help the basketball team retain its status as the best prep program in the country; and to attain the grades and SAT score necessary for college eligibility.
Practice becomes a centerpiece of the Notre Dame schedule, because half of the school's 60 students are basketball players recruited from out of state. Ten foreign exchange students from South Korea and a handful of locals make up the rest of the student population. "
This is really disappointing. He's got all the resources and help to get the job done in the classroom and just simply hasn't done it. Nobody's fault but Todd's, hopefully he can get his head out of his ass.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
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Really? You started posting today in this thread with a hushmail (http://www.hushmail.com/) account?
(http://i.imgur.com/armxD.jpg)
Quote from: Skatastrophy on November 05, 2012, 11:19:40 PM
Really? You started posting today in this thread with a hushmail (http://www.hushmail.com/) account?
(http://i.imgur.com/armxD.jpg)
no, not today. and yes, hushmail is fantastic.
Dude needs to wake up after brother's situation and obvious opportunity at MU. Wake up Todd!
Novak thread makes situation seem even worse. We all want him to succeed but he needs to look forward and have a plan.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 09:48:57 PM
There are two schools I wish the ncaa would prohibit recruits from attending:
1) http://www.huntingtonprep.com/
2) Notre Dame Prep (Mass)
And, no, Mayo had academic problems in high school.
I know he did...but that wasn't the reason Huggins passed on him. As Ners pointed out, he was late to the party and Buzz was on him early.
To Todd Mayo -
How can you screw your team just four days before the biggest game of the year? Don't you realize college is the only way you will get to the NBA? I felt bad when you were sent home for the summer. I don't feel one bit sorry for you that you can't keep your grades up.
Thanks for nothing.
Quote from: sellit07 on November 06, 2012, 06:14:33 AM
To Todd Mayo -
Idiot...period. How can you screw your team just four days before the biggest game of the year? Don't you realize college is the only way you will get to the NBA? I felt bad when you were sent home for the summer. I don't feel one bit sorry for you that you can't keep your grades up.
Thanks for nothing.
Classy.
Does this impact you at all?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 06, 2012, 06:19:21 AM
Classy.
Does this impact you at all?
Over the top, but
rumor is he wasn't showing up to class and even team meetings. Hard to feel bad for him.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 06, 2012, 06:19:21 AM
Classy.
Does this impact you at all?
It impacts me only because I pulled for a guy who was having a tough time in college. If your missing class or not trying hard when you know you need good grades to play how could you pull for somebody like that. Of course everybody would love him to be on the team because he is a big part of the team. Just sad that talent is wasted.
Quote from: sellit07 on November 06, 2012, 07:07:55 AM
It impacts me only because I pulled for a guy who was having a tough time in college. If your missing class or not trying hard when you know you need good grades to play how could you pull for somebody like that. Of course everybody would love him to be on the team because he is a big part of the team. Just sad that talent is wasted.
Sure. But anonymously calling him an "idiot" in a public forum is classless. He screwed himself more than anyone. No need for someone with no skin in the game to pile on.
Quote from: quagmire on November 06, 2012, 07:20:26 AM
No, actually, I'm a lifelong Warrior fan, with a daughter currently attending MU. I believe Buzz is a slime ball who will end up getting the program on probation.
Huh, that's funny. Based on your first two posts every here thinks you're a slime ball too!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 06, 2012, 07:22:54 AM
Sure. But anonymously calling him an "idiot" in a public forum is classless. He screwed himself more than anyone. No need for someone with no skin in the game to pile on.
My apologies for calling him an idiot. That was just a little out of frustration finding out the news this morning.
Quote from: sellit07 on November 06, 2012, 07:25:17 AM
My apologies for calling him an idiot. That was just a little out of frustration finding out the news this morning.
For the record, there's a "modify" link on the right side of your original post. You can edit it if you like.
Based on what Andy Katz wrote this morning, I'm guessing GPA is not the issue here:
1. Marquette is being quite transparent lately. The Golden Eagles didn't hesitate to suspend coach Buzz Williams for a Big East game for a violation committed by assistant Scott Monarch, who was subsequently fired. The latest from the Golden Eagles is this: Todd Mayo has rendered himself academically ineligible indefinitely. When asked what that means, a Marquette official said just what it says. Mayo did this to himself. Marquette isn't afraid now to call out who is at fault. There are no excuses at Marquette.
It's a NCAA violation, so it is either GPA or dropping below 12 credits. The wording "Mayo did this to himself" indicates it was an action Todd himself took. As tests and grades can be somewhat subjective, I feel pretty confident that he dropped a class that took him below the NCAA-required 12 credits. If he was in line to get a D or worse in a class, it would be a lot harder to ever play again at Marquette than to be suspended for a semester. The good news would be that if he keeps himself in good academic standing and can keep up 12 credits next semester, he should be able to play during the Big East portion of the schedule.
Think back to Todd's recent FaceBook comment that had so many people buzzing: "It will be a major set back for a major come back. MY DESTINY CAN BE DELAYED BUT NOT DENIED. Back to the basic". He just updated his profile picture to one of him in a Marquette uniform. I sincerely hope and believe he will put his nose to the grindstone to get back out there. It's time to support him.
FWIW -- Excellent posts in here from Ners, Dr. Blackheart, and some others. For people like sellit07, honkytonk, and anyone else deciding to use this as a chance to dump on Todd...well, as Buzz says, "[Character] is typically revealed when things are hard, when things are tough." Well, your character was just revealed.
Quote from: honkytonk on November 05, 2012, 10:52:36 PM
I dont think words can really describe Notre Dame Prep. However, here is an article from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/11/AR2007031101466.html
Here are some excerpts:
" Notre Dame Prep opened in 1952, and its three-story school building has steadily deteriorated since. The front door is broken, so students come and go through a screechy side entrance. The nationally ranked boys' and girls' basketball teams play on a court with chipped blue paint and rounded backboards. Two nights each week, the court doubles as a venue for the town bingo game. Notre Dame Prep stopped resurfacing its basketball court almost a decade ago because elderly bingo players complained about the potential for slipping on a waxed floor.
As part of the financial aid package that pays most of his $17,000 tuition, Beasley helps set up and remove the bingo tables two nights each week. He has only two other responsibilities at Notre Dame: to help the basketball team retain its status as the best prep program in the country; and to attain the grades and SAT score necessary for college eligibility.
Practice becomes a centerpiece of the Notre Dame schedule, because half of the school's 60 students are basketball players recruited from out of state. Ten foreign exchange students from South Korea and a handful of locals make up the rest of the student population. "
This is a key part of the article you left out:
During the summer, as part of its probe into prep schools with questionable academic practices, the NCAA sent an investigator to Notre Dame Prep and about 20 other nontraditional private schools, said NCAA Vice President Kevin Lennon. The investigator showed up unannounced, Barton said, and spent a full day observing classes at the school.
"With Notre Dame Prep, we were sufficiently satisfied that it was a high school where learning was going on," Lennon said. "We saw teachers. We saw a curriculum. We saw the things you'd want to see at a high school." Again, I honestly don't know a ton about ND Prep, but you keep coming up with physical issues about the building rather than discussing the actual product (the students it produces). What is the college grad rate of ND Prep grads? Are there notable non-basketball alumni?
Anyways, we are off topic here, so if you want to discuss ND Prep further, just PM me.
Quote from: MikeyT42 on November 05, 2012, 07:25:45 PM
Curious to know if he was suspended by the NCAA or the administration.
I don't think the NCAA can suspend a player mid semester for poor performance.
Does anyone know whether NCAA can suspend a player on mid-term grades? I thought that NCAA only looked at grades at the end of first and second semester. If a player's grades in the spring semester are below the requirement, he is ineligible to play in the fall semester. If he's grades are below the requirement in the fall, he's ineligible for the spring. I don't recall every hearing about NCAA suspensions based on mid-term grades.
I also think that the use of the term "indefinite" is interesting. In the past, I think Buzz has used this to mean that there is no specific, fixed duration. It might be a couple weeks, or it might be permanent. Coupled with the "he did this to himself" comments, I wonder if this is something that Todd can fix prior to the end of the first semester.
In any event, I hope he gets things under control and fixes whatever needs to be fixed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 07:27:36 AM
Based on what Andy Katz wrote this morning, I'm guessing GPA is not the issue here:
1. Marquette is being quite transparent lately. The Golden Eagles didn't hesitate to suspend coach Buzz Williams for a Big East game for a violation committed by assistant Scott Monarch, who was subsequently fired. The latest from the Golden Eagles is this: Todd Mayo has rendered himself academically ineligible indefinitely. When asked what that means, a Marquette official said just what it says. Mayo did this to himself. Marquette isn't afraid now to call out who is at fault. There are no excuses at Marquette.
It's a NCAA violation, so it is either GPA or dropping below 12 credits. The wording "Mayo did this to himself" indicates it was an action Todd himself took. As tests and grades can be somewhat subjective, I feel pretty confident that he dropped a class that took him below the NCAA-required 12 credits. If he was in line to get a D or worse in a class, it would be a lot harder to ever play again at Marquette than to be suspended for a semester. The good news would be that if he keeps himself in good academic standing and can keep up 12 credits next semester, he should be able to play during the Big East portion of the schedule.
Think back to Todd's recent FaceBook comment that had so many people buzzing: "It will be a major set back for a major come back. MY DESTINY CAN BE DELAYED BUT NOT DENIED. Back to the basic". He just updated his profile picture to one of him in a Marquette uniform. I sincerely hope and believe he will put his nose to the grindstone to get back out there. It's time to support him.
FWIW -- Excellent posts in here from Ners, Dr. Blackheart, and some others. For people like sellit07, honkytonk, and anyone else deciding to use this as a chance to dump on Todd...well, as Buzz says, "[Character] is typically revealed when things are hard, when things are tough." Well, your character was just revealed.
It could also be interpreted that "Mayo did this to himself" means that he wasn't going to class or wasn't putting in the time and effort to keep his grades up. College athletes receive a lot of support from tutors and advisers. In order to be ineligible, a player would have to basically ignore these advantages or have a learning disability. I highly doubt that MU would say Mayo did this to himself if he wasn't capable.
It's on Todd now. I hope, for his sake, that he gets things sorted out.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 06, 2012, 07:36:58 AM
Does anyone know whether NCAA can suspend a player on mid-term grades? I thought that NCAA only looked at grades at the end of first and second semester. If a player's grades in the spring semester are below the requirement, he is ineligible to play in the fall semester. If he's grades are below the requirement in the fall, he's ineligible for the spring. I don't recall every hearing about NCAA suspensions based on mid-term grades.
I also think that the use of the term "indefinite" is interesting. In the past, I think Buzz has used this to mean that there is no specific, fixed duration. It might be a couple weeks, or it might be permanent. Coupled with the "he did this to himself" comments, I wonder if this is something that Todd can fix prior to the end of the first semester.
In any event, I hope he gets things under control and fixes whatever needs to be fixed.
With so many Mayo threads a lot of the same questions come up again and again.
Here's what Bilsu had to say in another thread. It makes sense to me.
Quote from: bilsu on November 06, 2012, 08:24:39 AM
I think there is only one way the NCAA would declare him academically ineligible at this point. That would be that he dropped classes, which results in him being below the minimum amount of required credits. I do not think NCAA looks at mid-term grades.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 06, 2012, 07:40:30 AM
It could also be interpreted that "Mayo did this to himself" means that he wasn't going to class or wasn't putting in the time and effort to keep his grades up.
That is exactly how I interpreted it. Regardless of the truthfulness of the statement, I think Marquette would be wise to refrain from making such statements. A simple "Todd Mayo has been declared academically ineligible and will not participate in games or practices indefinitely" or similar should be sufficient.
In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.
Quote from: muguru on November 06, 2012, 09:35:46 AM
In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.
So, are you suggesting that Todd drops a class even though that gets him under the NCAA requirement for credits in order to avoid a final grade from that class which would put him into too big a GPA hole to get out of (under MU standards) to be eligible for second semester?
Quote from: muguru on November 06, 2012, 09:35:46 AM
In all actuality, I believe this was strategic on Todd's part. Under the current MU admin, you are truly better off becoming ineligible by NCAA standards than you are MU standards. MU's standrads are now above the NCAA standards, and a lot less tolerant. Something to think about.
It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on November 05, 2012, 07:39:30 PM
Can kiss whatever good will we had with hunt after he ran that piece about mayo being a new guy after the summer
Of the many comments on this and other threads, this stood out to me as the most ridiculous.
Quote from: LittleMurs on November 06, 2012, 09:41:07 AM
So, are you suggesting that Todd drops a class even though that gets him under the NCAA requirement for credits in order to avoid a final grade from that class which would put him into too big a GPA hole to get out of (under MU standards) to be eligible for second semester?
Exactly! Being ineligible by NCAA standards, SHOULD give him a chance to come back second semester. Had he gotten a "D" or below in the class he dropped, by MU's standards, he would have been ineligible, and because he was on probation already his career would have been over. Have no idea how/why MU has higher standards than the NCAA does, one of Larry/Fr. P's brilliant ideas.
Quote from: Rubie Q on November 06, 2012, 09:43:48 AM
It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.
You think wrong
A ha.
Here comes the LW stuff. Right on time. Oh boy.
Quote from: Rubie Q on November 06, 2012, 09:43:48 AM
It was strategic, but I don't think it had anything to do with MU's standards vs. NCAA standards. From what I understand, the situation was: he was in danger of getting a very poor grade in one of his classes. If he pulled a D or an F, he was probably going to be ineligible for whatever was left of his Marquette career. So, he withdrew from the class, salvaged his GPA, took the hit now, and he'll try again next semester.
If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.
I misunderstood the nature of the issue, then. I thought it was about him getting a poor grade and the hit his GPA would take as a result. My bad.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 10:18:08 AM
If he takes the D or F and violates Marquette's standards, no way we see him back this year, if ever. If he drops the class and violates the NCAA standards, he misses the first semester and most likely see him back in January. This was ALL about MU's standards vs NCAA standards.
Why does it have to be NCAA vs. MU? If he got a D/F, couldn't his GPA have fallen below NCAA GPA standards and, regardless of MU standards, he'd be ineligible? Much easier to correct a credits problem vs. a GPA problem regardless of which GPA standard you need to maintain.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 06, 2012, 10:22:57 AM
Why does it have to be NCAA vs. MU? If he got a D/F, couldn't his GPA have fallen below NCAA GPA standards and, regardless of MU standards, he'd be ineligible? Much easier to correct a credits problem vs. a GPA problem regardless of which GPA standard you need to maintain.
It doesn't have to be. In this case, it is. Under the circumstance, I'm just glad there's a chance we'll see him back next semester, when the more important games are played.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 10:17:26 AM
A ha.
Here comes the LW stuff. Right on time. Oh boy.
Actually, I'm surprised it took this long.
Quote from: wesmat23 on November 05, 2012, 07:19:40 PM
being a 22-23 year old sophomore he should know better than that. Really let his team down. No way he will be back next year.
He's done. And I'm fine with that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 10:29:48 AM
It doesn't have to be. In this case, it is. Under the circumstance, I'm just glad there's a chance we'll see him back next semester, when the more important games are played.
Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?
PT indicated that an MU official said it was an NCAA issue. I don't know that MU has confirmed it officially (or if they even can).
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 11:24:39 AM
Do we have confirmation that this is an MU ineligibility issue and not a NCAA ineligibility issue?
If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU. They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.
So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.
Quote from: w0bbie on November 06, 2012, 11:37:19 AM
If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU. They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.
So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.
Yes.
Quote from: w0bbie on November 06, 2012, 11:37:19 AM
If I'm reading it correctly, Brew and Guru aren't saying that this ineligibilty was imposed by MU. They are saying Mayo chose to take the NCAA ineligibility this semester (due to less than 12 credits) in hopes that it would allow him to meet MU eligibility requirements (GPA) in future semesters.
So he is technically ineligible due to NCAA rules.
Right, but do we know that the pending GPA issue is the dreaded "MU standard" or the "NCAA standard"?
If he doesn't drop a class, ends up with a 1.2GPA, he's not eligible by any standard, right?
I guess before we all go off half-cocked about MU's standards, I'd like to confirm that it's actually an issue here. THENNNNN, we can RAAAAAAGE!*
*I'd suggest an email campaign to the athletic department. It worked this summer. It can work again!
I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.
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Quote from: Pakuni on November 06, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.
If you are correct (which seems probable to me), then I suppose what is being said is that Todd is OK under MU standards, but not NCAA standards for credit hours after dropping a class. Whereas if he had stayed in the class and gotten a low grade, he would have been barred under both NCAA and MU standards for GPA at the end of the semester. It's strategic because he becomes ineligible sooner under this scenario, but if he can make up credits by taking one of the accelerated classes offered during the semester break, he has a shot of being eligible for the second semester.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 06, 2012, 11:47:51 AM
I'm not the insider that about half the posters here proclaim to be (because, no doubt, many of you are intimately familiar Todd Mayo's GPA), but mathematically speaking, it's improbable that Todd meets NCAA requirements but not MU's. Not impossible, but improbable.
Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?
Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.
However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?
Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.
However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.
You haven't done that yet?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?
Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.
However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.
From what I can tell...
Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/
So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.
Quote from: RJax55 on November 06, 2012, 12:37:04 PM
From what I can tell...
Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/
So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.
The consensus on the board seems to indicate it's an NCAA ineligibility, which, as I understand it, can only occur mid-semester due to credits, not GPA,
Quote from: RJax55 on November 06, 2012, 12:37:04 PM
From what I can tell...
Current, MU policy is a 2.0 http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
NCAA policy, is a 1.8 (for a 2nd year or sophomore standing) http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Eligibility/Remaining+Eligible/
So, yes, that GPA window is pretty small. I mean, you would need to know a great deal about Mayo's current academic situation to infer that somehow his eligibility issue is directly tied to the difference between the NCAA and MU GPA standards.
Alright, so regardless of the exact reasons for the current suspension (credits or GPA), a player would have to have a 1.81-1.99GPA in order for this to be strictly a MU eligibility issue and not a NCAA eligibility issue.
Cool. Now the rules are set for the eventual outrage and email campaign.
Quote from: jesmu84 on November 06, 2012, 12:41:42 PM
The consensus on the board seems to indicate it's an NCAA ineligibility, which, as I understand it, can only occur mid-semester due to credits, not GPA,
Yes, you are correct.
However, the reason that I posted the GPA requirements is that some here are speculating that the reason Mayo dropped the class (and thus became ineligible under the NCAA credit policy) was due to how his poor grade in that class would effect his overall Fall GPA. And, what has been theorized is that had Mayo not dropped the class, his semester-end GPA would have made him eligible based on the NCAA policy, but not MU policy. Simply, his Fall GPA would be a 1.9, instead of the 2.0 needed to stay eligible at MU.
To make that claim, I think you would need a great deal of information as to his current situation, with the difference in GPA being so small.
Is it true that Todd is only taking two classes?
From what I understand, receiving a D in a class would not make a player automatically ineligible with the NCAA. However, it would with Marquette. That's the difference. A SA on academic probation could take 4 classes and get A's and B's in three of them, but if the SA got a D in one that player would be ineligible even though their GPA could still be 3.2.
The NCAA looks at class load, GPA, and core classes completed at different stages of a SA's career. As long as Mayo drops the class, he meets the two latter requirements, and if he can get everything caught up by January, he will meet them all and meet both NCAA and MU requirements.
Back in the day we could "audit" a class. If that is still an option, couldn't he have chosen this option thereby giving him the requisite credits, just not receiving a grade for all of them?
I don't believe audited classes are recognized by the NCAA. I'm not 100% on that.
Quote from: reinko on November 06, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
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Hey, isn't that the movie where Randy Quaid flies his fighter plane up the mothership's bunghole?
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 01:11:30 PM
From what I understand, receiving a D in a class would not make a player automatically ineligible with the NCAA. However, it would with Marquette. That's the difference. A SA on academic probation could take 4 classes and get A's and B's in three of them, but if the SA got a D in one that player would be ineligible even though their GPA could still be 3.2.
The NCAA looks at class load, GPA, and core classes completed at different stages of a SA's career. As long as Mayo drops the class, he meets the two latter requirements, and if he can get everything caught up by January, he will meet them all and meet both NCAA and MU requirements.
"You can't get D". Is that an unwritten rule?
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
Do we even know what MU's official standard is? What about the NCAA?
Are we talking about 2.0 vs 2.1? Pretty small window for him to fit into.
However, I reserve the right to write LW a nasty email because he is ruining MU basketball.
NCAA standard is 90 percent of a school's minimum GPA for successful graduation by the start of your second year, 95 percent by the start of your third year and 100 percent by the start of your fourth year. So, if you need a 2.0 GPA to graduate from your school, you need a 1.8 to remain eligible heading into your second year.
MU standard is a flat 2.0 for all years.
Given that Todd has only one year of classes under his belt, it would be hard for his GPA to be a 1.9 or 1.8. The math just doesn't work out easily. Like I said, not impossible, but improbable.
Nothing in the Marquette eligibility policy says a player can't have a 'D'. Maybe they have an official policy and a secret policy so they can capriciously screw over the basketball team.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 01:24:12 PM
"You can't get D". Is that an unwritten rule?
When on academic probation, no.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 06, 2012, 01:55:00 PM
NCAA standard is 90 percent of a school's minimum GPA for successful graduation by the start of your second year, 95 percent by the start of your third year and 100 percent by the start of your fourth year. So, if you need a 2.0 GPA to graduate from your school, you need a 1.8 to remain eligible heading into your second year.
MU standard is a flat 2.0 for all years.
Given that Todd has only one year of classes under his belt, it would be hard for his GPA to be a 1.9 or 1.8. The math just doesn't work out easily. Like I said, not impossible, but improbable.
Nothing in the Marquette eligibility policy says a player can't have a 'D'. Maybe they have an official policy and a secret policy so they can capriciously screw over the basketball team.
I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class. So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.
I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here. There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
When on academic probation, no.
So how poorly must he have been doing when it's determined in early November - with a month of classes and finals still ahead - that it would be impossible for him to pull his grade up to a 'C' in that course?
Quote from: Bocephys on November 06, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class. So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.
I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here. There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.
What?
I'm not trying to blame Larry for anything here.
I'm questioning the legitimacy of claims by those who are.
I 100% believe this a Todd Mayo issue and no blame should be placed elsewhere. The news to me was disappointing but hardly shocking. The academic standards are not an issue for 99% of the players and when one fails it rests on that players shoulders.
Quote from: Bocephys on November 06, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
I do believe their standard policy for students on academic probation defines things such as number of credits taken (they set a high and low limit), number of classes dropped (usually no more than one), overall GPA for the semester, and that you cannot get below a C in any class. So by dropping his worst class he avoided violating his academic probation which would have carried (I imagine) far worse penalties than being suspended by the NCAA for the non-conference season.
I'm not sure why you're trying to make something out of nothing here. There are plenty of reasons to write Larry an angry letter, but this doesn't appear to be one of them.
I'm sorry, I'm the guy who keeps saying stuff about angry letters to LW, and I'm being sarcastic.
Quote from: Goose on November 06, 2012, 02:22:43 PM
I 100% believe this a Todd Mayo issue and no blame should be placed elsewhere. The news to me was disappointing but hardly shocking. The academic standards are not an issue for 99% of the players and when one fails it rests on that players shoulders.
Well stated.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 06, 2012, 01:56:16 PM
When on academic probation, no.
Is there a different eligibility handbook?
I only have access to this:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
But, this doesn't discuss "academic probation" and the requirements and effects of such a situation.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on November 06, 2012, 02:28:22 PM
Is there a different eligibility handbook?
I only have access to this:
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html
But, this doesn't discuss "academic probation" and the requirements and effects of such a situation.
02, it may be outlined in the clause "Must follow principles set forth in the Academic Principles Agreement."
Quote from: RJax55 on November 06, 2012, 02:32:09 PM
02, it may be outlined in the clause "Must follow principles set forth in the Academic Principles Agreement."
Ah yes.
OK, cool.
At the end of the day, I hope Todd continues to work hard and gets himself eligible again.
It also isn't an athletics issue....academic probation is a University-wide issue regardless if they are athletes or not. Pulled this off the web-site. It is for the College of Engineering, but it is similar for the other colleges.
http://www.marquette.edu/engineering/students_policies_dismissal.shtml
"The student must avoid excessive absences and must earn a grade of C or better in every other course."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 06, 2012, 04:06:35 PM
It also isn't an athletics issue....academic probation is a University-wide issue regardless if they are athletes or not. Pulled this off the web-site. It is for the College of Engineering, but it is similar for the other colleges.
http://www.marquette.edu/engineering/students_policies_dismissal.shtml
"The student must avoid excessive absences and must earn a grade of C or better in every other course."
Right.
So this isn't the result of any new university standards for athletes, but rather longstanding policy that applies to all students.
And still I wonder, how bad could his marks have been if they've already determined, well before finals, that he couldn't possibly earn a 'C' in that course.
Perhaps attendance policies? Perhaps they are lower than Cs in multiple classes and he is making a last ditch effort by concentrating on just a couple?
Looks like Todd is optimistic that he'll be back after this semester. From his Facebook:
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again only this time more wisely.
#Dec15"
"to begin again" does not necessarily mean at MU.
yeah that makes me nervous that he will be "beginning again" at another institution of lesser learning.
love it - so he quotes Henry Ford and we now jump to the conclusion he is transferring? Only on MUSCOOP....
Who is jumping to the conclusion that he is transferring? I for one was just throwing out hypotheticals.
I assumed he meant that Buzz was leaving. Nobody else sees that?
+1
Just like the conference realignment hyperventilating on this board, we twist everything around here, and keep twisting it over and over until we find something bad in it. Then we assume that is the truth and proceed to freak out.
Mayo will be eligible again when the semester finishes on Dec 15 and DETERMINED to come back and play to the very best of his ability. That is truly great news.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 28, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
+1
Just like the conference realignment hyperventilating on this board, we twist everything around here, and keep twisting it over and over until we find something bad in it. Then we assume that is the truth and proceed to freak out.
Mayo will be eligible again when the semester finishes on Dec 15 and DETERMINED to come back and play to the very best of his ability. That is truly great news.
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Might help if he also goes to class and studies.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 28, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
I assumed he meant that Buzz was leaving. Nobody else sees that?
Agreed. He used the letters S, M and U in his sentence. I think he's telling us something.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on November 28, 2012, 12:28:51 PM
Might help if he also goes to class and studies.
He has been.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 28, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
+1
Just like the conference realignment hyperventilating on this board, we twist everything around here, and keep twisting it over and over until we find something bad in it. Then we assume that is the truth and proceed to freak out.
Mayo will be eligible again when the semester finishes on Dec 15 and DETERMINED to come back and play to the very best of his ability. That is truly great news.
So what you are saying is that we were twisting it over and over and all this conference realignment is actually something good, phew!
And I apologize for lying before. I was not speaking in hypotheticals.
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on November 28, 2012, 12:30:09 PM
Agreed. He used the letters S, M and U in his sentence. I think he's telling us something.
Play his tweet backwards and it says Paul is dead
Quote from: Parsighian on November 28, 2012, 12:46:55 PM
Play his tweet backwards and it says Paul is dead
Best. First. Post. Ever.
Quote from: beercanindasky on November 28, 2012, 12:11:09 PM
"to begin again" does not necessarily mean at MU.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on November 28, 2012, 12:19:36 PM
love it - so he quotes Henry Ford and we now jump to the conclusion he is transferring? Only on MUSCOOP....
I know it. Beercanindasky's post had me LOL.
So I know that Todd can't be around the team during the suspension but does he have access to the Al? I'd assume he's in there everyday working on his game.
He can be around the team. He cannot participate in team activities. He has been in the Al working on his game and studying.
Gonna be a little optimistic here--If this works out and Mayo returns, this has the makings of another great Marquette/Buzz story: Taking a "lost" player and using some tough love to get him to buy back into the program after the assistant coaches he was connected to all left. Then when more adversity rises up--which could very well be the straw that broke the camel's back--turn it into a great opportunity to focus, buckle down, and learn the value of working hard for something that matters.
Forget basketball--I hope that this is the narrative we are talking about in another year or two.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on November 28, 2012, 01:01:16 PM
He can be around the team. He cannot participate in team activities. He has been in the Al working on his game and studying.
So, the team is still dealing with cancer! Where is Mike Hunt on this story?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 28, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
I assumed he meant that Buzz was leaving. Nobody else sees that?
No, no, no. It means that MU is shutting down the basketball program and Todd is going to be the quarterback on MU's football team next year. Duh.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on November 28, 2012, 12:26:03 PM
I assumed he meant that Buzz was leaving. Nobody else sees that?
Leaving? You guys are nuts. He's CLEARLY saying LW is pushing Buzz out.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 28, 2012, 12:26:08 PM
+1
Just like the conference realignment hyperventilating on this board, we twist everything around here, and keep twisting it over and over until we find something bad in it. Then we assume that is the truth and proceed to freak out.
Mayo will be eligible again when the semester finishes on Dec 15 and DETERMINED to come back and play to the very best of his ability. That is truly great news.
Are you new to message boards? I always love when people hyperventilate about hyperventilating. ;D
Quote from: beercanindasky on November 28, 2012, 12:36:56 PM
So what you are saying is that we were twisting it over and over and all this conference realignment is actually something good, phew!
And I apologize for lying before. I was not speaking in hypotheticals.
I'll say this .. the rest of the message boards of BBall only BE schools are not freaking out as much as this board. They think they will be ok. We think the world is ending?
Why is that?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on November 28, 2012, 07:32:24 PM
I'll say this .. the rest of the message boards of BBall only BE schools are not freaking out as much as this board. They think they will be ok. We think the world is ending?
Why is that?
It is odd. This board is usually the definition of calm, cool, and collected.
We are a bit of an odd duck. Midwest, not in the Big East as long. Georgetown is a much more well-known brand. From an attractiveness standpoint, you could argue St. Johns is ahead of us in everything but on the court product. Nova is probably more well-known. Depaul might welcome re-alignment. Also, right or wrong, some don't have confidence in our administration.
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 28, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
It is odd. This board is usually the definition of calm, cool, and collected.
We are a bit of an odd duck. Midwest, not in the Big East as long. Georgetown is a much more well-known brand. From an attractiveness standpoint, you could argue St. Johns is ahead of us in everything but on the court product. Nova is probably more well-known. Depaul might welcome re-alignment. Also, right or wrong, some don't have confidence in our administration.
+1
We lack self-confidence.
I've written many times before and I'll write it again. Please read it SLOWLY and try to understand.
Football is driving re-alignment. Those that are screwed are the schools with mediocre football. Think Memphis, Uconn and Cincy. The big power conferences do not want them and BE football is being gutted.
These are the schools that should worry.
All the BE teams except WV are still in the conference this year (including Cuse and Pitt). Next year we still have ND, Rutgers and Louisville in the conference. So we are ok the next two years.
After that we have options. 1) A Basketball-only conference, 2) trying to reload the BE (if possible), 3) joining a power conference as a non-basketball member. Since we are not trying to get a piece of the football pie, we will be ok. One of those three options will emerge. Be patient.
So relax
P.S. I would be worried if I was in the ACC. That conference could be on the verge of being gutted (Clemson/Fla State/Miami to the SEC?, Virginia/UNC to the B10?) And their answer to this is raiding the Big East. The ACC is becoming the Big East. Is that what ND signed up for?
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 28, 2012, 07:46:44 PM
Depaul might welcome re-alignment.
DePaul..... I had forgotten about them in all of this. What in the name of Joey Meyer are they saying about this on their boards?
Quote from: RushmoreAcademy on November 28, 2012, 08:28:40 PM
DePaul..... I had forgotten about them in all of this. What in the name of Joey Meyer are they saying about this on their boards?
"Good Christ, I hope the Horizon or the Summit League will take us!"
Thought the subject was about Todd Mayo.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on November 28, 2012, 09:16:30 PM
"Good Christ, I hope the Horizon or the Summit League will take us!"
Your nuts if you think that's what they are saying. After football it's all about money.... So which basketball only school can provide the best way into the Chicago tv market? Do you realize the revenue and the success / future possibilities the big ten network has provided? Why do you think they went after the biggest possible football / bball school in New Jersey? Don't think for a minute that whatever is happening behind the scenes doesn't involve talks about tv ratings and a possible tv channel.
Quote from: chren21 on November 29, 2012, 06:04:06 AM
Your nuts if you think that's what they are saying. After football it's all about money.... So which basketball only school can provide the best way into the Chicago tv market? Do you realize the revenue and the success / future possibilities the big ten network has provided? Why do you think they went after the biggest possible football / bball school in New Jersey? Don't think for a minute that whatever is happening behind the scenes doesn't involve talks about tv ratings and a possible tv channel.
"Big Whatever TV Network ... Everything But Football For The Discerning Viewer!"
Quote from: MU82 on November 29, 2012, 06:53:33 AM
"Big Whatever TV Network ... Everything But Football For The Discerning Viewer!"
Yeah, a channel with a bunch of commercials for Lexus, Tag Heuer, Le Board Tourisme Francais, etc... how tragic. Who is going to want to watch a channel that doesn't run an ad for 5-Hour Energy every 12 minutes?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on November 29, 2012, 04:57:35 AM
Thought the subject was about Todd Mayo.
You must be new here. Every thread is about Buzz leaving, Marquette's future in the MEAC unless we add football, or Crean.
Quote from: Bocephys on November 29, 2012, 09:57:18 AM
You must be new here. Every thread is about Buzz leaving, Marquette's future in the MEAC unless we add football, or Crean.
+1
But you forgot the 100 posts threads about the recruits we lose and the 10 post threads about the recruits we get.