whom is out there for the picking. If this is the final straw for Buzz firing his best friend, next year MU will need a new coach. The administration will have an extremely hard time
finding the next Buzz. It was hard when Al left, it will be the same with Buzz. Good luck LW then! MU is not an elite program, Top 20 for now, to get to the next level is incredibly
hard, even to stay where MU is right now is difficult. Lets hope what has happened here has not soured Buzz, time will tell. Does anybody remember the mid 80's and 90's, pretty
bad.
Dear Larry:
If Buzz leaves so to does.
1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.
Dont be a moron Larry!!!
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 26, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
Dear Larry:
If Buzz leaves so to does.
1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.
Dont be a moron Larry!!!
It's too late...
Not the best time to be messing with happy either with all this conference realignment stuff going on.
Oh well, all good things......
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 26, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
Dear Larry:
If Buzz leaves so to does.
1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.
I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.
Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here. If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here. And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?
Act like you have been there before.
Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable? While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch. Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference). While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.
I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.
If we land Nunn with Burton, McKay, and Wilson (assuming they are all admitted)... does anyone actually think Buzz would leave next summer over some disagreements with his Boss? He's a coach and above all else, I'm sure winning motivates him more than anything. Those sort of classes don't just land in your lap at SEC schools. This isn't TC leaving one year before the roster would be NIT quality (sorry Lazar). Buzz leaving would be the equivalent of TC signing a class better than the three amigos and leaving the summer they got here for some lateral move.
Monarch will land on his feet somewhere, Buzz has too many connections.
I'm with the crowd that says the penalty is ok and Buzz will deal with it. The newspaper articles annoy me, with their references to each past movement of the team, but I'm not sure that's in MU's control.
Quote from: muhoops1 on August 26, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable? While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch. Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference). While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.
I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.
I like Buzz and, barring something really bad happening, hope he stays "as long as the university will have him."
But I'm also completely OK with the administration taking stock of some of the negatives of the past two years and telling Buzz he needs to do all he can to squash that kind of stuff. If Buzz is who he says he is, he would agree. I can't imagine
that Buzz Williams is happy when his name and reputation are linked to arrests, assault claims, rules violations, suspensions, etc.
And if the suggestion that some "rough edges" need to be cleaned up is so offensive to Buzz that it causes him to leave, then MU will be fine without him.
Quote from: muhoops1 on August 26, 2012, 11:33:54 AM
Why doesn't anyone hold Buzz accountable? While MU has played good basketball too many other things have occurred under his watch. Buzz's holy roller image is starting to appear more like Jimmy Swaggert (must be 40+ for that reference). While not terrible infractions it is obvious the standards have changed and he needs to adjust or move on.
I love that MU is good, but if he is constantly at odds with the AD and Father P go get another multi million dollar contract.
What evidence is there that he's at odds with the AD and Fr. Pilarz? Has he stated it? Have they acknowledged it?
With the prominent status of Marquette's basketball program, it shouldn't be oppositional decision-making rather a collective decision-making. They may not agree on all points, but at least they're talking to each other while sitting at the same table.
I understand LW's position. Initially, I thought the one-game suspension of Buzz was overboard but perception is reality. And if sitting Buzz down for one game gives the perception that LW and BW are dealing with the issue, then so be it. Unfortunately, Monarch's lying combined with Taylor's departure and the other off-court shenanigans continues to blur the image of Marquette basketball.
It appears to me that Buzz loves being with his players and his players for the most part reciprocate. That player-coach relationship is what he really uses to get the most out of his clubs.
Winning solves a lot of things and definitely helps to clear the air of this stink.
Let's hope MU wins early and often. :)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.
Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here. If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here. And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?
Act like you have been there before.
It does not matter if they sign their NLI. The school will release them from the NLI cause thats what schools do (with the exception of Madison) and they will go somewhere else. Athletes do not commit to schools like they did in the 1960's they commit to coaches.
Can we just have a pinned thread that captures the following points as FACTS when anything happens to the MU program:
1) Golden-Domer AD is incompetent and secretly wants to ruin MU basketball since he is unaware of the importance of Basketball to MU
2) All local media have an anti-MU bias
3) Pilarz and and LW are at odds with Buzz and putting the screws to him in hopes he leaves
4) Buzz is going to leave at next possible viable for him open opportunity
5) MU basketball is going to suffer for the next 30 years once Buzz leaves
and 6) "don't mess with happy," as damn it, MU is winning and there is nothing going on in the program that requires any scrutiny that Buzz himself might think needs correcting
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here. If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here. And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?
Act like you have been there before.
So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.
Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here. If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here. And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?
Act like you have been there before.
For every Al McGuire and Buzz Williams there are Bob Dukiets and Mike Deane's. MU is on the doorstep of being elite again, has arguably the best coach under 40 and is on the verge of running him off. When you've worked as hard as Buzz has to get to this position, you aren't going to put up with the b.s. the current admin is imposing...when u could go elsewhere and be welcomed and appreciated by the administration. Other than the sex assault allegations...the rest of the "incidents" are chicken littles...overblown only by some overly self righteous types...and we need to act like we've been there before...no reason to knee jerk and go way overboard in "correcting" the "issues."
I would think if Buzz left it would be very difficult to keep the incoming recruits. Kids go to schools for many reasons and the coach is big part of that. Let's hope we do not need to worry about that after the upcoming season.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...
Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....
Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.
funny the same people now wanting LW's head on a stick also wanted Cottingham's head on a stick for bungling the head coaching hire with Buzz...
Quote from: Pakuni on August 26, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....
Quote from: Pakuni on August 26, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....
Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.
All I said was that assuming that we would retain our top recruits if Buzz left was a dumb assumption based on what we saw only a few years ago. Nothing more. Why quote my post if you're not interested in talking about what is in it?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 26, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
So you think it's likely we'd keep all 3 top recruits if Buzz left and we hired a virtually unknown assistant who would have been at MU for all of 1 year? Is that because that's what happened the last time MU followed that script? Wait...
Those recruits weren't from Milwaukee...which is a big reason why this bunch committed to Marquette in the first place.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 01:17:56 PM
Those recruits weren't from Milwaukee...which is a big reason why this bunch committed to Marquette in the first place.
Good point, though I think the biggest reason was Buzz. I'd be willing to put my money where my mouth is - no Buzz, no 3 amigos part 2.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 11:27:08 AM
I also heard that if Buzz leaves, the earth will open and swallow up the University too.
Seriously, you guys act like MU never did anything before Buzz got here. If Wilson, Burton and MaKay sign their NLIs, they will likely be here. And what if they simply promote a guy like Chew?
Act like you have been there before.
Been there before. Didn't like it. Don't want to repeat the experience.
Quote from: madtownwarrior on August 26, 2012, 12:50:47 PM
funny the same people now wanting LW's head on a stick also wanted Cottingham's head on a stick for bungling the head coaching hire with Buzz...
Come on...Cottingham didn't hire Buzz. Strong did, on the recommendation of the horse's ass sexter who preceded him.
I think this is a storm that will blow over, except if there are more problems after this. My expectations are that Buzz will be here for several more years. However, if he did leave after this year I would expect most of 2013's class to request to be released. That should be granted as long as they do not follow Buzz to a different school. Besides that none of them will sign in November unless Buzz assures them he will be here. A decommitment would be a bad sign.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 26, 2012, 12:45:54 PM
Losing MU's top recruits after Crean left was ruination for the program.
Oh, wait ....
Some of you guys act like Buzz Williams is uniquely qualified to succeed at MU. Tom Crean did very well at MU. Kevin O'Neill - with far more disadvantages than either Crean or Buzz faced - built a program that I believe would have gone to multiple Sweet 16s and perhaps beyond had he stayed.
I very much want Buzz to stay, but if he leaves there are other quality coaches out there who also can succeed here.
You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been. Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy. I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.
Quote from: Ners on August 26, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been. Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy. I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.
Where are we getting any evidence at all that Buzz is (a) unhappy or (b) that the administration is trying to make him miserable?
While we're making stuff up, lets add this:
- Buzz suggested his own suspension to prove to the team no one is above the law
- Buzz, after seeing the evidence, was given the choice to suspend Monarch, but chose to release him
- Buzz, agreeing with the administration that the bad publicity is not helping the program, requested an operational change, placing underclassmen in a different dorm and raising the bar on GPA.
After all, at least my made-up items match what many of think about Buzz. He's a high moral caliber guy. That doesn't make him perfect. That doesn't make him value life lessons over winning. But it certainly shouldn't make him pissed that he's being held to a standard (and, honestly, a pretty low one at that).
Quote from: Ners on August 26, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been. Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy. I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.
My point is two of Buzz's three predecessors had quite a bit of success at MU and even the other guy - despite preferring taverns to high school gyms - managed four 20-win seasons.
Hence, the wails that Marquette somehow is doomed to Seton Hall/St. Louis status if Buzz leaves doesn't exactly ring true. I want Buzz to stay. If he
chooses to leave, Marquette will somehow manage to live on. All of the financial and structural advantages the program has today won't vanish with Buzz, and will be enough to attract another quality coach.
Why is Buzz leaving? His assistant coach broke NCAA rules and lied about it. The NCAA is investigating.
If the Administration did not take measures to punish, the NCAA would have and it would have been much worse.
If Buzz doesn't like it, he should tell assistants to follow the rules and not lie.
Quote from: Ners on August 26, 2012, 03:24:25 PM
You lament Kevin O'Neill leaving...and what could have been. Think that is really all those of us in the Buzz camp are concerned about - that we have a rising star coach once again - and he could leave..and it seems the admin isnt exactly helping to keep Buzz happy. I'd rather not have to deal with a crap shoot hire and the unknown versus keeping a proven winner.
I like Buzz. I hope he stays.
But, it isn't the admin.'s job to "keep Buzz happy". Simple as that.
Good working relationship? Honesty? Trust? Yes, MU and Buzz will need that to have success. But, the admin. isn't in the business of appeasing the head coach, that is clear.
Quote from: Guns n Ammo on August 26, 2012, 08:22:23 PM
I like Buzz. I hope he stays.
But, it isn't the admin.'s job to "keep Buzz happy". Simple as that.
Good working relationship? Honesty? Trust? Yes, MU and Buzz will need that to have success. But, the admin. isn't in the business of appeasing the head coach, that is clear.
The admin pays him $2 mil, and gives him the resources to be a Top 10 program. If he can't handle an admin who wants to follow the the rules. f him. And from my vantage point based on what he has done to date, f him.
What a whiner. He complains about UNO not supporting the program and leaves. Now he has an admin that pays him $2 mil and is committed to being a Top program through actions and words, but mandates that he and his assistants (one of whom is an underqualified poker buddy) follow the rules and recruit marginally academic students, and stop relying on JUCO's and he threatens to leave.
Quote from: Knight Commission on August 26, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
What a whiner. He complains about UNO not supporting the program and leaves. Now he has an admin that pays him $2 mil and is committed to being a Top program through actions and words, but mandates that he and his assistants (one of whom is an underqualified poker buddy) follow the rules, and stop relying on JUCO's and he threatens to leave.
This is such a ridiculously dangerous post. You can provide no evidence that he is whining. You say that they were told to stop relying on JUCOs, but Buzz himself said that reliance on JUCOs was only temporary....and he just got another commit from one this summer. You can also provide no evidence that he threatened to leave.
Terrible.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 26, 2012, 08:56:37 PM
This is such a ridiculously dangerous post. You can provide no evidence that he is whining. You say that they were told to stop relying on JUCOs, but Buzz himself said that reliance on JUCOs was only temporary....and he just got another commit from one this summer. You can also provide no evidence that he threatened to leave.
Terrible.
You know it when you see it.
Quote from: Knight Commission on August 26, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
The admin pays him $2 mil, and gives him the resources to be a Top 10 program. If he can't handle an admin who wants to follow the the rules. f him. And from my vantage point based on what he has done to date, f him.
What a whiner. He complains about UNO not supporting the program and leaves. Now he has an admin that pays him $2 mil and is committed to being a Top program through actions and words, but mandates that he and his assistants (one of whom is an underqualified poker buddy) follow the rules and recruit marginally academic students, and stop relying on JUCO's and he threatens to leave.
what the hell are you talking about?!?!
Quote from: Knight Commission on August 26, 2012, 09:01:23 PM
You know it when you see it.
I don't see anything but a bunch of assumptions.
Agreed it is all assumption no one knows what is going on behind closed doors. What I do know is that Buzz is an employee and if his boss establishes ground rules he needs to follow them or get a new job.
As an employee I understand what my boss will tolerate and what he won't. Pretty simple relationship. If Buzz thinks he's bigger than MU with 2 Sweet 16 appearances than we have all allowed the bar to be dropped significantly. That's not exactly John Wooden dynasty stuff. From 30,000 ft it appearS the SS Buzz isn't such a tight ship. Not sure he practices what he preaches. If all is true his words ring very hallow to me...and I was a Frosh when Dukier coached.
Quote from: muhoops1 on August 26, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
Agreed it is all assumption no one knows what is going on behind closed doors. What I do know is that Buzz is an employee and if his boss establishes ground rules he needs to follow them or get a new job.
As an employee I understand what my boss will tolerate and what he won't. Pretty simple relationship. If Buzz thinks he's bigger than MU with 2 Sweet 16 appearances than we have all allowed the bar to be dropped significantly. That's not exactly John Wooden dynasty stuff. From 30,000 ft it appearS the SS Buzz isn't such a tight ship. Not sure he practices what he preaches. If all is true his words ring very hallow to me...and I was a Frosh when Dukier coached.
Well, in Buzz's defense, it's not like everything that has occurred is exactly his fault.
He's a very good coach, but he's not without his warts. We've seen some of them now. Just means he isn't perfect.
If he continues to win, and keep MU off the front page, I think everything is cool. (at least for me).
So, back to the question in this thread. If Buzz does leave relatively soon (say in next 3 years), who should/can be targeted?
Quote from: Aughnanure on August 27, 2012, 01:45:55 PM
So, back to the question in this thread. If Buzz does leave relatively soon (say in next 3 years), who should/can be targeted?
The ghost of Rick Majerus.
Quote from: muhoops1 on August 26, 2012, 10:22:10 PM
Agreed it is all assumption no one knows what is going on behind closed doors. What I do know is that Buzz is an employee and if his boss establishes ground rules he needs to follow them or get a new job.
As an employee I understand what my boss will tolerate and what he won't. Pretty simple relationship. If Buzz thinks he's bigger than MU with 2 Sweet 16 appearances than we have all allowed the bar to be dropped significantly. That's not exactly John Wooden dynasty stuff. From 30,000 ft it appearS the SS Buzz isn't such a tight ship. Not sure he practices what he preaches. If all is true his words ring very hallow to me...and I was a Frosh when Dukier coached.
Buzz is a "player's coach." Kids love to play for him because he gives them independence and the freedom to express themselves (as lame as that sounds) and to have fun. However, player's coaches can also get into trouble when the players take advantage of that. See the 2011 Boston Red Sox, for example.
Quote from: Knight Commission on August 26, 2012, 08:50:12 PM
The admin pays him $2 mil, and gives him the resources to be a Top 10 program. If he can't handle an admin who wants to follow the the rules. f him. And from my vantage point based on what he has done to date, f him.
What a whiner. He complains about UNO not supporting the program and leaves. Now he has an admin that pays him $2 mil and is committed to being a Top program through actions and words, but mandates that he and his assistants (one of whom is an underqualified poker buddy) follow the rules and recruit marginally academic students, and stop relying on JUCO's and he threatens to leave.
You would want a coach with a top 10 recruiting class, two straight Regionals to leave??? What are you mad??????
Quote from: PTM on August 27, 2012, 01:54:48 PM
The ghost of Rick Majerus.
Lets not put dirt on him before he passes away not cool man.
I wish Rick a speedy recovery!!!
"Players' coach," "freedom," "independence," can all be a ticket to a major embarassment or worse with "institutional control" lacking....... Underage drinking in a public establishment with "of age" upperclassman present? Where's the leadership of the seniors? Out, especially late in the season with playoffs AND school looming???? No directives from the coach or staff or were the warnings ignored? Lack of leadership or simply lack of maturity? Certainly lack of "institutional control." Involvement in a fight/altercation at or near a bar by underclassman... More freedom and independence but certain lack of leadership and guidance.
Serious allegations of an alleged sexual incident involving "athletes" ( basketball players). allegations, mind you, but still not good stuff....
Some trouble has been brewing for a while and needs to be addressed immediately before anyone gets hurt....... And worse happens.
Players need to be educated on the phrases of "guilt by association," "watching your back," "responsibility for your own actions," and "don't talk to strangers!!"
Hence the suspension I'll bet...... Why would Buzz leave? Wouldn't be money for sure. If he keeps his nose clean he can wind up owning the campus and maybe the town. He might leave, only if he blows it himself by bad judgement, poor decisions and lack of "institutional control."
If Buzz left ...
We'd have to find something else to go totally batpoop about. And you know what? We would.
Quote from: axaguy on August 27, 2012, 04:09:17 PM
"Players' coach," "freedom," "independence," can all be a ticket to a major embarassment or worse with "institutional control" lacking....... Underage drinking in a public establishment with "of age" upperclassman present? Where's the leadership of the seniors? Out, especially late in the season with playoffs AND school looming???? No directives from the coach or staff or were the warnings ignored? Lack of leadership or simply lack of maturity? Certainly lack of "institutional control." Involvement in a fight/altercation at or near a bar by underclassman... More freedom and independence but certain lack of leadership and guidance.
Serious allegations of an alleged sexual incident involving "athletes" ( basketball players). allegations, mind you, but still not good stuff....
Some trouble has been brewing for a while and needs to be addressed immediately before anyone gets hurt....... And worse happens.
Players need to be educated on the phrases of "guilt by association," "watching your back," "responsibility for your own actions," and "don't talk to strangers!!"
Hence the suspension I'll bet...... Why would Buzz leave? Wouldn't be money for sure. If he keeps his nose clean he can wind up owning the campus and maybe the town. He might leave, only if he blows it himself by bad judgement, poor decisions and lack of "institutional control."
Get a clue. Virtually all of MU's other sport athletes drink on campus and off campus many of whom are underage....as do major sport college athletes at campuses all over the country. Guess what, 18-22 year olds get into fights on occasion - and the basketball team with probably far less frequency than the general student body. It happened during the Crean years with both Jerel and Dominic.
And guess what...Buzz does keep his nose clean...no reports of him out getting wasted, cursing up a storm, cheating on his wife, treating his assistants, basketball operations staff, managers etc., like complete crap...a la Kevin O'Neill, Mike Deane, Tom Crean. A coach can only do so much with regard to the conduct of his players - by and large the MU players have been very well behaved...and keep in mind the sex assault were allegations that didn't have enough merit to warrant charges...but some here want to go by guilty until proven innocent. MU had the same policy in place for sex assault allegations for more than a decade....this wasn't a Buzz Williams policy...
This whole thing is disgusting to me right now. I'm just sick of it, and it's becoming very, very hard to read these boards. What is wrong with us that we are attacking ourselves like this? Mountains out of molehills? Are you freaking kidding me? We're making freaking Wormwood out of molehills. And it's not just us idiot posters online, it's Marquette as well.
Okay, fine, Monarch had to go. Not because of what he did, because let's be honest, every single high-major school is doing that and worse on a regular basis. Yes, that includes the holier-than-Jesus'-own-prick Vadgers. But when you lie about something small consistently to management, you're going to get the axe. Had to happen. But to suddenly extrapolate this to a complete implosion of the program? Buzz is gone, LW hates him and is intent on razing the program, we'll be lucky to retain/add any of these top-notch Milwaukee targets, guys were underage drinking at 720 (despite evidence that NONE of them were drinking underage), the fight has reached Bill Michaels' levels...DO YOU PEOPLE HEAR YOURSELVES?
You know what? He was right, muguru was absolutely, 1000% right. This is the Hiroshima he predicted. All the people that decried him have been proven morons, because this utter crapstorm we are having at each other is exactly, to the freaking tee, what he was afraid of. We had all the Mayo drama, all the fallout from infractions and incidents, we've seen our entire assistant staff turn over in less than six months, and now we are turning what is essentially a very small infraction into the end of the program. Hiroshima? Hell, that barely scratches the surface. This site has turned into End of Days, Fifth Element, Revelation type crap.
The season can't start soon enough, if for no other reason than to give us something worthwhile to talk about. Hiroshima? Understatement of the year. And anyone who disagreed, yeah, you've been proven wrong, because it's freaking here.
Oh...and one more thing...
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 22, 2012, 06:00:37 PM
Has enough time now passed since the school year to officially proclaim all the talk of Hiroshima was wrong?
NO!!! Largely because of the stuff you are posting all over the site right now. Not only is Hiroshima not wrong, YOU are the reason it's completely right.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2012, 07:01:04 PM
This whole thing is disgusting to me right now. I'm just sick of it, and it's becoming very, very hard to read these boards. What is wrong with us that we are attacking ourselves like this? Mountains out of molehills? Are you freaking kidding me? We're making freaking Wormwood out of molehills. And it's not just us idiot posters online, it's Marquette as well.
Okay, fine, Monarch had to go. Not because of what he did, because let's be honest, every single high-major school is doing that and worse on a regular basis. Yes, that includes the holier-than-Jesus'-own-prick Vadgers. But when you lie about something small consistently to management, you're going to get the axe. Had to happen. But to suddenly extrapolate this to a complete implosion of the program? Buzz is gone, LW hates him and is intent on razing the program, we'll be lucky to retain/add any of these top-notch Milwaukee targets, guys were underage drinking at 720 (despite evidence that NONE of them were drinking underage), the fight has reached Bill Michaels' levels...DO YOU PEOPLE HEAR YOURSELVES?
You know what? He was right, muguru was absolutely, 1000% right. This is the Hiroshima he predicted. All the people that decried him have been proven morons, because this utter crapstorm we are having at each other is exactly, to the freaking tee, what he was afraid of. We had all the Mayo drama, all the fallout from infractions and incidents, we've seen our entire assistant staff turn over in less than six months, and now we are turning what is essentially a very small infraction into the end of the program. Hiroshima? Hell, that barely scratches the surface. This site has turned into End of Days, Fifth Element, Revelation type crap.
The season can't start soon enough, if for no other reason than to give us something worthwhile to talk about. Hiroshima? Understatement of the year. And anyone who disagreed, yeah, you've been proven wrong, because it's freaking here.
Quoting the whole thing so people read it twice.
The arm-chair psychologists have ruined this board with their nonsense drama.
Utile et Dulce
Would be awesome if you are correct. Aside from stating posters are wrong do you have info to share on the issue. Respect that you think I live on fantasy island and no problem with that. Would love to be brought back to reality...please give me hand and give factual info on your point.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 26, 2012, 10:07:32 AM
Dear Larry:
If Buzz leaves so to does.
1. Duane Wilson
2. Deontae Burton
3. McKay
4. Any possibility of getting Diamond Stone.
Dont be a moron Larry!!!
Absolutely Larry - Please let Buzz, his staff and players do whatever they want. We have to win!!!!!!
Quote from: Goose on August 27, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
Utile et Dulce
Would be awesome if you are correct. Aside from stating posters are wrong do you have info to share on the issue. Respect that you think I live on fantasy island and no problem with that. Would love to be brought back to reality...please give me hand and give factual info on your point.
Clearly I don't have any information. If I did, I'd confirm or beat down these ruminations once and for all.
I'm not saying anyone is wrong. I'm saying no one here knows, yet a good number are yammering on with their opinion, based on tiny bits of incomplete information, as if it's an accepted truth.
It's incredibly easy to take bits and pieces of information and twist it to fit just about any narrative you'd like. And I get it: it's fun to consider the what ifs. I'm just tired of reading posts, thinking something big happened, only to find its the same tired story from the same posters repeated again and again.
But, to your point, I've become as bad as the folks I'm railing against. Probably time to take a break from the 'scoop :)
Quote from: Goose on August 27, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
Utile et Dulce
Would be awesome if you are correct. Aside from stating posters are wrong do you have info to share on the issue. Respect that you think I live on fantasy island and no problem with that. Would love to be brought back to reality...please give me hand and give factual info on your point.
You first. You are one of the primary reasons this place went on vacation to la-la land this summer.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2012, 07:05:01 PM
Oh...and one more thing...
NO!!! Largely because of the stuff you are posting all over the site right now. Not only is Hiroshima not wrong, YOU are the reason it's completely right.
+1
AtlWarrior
I stated early on that I have heard from credible sources that LW and Buzz played chicken over SMU and agreed that his departure a year from then made better sense. You can say I am king of the tinfoil crowd and would not offend me. All I know since WVU game suspensions I have stated Fr. P does not like Buzz's style. Time will tell if my credible sources were/are right or not.
Really not going to try and defend myself, but will say I have gone out on a limb with my posts and have held steady. Either I am a moron or a guy who might have received info from smart guys. Will add that my argument is usually deeper than just saying other posters are wrong.
Quote from: Goose on August 27, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
AtlWarrior
I stated early on that I have heard from credible sources that LW and Buzz played chicken over SMU and agreed that his departure a year from then made better sense. You can say I am king of the tinfoil crowd and would not offend me. All I know since WVU game suspensions I have stated Fr. P does not like Buzz's style. Time will tell if my credible sources were/are right or not.
Really not going to try and defend myself, but will say I have gone out on a limb with my posts and have held steady. Either I am a moron or a guy who might have received info from smart guys. Will add that my argument is usually deeper than just saying other posters are wrong.
You are remarkably consistent, I will absolutely agree with that. ;D
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 27, 2012, 07:01:04 PM
This whole thing is disgusting to me right now. I'm just sick of it, and it's becoming very, very hard to read these boards. What is wrong with us that we are attacking ourselves like this? Mountains out of molehills? Are you freaking kidding me? We're making freaking Wormwood out of molehills. And it's not just us idiot posters online, it's Marquette as well.
Okay, fine, Monarch had to go. Not because of what he did, because let's be honest, every single high-major school is doing that and worse on a regular basis. Yes, that includes the holier-than-Jesus'-own-prick Vadgers. But when you lie about something small consistently to management, you're going to get the axe. Had to happen. But to suddenly extrapolate this to a complete implosion of the program? Buzz is gone, LW hates him and is intent on razing the program, we'll be lucky to retain/add any of these top-notch Milwaukee targets, guys were underage drinking at 720 (despite evidence that NONE of them were drinking underage), the fight has reached Bill Michaels' levels...DO YOU PEOPLE HEAR YOURSELVES?
You know what? He was right, muguru was absolutely, 1000% right. This is the Hiroshima he predicted. All the people that decried him have been proven morons, because this utter crapstorm we are having at each other is exactly, to the freaking tee, what he was afraid of. We had all the Mayo drama, all the fallout from infractions and incidents, we've seen our entire assistant staff turn over in less than six months, and now we are turning what is essentially a very small infraction into the end of the program. Hiroshima? Hell, that barely scratches the surface. This site has turned into End of Days, Fifth Element, Revelation type crap.
The season can't start soon enough, if for no other reason than to give us something worthwhile to talk about. Hiroshima? Understatement of the year. And anyone who disagreed, yeah, you've been proven wrong, because it's freaking here.
I think i am starting to join your camp over this issue. Cant wait to laugh it off when we make the final 4 in two years.
Quote from: Goose on August 27, 2012, 08:04:14 PM
I stated early on that I have heard from credible sources that LW and Buzz played chicken over SMU and agreed that his departure a year from then made better sense.
Oh lord, so now they hate each other, but Buzz decided to be a nice guy and not leave for an undisclosed location until next year? We need some new topics. Geeze.
Rocky
Just trying to keep things lively until you can get your handbag threads up later tonight. Over to you!!!!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 27, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
Oh lord, so now they hate each other, but Buzz decided to be a nice guy and not leave for an undisclosed location until next year? We need some new topics. Geeze.
Rocky, all of these Moarch fired, Buzz suspended threads are sounding the same. Condense into one thread? Might have a shot at the "everlasting craptastical" record!
Okay lets summarize
1. LW and Buzz hate each other Hatfield and McCoy Style
2. Buzz is snake oil salesman
3.LW is a pompous pretty boy
4.Once Hiroshima did not pan out Goose is banking on his "They decided to continue this charade for one more year" theory
5.One of the posters wants us to recruit only >3.5 Students who are members of the National Honor Society and the Local Optimist Club
6. Neers and Myself just want us to recruit whoever and let them win cause that is pretty important in the grand scheme of things.
7. NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT THE "F" IS GOING ON. With the exception of GOOSE who thinks that this beautiful fined tune Butterfly of a program is going to crawl into a turd cocoon and in 2 weeks will push it's way out and become Santa Clara.
Quote from: KenoshaWarrior on August 27, 2012, 09:16:23 PM
Okay lets summarize
6. Neers and Myself Everybody just want us to recruit whoever and let them play by the rules and win cause that is pretty important in the grand scheme of things.
Fixed for you.
I have hit "Mark All Messages As Read" more times this summer than usual.
Quote from: Goose on August 27, 2012, 07:43:45 PM
Utile et Dulce
Would be awesome if you are correct. Aside from stating posters are wrong do you have info to share on the issue. Respect that you think I live on fantasy island and no problem with that. Would love to be brought back to reality...please give me hand and give factual info on your point.
I really don't think it's a case of either side providing facts or hard information. I think it's looking at the list of what has actually happened and realizing nothing here is cataclysmic.
Apt. 720: A few Marquette players go out to a bar and a fight occurs. Based on all the actual police reports that came out, MU players were not drinking underage (or they'd have been ticketed for that and not just being there) and there wasn't some raucous brawl, or this wouldn't just be rumors from Bill Michaels.
Monarch's Swag: Let's be honest, a t-shirt and a ride home? Even if it's to Chicago, it's not that big a deal. Against the rules, but hardly a offense worth firing over. How often do you think this or something similar happens in high-major recruiting? I would guess hundreds, if not thousands of times per year. It's that he lied about it that really matters.
Buzz's Suspension: It's one game, people. No more than Junior or DJO got in December, and less than the guys got in February at WVU. It shows that Buzz is not bigger than the rules he lays down. Far from the end of the world. Though it would be nice to kick off our Big East slate with a home game against DePaul ;D
SMU: Come on, people, it's SMU. If Buzz leaves at some point, he leaves, but he's going to leave for a program that's at least no more than a small step down. He's not going to jump into the Grand Canyon.
TJ Taylor: He's a freaking 20-year-old kid! He changed his mind! He couldn't handle being away from home/family/girlfriend/Rudy's BBQ. It'd be nice to have TJ, but it's not like Tyshawn, Nick Williams, and Mbakwe are all suddenly headed elsewhere. A likely 7th or 8th man left. Get over it.
Benford Leaving: He left for a freaking head coaching gig. Any HC gig is a significant step up from being an assistant. And taking Lundy? That happens all the time. Lundy also made a significant step up. That's why you work as an assistant, so you can have that opportunity. I honestly am in shock this even got a mention in all this.
Vander Troubles: This shows how bad this whole situation is. For the most part, Van has kept his nose clean for the past year compared to all the stuff we were hearing his freshman year. Yes, a one-half suspension...it's not like he was caught snorting coke off a stripper's boobs at Silk. Wait...I shouldn't have said that, I probably just gave ButchBadger and company fuel for their next "TOTALLY TRUE MARQUETTE RUMOR!1!!"
Newbill: Yawn. Over it.
We are taking every little incident of the past 4 years and all channeling it into one explosion of insanity. We are turning this board into Hiroshima. Honestly, the mods should see if the URL "muhiroshima.com" is available, it'd certainly be more accurate than "muscoop" is right now. Nothing above strikes me as the type of stuff that would have Buzz on his way out the door. And if he does leave, guess what, Marquette basketball will survive, the sun will rise, and most of us will still be season ticket holders with games to attend and enjoy.
This is not the end of the world.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
I really don't think it's a case of either side providing facts or hard information. I think it's looking at the list of what has actually happened and realizing nothing here is cataclysmic.
Apt. 720: A few Marquette players go out to a bar and a fight occurs. Based on all the actual police reports that came out, MU players were not drinking underage (or they'd have been ticketed for that and not just being there) and there wasn't some raucous brawl, or this wouldn't just be rumors from Bill Michaels.
Monarch's Swag: Let's be honest, a t-shirt and a ride home? Even if it's to Chicago, it's not that big a deal. Against the rules, but hardly a offense worth firing over. How often do you think this or something similar happens in high-major recruiting? I would guess hundreds, if not thousands of times per year. It's that he lied about it that really matters.
Buzz's Suspension: It's one game, people. No more than Junior or DJO got in December, and less than the guys got in February at WVU. It shows that Buzz is not bigger than the rules he lays down. Far from the end of the world. Though it would be nice to kick off our Big East slate with a home game against DePaul ;D
SMU: Come on, people, it's SMU. If Buzz leaves at some point, he leaves, but he's going to leave for a program that's at least no more than a small step down. He's not going to jump into the Grand Canyon.
TJ Taylor: He's a freaking 20-year-old kid! He changed his mind! He couldn't handle being away from home/family/girlfriend/Rudy's BBQ. It'd be nice to have TJ, but it's not like Tyshawn, Nick Williams, and Mbakwe are all suddenly headed elsewhere. A likely 7th or 8th man left. Get over it.
Benford Leaving: He left for a freaking head coaching gig. Any HC gig is a significant step up from being an assistant. And taking Lundy? That happens all the time. Lundy also made a significant step up. That's why you work as an assistant, so you can have that opportunity. I honestly am in shock this even got a mention in all this.
Vander Troubles: This shows how bad this whole situation is. For the most part, Van has kept his nose clean for the past year compared to all the stuff we were hearing his freshman year. Yes, a one-half suspension...it's not like he was caught snorting coke off a stripper's boobs at Silk. Wait...I shouldn't have said that, I probably just gave ButchBadger and company fuel for their next "TOTALLY TRUE MARQUETTE RUMOR!1!!"
Newbill: Yawn. Over it.
We are taking every little incident of the past 4 years and all channeling it into one explosion of insanity. We are turning this board into Hiroshima. Honestly, the mods should see if the URL "muhiroshima.com" is available, it'd certainly be more accurate than "muscoop" is right now. Nothing above strikes me as the type of stuff that would have Buzz on his way out the door. And if he does leave, guess what, Marquette basketball will survive, the sun will rise, and most of us will still be season ticket holders with games to attend and enjoy.
This is not the end of the world.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
I really don't think it's a case of either side providing facts or hard information. I think it's looking at the list of what has actually happened and realizing nothing here is cataclysmic.
Apt. 720: A few Marquette players go out to a bar and a fight occurs. Based on all the actual police reports that came out, MU players were not drinking underage (or they'd have been ticketed for that and not just being there) and there wasn't some raucous brawl, or this wouldn't just be rumors from Bill Michaels.
Monarch's Swag: Let's be honest, a t-shirt and a ride home? Even if it's to Chicago, it's not that big a deal. Against the rules, but hardly a offense worth firing over. How often do you think this or something similar happens in high-major recruiting? I would guess hundreds, if not thousands of times per year. It's that he lied about it that really matters.
Buzz's Suspension: It's one game, people. No more than Junior or DJO got in December, and less than the guys got in February at WVU. It shows that Buzz is not bigger than the rules he lays down. Far from the end of the world. Though it would be nice to kick off our Big East slate with a home game against DePaul ;D
SMU: Come on, people, it's SMU. If Buzz leaves at some point, he leaves, but he's going to leave for a program that's at least no more than a small step down. He's not going to jump into the Grand Canyon.
TJ Taylor: He's a freaking 20-year-old kid! He changed his mind! He couldn't handle being away from home/family/girlfriend/Rudy's BBQ. It'd be nice to have TJ, but it's not like Tyshawn, Nick Williams, and Mbakwe are all suddenly headed elsewhere. A likely 7th or 8th man left. Get over it.
Benford Leaving: He left for a freaking head coaching gig. Any HC gig is a significant step up from being an assistant. And taking Lundy? That happens all the time. Lundy also made a significant step up. That's why you work as an assistant, so you can have that opportunity. I honestly am in shock this even got a mention in all this.
Vander Troubles: This shows how bad this whole situation is. For the most part, Van has kept his nose clean for the past year compared to all the stuff we were hearing his freshman year. Yes, a one-half suspension...it's not like he was caught snorting coke off a stripper's boobs at Silk. Wait...I shouldn't have said that, I probably just gave ButchBadger and company fuel for their next "TOTALLY TRUE MARQUETTE RUMOR!1!!"
Newbill: Yawn. Over it.
We are taking every little incident of the past 4 years and all channeling it into one explosion of insanity. We are turning this board into Hiroshima. Honestly, the mods should see if the URL "muhiroshima.com" is available, it'd certainly be more accurate than "muscoop" is right now. Nothing above strikes me as the type of stuff that would have Buzz on his way out the door. And if he does leave, guess what, Marquette basketball will survive, the sun will rise, and most of us will still be season ticket holders with games to attend and enjoy.
This is not the end of the world.
Count me in on the Brew City Camp
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 28, 2012, 08:14:12 AM
I really don't think it's a case of either side providing facts or hard information. I think it's looking at the list of what has actually happened and realizing nothing here is cataclysmic.
Apt. 720: A few Marquette players go out to a bar and a fight occurs. Based on all the actual police reports that came out, MU players were not drinking underage (or they'd have been ticketed for that and not just being there) and there wasn't some raucous brawl, or this wouldn't just be rumors from Bill Michaels.
Monarch's Swag: Let's be honest, a t-shirt and a ride home? Even if it's to Chicago, it's not that big a deal. Against the rules, but hardly a offense worth firing over. How often do you think this or something similar happens in high-major recruiting? I would guess hundreds, if not thousands of times per year. It's that he lied about it that really matters.
Buzz's Suspension: It's one game, people. No more than Junior or DJO got in December, and less than the guys got in February at WVU. It shows that Buzz is not bigger than the rules he lays down. Far from the end of the world. Though it would be nice to kick off our Big East slate with a home game against DePaul ;D
SMU: Come on, people, it's SMU. If Buzz leaves at some point, he leaves, but he's going to leave for a program that's at least no more than a small step down. He's not going to jump into the Grand Canyon.
TJ Taylor: He's a freaking 20-year-old kid! He changed his mind! He couldn't handle being away from home/family/girlfriend/Rudy's BBQ. It'd be nice to have TJ, but it's not like Tyshawn, Nick Williams, and Mbakwe are all suddenly headed elsewhere. A likely 7th or 8th man left. Get over it.
Benford Leaving: He left for a freaking head coaching gig. Any HC gig is a significant step up from being an assistant. And taking Lundy? That happens all the time. Lundy also made a significant step up. That's why you work as an assistant, so you can have that opportunity. I honestly am in shock this even got a mention in all this.
Vander Troubles: This shows how bad this whole situation is. For the most part, Van has kept his nose clean for the past year compared to all the stuff we were hearing his freshman year. Yes, a one-half suspension...it's not like he was caught snorting coke off a stripper's boobs at Silk. Wait...I shouldn't have said that, I probably just gave ButchBadger and company fuel for their next "TOTALLY TRUE MARQUETTE RUMOR!1!!"
Newbill: Yawn. Over it.
We are taking every little incident of the past 4 years and all channeling it into one explosion of insanity. We are turning this board into Hiroshima. Honestly, the mods should see if the URL "muhiroshima.com" is available, it'd certainly be more accurate than "muscoop" is right now. Nothing above strikes me as the type of stuff that would have Buzz on his way out the door. And if he does leave, guess what, Marquette basketball will survive, the sun will rise, and most of us will still be season ticket holders with games to attend and enjoy.
This is not the end of the world.
Count me in also, was about to take a break from the board until Madness but this may prevent that from happening for the time being