...why in the hell would Lockett commit to a program whose roster was on verge of gutting? Outside of proximity to his mom, it seems to me that he wants win - could he do so with a diminished roster?
maybe he has a preference to join a "SLU-like" team...
Quote from: siliconwarrior on May 13, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
...why in the hell would Lockett commit to a program whose roster was on verge of gutting? Outside of proximity to his mom, it seems to me that he wants win - could he do so with a diminished roster?
Durley and Jamil Jones meant that much?
Quote from: siliconwarrior on May 13, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
...why in the hell would Lockett commit to a program whose roster was on verge of gutting? Outside of proximity to his mom, it seems to me that he wants win - could he do so with a diminished roster?
Bacause MU offers a Masters Degree in a field that ASU doesnt offer
Quote from: siliconwarrior on May 13, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
...why in the hell would Lockett commit to a program whose roster was on verge of gutting? Outside of proximity to his mom, it seems to me that he wants win - could he do so with a diminished roster?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 13, 2012, 06:08:30 PM
Bacause MU offers a Masters Degree in a field that ASU doesnt offer
A) What Canadian Dimes said.
B) Because he thinks he has a better chance to win at MU then at Iowa State which will be rebuilding again with transfers. It's one thing to add transfers to fill out your roster, its another to make them the corner of your recruiting strategy.
C) No Royce White at Iowa State this year.
D) No space at the Inn at the University of Minnesota.
E) When Bo heard that Lockett averaged 13 points last year, he said that Lockett must have been a ball hog.
Quote from: siliconwarrior on May 13, 2012, 12:35:54 PM
...why in the hell would Lockett commit to a program whose roster was on verge of gutting? Outside of proximity to his mom, it seems to me that he wants win - could he do so with a diminished roster?
Maybe because he wants to be coached by someone who has two consecutive first round picks in a row. Because he coached a juco who was BE POY. Because his new coach has been a sweet 16 coach two years in a row. Maybe because he wants to go to a school that is a storied bball school. Maybe because he sees a team with a ton of potential that could go a long ways with his senior+ leadership. Maybe because he sees Buzz as someone who can bring out the best in him. Maybe because.....
No offense, but your post makes you sound like a badger troll.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 13, 2012, 06:15:53 PM
E) When Bo heard that Lockett averaged 13 points last year, he said that Lockett must have been a ball hog.
Bo called shenanigans because 13 points is almost as much as UW scores in a game.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 13, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
No offense, but your post makes you sound like a badger troll.
Thanks for the answer - no offense taken. No troll. Based on the information available, the armageddon scenario lacks a spot in logic. Worn MU blue to the Field House/Kohl more times than I can count. Marquette, College of Arts and Sciences, 1992.
Quote from: siliconwarrior on May 13, 2012, 10:10:56 PM
Thanks for the answer - no offense taken. No troll. Based on the information available, the armageddon scenario lacks a spot in logic. Worn MU blue to the Field House/Kohl more times than I can count. Marquette, College of Arts and Sciences, 1992.
I fall into the camp that the Hiroshima theory is overblown. If we lose a player due to grades, so be it. We (as MU alum) managed to make it to graduation. Athletes should be held to the same standard too for their gpa.
The paranoia about hiroshima is very understandable. Apparently, Buzz was very close to leaving, due to head butting with Lawrence, the domer. When this board got wind of this, MUScoop morphed/melted down into a 120 page thread on Buzz's potential departure (only 30 pages of it were diverted to walleye fishing). My point is that the Buzz to SMU posts fueled overblown speculation on what should be expected transfers at the end of a season.
Maybe the players that MU might lose play his position, which gives him more playing time. He would not come to MU, if he did not believe he will start.
He knows that there's only one man who can help Buzz and LW reconcile their differences: Trent MF Lockett.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 14, 2012, 08:44:17 AM
He knows that there's only one man who can help Buzz and LW reconcile their differences: Trent MF Lockett.
So the "F" has been retired, but the "MF" is fair game?
Quote from: Benny B on May 14, 2012, 08:53:18 AM
So the "F" has been retired, but the "MF" is fair game?
Everything is a sequel these days...
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 13, 2012, 09:54:43 PM
Maybe because he wants to be coached by someone who has two consecutive first round picks in a row. Because he coached a juco who was BE POY. Because his new coach has been a sweet 16 coach two years in a row. Maybe because he wants to go to a school that is a storied bball school. Maybe because he sees a team with a ton of potential that could go a long ways with his senior+ leadership. Maybe because he sees Buzz as someone who can bring out the best in him. Maybe because.....
No offense, but your post makes you sound like a badger troll.
Thanks. Someone hit the essence of our program right on the head. Nobody could have said it better!
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 14, 2012, 01:40:16 PM
Thanks. Someone hit the essence of our program right on the head. Nobody could have said it better!
Thanks, but Chicahoops could have one upped me. He does it to everyone.
Speaking of Chicahoops, haven't seen him post lately. Did the Mods put him a time-out?
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 14, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Thanks, but Chicahoops could have one upped me. He does it to everyone.
Speaking of Chicahoops, haven't seen him post lately. Did the Mods put him a time-out?
Maybe he (like many, or was it hundreds, or perhaps thousands?) chose to stop posting here due to horrible people like me :)
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 14, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Thanks, but Chicahoops could have one upped me. He does it to everyone.
Speaking of Chicahoops, haven't seen him post lately. Did the Mods put him a time-out?
I think there was a group timeout due to political commentary.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 14, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Thanks, but Chicahoops could have one upped me. He does it to everyone.
Speaking of Chicahoops, haven't seen him post lately. Did the Mods put him a time-out?
Strangely enough, Hoopaloop hasn't posted anything since he strayed well out of bounds with some comments about Warthog and DU. Either he's vacationing in California with the himself, I mean, the bail bondsman or he has been suspended.
Quote from: leever on May 14, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
Strangely enough, Hoopaloop hasn't posted anything since he strayed well out of bounds with some comments about Warthog and DU. Either he's vacationing in California with the himself, I mean, the bail bondsman or he has been suspended.
In a second beer summit?
Quote from: Benny B on May 14, 2012, 08:53:18 AM
So the "F" has been retired, but the "MF" is fair game?
I believe that "MF" was trademarked by Oliver Lee. He could not speak any sentence without throwing in a couple MFs. He had a sweet shot but he was not majoring in Electrical Engineering.
Emily Litella: "What's all this fuss I hear about 'booming catechism' at Marquette, as if it's a big problem? Why, when I went to MU back in the day, Gesu was full to the brim with students every Sunday morning, and those that couldn't fit in went instead to the Sunday night service at Tower Hall. Those were the days, I tell you. The basketball team sucked, but catechism was booming all over campus. I'll be glad if this Herosheema thing happens because of booming catechism. And that churchy coach Buzz is just the guy to lead us to the promised land. Bring it on, I say!"
Chevy: "Pardon me, Emily, but the concern is about a 'looming cataclysm' not 'booming catechism.' They say it could be a real bad scene at The Al if it comes to pass."
Emily: "Oh, that's different. Never mind."
Hiroshima is a fine jazz ensemble. Not sure what that has to do with MU basketball.
Quote from: leever on May 14, 2012, 02:33:42 PM
Strangely enough, Hoopaloop hasn't posted anything since he strayed well out of bounds with some comments about Warthog and DU. Either he's vacationing in California with the himself, I mean, the bail bondsman or he has been suspended.
Not in California. No suspension or timeout. Did you know Warthog was in the military?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 14, 2012, 11:16:54 PM
Not in California. No suspension or timeout. Did you know Warthog was in the military?
Sorry you couldn't make the summit in CA.
Too bad there was no suspension or timeout.
I am aware that Warthog was in the military.
Nice to have a veteran on the forum. No meltdown with the program. Buzz will be here for at least 5 more years. All is happy in MU Land.
Soooooooooooooo what happened to the cataclysm/Hiroshima??
What say you paranoids? Friday approx. 5pm??
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 14, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
I believe that "MF" was trademarked by Oliver Lee. He could not speak any sentence without throwing in a couple MFs. He had a sweet shot but he was not majoring in Electrical Engineering.
Perhaps my all-time frustrating Warrior. He had incredible talent but he did far too little with it. He had a way of making me pull my hair out. No wonder I'm so follicly challenged now!
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 14, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
I believe that "MF" was trademarked by Oliver Lee. He could not speak any sentence without throwing in a couple MFs. He had a sweet shot but he was not majoring in Electrical Engineering.
Back in the day I took a class taught by Bob Weingart. One day Oliver doesn't show up and Weingart asks Bernard Toone, "Where's your brother."
Toone says, "My brother's in New York. I don't know where this clown is."
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 16, 2012, 02:41:22 PM
Soooooooooooooo what happened to the cataclysm/Hiroshima??
What say you paranoids? Friday approx. 5pm??
+1
http://www.youtube.com/v/wcW_Ygs6hm0&fs=1&source=uds
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 16, 2012, 02:41:22 PM
Soooooooooooooo what happened to the cataclysm/Hiroshima??
What say you paranoids? Friday approx. 5pm??
You're pretty sure of yourself, aren't you?
Quote from: lab_warrior on May 16, 2012, 03:05:20 PM
+1
http://www.youtube.com/v/wcW_Ygs6hm0&fs=1&source=uds
That is a pretty awesome way to go.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 16, 2012, 02:41:22 PM
Soooooooooooooo what happened to the cataclysm/Hiroshima??
What say you paranoids? Friday approx. 5pm??
I'm not sure if you are counting me as one of the "paranoids," but I do know that there is one player in danger of not returning. Not the multiple player, nightmare scenario. I have no idea if he got his act together and is out of the woods. My guess is that with players due back on Monday, we will know shortly.
And I have no idea if the changes in academic policy have been adopted yet...or if they will at all.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
I'm not sure if you are counting me as one of the "paranoids," but I do know that there is one player in danger of not returning. Not the multiple player, nightmare scenario. I have no idea if he got his act together and is out of the woods. My guess is that with players due back on Monday, we will know shortly.
And I have no idea if the changes in academic policy have been adopted yet...or if they will at all.
You are definitely in the group of paranoids. Anyone with a scintella of information (or a belief that information may exist) that contradicts the narrative that a) Buzz is happier than ever these last few months, b) no change in academic policy has ever been discussed and c) even if a change of said policy occured it couldn't affect any of our players is a full fledged tin foil hat wearer.
The only non tinfoil hat wearers I'm sure of are Madtown, Lab, Dimes and maybe Hoops/Chicos.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
I'm not sure if you are counting me as one of the "paranoids," but I do know that there is one player in danger of not returning. Not the multiple player, nightmare scenario. I have no idea if he got his act together and is out of the woods. My guess is that with players due back on Monday, we will know shortly.
And I have no idea if the changes in academic policy have been adopted yet...or if they will at all.
Yes, you are. And it's hilarious how you paranoids (goose, stone cold, warrior, etc...) are crawfishing like crazy on your "sources" and "inside info"....
Quote from: warthog-driver on May 14, 2012, 06:49:27 PM
I believe that "MF" was trademarked by Oliver Lee. He could not speak any sentence without throwing in a couple MFs. He had a sweet shot but he was not majoring in Electrical Engineering.
He was also "Mr. VISA" (or was it a "Mastercard) if I recall correctly. ::)
Quote from: Knight Commission on May 16, 2012, 08:55:17 PM
That is a pretty awesome way to go.
What a great video is that muguru, goose, or lenny?
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 16, 2012, 11:24:52 PM
What a great video is that muguru, goose, or lenny?
Is it any wonder that someone with "dime" in their screen name would be a fan of Slim Pickens?
Quote from: JTBMU7 on May 16, 2012, 10:25:31 PM
Yes, you are. And it's hilarious how you paranoids (goose, stone cold, warrior, etc...) are crawfishing like crazy on your "sources" and "inside info"....
OK, I don't really know what this means. I was just told something by someone who would know. I don't know why that makes me "paranoid," compared to some of the people who think LW and SP are brought from other places to tear us down and become SLU. I know nothing about any of that...I just know about this specific player.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
I'm not sure if you are counting me as one of the "paranoids," but I do know that there is one player in danger of not returning. Not the multiple player, nightmare scenario. I have no idea if he got his act together and is out of the woods. My guess is that with players due back on Monday, we will know shortly.
And I have no idea if the changes in academic policy have been adopted yet...or if they will at all.
Question: Do all the players sign up for and attend summer classes?
Quote from: nyg on May 17, 2012, 06:51:45 AM
Question: Do all the players sign up for and attend summer classes?
yes, if possible to spread out the burden of playing bb and class at the same time.
Quote from: jpvegas on May 16, 2012, 11:58:20 PM
Snowden started giving Raymonds sh*t saying that Oliver lee was a crazy n***r and he (snowden) wouldn't touch him.
Seriously?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 17, 2012, 07:10:44 AM
yes, if possible to spread out the burden of playing bb and class at the same time.
Jae didn't last year, but yeah...pretty much. Not only does it lessen the academic burden as Hards points out, but it gets them in the weight room.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 17, 2012, 07:10:44 AM
yes, if possible to spread out the burden of playing bb and class at the same time.
My sophomore year, I took American Lit. After getting the syllabus and seeing the outrageous amount of reading that would be necessary -- as much as 500 pages in a single week -- I dropped the class. I just knew I wouldn't have the discipline to do all that reading (and analyzing and essay-writing, etc.) with all the other stuff I had going on. I took an American Lit class the following summer at a community college and, it being my only class, I got an A.
My junior year, at the advice of my adviser, I signed up for British Lit. Second verse, same as the first. Saw the incredible amount of reading necessary and dropped the class. The following summer, I stayed in Milwaukee to work and I finished my lit requirement by taking a poetry class. I got an A/B.
I didn't feel the least bit guilty at the time and still don't. I took all the classes I was supposed to take within the time frame I was supposed to take them. I graduated in four years -- which I might not have done had I overloaded my tiny brain with those lit classes. As Clint Eastwood says: "A good man always knows his limitations."
As long as the athletes -- or any other Marquette students -- are progressing properly toward their degrees, I don't see any reason they should be looked down upon for reducing their case loads during their busiest times (i.e. basketball season) and adding to their loads during their lightest times (i.e. summer). Every student at Marquette has that right.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 16, 2012, 09:00:42 PM
I'm not sure if you are counting me as one of the "paranoids," but I do know that there is one player in danger of not returning. Not the multiple player, nightmare scenario. I have no idea if he got his act together and is out of the woods. My guess is that with players due back on Monday, we will know shortly.
And I have no idea if the changes in academic policy have been adopted yet...or if they will at all.
So ... one player may or may not be in academic trouble under new guidelines that may or may not exist, may or may not be adopted and may or may not be enforced this year.
Do I have it right?
Think you're a solid poster here and not labeling you a "paranoid," Sultan, but this whole Hiroshima business has been nonsense, and you've contributed to said nonsense.
We on this board take MU Hoops very seriously, and that may skew our perspective.
There are many influential alums who do not like any negative MU news, and have told Fr. Pilarz and AD Williams as much. They are not anti basketball. They want their alma mater to shine. They believe in Buzz giving these kids a shot, even if the kid has had issues (mostly academic). In return, they expect the kids to stay the f*uck out of the newspaper and go to class.
Fair trade. I think so.
I think Sultan and some others labeled as paranoid are only acknowledging this.
I would assume all the tin-foil hats would be all buzzing (no pun intended) with the forthcoming inside (ahem, "sources") knowledge of Hiroshima happening or not...
Quote from: Pakuni on May 17, 2012, 10:09:27 AM
Think you're a solid poster here and not labeling you a "paranoid," Sultan, but this whole Hiroshima business has been nonsense, and you've contributed to said nonsense.
I posted that one player is in academic trouble. I posted that the reason that many are concerned is because of a supposed change in academic policy.
But I have never stated that multiple players are in trouble....that this supposed policy change was unfair or some sort of plot to turn us into SLU. I never said that Buzz could no longer recruit JUCOs....or that Buzz is POed because this would hamstring his recruiting. If people are jumping to Hiroshima conclusions because of the first two things I have posted, that isn't my problem.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2012, 12:29:22 PM
I posted that one player is in academic trouble. I posted that the reason that many are concerned is because of a supposed change in academic policy.
But I have never stated that multiple players are in trouble....that this supposed policy change was unfair or some sort of plot to turn us into SLU. I never said that Buzz could no longer recruit JUCOs....or that Buzz is POed because this would hamstring his recruiting. If people are jumping to Hiroshima conclusions because of the first two things I have posted, that isn't my problem.
Backing Sultan up here. He was never part of the 'tin foil hat' crowd. Grades have been posted for 48 hours. Any news that you're hearing?
Quote from: MU82 on May 17, 2012, 08:19:51 AM
My sophomore year, I took American Lit. After getting the syllabus and seeing the outrageous amount of reading that would be necessary -- as much as 500 pages in a single week -- I dropped the class. I just knew I wouldn't have the discipline to do all that reading (and analyzing and essay-writing, etc.) with all the other stuff I had going on. I took an American Lit class the following summer at a community college and, it being my only class, I got an A.
My junior year, at the advice of my adviser, I signed up for British Lit. Second verse, same as the first. Saw the incredible amount of reading necessary and dropped the class. The following summer, I stayed in Milwaukee to work and I finished my lit requirement by taking a poetry class. I got an A/B.
I didn't feel the least bit guilty at the time and still don't. I took all the classes I was supposed to take within the time frame I was supposed to take them. I graduated in four years -- which I might not have done had I overloaded my tiny brain with those lit classes. As Clint Eastwood says: "A good man always knows his limitations."
As long as the athletes -- or any other Marquette students -- are progressing properly toward their degrees, I don't see any reason they should be looked down upon for reducing their case loads during their busiest times (i.e. basketball season) and adding to their loads during their lightest times (i.e. summer). Every student at Marquette has that right.
Couldn't agree more '82. I'm picking up an extra tuition bill for my daughter right now so she can take a class this summer and avoid 18 credit hours in her very demanding Nursing program. I know how hard she works. Pretty good summer lined up for her with school and about 20 hours of work per week for 'orange whip' money.
Quote from: jsglow on May 17, 2012, 07:04:50 PM
Backing Sultan up here. He was never part of the 'tin foil hat' crowd. Grades have been posted for 48 hours. Any news that you're hearing?
Thank you...and I have heard absolutely nothing.
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Quote from: Stone Cold on May 17, 2012, 07:29:01 PM
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Wait a second... This image has been altered. Where is the dolphin and wharuuuu?
Real as life baby. Word is Williams had been sighted at area flight schools.
Quote from: Benny B on May 17, 2012, 08:54:06 PM
Wait a second... This image has been altered. Where is the dolphin and wharuuuu?
CHEEKIN AND COW!?!
Just about 5 on Friday. Any news?
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on May 18, 2012, 04:57:28 PM
Just about 5 on Friday. Any news?
There doesn't seem to be any, does there? No news is good news, I believe. Today is the Friday after second semester grades came out, so I'm thinking this would have been the day we would have heard.
It appears we have a bunch of no-nothing blowhard asshats who post here. No surprise.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 19, 2012, 09:10:57 AM
It appears we have a bunch of no-nothing blowhard asshats who post here. No surprise.
Oh really?? Hmmmm....well just because nothing hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to. It's a complicated issue, and is going to take some time. Did anyone say that something would be known this Friday?? No! People made assumptions. I'm done posting info here.
Quote from: muguru on May 19, 2012, 09:19:14 AM
Oh really?? Hmmmm....well just because nothing hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to. It's a complicated issue, and is going to take some time. Did anyone say that something would be known this Friday?? No! People made assumptions. I'm done posting info here.
So what's the complicated part? If there are new standards,grades are posted. Have they not yet decided how to apply them? Are there no new standards? At this stage, shouldn't all the policy decisions and criteria be outlined for the students so they know what they needed to do?
I haven't seen this much suspense since when Michael Bay missed the mark when he made Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on May 19, 2012, 09:41:43 AM
So what's the complicated part? If there are new standards,grades are posted. Have they not yet decided how to apply them? Are there no new standards? At this stage, shouldn't all the policy decisions and criteria be outlined for the students so they know what they needed to do?
I haven't seen this much suspense since when Michael Bay missed the mark when he made Pearl Harbor.
These are complete hypotheticals because I have not heard anything:
**A player may be working with a professor on make up type work which would lead to a grade change. (ie, the Fab Melo appeal)
**If a player isn't coming back, they may delay an announcement because Buzz is working with them on a JUCO transfer, etc.
Look, Buzz said earlier that the players are due back this week for summer school. I hope every single player is back and in-class and in the weight room on Monday. We will find out shortly.
Quote from: muguru on May 19, 2012, 09:19:14 AM
Oh really?? Hmmmm....well just because nothing hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to. It's a complicated issue, and is going to take some time. Did anyone say that something would be known this Friday?? No! People made assumptions. I'm done posting info here.
While grades have been posted, Incompletes could be in resolution. Should know soon if anyone else is leaving the program.
There are two summer school sessions to raise a persons grade. Unless a player is totaling failing with no hope, I would not expect anyone to be forced out before summer school. I could also see players bounced, if they get into trouble during the summer. We will know in September, who is still on the team.
Quote from: bilsu on May 19, 2012, 11:14:54 AM
There are two summer school sessions to raise a persons grade. Unless a player is totaling failing with no hope, I would not expect anyone to be forced out before summer school. I could also see players bounced, if they get into trouble during the summer. We will know in September, who is still on the team.
Ah...do the summer school courses count toward this past academic year's overall GPA? If so you are correct.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 19, 2012, 12:38:42 PM
Ah...do the summer school courses count toward this past academic year's overall GPA? If so you are correct.
There are some limits in this regard.
http://gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html (http://gomarquette.com/sports/acad-comp/spec-rel/070110aaa.html)
is MUGURU the guy that drives the black hearse up and down Wisconsin avenue?
that's funny - and Goose is the one painting the "I'm concerned" messages on the sides of the hearse...
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 19, 2012, 12:48:36 PM
is MUGURU the guy that drives the black hearse up and down Wisconsin avenue?
and the paranoia and conspiracy theories are hitting Dodd's board just now - who is gomarquette on this board- would be interesting to know, SilverWarrior's panties are wedged high up is ass too...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 19, 2012, 02:17:50 PM
that's funny - and Goose is the one painting the "I'm concerned" messages on the sides of the hearse...
Quote from: madtownwarrior on May 19, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
and the paranoia and conspiracy theories are hitting Dodd's board just now - who is gomarquette on this board- would be interesting to know, SilverWarrior's panties are wedged high up is ass too...
Yeah, it looks like you, Hoop, Dimes and Lab are the only MU fans left who aren't totally out of their minds crazy. I sure hope you're right about Buzz being happier than ever, standards not changing for athletes, etc.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 19, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
Yeah, it looks like you, Hoop, Dimes and Lab are the only MU fans left who aren't totally out of their minds crazy. I sure hope you're right about Buzz being happier than ever, standards not changing for athletes, etc.
I believe even if the standards change, we will field a good basketball team and be fine. If Buzz cannot accomplish that, then someone else will. It is not as if tough standards are preventing teams from success in college basketball.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 19, 2012, 04:05:11 PM
Yeah, it looks like you, Hoop, Dimes and Lab are the only MU fans left who aren't totally out of their minds crazy. I sure hope you're right about Buzz being happier than ever, standards not changing for athletes, etc.
Lenny, I'm kinda in the middle on all of this. While we do have some over the top "insider" coments here, they have actually made me listen a little deeper to what Buzz has said lately, and I do think there have been some things that have taken some of his "happy" away.
I'd much rather deal with what happened instead of rumors of what is going to happen. When we get the posts about Buzz being just this close to going to SMU, I have a hard time keeping from laughing. If Buzz IS who we think he is, I would guess there is pretty much a 0% chance of him leaving for SMU. Someone even stated that one of the pluses of the SMU job was having big money donors like Craig James & the Hunt brothers. Since James helped cause the death penalty for the school once, I'm guessing the guy who has been called the most-hated man in Texas is not a positive when when it comes to hiring a coach.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 19, 2012, 05:06:45 PM
I believe even if the standards change, we will field a good basketball team and be fine. If Buzz cannot accomplish that, then someone else will. It is not as if tough standards are preventing teams from success in college basketball.
So you're okay if our standards are higher than Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Villanova etc.? Fine. How do you think Painter, Crean, Bo, Boeheim or Wright woulld be with it if their administration upped their standards while the rest of their competition stood pat? Of course, that won't happen. Nobody could be that stupid/shortsighted. Right?
Madtown
I have taken your insults for almost two months and now really go Fxxk yourself. It would have been nice to see a post that included some information along with your insults. You have added nothing to any post, yet you expect credibility. Would have thought Topper adding that he heard similar things from reliable sources would mean something.
Lenny,
My only issue is i have not seen one iota of evidence that any of this is true. People have predicted the end of the world, yet your post tasks me and others with proving that end of the world is in fact not happening! Occam
's razor
Canadian
Do you think anything ever happens behind the scenes and info is kept confidential? Things may happen over time and on one knows until after the fact. Did you know the BE was blowing up in advance or did it catch you by surprise?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 19, 2012, 12:38:42 PM
Ah...do the summer school courses count toward this past academic year's overall GPA? If so you are correct.
Yes, the requirements for GPA are at the start of each school year. The NCAA only allows, though, 6 summer credits.
Sorry - I don't have the "sources" you have so nothing to add to the tin foil conspiracy...
You single handedly (ok, maybe with help from IWB) lead to the Buzz to SMU blowup for 100 pages which did not happen and was embarrassing as a fan base- maybe go F**K yourself or just lighten up a bit it's a joke which I thought was pretty funny tieing all the hiroshima talk to the black doomsday hearse that roams the streets of Milwaukee
Quote from: Goose on May 19, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
Madtown
I have taken your insults for almost two months and now really go Fxxk yourself. It would have been nice to see a post that included some information along with your insults. You have added nothing to any post, yet you expect credibility. Would have thought Topper adding that he heard similar things from reliable sources would mean something.
Quote from: Goose on May 19, 2012, 05:39:55 PM
Would have thought Topper adding that he heard similar things from reliable sources would mean something.
I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one. He has similar sources as you. Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things. I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.
Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing. Most people would call IWB a reliable source. Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.
So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 19, 2012, 09:41:55 PM
So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying
Not until December 21st.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 19, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one. He has similar sources as you. Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things. I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.
Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing. Most people would call IWB a reliable source. Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.
Do you wonder about the Steve Orsini firing Rocky? Larry Brown wasn't Orsini's choice and Buzz was the one who interviewed before Brown at SMU. I'll go out on a ledge and say that if Orsini would have gotten the blessing of the SMU president, Buzz may be working out of Dallas right now. I think IWB was onto something.
That makes it sound like SMU turned down Buzz, when I think Buzz ultimately turned down SMU. I believe it was close, but ultimately Buzz chose to stay at MU for whatever reason. Also, did Buzz interview? Maybe it is semantics, but all I ever heard was they were talking, I didn't take that to be a formal interview.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 19, 2012, 09:36:36 PM
I love how you're taking topper as a beacon of truth for this one. He has similar sources as you. Probably the kind that hear the the same kinds of things. I still think those sources are wrong about most of this.
Take for instance, IWB stirring the pot on the SMU thing. Most people would call IWB a reliable source. Yet, just because he heard something, doesn't mean that it is guaranteed to happen, or even very close to happening.
There's only one type of person more gullible than a pessimist... a sports "insider."
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 19, 2012, 10:27:25 PM
That makes it sound like SMU turned down Buzz, when I think Buzz ultimately turned down SMU. I believe it was close, but ultimately Buzz chose to stay at MU for whatever reason. Also, did Buzz interview? Maybe it is semantics, but all I ever heard was they were talking, I didn't take that to be a formal interview.
Would SMU really need to interview him? He would have been a home run hire, so they were in no position to pick nits.
That being said, it didn't appear that Buzz ever left Milwaukee during the saga, so take that for whatever it means.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 19, 2012, 09:41:55 PM
So the world is indeed ending then?
And by the way we are also all dying
The world is ending. The sky is falling, the sky is falling The horror, the horror. ;D
Sorry, but this has turned into a lame a$$ thread....but it does have potential for 100 pages with all the name calling.
How did everyone do on the opener. Dimes, did you get up to the Hayward area? I am heading up to Nebagamon this coming weekend. That lake is killer for smallies this time of year. Usually hook up with them when fishing for walleyes with jigs and minnows.
Rocky,
I never said Topper was the beacon of truth. Per his post he stated that he does NOT have a track record of posting inaccurate info and based on that I respect his post. My point is I am not going to dismiss another poster simply because I do not like his comments or posts, unless a track record of being wrong. I have not been in the MUguru camp since he first posted the mass transfer issue but I am not going to dismiss him because I have no info to prove he is wrong.
Other than my posting that I have heard the Buzz/MU relationship has soured I have no opinion on changed academic standards or mass transfers. Have heard rumors about those issues but not from anyone other than other casual fans. Time will tell what ultimately happens and odds are none of us will know the whole story.
Quote from: MUMac on May 19, 2012, 08:30:39 PM
Yes, the requirements for GPA are at the start of each school year. The NCAA only allows, though, 6 summer credits.
Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.
Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.
The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.
Just a word of advice to all... don't believe everything you hear on TV. And since Nelligan Sports is in the business of TV, it would be in the interests of everyone's sanity that we extend them the same courtesy.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 19, 2012, 10:22:20 PM
Do you wonder about the Steve Orsini firing Rocky? Larry Brown wasn't Orsini's choice and Buzz was the one who interviewed before Brown at SMU. I'll go out on a ledge and say that if Orsini would have gotten the blessing of the SMU president, Buzz may be working out of Dallas right now. I think IWB was onto something.
Good Lord, remove the tin foil cap. And step off the ledge.
When exactly did Buzz interview at SMU?
And do you really believe that Buzz couldn't have gotten the "blessing" of SMU's president?
This place is nuts.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown
This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.
My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown. Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.
Does that sound like a possible scenario?
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown
This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.
My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown. Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.
Does that sound like a possible scenario?
This is pure fantasy and more nuts then a lot of the other MU conspiracy theories out there. Your own article linked says they aimed for Buzz and missed and then went after Benford. Everyone at SMU wanted Buzz if they could get him, Brown likely wasn't even option number 2.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown
This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.
My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown. Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.
Does that sound like a possible scenario?
No it doesn't Ted. All articles point to other interviews with Tony and an Indiana assistant. There is no credible information out there that Buzz went to Dallas to chat.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 20, 2012, 10:48:54 AM
Good Lord, remove the tin foil cap. And step off the ledge.
When exactly did Buzz interview at SMU?
And do you really believe that Buzz couldn't have gotten the "blessing" of SMU's president?
This place is nuts.
Exactly. Of course SMU dreamed, made a call, got permission to chat, and chatted with Buzz. And sometime after that Buzz was no longer on the list. That's all we'll ever know.
Quote from: NCAARules on May 20, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.
Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.
The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.
Could you elaborate further? Is what you're saying that a kid could have enough qualifying credit hours already accumulated during the regular school year but use the summer to pad a substandard GPA with say 12 credits?
Quote from: NCAARules on May 20, 2012, 09:02:06 AM
Sorry- just to make a slight correction (I think ... I've been out of the compliance game for a couple of years now) - there is no limit on the number of summer hours that can be used for the GPA requirement.
Also - while the NCAA GPA requirement is only evaluated once a year, "good academic standing" (as defined by MU) is constantly evaluated and probably has a GPA component.
The limit on summer hours relates to which credits can be used to satisfied the annual credit requirements, not the GPA requirements.
Thanks for the correction.
holy tin foil hat and stretch of imagination - where is implied they even interviewed Buzz? much less in Dallas?
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown
This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.
My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown. Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.
Does that sound like a possible scenario?
I don't think it was a stretch of the imagination and it was just an angle where Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas. It may never have happened, but I think my theory had some merit to consider.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 01:23:14 PM
I don't think it was a stretch of the imagination and it was just an angle where Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas. It may never have happened, but I think my theory had some merit to consider.
But Ted, you indicated that the article(s) somehow suggested it.
No, they did not. That's how unfounded rumors start. If somehow we now have page after page of Buzz actually interviewing in Big D, I'll point back to your unfounded interpretation of what was reported. Let me repeat, there is no credible evidence that Buzz 'interviewed' for the SMU job.
Quote from: jsglow on May 20, 2012, 01:43:02 PM
But Ted, you indicated that the article(s) somehow suggested it. No, they did not. That's how unfounded rumors start. If somehow we now have page after page of Buzz actually interviewing in Big D, I'll point back to your unfounded interpretation of what was reported. Let me repeat, there is no credible evidence that Buzz 'interviewed' for the SMU job.
Correct.
But Ted took it even further, stating that not only did Buzz interview at SMU, but that he was going to take the job had SMU's president not vetoed him.
Think about what's being suggested here .... SMU's president overruled his AD's choice of Buzz, then went out (on his own?) and hired a 71-year-old vagabond with a history of NCAA rules violations and who hasn't coached a college game in nearly 25 years. And then, he went and fired his AD for not hiring Larry Brown in the first place.
Ugh. I'm tempted to say you can't make up this kind of stuff, but it appears some people really can make up this kind of stuff.
You're right. I should just stay away from posting about Marquette basketball from now on.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 04:59:59 PM
You're right. I should just stay away from posting about Marquette basketball from now on.
It's the only way to avoid scorn. As far as this board is concerned, unless something happens in a very public forum, it never had any chance at happening, no matter how much evidence to the contrary may exist.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 11:34:13 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/57978/should-smu-really-hire-larry-brown
This reads that Buzz may have interviewed in Dallas.
My point is that Orsini wanted Buzz while the SMU president wanted Brown. Buzz could have easily sensed the presidents favoritism of Brown if they talked in an interview and decided to pull his name out of the mix.
Does that sound like a possible scenario?
High comedy. LET'S GO ALL IN ON THE SPECULATIVE BATS***, shall we?! That's what is so sad about this, is that people have taken unsourced, no-evidence rumors, and have created not only a "everyone flee to the doom bunker!" mentality, but an alternate universe, that Philip K. Dick would be proud of. Holy f***ing sh**. Start taking the meds, please.
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 04:59:59 PM
You're right. I should just stay away from posting about Marquette basketball from now on.
YUP. Glad this isn't in teal, so you're serious about it. You should. Sit this one out for a while, Brick. A LONG WHILE.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 20, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
It's the only way to avoid scorn. As far as this board is concerned, unless something happens in a very public forum, it never had any chance at happening, no matter how much evidence to the contrary may exist.
Anytime you want to provide any of this "evidence", big mouth, be my guest.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on May 19, 2012, 09:10:57 AM
It appears we have a bunch of know-nothing blowhard asshats who post here. No surprise.
You could not have Cliffs' notes'd the board over the last few months any better in a single sentence. Slow clap.
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Quote from: Bocephys on May 20, 2012, 05:10:18 PM
It's the only way to avoid scorn. As far as this board is concerned, unless something happens in a very public forum, it never had any chance at happening, no matter how much evidence to the contrary may exist.
What evidence?
(Note: An anonymous person saying his anonymous source heard from someone who thinks something could possibly happen, maybe, does not qualify as evidence.)
Sorry if I pissed people off. I was lending an opinion on something from that could have possibly happened based on how I was reading things. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 20, 2012, 05:32:48 PM
What evidence?
(Note: An anonymous person saying his anonymous source heard from someone who thinks something could possibly happen, maybe, does not qualify as evidence.)
Admittedly there's none for the academic scenario yet, but multiple media outlets reported that Buzz was close to taking the SMU job and most here dismissed it as random speculation. At some point there's enough smoke to assume a small fire existed, right?
Quote from: Bocephys on May 20, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Admittedly there's none for the academic scenario yet, but multiple media outlets reported that Buzz was close to taking the SMU job and most here dismissed it as random speculation. At some point there's enough smoke to assume a small fire existed, right?
Find a link to a story that said anything even close to this. Dare you.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 20, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Admittedly there's none for the academic scenario yet, but multiple media outlets reported that Buzz was close to taking the SMU job and most here dismissed it as random speculation. At some point there's enough smoke to assume a small fire existed, right?
No, multiple media outlets did not report Buzz was close to taking the SMU job. One ESPN columnist said it. Seven days later, that same columnist wrote "No one wanted the (SMU) job. Not Marquette's Buzz Williams, a Texas native who would've been a perfect fit."
So, apparently said columnist believes Buzz was "very close" to taking a job he didn't want. Which, of course, makes no sense. That didn't stop some from clutching onto that quote as proof of some grand falling out and forsaking the many others writers out there who were of the opinion that Buzz never seriously entertained leaving.
Also, a small fire is quite a bit different from Hiroshima and the many other doomsday scenarios that were being predicted here.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 20, 2012, 05:58:01 PM
No, multiple media outlets did not report Buzz was close to taking the SMU job. One ESPN columnist said it. Seven days later, that same columnist wrote "No one wanted the (SMU) job. Not Marquette's Buzz Williams, a Texas native who would've been a perfect fit."
So, apparently said columnist believes Buzz was "very close" to taking a job he didn't want. Which, of course, makes no sense. That didn't stop some from clutching onto that quote as proof of some grand falling out and forsaking the many others writers out there who were of the opinion that Buzz never seriously entertained leaving.
Also, a small fire is quite a bit different from Hiroshima and the many other doomsday scenarios that were being predicted here.
Buzz ultimately not wanting the job doesn't prove that he never seriously entertained the idea of taking it. Every day people make decisions and are "very close" to going one way before ultimately deciding they want to go in the opposite direction. That's precisely why you're told to sleep on big financial decisions. It's easy to get caught up in the hype of it all and get excited, but ultimately it's usually better to pass, no matter how "very close" you were to making the plunge the day before.
a 1000 people could read that article and not come up with it stated Buzz interviewed in Dallas - that's why the scorn - a huge leap of imagination to make that claim from that article...
Quote from: TedBaxter on May 20, 2012, 05:36:39 PM
Sorry if I pissed people off. I was lending an opinion on something from that could have possibly happened based on how I was reading things. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 20, 2012, 05:39:12 PM
Admittedly there's none for the academic scenario yet, but multiple media outlets reported that Buzz was close to taking the SMU job and most here dismissed it as random speculation. At some point there's enough smoke to assume a small fire existed, right?
IWB has multiple media outlets?
Man there sure are a lot of A-holes on this board. Disagree with someone if you like, but some of you are embarrassing with your attacks on people for their posts. Some posters who at one time had some class, character and credibility have certainly wallowed in the sewer with their attacks. Sad to see what this board is becoming. Really sad.
Quote from: MUMac on May 20, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Man there sure are a lot of A-holes on this board. Disagree with someone if you like, but some of you are embarrassing with your attacks on people for their posts. Some posters who at one time had some class, character and credibility have certainly wallowed in the sewer with their attacks. Sad to see what this board is becoming. Really sad.
Not sure if you're speaking of me or not (fine with it either way), but I hope the irony of your post isn't completely lost on you.
Quote from: MUMac on May 20, 2012, 07:39:01 PM
Man there sure are a lot of A-holes on this board. Disagree with someone if you like, but some of you are embarrassing with your attacks on people for their posts. Some posters who at one time had some class, character and credibility have certainly wallowed in the sewer with their attacks. Sad to see what this board is becoming. Really sad.
I think quite often it's that some people just don't let things ever, ever die. One comment, one criticism, one misstep and it can haunt you for ages. The way some people follow everything you post, or Hoopaloop, or Chicos, or maybe even Ted now after his Buzz interview inference...not nearly as relaxed as it once was.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 20, 2012, 07:45:31 PM
Not sure if you're speaking of me or not (fine with it either way), but I hope the irony of your post isn't completely lost on you.
Yes, I definitely was speaking of you. No doubt about it. Your posts have truly deteriorated since the season ended. Really sad.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 20, 2012, 07:32:58 AM
The world is ending. The sky is falling, the sky is falling The horror, the horror. ;D
Sorry, but this has turned into a lame a$$ thread....but it does have potential for 100 pages with all the name calling.
How did everyone do on the opener. Dimes, did you get up to the Hayward area? I am heading up to Nebagamon this coming weekend. That lake is killer for smallies this time of year. Usually hook up with them when fishing for walleyes with jigs and minnows.
No im in northern indiana... Have transitioned to small mouths primarily. Have had mutiple 40+ smallmouth days on the st. Joe. Usually 3-4 hrs. 3-4 lbs max 18-20 inches. Most 12-15...lots of fun.
Hit lake muchigan the other day with 2 buddies n got a collection of 14 cohos n kings... Big fish being 12 lbs
Hit the gills last week n were yanking in big slab males as quik as we could.
It has been a faboulous spring with this warm weather...
Tight lines to all MU Scoop anglers!!!
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 20, 2012, 07:53:11 PM
No im in northern indiana... Have transitioned to small mouths primarily. Have had mutiple 40+ smallmouth days on the st. Joe. Usually 3-4 hrs. 3-4 lbs max 18-20 inches. Most 12-15...lots of fun.
Hit lake muchigan the other day with 2 buddies n got a collection of 14 cohos n kings... Big fish being 12 lbs
Hit the gills last week n were yanking in big slab males as quik as we could.
It has been a faboulous spring with this warm weather...
Tight lines to all MU Scoop anglers!!!
+1
Quote from: MUMac on May 20, 2012, 07:47:45 PM
Yes, I definitely was speaking of you. No doubt about it. Your posts have truly deteriorated since the season ended. Really sad.
Well, hopefully I can work my way back up to the level where I'm calling people a**holes.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 20, 2012, 07:53:11 PM
No im in northern indiana... Have transitioned to small mouths primarily. Have had mutiple 40+ smallmouth days on the st. Joe. Usually 3-4 hrs. 3-4 lbs max 18-20 inches. Most 12-15...lots of fun.
Hit lake muchigan the other day with 2 buddies n got a collection of 14 cohos n kings... Big fish being 12 lbs
Hit the gills last week n were yanking in big slab males as quik as we could.
It has been a faboulous spring with this warm weather...
Tight lines to all MU Scoop anglers!!!
Where in northern indiana? The St. Joe was where I grew up. Great Steelhead river. Behind the the 100 center (Kamms Island), the bridge by Merrifield park, down by the Twin Branch dam...
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 20, 2012, 10:09:01 PM
Where in northern indiana? The St. Joe was where I grew up. Great Steelhead river. Behind the the 100 center (Kamms Island), the bridge by Merrifield park, down by the Twin Branch dam...
If you ever hit the bridge by Merrifield park, as you look down river, try the third piling in from the left. We fished it a few years ago, off the second piling, and watched Dick Parker come through on the third piling a pull a few fish out.
Also, try the middle of the river by the first bridge at Eberhardt golf course. Nice deep spot.
One other spot...try the bifercation in front of Kamms Island Nice gravel bed in front of the island. Good spawning spot. During the spring spawn, egg sacks work well.
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 20, 2012, 10:23:12 PM
If you ever hit the bridge by Merrifield park, as you look down river, try the third piling in from the left. We fished it a few years ago, off the second piling, and watched Dick Parker come through on the third piling a pull a few fish out.
Also, try the middle of the river by the first bridge at Eberhardt golf course. Nice deep spot.
One other spot...try the bifercation in front of Kamms Island Nice gravel bed in front of the island. Good spawning spot. During the spring spawn, egg sacks work well.
Great Name...perhaps rivaling Dick Trickle.
Quote from: Ners on May 20, 2012, 11:17:16 PM
Great Name...perhaps rivaling Dick Trickle.
Ners, you have too much free time. ;D
Quote from: real chili 83 on May 20, 2012, 11:19:09 PM
Ners, you have too much free time. ;D
Good point, if only i were a Dick Parker, I'd probably have a lot less free time...
Yes actually have been putting in by 100 center brand new ramp... Real nice.
Bridge pilings are always the best, caught 7 smallies on 7 casts the orher day behind a piling on the logan st. Bridge.
Yanked two nice walleye off the geavel on front of the island. We used to call it monkey island....
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 21, 2012, 12:58:19 AM
Yes actually have been putting in by 100 center brand new ramp... Real nice.
Bridge pilings are always the best, caught 7 smallies on 7 casts the orher day behind a piling on the logan st. Bridge.
Yanked two nice walleye off the geavel on front of the island. We used to call it monkey island....
Its a small world. You from Mishawaka or SB?
Was up north this past weekend turkey hunting, sun tanning, and scouting out a perch lake. Fantastic weekend, look forward to getting up there for some fishing soon.
I would like to thank muguru and sultan and everyone else who fought in this movement.
WE DID IT!!
WE stopped the tyranny of unfair academic practices and incongruent academic standards.
YES WE CAN AND YES WE DID!!
Together with MUScoop which has provided us a forum to let the people's voices echo to the chambers of the MU BoT.
Hiroshima was not witnessed because OF YOU. Continue to stand fast to continue our legacy of excellence on the basketball court.
WTF are you talking about? I never brought up anything about hiroshima in the first place.
Together we did it Sultan!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 21, 2012, 03:13:14 PM
WTF are you talking about? I never brought up anything about hiroshima in the first place.
Sultan,
We need to be patient with Stone Cold until the long term effects of constant exposure to fallout radiation from one's own signature line can be sufficiently studied.
Quote from: LittleMurs on May 20, 2012, 07:16:58 PM
IWB has multiple media outlets?
translation any ding dong can start a website for $15 thru go daddy and call himself media. Then when SMU contacts MU he can state that he thinks BUZZ is 60/40 gone. Based on what??
fueling all this... IWB is no friend of the program.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 22, 2012, 10:06:14 AM
translation any ding dong can start a website for $15 thru go daddy and call himself media. Then when SMU contacts MU he can state that he thinks BUZZ is 60/40 gone. Based on what??
fueling all this... IWB is no friend of the program.
IWB is solid. IWB has never been reckless with info. Pretty obvious, Buzz used IWB to air grievances.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 22, 2012, 10:14:08 AM
IWB is solid. IWB has never been reckless with info. Pretty obvious, Buzz used IWB to air grievances.
Which IWB should've known Buzz was doing, instead of breathlessly reporting it as "Buzz to SMU is serious, he could really go."
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 10:20:25 AM
Which IWB should've known Buzz was doing, instead of breathlessly reporting it as "Buzz to SMU is serious, he could really go."
Might have....just might have SMU asked to speak to Buzz to see if he might be interested on a "it's worth a shot" attitutde, but also more importantly to discuss the candidacy of Tony benford?
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 22, 2012, 10:14:08 AM
IWB is solid. IWB has never been reckless with info. Pretty obvious, Buzz used IWB to air grievances.
Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.
I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was
this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 11:01:32 AM
Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.
I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.
Right. Which means one of two things:
(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or
(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.
Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
Right. Which means one of two things:
(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or
(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.
Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.
That doesn't make any damn sense. Why would the only person with evidence of direct links to the program be the person you doubt the most?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 11:01:32 AM
Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.
I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.
Unlikely that it came from Buzz directly. More than likely it came from someone "close" to the program, but perhaps someone who may or may not be a "part" of the program? Buzz doesn't have any "people"
per se, so IWB (and others) may need to rely upon third parties from time to time... some of who may have good information, some of who may be speculating.
If you guys remember the Illini fellas we're talking about discontent between Buzz and the higher ups before IWB confirmed. Word was getting out a few places.
Quote from: Benny B on May 22, 2012, 11:39:23 AM
Unlikely that it came from Buzz directly. More than likely it came from someone "close" to the program, but perhaps someone who may or may not be a "part" of the program? Buzz doesn't have any "people" per se, so IWB (and others) may need to rely upon third parties from time to time... some of who may have good information, some of who may be speculating.
But consider: who would know that SMU had been given permission to speak to Buzz, and that Buzz was seriously considering leaving?
It's a pretty limited universe of people.
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 11:22:08 AM
Right. Which means one of two things:
(a) IWB didn't see what Buzz was doing and got used; or
(b) IWB realized what Buzz was doing but didn't care, and used it to drive traffic to his new website.
Either way: I think what IWB "reports" should be taken with a grain of salt, going forward.
Or (c) the success of IWB's endeavor greatly relies on his access to sources like Buzz, so you do what you can to keep them happy and/or (d) IWB had a scoop and ran with it.
I don't ascribe any nefarious or greedy motives here. IWB had a story and went with it.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 12:09:12 PM
Or (c) the success of IWB's endeavor greatly relies on his access to sources like Buzz, so you do what you can to keep them happy and/or (d) IWB had a scoop and ran with it.
I don't ascribe any nefarious or greedy motives here. IWB had a story and went with it.
+1.
If people want to rip somebody for the IWB story, rip whoever leaked it to him.
That person may or may not be Buzz Williams.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 12:17:58 PM
If people want to rip somebody for the IWB story, rip whoever leaked it to him.
That person may or may not be Buzz Williams.
I don't understand this.
If Enlund had run the same story, and it turned out to be bunk, would we just blame Enlund's source?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 11:01:32 AM
Yes, yes, yes. This is what I said weeks ago when all that stuff was happening.
I don't doubt for a second IWB reported what he was told. I do doubt very much what he was told, i.e. that Buzz was this close to taking his talents to SMU, was accurate. Buzz used the SMU interest - the ensuing histrionics among many of the MU faithful - to establish his standing with the new guys.
Bully for him, I guess.
I'm confused. You're saying now that Buzz was using IWB to air his grievances. I kind of agree with this. But this admits there were grievances and they were serious enough for Buzz to go public with his unhappiness. Which is what several of us reported. And for that we were called part of some tin foil hat club. Please explain.
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 12:31:52 PM
I don't understand this.
If Enlund had run the same story, and it turned out to be bunk, would we just blame Enlund's source?
How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2012, 12:32:52 PM
I'm confused. You're saying now that Buzz was using IWB to air his grievances. I kind of agree with this. But this admits there were grievances and they were serious enough for Buzz to go public with his unhappiness. Which is what several of us reported. And for that we were called part of some tin foil hat club. Please explain.
1. I've never used the phrase "tin foil hat club" in my life. Perhaps you have me confused with someone else.
2. I've never suggested there haven't been issues. But there's a massive gulf between there being issues and the "OMG! OMG! OMG! Buzz is leaving! Buzz is quitting because of a newspaper quote! We're becoming St. Louis! Multiple players are being forced to transfer! Hiroshima! Hiroshima! Hiroshima!" nonsense that's been proffered by some panicky panickers around here.
Sometimes people who work together have differences of opinion. Happens every day in every city in every industry. The vast majority of the time, differences are resolved and everyone goes about their business.
Nothing presented thus far indicates what's happened at Marquette is any different.
+1 Lenny.
Just because Buzz didn't leave doesn't mean the story was bunk.
60/40 is closer to a coin flip then it is to "he is gone".
Clearly there were issues......Buzz talked to SMU....ultimately he didn't leave.
None of that makes IWB's story bunk. Many media reports had Matt Painter leaving Purdue a couple of years ago and taking the Missouri job. It was clearly very close to happening and then apparently Painter got cold feet.....were the media reports "bunk" because he didn't take it?
All IWB said was SMU is making a serious run at Buzz and he is listening. Maybe Buzz gave it serious consideration and maybe he was bluffing but nobody here knows that and I have no reason to assume IWB was reporting anything other then what he thought was the truth.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2012, 12:36:26 PM
How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 22, 2012, 12:36:26 PM
How exactly did his story turn out to be "bunk"? IWB never said Buzz signed with SMU or that he was going to. He said he talked to them and that it was serious. You know this to be untrue how?
To be sure: without talking to the man himself, I can't definitively *know* whether Buzz was seriously considering taking the SMU job.
But when I balance IWB's story on the one side, versus: the fact that nobody else in the know -- not Goodman, not Katz, not the Paint Touches kids, etc. (and, no, Jason King doesn't fit in this crew) -- reported that Buzz was seriously considering leaving for SMU; the fact that the SMU job is, at best, ten times worse than the Marquette job, and that the only comparable part of the jobs -- the salary -- is the thing that Buzz (reportedly) cares about the least, and that SMU is so dysfunctional that its AD got gassed almost immediately after hiring the new basketball coach, and that SMU is about to join Marquette's conference; and, perhaps most importantly, the fact that Buzz is still here, even though MU apparently did nothing to sweeten the pot to keep him here ...
I come out on the side of "bunk."
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 01:23:54 PM
To be sure: without talking to the man himself, I can't definitively *know* whether Buzz was seriously considering taking the SMU job.
But when I balance IWB's story on the one side, versus: the fact that nobody else in the know -- not Goodman, not Katz, not the Paint Touches kids, etc. (and, no, Jason King doesn't fit in this crew) -- reported that Buzz was seriously considering leaving for SMU; the fact that the SMU job is, at best, ten times worse than the Marquette job, and that the only comparable part of the jobs -- the salary -- is the thing that Buzz (reportedly) cares about the least, and that SMU is so dysfunctional that its AD got gassed almost immediately after hiring the new basketball coach, and that SMU is about to join Marquette's conference; and, perhaps most importantly, the fact that Buzz is still here, even though MU apparently did nothing to sweeten the pot to keep him here ...
I come out on the side of "bunk."
Why doesn't Jason King count? Because he doesn't help your side of writing off anything that didn't happen?
Buzz entrusts his players to IWB during the summer Pro-Am play, so they do have a good relationship. IWB's developed good relationships within the basketball program for many, many years.
Buzz and Larry going to champion any causes this summer, build some momentum for the program? Should smoke a peace pipe at the barbeque, if there is one.
Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:
- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums
#amiright?
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 01:31:53 PM
Why doesn't Jason King count? Because he doesn't help your side of writing off anything that didn't happen?
No. Because Jason King's reporting on this topic consisted of a single, off-hand comment during an interview on ESPN. Search his archive on ESPN.com. You won't find a mention of "Buzz to SMU" in there, other than this one -- http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball) -- where he includes Buzz amongst the people who didn't want the SMU job.
I believe Buzz talked to SMU more in an attempt to level playing field he felt was going against him in power department. Do not believe he ever had real desire to take SMU but more to flex his muscles. I believe MU called his bluff and told him to take the job if he wanted it and he decided MU for next season was better option. Bigger question moving forward is was the SMU dance the preview to the real thing next season?
No doubt in my mind something real happened between MU and Buzz and only time will tell if it can become a positive. I have felt from day one that Buzz talking to a SMU type school does not paint rosey picture of the sitution. People can bash IWB all day long but I think those that do are kidding themselves.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 01:54:40 PM
Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:
- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums
#amiright?
You can't go wrong with ELO.
Quote from: Rubie Q on May 22, 2012, 02:02:34 PM
No. Because Jason King's reporting on this topic consisted of a single, off-hand comment during an interview on ESPN. Search his archive on ESPN.com. You won't find a mention of "Buzz to SMU" in there, other than this one -- http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball) -- where he includes Buzz amongst the people who didn't want the SMU job.
But he still said it. Do you think he was making it up? Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
But he still said it. Do you think he was making it up? Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?
No, but I don't think you can say your house is on
almost on fire if you smell burned toast.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
But he still said it. Do you think he was making it up? Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?
Making it up? Probably not. Overstating it, like people do day after day after day after day on ESPN? Maybe.
You don't have to discount it if you don't want to. I'm just telling you why I don't find it very persuasive.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 01:54:40 PM
Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:
- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums
#amiright?
And that growth you had turned out to be benign. Aren't you glad you didn't waste any money on health insurance?
Buzz spoke to SMU about Tony Benford.
IWB got word that SMU had requested to talk to Buzz.
IWB put 1 and 1 together the same week he started a new website....with guess what a paid members forum.
Anything to make a buck.
As annoying as Dodds is I will give him credit for always taking the stance of not speculating on anything that might hurt the MU program.
Apparently, thats where he and IWB differ.
IWB is only a mercenary looking to pocket a dollar.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
No, but I don't think you can say your house is on almost on fire if you smell burned toast.
But I can say I need to be more careful making toast or it could set the house on fire.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:33:18 PM
But I can say I need to be more careful making toast or it could set the house on fire.
Very true, but the odds of burnt toast lighting your house on fire isn't very high.
"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 22, 2012, 02:30:20 PM
Buzz spoke to SMU about Tony Benford. Buzz spoke with SMU about Buzz. IWB found out about it and learned that SMU had permission to speak to Buzz. After Buzz said no, he then started promoting Tony.
IWB got word that SMU had requested to talk to Buzz.
IWB put 1 and 1 together the same week he started a new website....with guess what a paid members forum. So he was supposed to keep his mouth shut because he started his website?
Anything to make a buck.
As annoying as Dodds is I will give him credit for always taking the stance of not speculating on anything that might hurt the MU program. IWB was not speculating at all.
Apparently, thats where he and IWB differ.
IWB is only a mercenary looking to pocket a dollar. So you work for free now?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 02:38:12 PM
Very true, but the odds of burnt toast lighting your house on fire isn't very high.
"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"
Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room. All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:59:14 PM
Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room. All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.
Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:59:14 PM
Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room. All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.
So what should I have learned from this?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
So what should I have learned from this?
Don't play with matches?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
So what should I have learned from this?
I don't know, this was your analogy. I just ran with it.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.
Wheat, white bread is bad for you now. Haven't you heard?
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
So what should I have learned from this?
To actually answer your question:
You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast. That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.
Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling. If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room. A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 03:15:42 PM
To actually answer your question:
You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast. That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.
Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling. If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room. A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.
K-State, Illinois, South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State and Virginia Tech were all open as well, and all are much better gigs than SMU. If Buzz were as hellbent to leave as some here seem to think, he had options.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 03:15:42 PM
To actually answer your question:
You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast. That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.
Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling. If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room. A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.
I'm just saying a couple of blog posts is more akin to burnt toast than a true house fire.
The reaction from some was more akin to the Chicago fire.
Not all smoke is created equal.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:05:44 PM
Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.
That's traditonal toast. And some here agree it makes a big difference. Others say it's bad for you.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:26:16 PM
K-State, Illinois, South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State and Virginia Tech were all open as well, and all are much better gigs than SMU. If Buzz were as hellbent to leave as some here seem to think, he had options.
None of them were in the ballpark of money he's getting here. SMU was the only one willing to pony up (pun intended).
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 02:28:32 PM
No, but I don't think you can say your house is on almost on fire if you smell burned toast.
You would be amazed at the alarm companies that send out alarms for just that thing. Particularly if the toast is burned in a retirement community. But you are probably speaking metaphorically.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 03:36:14 PM
None of them were in the ballpark of money he's getting here. SMU was the only one willing to pony up (pun intended).
Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 03:31:40 PM
I'm just saying a couple of blog posts is more akin to burnt toast than a true house fire.
The reaction from some was more akin to the Chicago fire.
Not all smoke is created equal.
LOL. Yeah, gimme that Andy Katz, ESPN primo "smoke that we can believe in". After all, his "inside info" has been consistently wrong about MU for, well, forever. The only place/year he didn't have TC going to was IU in 2008 and he's already whiffed several times on Buzz.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.
I actually didn't remember Illinois offering Shaka that much money. Good call. Though I'd still argue the perfect storm of money available in or adjacent to Texas would have needed to be available, but we'll never know I suppose.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 01:54:40 PM
Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:
- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums
#amiright?
My friend bought a house in Northern Virginia and it was built in the 50's and it came with it's own nuclear bomb shelter. There was a submarine hatch in the garage to access it.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.
You sure on the bolded? I am not....nor do I believe that either public school would swallow at least 2 times that on a Buzz buy-out check to MU when they are both paying millions for ex-coaches to go away. SMU would have and did for Brown and crew. I won't even get into the craptacular hoops facilities at each state school whereas SMU is putting money forward on theirs as they enter the BE.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on May 22, 2012, 04:02:38 PM
You sure on the bolded? I am not....nor do I believe that either public school would swallow at least 2 times that on a Buzz buy-out check to MU when they are both paying millions for ex-coaches to go away. SMU would have and did for Brown and crew. I won't even get into the craptacular hoops facilities at each state school whereas SMU is putting money forward on theirs as they enter the BE.
How about "out of the ballpark for what's been reported" as Buzz's salary. Do you know something the rest of us don't (because there aren't nearly enough "insiders" around here)?
SMU paid Larry Brown's retirement a large buyout?
$2.6M... Meh. I'm sure Buzz makes more that that just from the Bubb's BBQ royalties.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 04:10:29 PM
How about "out of the ballpark for what's been reported" as Buzz's salary. Do you know something the rest of us don't (because there aren't nearly enough "insiders" around here)?
I don't know anything else that the ordinary common poster around here couldn't fact check. Considering Buzz's escalator, I think it is Shaka at U of I who was out of Buzz's ballpark. As to Brown, his salary, Jankovich's buyout and raise plus Howard and WWW...I would say that is a very nice retirement fund.
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His (Williams) rollover remains intact, but now his total pay is $2.5 million for the first year in his new contract.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/121830299.html#!page=2&pageSize=10&sort=newestfirst
Quote from: Pakuni on May 22, 2012, 03:41:54 PM
Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.
Quote from: Bocephys on May 22, 2012, 02:21:27 PM
You can't go wrong with ELO canned food and porn.
fixed.
IWB is more right than you guys know.
Quote from: ZiggysFryB'oy on May 22, 2012, 07:49:20 PM
IWB is more right than you guys know.
Agreed... Never took him as an Obama guy, myself.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on May 22, 2012, 03:05:49 PM
So what should I have learned from this?
English Muffins?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 19, 2012, 05:17:06 PM
So you're okay if our standards are higher than Purdue, Indiana, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Villanova etc.? Fine. How do you think Painter, Crean, Bo, Boeheim or Wright woulld be with it if their administration upped their standards while the rest of their competition stood pat? Of course, that won't happen. Nobody could be that stupid/shortsighted. Right?
I'm going to answer this in the new standards thread where it belongs
Quote from: Hoopaloop on May 23, 2012, 09:20:56 PM
I'm going to answer this in the new standards thread where it belongs
Thanks for letting us know!