With this looming cataclysm...

[Rubie Q]

Why doesn't Jason King count?  Because he doesn't help your side of writing off anything that didn't happen?

No. Because Jason King's reporting on this topic consisted of a single, off-hand comment during an interview on ESPN. Search his archive on ESPN.com. You won't find a mention of "Buzz to SMU" in there, other than this one -- http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball -- where he includes Buzz amongst the people who didn't want the SMU job.

[Goose]

I believe Buzz talked to SMU more in an attempt to level playing field he felt was going against him in power department. Do not believe he ever had real desire to take SMU but more to flex his muscles. I believe MU called his bluff and told him to take the job if he wanted it and he decided MU for next season was better option. Bigger question moving forward is was the SMU dance the preview to the real thing next season?

No doubt in my mind something real happened between MU and Buzz and only time will tell if it can become a positive. I have felt from day one that Buzz talking to a SMU type school does not paint rosey picture of the sitution. People can bash IWB all day long but I think those that do are kidding themselves.

[Bocephys]

Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:

- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums

#amiright?

You can't go wrong with ELO.

[Bocephys]

No. Because Jason King's reporting on this topic consisted of a single, off-hand comment during an interview on ESPN. Search his archive on ESPN.com. You won't find a mention of "Buzz to SMU" in there, other than this one -- http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7853594/coaches-mid-major-programs-spurning-lucrative-opportunities-stay-put-men-college-basketball -- where he includes Buzz amongst the people who didn't want the SMU job.

But he still said it.  Do you think he was making it up?  Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

But he still said it.  Do you think he was making it up?  Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?

No, but I don't think you can say your house is on almost on fire if you smell burned toast.

[Rubie Q]

But he still said it.  Do you think he was making it up?  Do we have to discount everything that was only reported once now?

Making it up? Probably not. Overstating it, like people do day after day after day after day on ESPN? Maybe.

You don't have to discount it if you don't want to. I'm just telling you why I don't find it very persuasive.

[Lennys Tap]

Y2k ALMOST happened, so it's a good thing I built a bunker that contained:

- Canned food
- Porn
- HiFi with Supertramp, YES, ELO and James Gang albums

#amiright?

And that growth you had turned out to be benign. Aren't you glad you didn't waste any money on health insurance?

[Canadian Dimes]

Buzz spoke to SMU about Tony Benford.


IWB got word that SMU had requested to talk to Buzz.

IWB put 1 and 1 together the same week he started a new website....with guess what a paid members forum.

Anything to make a buck.

As annoying as Dodds is I will give him credit for always taking the stance of not speculating on anything that might hurt the MU program.  

Apparently, thats where he and IWB differ.  

IWB is only a mercenary looking to pocket a dollar.

[Bocephys]

No, but I don't think you can say your house is on almost on fire if you smell burned toast.

But I can say I need to be more careful making toast or it could set the house on fire.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

But I can say I need to be more careful making toast or it could set the house on fire.

Very true, but the odds of burnt toast lighting your house on fire isn't very high.

"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"

[Gato78]

Buzz spoke to SMU about Tony Benford. Buzz spoke with SMU about Buzz. IWB found out about it and learned that SMU had permission to speak to Buzz. After Buzz said no, he then started promoting Tony.


IWB got word that SMU had requested to talk to Buzz.

IWB put 1 and 1 together the same week he started a new website....with guess what a paid members forum. So he was supposed to keep his mouth shut because he started his website?

Anything to make a buck.

As annoying as Dodds is I will give him credit for always taking the stance of not speculating on anything that might hurt the MU program.  IWB was not speculating at all.

Apparently, thats where he and IWB differ.  

IWB is only a mercenary looking to pocket a dollar. So you work for free now?

[Bocephys]

Very true, but the odds of burnt toast lighting your house on fire isn't very high.

"When a guy takes off his coat, he's not going to fight. When a guy takes off his wristwatch, watch out!"

Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room.  All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.

[Pakuni]

Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room.  All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.

Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Exactly, but if a job other than SMU is open (Texas or something legitimate down south), it'll be like starting a fire in your living room.  All because you didn't learn from your experience with burning toast.

So what should I have learned from this?  

[Rubie Q]

So what should I have learned from this?  

Don't play with matches?

[Bocephys]

So what should I have learned from this?  

I don't know, this was your analogy.  I just ran with it.

Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.

Wheat, white bread is bad for you now.  Haven't you heard?

[Bocephys]

So what should I have learned from this?  

To actually answer your question:

You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast.  That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.

Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling.  If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room.  A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.

[Pakuni]

To actually answer your question:

You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast.  That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.

Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling.  If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room.  A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.

K-State, Illinois, South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State and Virginia Tech were all open as well, and all are much better gigs than SMU. If Buzz were as hellbent to leave as some here seem to think, he had options.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

To actually answer your question:

You said this whole thing was nothing, and compared it to burnt toast.  That's true because only the SMU job was open, so it didn't matter how poorly the administration has handled everything regarding Buzz in the past year, worst case is is here's here and unhappy because there's nothing worthwhile out there.

Compare that to a year or two from now when much better jobs are available and come calling.  If they continue along with the same tactics that led to burnt toast, it would be akin to starting a fire in your living room.  A much bigger deal with far more repercussions.

I'm just saying a couple of blog posts is more akin to burnt toast than a true house fire.

The reaction from some was more akin to the Chicago fire.

Not all smoke is created equal.

[Lennys Tap]

Are we talking wheat toast or white toast?
It makes a big difference.

That's traditonal toast. And some here agree it makes a big difference. Others say it's bad for you.

[Bocephys]

K-State, Illinois, South Carolina, LSU, Mississippi State and Virginia Tech were all open as well, and all are much better gigs than SMU. If Buzz were as hellbent to leave as some here seem to think, he had options.

None of them were in the ballpark of money he's getting here.  SMU was the only one willing to pony up (pun intended).

[tower912]

No, but I don't think you can say your house is on almost on fire if you smell burned toast.

You would be amazed at the alarm companies that send out alarms for just that thing.   Particularly if the toast is burned in a retirement community.   But you are probably speaking metaphorically. 

[Pakuni]

None of them were in the ballpark of money he's getting here.  SMU was the only one willing to pony up (pun intended).

Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.

[Lennys Tap]

I'm just saying a couple of blog posts is more akin to burnt toast than a true house fire.

The reaction from some was more akin to the Chicago fire.

Not all smoke is created equal.

LOL. Yeah, gimme that Andy Katz, ESPN primo "smoke that we can believe in". After all, his "inside info" has been consistently wrong about MU for, well, forever. The only place/year he didn't have TC going to was IU in 2008 and he's already whiffed several times on Buzz.

[Bocephys]

Illinois offered Shaka Smart $2.6 million/year, which is out of Buzz's ballpark. Frank Martin reportedly is making about $2 million at South Carolina, which is around Buzz's ballpark.

I actually didn't remember Illinois offering Shaka that much money.  Good call.  Though I'd still argue the perfect storm of money available in or adjacent to Texas would have needed to be available, but we'll never know I suppose.