http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/wisconsin-severely-restricts-forward-jarrod-uthoff-transfer-options-180208129.html
While discussing the topic over lunch, without even mentioning Marquette specifically, the trouble-making UW alum stands up to accuse MU of "tampering" and offering such as a defense of Emperor Bo's tyranny. So many things I wanted to say, but in the interest of workplace harmony, I refrained.
(Incidentally, the two allies I have in almost every UW vs. MU pissing match happen to be ND alums. Not necessarily because they respect MU, but because ND alums apparently have even less tolerance for UW BS than MU alums do.)
If scholarships are a "one year contract" to play at a school, it seems like quite the double standard that a player can't opt out of renewing the contract after the one year is up without having to deal with bulshit like this. Bo is quite the douchebag. Is he trying to keep their "secret formula" for boring basketball from the ACC in case Uthoff goes to a school that ends up playing UW in the ACC-B1G Challenge?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18652163/wisconsins-ryan-way-out-of-bounds-with-transfer-restrictions-on-uthoff
Goodman also getting in on the action.
At some point this will hurt recruiting for fence-sitting kids. Would you want to commit to a school that wouldn't let you transfer out if it turns out to be not the right fit?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 18, 2012, 02:52:32 PM
At some point this will hurt recruiting for fence-sitting kids. Would you want to commit to a school that wouldn't let you transfer out if it turns out to be not the right fit?
You've got to assume it will. I'm surprised the negative backlash hasn't caused Bo to recant a few of those schools (or the entire ACC) already. Though, if he just waits a week, the internet will find a new shiny thing to focus on and this will be an afterthought.
Hope the ACC says no one in the whole conference can transfer to UW. What will the football team do for QB.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 18, 2012, 02:52:32 PM
At some point this will hurt recruiting for fence-sitting kids. Would you want to commit to a school that wouldn't let you transfer out if it turns out to be not the right fit?
It hasn't hurt MU, who has to adopt the B.East policy of not letting kids go to other B.East schools. Don't know if it will for Bo.
But...MU can keep a kid from just going within conference. I don't know if they've ever said no to two conferences plus two other deuschy schools.
Quote from: Niv Berkowitz on April 18, 2012, 03:19:36 PM
It hasn't hurt MU, who has to adopt the B.East policy of not letting kids go to other B.East schools. Don't know if it will for Bo.
We haven't added additional conference restrictions yet, which is what we're talking about.
Asking NCAA to step in and change rule, read off Marquette and other schools he forbid in release.
Quote from: attackelite on April 18, 2012, 03:07:21 PM
Hope the ACC says no one in the whole conference can transfer to UW. What will the football team do for QB.
Recruit more running backs!
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on April 18, 2012, 07:49:44 PM
Recruit more running backs!
Wilbon and Kornheiser -- especially Wilbon -- tore Bo a new one on PTI today.
Best part about it is that the author says he might be a future pro. I'm sure that there have been a few future pros who redshirted as freshman but not many.
Quote from: RawdogDX on April 18, 2012, 08:27:36 PM
Best part about it is that the author says he might be a future pro. I'm sure that there have been a few future pros who redshirted as freshman but not many.
Butch, but he was only a pro for about 15 minutes.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on April 18, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
Butch, but he was only a pro for about 15 minutes.
Actually never saw a second of playing time before being released.
Other Big Ten schools - fine
Marquette - also fine
But Iowa State? What's with that?
I believe the reason they picked off Iowa State is because they have an out-of-conference series coming up with them or are in the middle of one currently. Don't get why Bo is making himself look bad by blocking the ACC; wouldn't hurt UW much in terms of coming back to haunt you and it doesn't seem like he wants to go far from home anyway. The kid sure didn't do himself any favors by deciding to announce his transfer when the entire Big 12 is out of scholarships
QuoteI believe the reason they picked off Iowa State is because they have an out-of-conference series coming up with them or are in the middle of one currently.
From other threads and articles I believe the thought is that Bo believes Iowa State tampered with Uthoff prior to his release.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7829399/jarrod-uthoff-wisconsin-badgers-odds-potential-transfer
Apparently, Bo really is a saint and has done nothing wrong.
The impression I get...
B1G - Duh
Marquette - Local rival they play every year
Iowa State - Alleged tampering
ACC - B1G/ACC Challenge
I'm fine with the first two, I guess I can accept the third, though it's kind of crappy to keep the kid from going home, and the fourth, well that's just ridiculous. That's where I think Bo lost the plot. It's like he wants to ban anyone UW might ever play. Hopefully for Uthoff's sake he doesn't realize they could literally draw anyone in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 07:22:28 AM
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7829399/jarrod-uthoff-wisconsin-badgers-odds-potential-transfer
Apparently, Bo really is a saint and has done nothing wrong.
He hasn't done anything technically wrong, it's just a dick move.
Quote from: MU82 on April 18, 2012, 07:54:35 PM
Wilbon and Kornheiser -- especially Wilbon -- tore Bo a new one on PTI today.
Wilbon also said he's got a lawyer ready if Uthoff wants one - just give Wilbon a call and he might even help pay
What I heard was that he didn't want him going to any team that was on their schedule, or would be on their schedule in the foreseeable future. I think that was more the excuse he was using for Iowa State, but it could also be the tampering.
Assuming they make the tournament, they could potentially play anybody, so he is going to have to restrict all of D1.
http://thegazette.com/2012/04/18/aau-coach-bo-ryan-bans-jarrod-uthoff-from-another-school/
Add Florida to the list.
Quote from: dinger on April 19, 2012, 07:47:27 AM
http://thegazette.com/2012/04/18/aau-coach-bo-ryan-bans-jarrod-uthoff-from-another-school/
Add Florida to the list.
Yeah...this is just ridiculous. The kid will sit out next year as a transfer. Heaven forbid Wisconsin might actually have to play against him ONCE in the future. What, is Jarrod Uthoff going to make the entire difference in a season for Wisconsin because he turns up on the roster of one of their non-conference opponents? Might as well ban the entire SWAC, that seems to be Bo's favorite target for his non-con cupcakes.
Bo also got some very unfavorable press from Mike and Mike on ESPN radio this morning.
They are focusing on the ACC ban, and some chatter about Iowa State as well.
If Iowa State tampered, I can understand. Bo, based on the backlash that's happening against him in the national media, should be prepared to justify the Iowa State ban with some proof. Otherwise, this will paint him a very ugly color with other recruits in the future. Other schools will be certain to bring this up with when competing against Wisconsin for recruits.
Just curious but....
...since I barely listen to 540 and have completely shut off 1250 due to the whole "Brawl-Gate" fiasco and dipshite Bill Michaels zapruder-tape innuendo, I wondered are any of the local Milwaukee sports radio guys taking St. Bo to task for this?
Just saw Jeff Goodman's avatar on Twitter is a picture of Jarrod Uthoff. Bo is not earning any popularity points from this asinine behavior.
Quote from: real chili 83 on April 19, 2012, 08:08:38 AM
Bo also got some very unfavorable press from Mike and Mike on ESPN radio this morning.
They are focusing on the ACC ban, and some chatter about Iowa State as well.
If Iowa State tampered, I can understand. Bo, based on the backlash that's happening against him in the national media, should be prepared to justify the Iowa State ban with some proof. Otherwise, this will paint him a very ugly color with other recruits in the future. Other schools will be certain to bring this up with when competing against Wisconsin for recruits.
If I were ISU and they did not tamper, I would go public if Uthoff's appeal is upheld and attack bo and the Badgers for smearing them. Demand proof. Then take it to the NCAA on behalf of Uthoff.
I am going to sit back with some popcorn and watch bo imploud. He is a self centered hot head. He will not back down and will really show his true colors - more than he has to date.
With Florida and "mailbox-gate", this is getting beyond ridiculous. It's fun watching the Badgers trip all over themselves.
FREE JARROD!
Could Uthoff go JUCO for a year then transfer to any school he wanted? Even Iowa State? I'm assuming that Bo's release only effects direct transfers to another D1 program?
Why does the NCAA restrict transfers in the revenue sports by making them sit out a year, but allows direct transfers in the other sports. For example, MU just accepted a transfer in volleyball who can play right away.
Goodman and rovell are ripping bo's interview with mike and mike saying it made it worse. What SID would think a national radio interview is a good idea when you have no logical leg to stand on? Gasoline on a fire...
Quote from: lurch91 on April 19, 2012, 08:59:42 AM
Could Uthoff go JUCO for a year then transfer to any school he wanted? Even Iowa State? I'm assuming that Bo's release only effects direct transfers to another D1 program?
That makes this all the more ridiculous. If he can just do that anyway and go to ISU, why should Bo force the kid to spend a year at a Juco, when he could instead be furthering his education at someplace like ISU. A year at ISU would be better for him from an academic standpoint than a year at a Juco. Again, it only hurts the kid.
Let him go, Bo!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 19, 2012, 09:03:58 AM
Why does the NCAA restrict transfers in the revenue sports by making them sit out a year, but allows direct transfers in the other sports. For example, MU just accepted a transfer in volleyball who can play right away.
It really makes all those "because most of us are going pro in something other than sports" propaganda commercials the NCAA plays during the tourny look foolish. It's all about the kids, unless there's a boatload of money for coaches and administrators involved.
If he and his family are from Iowa, I assume he can pay Iowa State tuition at an "in state" rate if he wants to walk-on for a year.
He could do that, right?
Yes he could do what TJ Taylor did, but he still might not be able to go B10 because of conference rules. The BE for instance prevents its schools from signing transfer from another BE school.
I'm waiting for the day that one of these coaches wants to take a job elsewhere but their current school gives them a list of 20 places they won't be allowed to go.
What a pathetic double standard.
he did a radio interview this morning to explain his "reasoning" and just came off sounding like more of an ass. said he didnt make the rules and is just following them... uh, no, the rules say you CAN block a transfer, doesnt mean you are REQUIRED to... and certainly not to an entire outside conference...
twitter is absolutely destroying him and alvarez today, and i am thoroughly enjoying it...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 19, 2012, 09:11:18 AM
Yes he could do what TJ Taylor did, but he still might not be able to go B10 because of conference rules. The BE for instance prevents its schools from signing transfer from another BE school.
I actually think you can transfer to another conference school, but you have to sit out two years. So it's very cost prohibitive both for the player in terms of development and the school in terms of scholarship allocation. At least it used to be that way, that may have changed though.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on April 19, 2012, 09:10:42 AM
If he and his family are from Iowa, I assume he can pay Iowa State tuition at an "in state" rate if he wants to walk-on for a year.
He could do that, right?
ISU in-state tuition = $6,996 (various a little by major)
Room & Board = $7,472
Why should they have to shell out nearly $15k just because Bo is a vindictive prick?
He sounded like a complete jerk this morning.....hilarious!
Mike and Mike blasted him and now the Herd is as well.
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/04/19/bo-ryan-really-came-off-poorly-defending-himself-on-mike-mike/
Here's a link to some of that interview:
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/04/19/bo-ryan-really-came-off-poorly-defending-himself-on-mike-mike/
Link to the full interview: http://es.pn/J9sJbc
I had no interest in Uthoff previously, but if he gets his release, I'd love to have him at Marquette, just as a nice little F-U to Bo Ryan 8-)
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 09:45:10 AM
Link to the full interview: http://es.pn/J9sJbc
I had no interest in Uthoff previously, but if he gets his release, I'd love to have him at Marquette, just as a nice little F-U to Bo Ryan 8-)
That would be awesome, and would really kick the rivalry into high gear, but cool things like that never happen in real life.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 09:46:32 AM
That would be awesome, and would really kick the rivalry into high gear, but cool things like that never happen in real life.
Can you imagine in 2 years, MU senior Vander Blue coming up to the Kohl along with Jarrod Uthoff to beat Bucky? Of course it will never happen, but it would be awesome.
It's over. UW has lost in every way imaginable. The only way out is to graciously let JU go where he wants. The longer they fight, the worse it gets. So fight on, Bucky!
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
It's over. UW has lost in every way imaginable. The only way out is to graciously let JU go where he wants. The longer they fight, the worse it gets. So fight on, Bucky!
I'm not so sure that's true. Remember the St. Joseph's transfer issue from back in the middle of the season? Everyone was up in arms for a few days, maybe even a week, and then it passed. No one thinks about it now. Bo will take some heat this week, and again when Uthoff announces where he's transferring to, but unless Uthoff blows up at Creghton that will be the end of it. People have very short attention spans and standing your ground is almost better than doubling back, because people will forget.
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 10:43:33 AM
It's over.
It's not over until
Bo says it's over!!!!
Quote from: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
I'm not so sure that's true. Remember the St. Joseph's transfer issue from back in the middle of the season? Everyone was up in arms for a few days, maybe even a week, and then it passed. No one thinks about it now. Bo will take some heat this week, and again when Uthoff announces where he's transferring to, but unless Uthoff blows up at Creghton that will be the end of it. People have very short attention spans and standing your ground is almost better than doubling back, because people will forget.
Also known as the Marquette Method in PR circles
i typically cannot stand M&M, but they were great this morning. rarely to they ever blast thier guests....awesome job closing the interview with. "agree to disagree."
good stuff
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 19, 2012, 09:03:58 AM
Why does the NCAA restrict transfers in the revenue sports by making them sit out a year, but allows direct transfers in the other sports. For example, MU just accepted a transfer in volleyball who can play right away.
Why does the NCAA force a player to sit out a year for transferring when his 1-year scholarship wasn't renewed by the coach? Sometimes things the NCAA does don't make sense.
Quote from: mu-rara on April 19, 2012, 10:55:27 AM
Also known as the Marquette Method in PR circles
One of the best lines. Interesting how MU gets burned locally but national press is more favorable. While UW it is the inverse. Really a bad mistake by UW putting a Bo on who is used to getting his pov across unquestioned locally but he was not prepared for this nationally.
And in listening to Bo, I think he initially handled the question well, but as the interview went on it just got worse....and worse...and worse....
He should have never gone on the radio.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 19, 2012, 09:11:18 AM
The BE for instance prevents its schools from signing transfer from another BE school.
My understanding is you can transfer within BE schools but you have to sit for TWO years. No one would do this so it effectively makes it a ban from transferring.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 09:30:52 AM
Here's a link to some of that interview:
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2012/04/19/bo-ryan-really-came-off-poorly-defending-himself-on-mike-mike/
Just finished watching it ... Bo did a terrible job. He should have never agreed tot the interview.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on April 19, 2012, 11:20:07 AM
Just finished watching it ... Bo did a terrible job. He should have never agreed tot the interview.
If you listen to the whole thing, he said early on that he didn't know what M&M had been talking about, that someone just called him up and asked if he wanted to be on M&M and he said yes. If that's true and he is truly ignorant of just how asinine he looks...wow, I don't even know what to say.
Good article from Goodman about other high-profile transfers:
http://cbsprt.co/HW0n6W
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 19, 2012, 11:05:33 AM
One of the best lines. Interesting how MU gets burned locally but national press is more favorable. While UW it is the inverse. Really a bad mistake by UW putting a Bo on who is used to getting his pov across unquestioned locally but he was not prepared for this nationally.
I was contemplating this over lunch. This is going to have a far larger negative national impact on UW than a bunch of 19-20 year old MU players not drinking in a bar had on MU. AAU coaches/handlers/parents/HS coaches outside the state of Wisconsin are going to have a moment's pause before advocating their talented 16-17-18 year old go play in Madison. Most parents of most kids (outside of Wisonsin, particularly the Milwaukee media market) are going to look at what happened in January as kids being dumb kids. They are going to look at this as a coach and an institution sticking it to a kid who changed his mind. And it will be remembered.
Who has transferred from Wisconsin recently?
Boo Wade
Diamond Taylor
Only two I can think of
Quote from: PTM on April 19, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Who has transferred from Wisconsin recently?
Boo Wade
Diamond Taylor
Only two I can think of
Ian Markolf. Who lost both the will to live, and the desire to play basketball. Until he started playing again.
Quote from: PTM on April 19, 2012, 12:03:20 PM
Who has transferred from Wisconsin recently?
Boo Wade
Diamond Taylor
Only two I can think of
Mickey Perry
Quote from: MUfan12 on April 19, 2012, 12:09:44 PM
Ian Markolf. Who lost both the will to live, and the desire to play basketball. Until he started playing again.
Just used that in a Twitter war.
@adamhogeCBS trying very hard for Bo.
Wait. Situations CAN turn from happy to unhappy in one year? Wow.
Phil Martelli - Philadelphia
Bo Ryan - Philadelphia
Dickholes
Coincidence? I think not
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html
Quote from: PTM on April 19, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
Just used that in a Twitter war.
@adamhogeCBS trying very hard for Bo.
He's a UW alum, which is fine... but it definitely clouds his "professional" opinion.
Before I even knew he was a UW alum, I started reading his twitter during the Big 10 tourny and said "This guy sounds like a badger fan". Then I poked around, and voila! UW guy.
Quote from: PTM on April 19, 2012, 12:14:15 PM
Just used that in a Twitter war.
@adamhogeCBS trying very hard for Bo.
Adamhoge? PRN is a big follower of his. :D
He is an anti-Marquette tool, pro Bo Ryan pro Badger "reporter"
Bo is such a dickshine, big mistake letting him take an interview by himself. He showed who he really is, an angry old fart.
So Bo doesnt know how transfers work, but then spends the next 5 minutes explaining in detail how they work.
So Bo wasnt listening....but then comments on a number of their comments?
That plus everything else he says makes they guy look like a complete idiot!!
Should have stayed on vacation, cant think of a single parent or recruit that would be attarcted to anything he said.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 19, 2012, 12:36:20 PM
Phil Martelli - Philadelphia
Bo Ryan - Philadelphia
Dickholes
Coincidence? I think not
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/basketball/ncaa/12/19/todd.obrien/index.html
Putting Bo in with Philadelphia would be a high compliment if you've ever been to his hometown of Chester. It really is the end of the earth.
Just listened to the interview, love em or hate em, kudos to Greenberg and Golic, fantastic job on their end to call out Ryan and not let him off the hook, really well done.
I know it's a title of another thread, but what SID in their right mind thought it was a good idea for him to go on? From what it sounded like from Ryan, the SID proactively pursued calling into Mike & Mike. One of the worst PR moves I've ever seen, made ten times worse by his response. As the interview went on, it was almost uncomfortable to listen to it, it was that bad.
What's funny/ironic is that how public this has become, it should really hurt them in recruiting. The funny/ironic part is the type of kid Wisco recruits (for the most part) won't be affected by this. They would go play for Bo/Wisco/his system anyway.
I was going to go post this on Scout, but Bo wouldn't allow me to.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 09:14:55 AM
I actually think you can transfer to another conference school, but you have to sit out two years. So it's very cost prohibitive both for the player in terms of development and the school in terms of scholarship allocation. At least it used to be that way, that may have changed though.
When bo tampered with, er, I mean, helped Brust get out of his NLI with Iowa, the Big 10 changed the transfer rules. It no longer is two years and you can receive a scholarship. That is why the Big 10 was included on the list.
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 12:00:21 PM
I was contemplating this over lunch. This is going to have a far larger negative national impact on UW than a bunch of 19-20 year old MU players not drinking in a bar had on MU. AAU coaches/handlers/parents/HS coaches outside the state of Wisconsin are going to have a moment's pause before advocating their talented 16-17-18 year old go play in Madison. Most parents of most kids (outside of Wisconsin, particularly the Milwaukee media market) are going to look at what happened in January as kids being dumb kids. They are going to look at this as a coach and an institution sticking it to a kid who changed his mind. And it will be remembered.
It may, but Bo only recruits in a four state area anyway. They've had so few transfers, I doubt it impacts them much at all. It is fun to watch, especially their fans who are hypocritical with Buzz and Crean's transfers here at MU.
Quote from: MUDish on April 19, 2012, 01:10:16 PM
Just listened to the interview, love em or hate em, kudos to Greenberg and Golic, fantastic job on their end to call out Ryan and not let him off the hook, really well done.
I know it's a title of another thread, but what SID in their right mind thought it was a good idea for him to go on? From what it sounded like from Ryan, the SID proactively pursued calling into Mike & Mike. One of the worst PR moves I've ever seen, made ten times worse by his response. As the interview went on, it was almost uncomfortable to listen to it, it was that bad.
What's funny/ironic is that how public this has become, it should really hurt them in recruiting. The funny/ironic part is the type of kid Wisco recruits (for the most part) won't be affected by this. They would go play for Bo/Wisco/his system anyway.
I was going to go post this on Scout, but Bo wouldn't allow me to.
I have done crisis management training in the past. All I could think of through the whole interview is making UW a client. WOW that was as bad a decision, AND preparation, as I have ever witnessed. We have blasted MU's PR Dept on this board. I think UW's might be even worse.
So, the local sports radio show this morning, in a state 4 states away from Wisconsin, with one of the guys a former NFL player, a show that previously only mentions Bo Ryan when they play Sparty/UM or during a B1G preview show, spent 1/2 hour this morning slagging Bo Ryan. The former NFL player, whose children are probably going to play collegiate athletics, though probably not at a B1G level, flat out said that he would never let a kid of his play for Bo.
This isn't teenagers not drinking in a bar. This isn't an ordinary transfer. Transfers happen all of the time and are an accepted part of D1 collegiate athletics. Lord knows that MU has had enough of them over the years. This is a coach sticking it to a 19 year old out of spite. To think this won't have repercussions or isn't a complete disaster for UW (possibly worse on a national scale than the handshake, which seems wrong to me) is simply naive. I expect that MU will have a transfer at the end of the semester, maybe 2. I expect they will be handled maturely. If Buzz even hints at the kind of crap that Bo is pulling, I will be as critical of him as I am of Bo.
Quote from: MUMac on April 19, 2012, 01:17:36 PM
I have done crisis management training in the past. All I could think of through the whole interview is making UW a client. WOW that was as bad a decision, AND preparation, as I have ever witnessed. We have blasted MU's PR Dept on this board. I think UW's might be even worse.
I can't get past the fact that UW called into Mike and Mike to get Bo on, and not the other way around. That blows my mind here. If you take Bo at his word from that interview, it sounds like he literally got off a treadmill, was handed a phone, and told to defend the program, with ZERO prep.
In a weird way, it was great, he was raw, and exposed how ignorant and stubborn he was. I just can not believe someone at UW thought this was a good idea. Amazing.
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
I expect that MU will have a transfer at the end of the semester, maybe 2. I expect they will be handled maturely. If Buzz even hints at the kind of crap that Bo is pulling, I will be as critical of him as I am of Bo.
One thing I guarantee, if MU has a transfer. The local press will dice and dissect who MU has on the list and use it to defend bo and attack Buzz and MU. What a pathetic excuse for the state press we have in Wisconsin.
http://annarbor.com/sports/um-basketball/michigan-clarifies-john-beileins-preference-on-transfer-destinations/?cmpid=mlive-@mlive-sports#incart_more_sports
Michigan feels need to defend itself after a national reporter called Beilein "Bo-esque." Yup, time to get in front of the story if your coach is called Bo-esque.
Quote from: MUMac on April 19, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
One thing I guarantee, if MU has a transfer. The local press will dice and dissect who MU has on the list and use it to defend bo and attack Buzz and MU. What a pathetic excuse for the state press we have in Wisconsin.
I think they'll have a hard time doing that. I honestly don't think there will even be a list. You don't need to list the rest of the Big East, as a player would have to sit out 2 years. Is there any BE school that would let any of our players take up a scholarship for 2 years so that they can get them for the years after, albeit with one less year of eligibility? The BE rule basically means we don't have to list any of our in-league schools. And what about the rest of the country? Is there a player on our team that would want to transfer anywhere in-state? Maybe Vander, but we know he wouldn't go to Wisconsin considering the history there, and I can't imagine him going to Milwaukee or Green Bay. Even if he did, would Buzz really block one player from going to a Horizon League school? I doubt it.
Anyone that transfers out of Marquette will be able to pick from any of the other 344 Division 1 schools in the country, with the only exceptions I could imagine being if there are tampering charges.
Quote from: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
I'm not so sure that's true. Remember the St. Joseph's transfer issue from back in the middle of the season? Everyone was up in arms for a few days, maybe even a week, and then it passed. No one thinks about it now. Bo will take some heat this week, and again when Uthoff announces where he's transferring to, but unless Uthoff blows up at Creghton that will be the end of it. People have very short attention spans and standing your ground is almost better than doubling back, because people will forget.
Wasn't there an issue with the kid from St Joe's that wasn't covered at first by the mainstream media. If my memory is correct, once the other side of the story was told, the story died quickly.
Does anyone remember the "full"story?
Quote from: Bocephys on April 19, 2012, 10:52:38 AM
I'm not so sure that's true. Remember the St. Joseph's transfer issue from back in the middle of the season? Everyone was up in arms for a few days, maybe even a week, and then it passed. No one thinks about it now. Bo will take some heat this week, and again when Uthoff announces where he's transferring to, but unless Uthoff blows up at Creghton that will be the end of it. People have very short attention spans and standing your ground is almost better than doubling back, because people will forget.
It will be mentioned when Uthoff is playing on TV (although, with what bo is allowing, do they televise NAIA games?). It will also be mentioned on some broadcasts next year of UW games.
This is not comparable to the St. Joes situation, as the firestorm here is much greater.
The transfer ban has been lifted, according to Andy Katz. Uthoff is now free to transfer to any non-Big 10 schools.
Quote from: Andy KatzWisconsin met with Jarrod Uthoff and has announced that all transfer restrictions have been lifted except for Big Ten schools.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 19, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
The transfer ban has been lifted, according to Andy Katz. Uthoff is now free to transfer to any non-Big 10 schools.
Including Marquette?
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 02:09:53 PM
Including Marquette?
If Katz is to be believed...he did say "any" non-B1G schools.
Synopsis of Jarrod Uthoff transfer and appeal process
April 19, 2012
Here is a brief synopsis of the transfer and appeal process as it pertains to Jarrod Uthoff.
It is incorrect that Uthoff requested "permission to contact" 25 schools. He has requested "permission to contact" 16 schools, 4 of which were denied.
Uthoff appealed 3 of the 4 schools that were denied.
Uthoff visited with both Associate Athletic Director Justin Doherty and Director of Athletics Barry Alvarez Thursday morning as part of the appeal process.
Doherty, Alvarez and head coach Bo Ryan then met and collectively came to a decision that the University of Wisconsin Athletic Department has lifted "permission to contact" restrictions on ANY school outside of the Big Ten Conference.
Ryan is supportive of denials of Big Ten institutions only and has wanted the appeals process to serve as a means for dialogue to occur between Uthoff and UW Athletics administration.
Uthoff has been notified of these decisions.
If Uthoff wishes to further appeal the "permission to contact" denial to any Big Ten university, he may request a hearing to the Chair of the Athletic Board within 8 business days.
Sure, that's exactly how it went down.
http://www.uwbadgers.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/041912aab.html
Hmm...wonder which four and which three. I figure Florida, Iowa State, and Marquette were three of the four. It wouldn't surprise me if Iowa was the one he requested, was denied, and didn't appeal. The other school that could have been in the mix was Virginia, though from the sounds of things, Bennett contacted Wisconsin for permission to contact Uthoff.
Alvarez must have whipped Bo's ass today. I wonder if Ryan is contemplating leaving?
Quote from: MUMac on April 19, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
One thing I guarantee, if MU has a transfer. The local press will dice and dissect who MU has on the list and use it to defend bo and attack Buzz and MU. What a pathetic excuse for the state press we have in Wisconsin.
Other than some slight vindictiveness or stubborness on Ryan's part, the whole situation is much more telling of the state of Wisconsin's sports media. Nearly every sports team in the state gets treated with kid gloves. The problem with that is there is no quality control. Then when the national media gets a hold of something they are completely unprepared.
In many other states the coach of the state school would have been skewered long before this went national. The coach would have relented, and problem solved. Didn't happen in this case. And now Badger fans are shocked by the media's reaction. Welcome to the real world Wisconsin sports fans.
A day later, still getting pounded on local sports radio 4 states away. Put a smile on my face and a song in my heart.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 19, 2012, 06:12:26 PM
Alvarez must have whipped Bo's ass today. I wonder if Ryan is contemplating leaving?
Bo isn't going anywhere. He would never 'leave' UW.
If anything, he'd hang it up and retire.
Quote from: MUMac on April 19, 2012, 01:31:30 PM
One thing I guarantee, if MU has a transfer. The local press will dice and dissect who MU has on the list and use it to defend bo and attack Buzz and MU. What a pathetic excuse for the state press we have in Wisconsin.
The local print media will make it a small footnote. Something like "MU student ______ decided to transfer today, simlar to what Utoff did at Wisconsin did just a short time ago, bla bla bla". The national radio/TV media won't cover it. The talking wonks on local sports radio however will go nuts.
If mu has a transfer buzz will not place restrictions. He has the BE two year rule to fall back on.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 20, 2012, 08:09:20 AM
Bo isn't going anywhere. He would never 'leave' UW.
If anything, he'd hang it up and retire.
Bo Ryan will only leave UW when the ship captain returns to take him and his coffin home to
Trans Pennsylvania.
Quote from: speri on April 19, 2012, 03:02:52 PM
Ryan is supportive of denials of Big Ten institutions only and has wanted the appeals process to serve as a means for dialogue to occur between Uthoff and UW Athletics administration.
And by "dialogue" Bo really meant:
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Quote from: CaptainAwesome on April 20, 2012, 07:05:40 PM
And by "dialogue" Bo really meant:
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Subsequent interviews continue to show him as an out of touch buffoon. Or, worse, a disingenuous out of touch mean spirited buffoon.
http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/04/21/12/Uthoff-I-wanted-to-do-this-in-person/landing_badgers.html?blockID=714002&feedID=10144
For all the talk on here from people trying to slag Buzz that kids are coached to say nice things on their way out the door, this gives a distinctly different impression. Apparently, if asked open questions, they give honest answers. Maybe, just maybe, Buzz really does look after these kids and does maintain relationships with them after they no longer play for him. Reading this and the other stuff that has come out this last week, I have come to believe that Bo was the source for the article trashing Vander when he de-committed. Compare this article to the blowjob that Potrykus gave Bo in yesterday's MJS. What a couple of tools.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2012, 09:37:06 AM
http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/04/21/12/Uthoff-I-wanted-to-do-this-in-person/landing_badgers.html?blockID=714002&feedID=10144
Reading this and the other stuff that has come out this last week, I have come to believe that Bo was the source for the article trashing Vander when he de-committed.
Bingo
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2012, 09:37:06 AM
Compare this article to the blowjob that Potrykus gave Bo in yesterday's MJS. What a couple of tools.
Unlike Enlund, Potrykus is on Twitter! jaypo1961
I'm sure he - like all Bucky mouthpieces - would appreciate constructive feedback on journalistic integrity and fairness. ::)
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on April 22, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Unlike Enlund, Potrykus is on Twitter! jaypo1961
I'm sure he - like all Bucky mouthpieces - would appreciate constructive feedback on journalistic integrity and fairness. ::)
@tenlund (https://twitter.com/#!/tenlund) :o :o :o
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 22, 2012, 01:58:22 PM
@tenlund (https://twitter.com/#!/tenlund) :o :o :o
My head just exploded.
Hole gets deeper for Bo and UW. Of course everyone knewmhenwas lying once exposed anyway, so Uthoff's comments should come as a surprise to no one.
http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/04/21/12/Uthoff-I-wanted-to-do-this-in-person/landing_badgers.html?blockID=714002&feedID=5068 (http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/04/21/12/Uthoff-I-wanted-to-do-this-in-person/landing_badgers.html?blockID=714002&feedID=5068)
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on April 22, 2012, 01:32:29 PM
Unlike Enlund, Potrykus is on Twitter! jaypo1961
I'm sure he - like all Bucky mouthpieces - would appreciate constructive feedback on journalistic integrity and fairness. ::)
Help an old guy out. I have never tweeted (is that the verb?) in my life. How would one tweet jaypo1961? It was a big step for me to get Facebook in the last 12 months and I am still not crazy about it. Twitter is like the forbidden forest for me and I swore never to go there. Convince me why and how.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 23, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Help an old guy out. I have never tweeted (is that the verb?) in my life. How would one tweet jaypo1961? It was a big step for me to get Facebook in the last 12 months and I am still not crazy about it. Twitter is like the forbidden forest for me and I swore never to go there. Convince me why and how.
You would need to create a Twitter account. Then basically write a message to him (under 160 characters).
I swore off Twitter myself, however found there is a lot information out there. Recruiting is all over Twitter, athletes are all over Twitter, so much to be found. I don't do much interaction unless it's with Adam Hoge trying to defend Bo Ryan.
This is a pretty good guide:
http://mashable.com/guidebook/twitter/
Quote from: Hoopaloop on April 23, 2012, 04:03:45 PM
Help an old guy out. I have never tweeted (is that the verb?) in my life. How would one tweet jaypo1961? It was a big step for me to get Facebook in the last 12 months and I am still not crazy about it. Twitter is like the forbidden forest for me and I swore never to go there. Convince me why and how.
First create a Twitter account, something you will remember...
perhaps, 'CBBisHoop'?
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2012, 01:25:07 PM
So, the local sports radio show this morning, in a state 4 states away from Wisconsin, with one of the guys a former NFL player, a show that previously only mentions Bo Ryan when they play Sparty/UM or during a B1G preview show, spent 1/2 hour this morning slagging Bo Ryan.
Which state?
Michigan.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2012, 04:26:41 PM
Michigan.
Sorry I was confused with the 4 states away. Isn't it only 3 states away? But technically they do border each other in a completely strange kind of way. ;)
OK, one state away.....on one side. I rarely think of that way. 200 miles from here to Madison as the crow flies with that pesky lake in the way, if you want to look at it that way.
I went to UofM and always thought of WI being a next door state. Having said which, I don't think Michiganders give much thought to what goes on in WI. Except for the Yoopers who are more like the folks in northern WI in almost every way. Hell, Yoopers cheer for the Pack and Brewers.
I think the 4 states away was just a bit of hyperbole.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 23, 2012, 05:22:31 PM
I went to UofM and always thought of WI being a next door state. Having said which, I don't think Michiganders give much thought to what goes on in WI. Except for the Yoopers who are more like the folks in northern WI in almost every way. Hell, Yoopers cheer for the Pack and Brewers.
I think the 4 states away was just a bit of hyperbole.
I'm going to take this Waaaaaay off topic, but is lake Michigan half Wisconsin's and half Michigan's or are the state borders where the shorelines are?
Quote from: romey on April 23, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
I'm going to take this Waaaaaay off topic, but is lake Michigan half Wisconsin's and half Michigan's or are the state borders where the shorelines are?
Maps show the border running down the middle of the lake.
With Indiana carving out a small corner.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 23, 2012, 09:29:44 PM
Maps show the border running down the middle of the lake.
How'd they get the naming rights? Heck, we didn't even get Superior.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 23, 2012, 09:29:44 PM
Maps show the border running down the middle of the lake.
So Tower, you're not four states away - you're a border state! :o
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 23, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
How'd they get the naming rights? Heck, we didn't even get Superior.
Well, Bucky fans certainly think it was named after them. ;D
Quote from: romey on April 23, 2012, 09:11:05 PM
I'm going to take this Waaaaaay off topic, but is lake Michigan half Wisconsin's and half Michigan's or are the state borders where the shorelines are?
I think Illinois may also border the lake.
Quote from: buckchuckler on April 23, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
I think Illinois may also border the lake.
As does a corner of Indiana.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 24, 2012, 07:09:06 AM
hehe
D'oh :D
That's what I get for just looking at the last couple posts ;)
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 23, 2012, 09:44:41 PM
How'd they get the naming rights? Heck, we didn't even get Superior.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_(proposed_U.S._state)
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 23, 2012, 09:29:44 PM
Maps show the border running down the middle of the lake.
Hey...that means Wisconsin also borders Canada right???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 24, 2012, 08:57:12 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_(proposed_U.S._state)
Hey...that means Wisconsin also borders Canada right???
I seem to recall reading that MI has fought border skirmishes with both Ohio and WI. Of course back in the 1800's.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 24, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
I seem to recall reading that MI has fought border skirmishes with both Ohio and WI. Of course back in the 1800's.
Was the loser forced to take the UP?
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 24, 2012, 05:13:37 PM
I seem to recall reading that MI has fought border skirmishes with both Ohio and WI. Of course back in the 1800's.
Correct on the Ohio front at least. I believe they fought over Toledo of all places.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 25, 2012, 10:05:08 AM
Was the loser forced to take the UP?
You betcha der, hey! Too yet, aina?
Michigan wanted Toledo. We ended up with the UP. Kind of a no-win situation, if you ask me.
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
Michigan wanted Toledo. We ended up with the UP. Kind of a no-win situation, if you ask me.
The UP is actually quite beautiful. I remember reading Hemingway's Nick Adams stories and then heading up to the UP to fly fish. I had learned to fly fish in WY where the rivers run very different. UP streams are deeper so the fish behave differently. Got skunked until we started using live crickets. Then we started whacking 'em. Pan fried trout for breakfast? You betcha dupa!
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 25, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
The UP is actually quite beautiful. I remember reading Hemingway's Nick Adams stories and then heading up to the UP to fly fish. I had learned to fly fish in WY where the rivers run very different. UP streams are deeper so the fish behave differently. Got skunked until we started using live crickets. Then we started whacking 'em. Pan fried trout for breakfast? You betcha dupa!
I go to the UP snowmobiling all the time and it is very beautiful and great trails. Been going for 15 years now and the bar/restaurant owners know us by name and the locals are as friendly as can be, great people there. Never been fly fishing but do have friends that go there all the time for that and they just love it.
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2012, 07:19:39 PM
Michigan wanted Toledo. We ended up with the UP. Kind of a no-win situation, if you ask me.
In the not too distant future, when fresh water is gold, you will tell a different tale.
Anybody ever go to the Palding Light in Watersmeet (home of the Nimrods...they're very proud of that). Most overrated "site" ever. Just looks like a star. Have never seen it move or change colors or flicker or take off into the sky like it's rumored to. And then when you try to walk up the hill towards it people start yelling at you and saying you're going to ruin it for everyone, that it'll disappear. Makes sense since it's a porch light and the locals don't want the secret ruined.
The real site seeing is at Bon Falls right around there.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2012, 08:56:06 PM
Anybody ever go to the Palding Light in Watersmeet (home of the Nimrods...they're very proud of that). Most overrated "site" ever. Just looks like a star. Have never seen it move or change colors or flicker or take off into the sky like it's rumored to. And then when you try to walk up the hill towards it people start yelling at you and saying you're going to ruin it for everyone, that it'll disappear. Makes sense since it's a porch light and the locals don't want the secret ruined.
The real site seeing is at Bon Falls right around there.
Been to Roger's Bar in Watersmeet snowmobiling for many years and they all laugh every time we bring up the "Palding Light". Bon Falls is way cool in the winter.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 25, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
In the not too distant future, when fresh water is gold, you will tell a different tale.
Living in the desert I totally agree! People here say water will be the new oil (or gold)!
The Buck Inn in Escanaba.
ZFB loves the UP.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2012, 08:56:06 PM
Anybody ever go to the Palding Light in Watersmeet (home of the Nimrods...they're very proud of that). Most overrated "site" ever. Just looks like a star. Have never seen it move or change colors or flicker or take off into the sky like it's rumored to. And then when you try to walk up the hill towards it people start yelling at you and saying you're going to ruin it for everyone, that it'll disappear. Makes sense since it's a porch light and the locals don't want the secret ruined.
The real site seeing is at Bon Falls right around there.
Bond falls and Agate falls are both very cool. Sylvania Park(Natl or state?) is also beautiful.
http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/04/yoopers_get_upset_that_pure_mi.html
A Bitchin' Yooper is a Happy Yooper
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on April 25, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
In the not too distant future, when fresh water is gold, you will tell a different tale.
That's what that former Governor of Wisconsin used to say. His name was Lee, I think, and he wore a red vest. I think he had something to do with UW - Stevens Point. Anyhow, this is when the Rust Belt was blleding jobs to the Sun Belt and the WI Gov kept saying that the Sun Belt would run out of water resulting in an exodus back north. Never happened.
Quote from: warthog-driver on April 30, 2012, 08:12:20 PM
That's what that former Governor of Wisconsin used to say. His name was Lee, I think, and he wore a red vest. I think he had something to do with UW - Stevens Point. Anyhow, this is when the Rust Belt was blleding jobs to the Sun Belt and the WI Gov kept saying that the Sun Belt would run out of water resulting in an exodus back north. Never happened.
Dreyfus.
Time will tell. How are things in Texas, water wise, these days?