The Bears just swung a trade for Brandon Marshall. That is a good move for them.
For 2 third round picks.
What a steal! Now the Bears can sign Mario Williams ;D :o
It's pretty darn impressive. Younger, cheaper, more consistent than Vincent Jackson. And they're still 16 million under the cap. Can still make a run at Mario Williams if they want.
Quote from: damuts222 on March 13, 2012, 03:23:58 PM
What a steal! Now the Bears can sign Mario Williams ;D :o
This is ABSOLUTELY what they're going to try and pull off.
a freaking STEAL to get marshall for only 2 3rd rounders. and he came cheaper than vincent jackson.
EDIT: beat me to it waderoy
ESPN is saying Mario Williams has a scheduled visit to of all places Buffalo.
and now marshall and cutler are reunited. plus they have the QB coach from when they were in denver as well.
Yikes, the NFC North just got a lot more talented. Don't the Bears still have to pay Forte too? Can they afford him and Super Mario?
Quote from: Bocephys on March 13, 2012, 03:46:21 PM
Yikes, the NFC North just got a lot more talented. Don't the Bears still have to pay Forte too? Can they afford him and Super Mario?
Franchised him.
Ruh roh
HBalzer721
Amidst the madness, according to league source, Packers DE Mike Neal suspended for for first four games of 2012 season
Great move for the Bears. I don't see them getting Mario Williams in light of this. Would probably leave too many other holes unfilled...S, CB, OLine. Definitely got a lot better though.
Quote from: in_lazar_we_trust on March 13, 2012, 04:28:49 PM
Ruh roh
HBalzer721
Amidst the madness, according to league source, Packers DE Mike Neal suspended for for first four games of 2012 season
Consider him cut.
Bears in talks with Jason Campbell and LaRon Landry. Both pretty good moves, assuming the money is right. Landry will compete for starting spot and adds needed depth to safety. Campbell is a very nice get for backup QB - hoping to avoid the crap that happened last year.
Edit: Jason Campbell agreed to 1 year deal.
Very good day for the Bears so far, don't think Mario Williams is coming though. Wait until you see the money Buffalo is going to pay him, it will blow your mind. Hearing it will be close to $100 million, with possibly $50 million guaranteed, it's insane. Peppers got $42 mil guaranteed when the Bears signed him.
Bears trying hard to sign Mincey, which would be a very good Plan B to Williams.
That VJax deal was incredible too. I realize teams have money to spend and bad teams like the Bucs/Bills have to overpay, but thought that was a ton (but that was the market price I suppose).
resident dolphins fan here... frack.
I love it when teams go out and spend all kinds of money on free agents.
Its known to work out really well.
Awesome that the story under the Marshall signing on ESPN is about him giving some girl at the club a black eye. Sheesh.
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 14, 2012, 06:55:23 AM
Awesome that the story under the Marshall signing on ESPN is about him giving some girl at the club a black eye. Sheesh.
I am totally shocked that a guy who was stabbed in the stomach and had to sit out time for it also would punch a woman in a club.
totally shocked.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 14, 2012, 07:07:40 AM
I am totally shocked that a guy who was stabbed in the stomach and had to sit out time for it also would punch a woman in a club.
totally shocked.
Hey at least that was his wife.
QuoteI am totally shocked that a guy who was stabbed in the stomach and had to sit out time for it also would punch a woman in a club.
totally shocked.
Lets wait and see. The fight was with another NFL player. Yet, I believe his wife was the one who stabbed him in the stomach.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 14, 2012, 05:07:18 AM
I love it when teams go out and spend all kinds of money on free agents.
Its known to work out really well.
Bears need a #1 receiver. None of the current players are that category. Only legit FA available was Jackson and he got $11.1 million/year. Bears trade two 3rds (essentially greg olsen and a future 3rd) for Marshall for 3 years at ~$8.5 million a year.
It's a great trade. Especially with the familiarity of Marshall-Cutler-Bates.
Quote from: socrplar125 on March 14, 2012, 09:38:54 AM
Bears need a #1 receiver. None of the current players are that category. Only legit FA available was Jackson and he got $11.1 million/year. Bears trade two 3rds (essentially greg olsen and a future 3rd) for Marshall for 3 years at ~$8.5 million a year.
It's a great trade. Especially with the familiarity of Marshall-Cutler-Bates.
Oh, I know what the trade is.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 13, 2012, 03:10:20 PM
The Bears just swung a trade for Brandon Marshall. That is a good move for them.
So what you're saying is, you support abusing women
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nfl_receiver_marshall_slugs_woman_Ad0Ydwu0KcuIXf8PiXfiIO (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/nfl_receiver_marshall_slugs_woman_Ad0Ydwu0KcuIXf8PiXfiIO)
Decent move for the Bears. Now if they could find a quarterback they may start to worry me.
Quote from: JimmyB! on March 14, 2012, 12:48:57 PM
Decent move for the Bears. Now if they could find a quarterback they may start to worry me.
Yawn
I'm not so good at the internets. Is this the place where I say, 'I told you so', to everyone who said Matt Flynn wouldn't get signed this offseason to be a starting QB? I think this is the place.
Just kidding, I'm real good at the internets.
Per Adam Shefter...
Peyton Manning to Denver. Tim Tebow to be traded.
So much for the Broncos savior.. and Elway's conviction to Tebow
this was the perfect opportunity for Broncos brass - they've wanted out of Tebow since they inherited him from the McDaniels regime. The Peyton scenario is literally the only solution within the realm of possibility that could allow them to ship Tebow off without a total fan coup.
If Peyton is really seeking a Super Bowl, doesn't SF make a lot more sense than Denver?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 19, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
If Peyton is really seeking a Super Bowl, doesn't SF make a lot more sense than Denver?
He might think the best shot is the AFC at this point.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 19, 2012, 11:44:08 AM
If Peyton is really seeking a Super Bowl, doesn't SF make a lot more sense than Denver?
Staying in the AFC he avoids playing his brother in the playoffs. Since no one wants to play QB for Miami maybe Tebow goes back to his home state and plays for Miami or maybe JAX.
Quote from: MUMac on March 19, 2012, 11:45:50 AM
He might think the best shot is the AFC at this point.
possibly. I just think SF is a better team by far. Defense, RB, OLine, etc. Maybe Eli was that big of a deal to him.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 19, 2012, 10:56:28 AM
Per Adam Shefter...
Peyton Manning to Denver. Tim Tebow to be traded.
So much for the Broncos savior.. and Elway's conviction to Tebow
Why wouldn't they just keep tebow as the backup and have peyton teach him how to actually pass the ball?
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 20, 2012, 12:53:14 PM
Why wouldn't they just keep tebow as the backup and have peyton teach him how to actually pass the ball?
Its because the Broncos are sick of actually having Tebow on the roster, and all the fan pressure that comes with it. They feel like they're stuck with him and don't want to have him sitting on the sidelines as the savior-in-waiting. If in a year or two, Peyton's neck explodes (probably at least a 50/50 chance) then they're right back where they started. Also 50/50 is that Tebow never learns to become a decent pocket passer, again in which case the Broncs are stuck with him. Bringing Peyton in and quickly rushing Tebow out the door is the only chance the Broncos front office has to get rid of him without taking a huge hit for it.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 20, 2012, 01:32:30 PM
Its because the Broncos are sick of actually having Tebow on the roster, and all the fan pressure that comes with it. They feel like they're stuck with him and don't want to have him sitting on the sidelines as the savior-in-waiting. If in a year or two, Peyton's neck explodes (probably at least a 50/50 chance) then they're right back where they started. Also 50/50 is that Tebow never learns to become a decent pocket passer, again in which case the Broncs are stuck with him. Bringing Peyton in and quickly rushing Tebow out the door is the only chance the Broncos front office has to get rid of him without taking a huge hit for it.
And they don't want the Tebow fanatics to be screaming for him to play in place of Manning.
Sean Payton suspended for a year and they lose 2 2nd round picks.
Tebow and maybe a 7th round pick to the Jets for a 4th round pick and 6th round pick.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on March 21, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Sean Payton suspended for a year and they lose 2 2nd round picks.
Tebow to the Jets for a 4th round pick.
Gregg Williams suspended indefinitely - Goodell will decide on possible reinstatement at conclusion of 2012 season. Saints' GM suspended 8 regular season games without pay. $500,000 fine. Assitant head coach Vitt suspended first 6 games.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on March 21, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Tebow to the Jets for a 4th round pick.
Somebody needs to tell Jets management that making SportsCenter headlines doesn't correlate to winning.
The Sanchez/Tebow QB derby is going to be a circus for the ages.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 12:26:11 PM
Somebody needs to tell Jets management that making SportsCenter headlines doesn't correlate to winning.
The Sanchez/Tebow QB derby is going to be a circus for the ages.
ESPN's collective head exploded at the thought of Tebow in NYC.
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Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 21, 2012, 12:37:20 PM
ESPN's collective head exploded at the thought of Tebow in NYC.
I hope ESPN paid the Jets to make this trade... Because from a football perspective, it makes zero sense.
Sanchez is already a besieged QB that Jets fans want thrown to the wolves... Why are the Jets bringing in a extremely polarizing backup QB that fans are going to rally around? It would be one thing if Tebow was better than Sanchez, but that's not the case.
If I was a Giants or Pats fan, I would be laughing my butt off right now.
Hey everyone, did you hear that?
That was the sound of the Saints becoming the 'Aints again.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2012, 12:47:37 PM
I hope ESPN paid the Jets to make this trade... Because from a football perspective, it makes zero sense.
Sanchez is already a besieged QB that Jets fans want thrown to the wolves... Why are the Jets bringing in a extremely polarizing backup QB that fans are going to rally around? It would be one thing if Tebow was better than Sanchez, but that's not the case.
If I was a Giants or Pats fan, I would be laughing my butt off right now.
Jets and Broncos hit a snag in Tebow's contract. Could nullify the deal and potentially Tebow could be headed to St. Louis. As a Jets fan, I really hope this happens - I have zero interest in adding Tebow.
Quote from: copious1218 on March 21, 2012, 04:30:00 PM
Jets and Broncos hit a snag in Tebow's contract. Could nullify the deal and potentially Tebow could be headed to St. Louis. As a Jets fan, I really hope this happens - I have zero interest in adding Tebow.
How do they even reach an agreement on a deal without knowing about the $5 million payback clause?
Tebow may go to Jacksonville now, where he will be a "god" status.
BTW, Payton loses 7.5 Million..........plus any incentives.......Holy crap.
Quote from: Bocephys on March 21, 2012, 04:35:08 PM
How do they even reach an agreement on a deal without knowing about the $5 million payback clause?
No idea. I didn't get a chance to read anything about it so I did not know what the snag was, just heard about it from a friend.
Quote from: nyg on March 21, 2012, 04:35:45 PM
Tebow may go to Jacksonville now, where he will be a "god" status.
Jags have to get this done from a ticket sale perspective, not from a football perspective. (speaking as a Jaguar season ticket holder.)
Quote from: nyg on March 21, 2012, 04:35:45 PM
BTW, Payton loses 7.5 Million..........plus any incentives.......Holy crap.
From a football perspective, do you have to fire him? What good does it do to have a coach that isn't around the team for a year? The discontinuity of his not being there would be immense. I think he's a great coach, but to have the franchise move on for a year then have him back seems like more uncertainty and discontinuity than firing him and moving on.
Man oh man, what wild day in the NFL.
Can't believe Tebow picked the Jets over Jags, on so many different levels, blows my mind. The whole Tebow "thing", between the cult following, sucking as a QB, but a decent/good NFL player otherwise, being allowed to pick the team he was going to be traded to and picking the seemingly terrible situation vs the seemingly perfect situation...only Tebow.
Still to come for the Saints are the player suspensions, which could be just as crippling.
Lost in the shuffle was RG3's pro day. Not that pro day's mean a ton, but hearing he blew people away.
Considering how crazy this offseason has been, would the Colts actually end up taking RG3 over Luck?
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
Man oh man, what wild day in the NFL.
Can't believe Tebow picked the Jets over Jags, on so many different levels, blows my mind. The whole Tebow "thing", between the cult following, sucking as a QB, but a decent/good NFL player otherwise, being allowed to pick the team he was going to be traded to and picking the seemingly terrible situation vs the seemingly perfect situation...only Tebow.
Still to come for the Saints are the player suspensions, which could be just as crippling.
Lost in the shuffle was RG3's pro day. Not that pro day's mean a ton, but hearing he blew people away.
Considering how crazy this offseason has been, would the Colts actually end up taking RG3 over Luck?
Hey, thank you. I always respect your NFL analysis, and entirely missed the RG3 stuff today.
What do you think about MUBurrow's comments on Sean? That franchise has gone through so much.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on March 21, 2012, 08:23:39 PM
Hey, thank you. I always respect your NFL analysis, and entirely missed the RG3 stuff today.
What do you think about MUBurrow's comments on Sean? That franchise has gone through so much.
Much appreciated, thank you Sir.
Saints stuff is surprising, not shocking. I don't think Gregg Williams coaches ever again in the league. Not that he'll be suspended for life, between his age and now soured reputation, I think he never coaches again.
The Payton stuff...I don't think (right now at least) they could legally terminate him. Losing Vitti for 6 games hurts as well, as he was their assistant head coach. Who coaches the team now? Vitti would be this year's head coach, but he'll be gone for the first 6 games.
That said, I can't see them letting Payton go long term for now. Brees still has to sign (he has an exclusive franchise tender). Brees loves him, and my guess is he re-signs knowing Payton will be back next year.
I'm going to boldly predict Colts take RG3 over Luck. In the craziest of crazy NFL offseasons I've ever seen, I think this would be the icing on the cake.
Also of note from today in the NFL, possibly moving trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8, and adjusting injured reserved rule to allow players injured in Week 1 to be placed on IR and return after Week 8 of the same season.
Tebow to Jets has been finalized. Worked through the earlier snag. Still makes no sense.
Terry Malone, the tight ends coach for the Saints, is the younger brother of Kevin Malone, who was on Marquette's freshman team in the 70's. Great family. Detroit folks, I think
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2012, 08:57:12 PM
Also of note from today in the NFL, possibly moving trade deadline from Week 6 to Week 8, and adjusting injured reserved rule to allow players injured in Week 1 to be placed on IR and return after Week 8 of the same season.
I am pulling this from the Green Bay Press Gazette, but here is their interpretation of the IR rule change:
"* Adding an injured reserve category in which if a player is carried on the roster through the first weekend of the regular season, that player could be placed on a reserve list and be allowed to practice six weeks later and play two weeks after that. It would be limited to one player per season."
Looks like the injury can occur after Week 1, but the player needs to be on the roster through the 1st weekend.
Thanks for the clarification, didn't know it was one player per season either.
Question for Pack fans...was the interest in Tebow by GB real? Couldn't fathom that for a second. You have the best player in the NFL on your roster, and while you do need a back up QB, still couldn't imagine Tebow there.
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
Thanks for the clarification, didn't know it was one player per season either.
Question for Pack fans...was the interest in Tebow by GB real? Couldn't fathom that for a second. You have the best player in the NFL on your roster, and while you do need a back up QB, still couldn't imagine Tebow there.
I have to imagine any actual interest would have been as a short-distance h-back/tight-end guy or to put him with McCarthy/Clemnts and build up his trade value as a QB. Pure speculation on my part though, who knows if there was ever any actual interest.
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2012, 08:12:40 PM
Man oh man, what wild day in the NFL.
Can't believe Tebow picked the Jets over Jags, on so many different levels, blows my mind.
I don't think Tebow had any say in what team he was traded to.
Quote from: six pack on March 22, 2012, 10:01:21 AM
I don't think Tebow had any say in what team he was traded to.
The internets would seem to disagree with you.
Quote from: MUMac on March 21, 2012, 09:14:08 PM
Tebow to Jets has been finalized. Worked through the earlier snag. Still makes no sense.
It makes some sense. Jets o-coordinator is tony sparano, who loves him some wildcat, which tebow can run very effectively since it is basically a read-option offense. it doesn't make sense to pair him with emotionally fragile mark sanchez, however, who will probably whine about having to split time with tebow if they actually do run the wildcat a handful of times/game.
Jets want a rule change to allow for bounce passes. Tebow and Sanchez would be unstoppable.
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 22, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Jets want a rule change to allow for bounce passes. Tebow and Sanchez would be unstoppable.
Hahahahahaha
Michael Bush (formerly Oakland) signed by the Bears. Forte and his agent are VERY unhappy about the situation - Forte currently has the franchise tag, but hasn't actually signed "the dotted line." Could be a holdout situation this summer. Damnit.
Paging Phil Emery... PAY HIM!
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 22, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
Paging Phil Emery... PAY HIM!
No kidding, I don't know what the bears are thinking on this one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jUBbCgMWmE
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 22, 2012, 01:52:11 PM
Michael Bush (formerly Oakland) signed by the Bears. Forte and his agent are VERY unhappy about the situation - Forte currently has the franchise tag, but hasn't actually signed "the dotted line." Could be a holdout situation this summer. Damnit.
Paging Phil Emery... PAY HIM!
Even before this signing, my guess is that Forte was going to holdout, unless he signed a long-term deal. Adding Michael Bush doesn't change that part of the equation. That's why the Bears signed Bush, they needed some insurance.
BTW - What is the deal with Forte? I would have thought that the deals signed by Lynch and Foster would have set the market for him.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 22, 2012, 02:10:29 PM
Even before this signing, my guess is that Forte was going to holdout, unless he signed a long-term deal. Adding Michael Bush doesn't change that part of the equation. That's why the Bears signed Bush, they needed some insurance.
True on the needed insurance. But he was definitely pissed off even further with a 4 year deal going to Bush
Have no idea but have the Bears offered Forte a long term deal? If they have was it a fair deal? Is there an agent in his ear?
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on March 22, 2012, 05:45:35 PM
Have no idea but have the Bears offered Forte a long term deal? If they have was it a fair deal? Is there an agent in his ear?
Allegedly there have been long term deals put on the table, but not quite what Forte is asking in terms of $$. I think, like a previous poster noted, he's asking for more than the likes of the Foster and Lynch contracts. Not sure about the agent.
Quote from: MUDish on March 21, 2012, 10:16:38 PM
Thanks for the clarification, didn't know it was one player per season either.
Question for Pack fans...was the interest in Tebow by GB real? Couldn't fathom that for a second. You have the best player in the NFL on your roster, and while you do need a back up QB, still couldn't imagine Tebow there.
My understanding is they would not trade a high pick for him. Likely more interested if Denver did not find a taker and it was either after he was cut or in a fire sale.
Packers signed Jeff Saturday. Two year deal. Good signing...can draft a center for the future.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 23, 2012, 11:59:45 AM
Packers signed Jeff Saturday. Two year deal. Good signing...can draft a center for the future.
I like that signing. Gives time to focus the draft on D and getting/developing a C with a middle round pick.
Quote from: MUMac on March 23, 2012, 01:35:59 PM
I like that signing. Gives time to focus the draft on D and getting/developing a C with a middle round pick.
I think Zeitler (Wisc.) might be an option since TT was at their pro day
so the vikings just signed Jerome Simpson to a 1 year contract, scratch that, it's really only a 13 game contract since he caught a 3 game suspension for dealing pot.
hey Jaybee, how smart is your newest wide receiver if he gets arrested for having 2.5 pounds of pot shipped UPS to his house and then lets the cops search his house even though he has another 6 pounds and scales laying around?
gotta be pretty desperate for wideouts up dere huh?
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 22, 2012, 10:50:30 AM
Jets want a rule change to allow for bounce passes. Tebow and Sanchez would be unstoppable.
Splendid wisecrack +100!
Excited for the draft tonight, still don't like the new format, loved the all day Saturday rounds 1-3, but oh well.
Can't recall a draft with this much hot air, really ramped up this year. Bears probably go D end, Pack outside LB, Lions secondary, Vikes ??.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
Excited for the draft tonight, still don't like the new format, loved the all day Saturday rounds 1-3, but oh well.
Can't recall a draft with this much hot air, really ramped up this year. Bears probably go D end, Pack outside LB, Lions secondary, Vikes ??.
I'm a huge football fan, but can't stand how overhyped the draft is. I don't blame McShay or Kiper for doing what they do as I definitely would for the $$, but all the analysis is a joke. At least 1/2 of the guys picked in the 1st round won't amount to anything more than journeyman players in the league if that--those are just the odds, but those guys talk in such absolutes about everyone of them it's as if they can't imagine any of them being busts.
Agreed Dish, the Pack definitely needs to shore up the defense. Would be pretty surprised if it wasn't an OLB with the 1st pick. Hopefully they look for help on the DL and Safety the next couple days and maybe also pick up a RB late with some hidden potential.
Liked it on the weekend as well. Being ready to be disappointed by Ted Thompson again. I'm in the minority but I really think he may be in the bottom half of GM's in the league in assembling talent when you look at FA and draft. Since he doesn't utilize FA in any meaningful way, he puts the franchise behind the 8 ball. He's ushered in some pretty terrible defenses. McCarthy is a phenomenal offensive qb coach, but if we didn't have Dave Redding as S&C with the introduction of Capers TT would have been on thin ice. S&C had to have played a factor there is no other rationale explanation for a 30 ranking drop in defense with similar personnel.
I'm pretty sure Murphy is a moron though who would never fire TT now.
We are squandering MM's genius as TT fumbles on defensive personnel.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
Excited for the draft tonight, still don't like the new format, loved the all day Saturday rounds 1-3, but oh well.
Can't recall a draft with this much hot air, really ramped up this year. Bears probably go D end, Pack outside LB, Lions secondary, Vikes ??.
I actually like the new format, especially the 1st round. As great as Draft Saturday was, it was becoming ridiculous with how long it was taking for teams to pick.... An over 6 hour 1st round, that's insane.
I think the Bears will go with a DE, seems like there's going to be a run of DL picked somewhere between 12-20.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 11:49:18 AM
Excited for the draft tonight, still don't like the new format, loved the all day Saturday rounds 1-3, but oh well.
Can't recall a draft with this much hot air, really ramped up this year. Bears probably go D end, Pack outside LB, Lions secondary, Vikes ??.
They are willing to trade with CLE or Tampa for the right price. They are hinting they will take Claiborne with the 3rd pick but they are saying that they would be happy with him, Kalil or Blackmon. Tampa might want to trade up to 3 to get in front of CLE to get Richardson. As long as the Vikings stink next year I am happy.
Quote from: jmayer1 on April 26, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
I'm a huge football fan, but can't stand how overhyped the draft is. I don't blame McShay or Kiper for doing what they do as I definitely would for the $$, but all the analysis is a joke. At least 1/2 of the guys picked in the 1st round won't amount to anything more than journeyman players in the league if that--those are just the odds, but those guys talk in such absolutes about everyone of them it's as if they can't imagine any of them being busts.
Agreed Dish, the Pack definitely needs to shore up the defense. Would be pretty surprised if it wasn't an OLB with the 1st pick. Hopefully they look for help on the DL and Safety the next couple days and maybe also pick up a RB late with some hidden potential.
Agree as well, maybe it's out there and I haven't looked hard enough for it, but would love to see a website created that went back and analyzed what experts like McShay/Kiper/Mayock said over previous drafts about guys, and how close they were. I'm sure that info is out there, but would love to see some analysis to see some type of "accountability".
Draft has great depth at the DL/OLB spot, Pack should get a pretty good player at 28.
i'd be ecstatic if Barron somehow fell to the Bears. Otherwise I'm pretty sure they're going with Coples or Mercilus.
Quote from: jmayer1 on April 26, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
I'm a huge football fan, but can't stand how overhyped the draft is. I don't blame McShay or Kiper for doing what they do as I definitely would for the $$, but all the analysis is a joke. At least 1/2 of the guys picked in the 1st round won't amount to anything more than journeyman players in the league if that--those are just the odds, but those guys talk in such absolutes about everyone of them it's as if they can't imagine any of them being busts.
Very true, but as I read yesterday, the NFL draft (1st round) has better TV ratings than the average MLB, NBA or NHL playoff game. The draft is all about selling hope to the different fan bases around league. So, of course, every player is labeled a difference maker... Just the nature of the beast.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 26, 2012, 12:11:17 PM
They are willing to trade with STL or Tampa for the right price. They are hinting they will take Claiborne with the 3rd pick but they are saying that they would be happy with him, Kalil or Blackmon. Tampa might want to trade up to 3 to get in front of STL to get Richardson. As long as the Vikings stink next year I am happy.
I think the Vikes think the same thing I think, who the hell do you take at 3? They have a ton of needs, and a lot of people think Claiborne could be the second/third best CB in this draft. I love Michael Floyd, I think he'll be a better pro than Blackmon. Kalil is safest pick, but my sense is since it's not sexy, the Vikes don't want to do it. They're pretty much begging for someone to make them a decent offer.
Have heard from a guy in the know that if Coples is there, he's 100% the Bears pick, FWIW.
The Vikes should take Trent Richardson, that should open the floodgates for a handful of teams that need a RB. Richardson is the real deal.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 26, 2012, 12:09:20 PM
Liked it on the weekend as well. Being ready to be disappointed by Ted Thompson again. I'm in the minority but I really think he may be in the bottom half of GM's in the league in assembling talent when you look at FA and draft. Since he doesn't utilize FA in any meaningful way, he puts the franchise behind the 8 ball. He's ushered in some pretty terrible defenses. McCarthy is a phenomenal offensive qb coach, but if we didn't have Dave Redding as S&C with the introduction of Capers TT would have been on thin ice. S&C had to have played a factor there is no other rationale explanation for a 30 ranking drop in defense with similar personnel.
I'm pretty sure Murphy is a moron though who would never fire TT now.
We are squandering MM's genius as TT fumbles on defensive personnel.
So the guy who completely remade the roster into a Super Bowl winner and a 15-1 regular season team last year is in the "bottom half of GMs in the league?"
I fully understand what you are saying about disappointing defensive personnel...and yeah I wish they were more aggressive in the FA market...but man...give the guy his due.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 12:17:15 PM
I think the Vikes think the same thing I think, who the hell do you take at 3? They have a ton of needs, and a lot of people think Claiborne could be the second/third best CB in this draft. I love Michael Floyd, I think he'll be a better pro than Blackmon. Kalil is safest pick, but my sense is since it's not sexy, the Vikes don't want to do it. They're pretty much begging for someone to make them a decent offer.
Have heard from a guy in the know that if Coples is there, he's 100% the Bears pick, FWIW.
You think the Bears could be leaning toward Fleener if Coples doesn't fall to them?
Quote from: reinko on April 26, 2012, 12:17:24 PM
The Vikes should take Trent Richardson, that should open the floodgates for a handful of teams that need a RB. Richardson is the real deal.
Running backs have become a commodity...no need to draft one that high.
Quote from: reinko on April 26, 2012, 12:17:24 PM
The Vikes should take Trent Richardson, that should open the floodgates for a handful of teams that need a RB. Richardson is the real deal.
I know his knee is hurty, but I don't think Peterson would be too thrilled with that pick. I know you "should" take best player available.
I like Richardson, he has outstanding field vision for a RB, Cleveland needs to take him assuming he's there at 4.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 26, 2012, 12:16:01 PM
Very true, but as I read yesterday, the NFL draft (1st round) has better TV ratings than the average MLB, NBA or NHL playoff game.
Speaking of ratings, the Pro Bowl has such bad ratings that they are talking/going to suspend the game indefinitely.
Quote from: reinko on April 26, 2012, 12:19:30 PM
You think the Bears could be leaning toward Fleener if Coples doesn't fall to them?
I can't see them going after Fleener. I understand the need, but no way they go after him in Round 1. I'm not a Coples fan, I think he's very overrated personally. I don't know if the Mercilus talk is just smoke since he's Illinois kid, really not getting any feel for what the Bears will do, other than go DE. Heard they worked out Cox, which didn't make much sense because he'll be long gone, and I (could be wrong) can't see the Bears moving into the top 10 for him.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 26, 2012, 12:27:00 PM
Speaking of ratings, the Pro Bowl has such bad ratings that they are talking/going to suspend the game indefinitely.
Pro Bowl actually gets really solid ratings. Going to be cancelled because it's not much of a "game", NFL doesn't like how big of a joke it is. Be interesting to see if the owners agree though. Pro Bowl is a televised game that makes NBC/NFL a decent amount of cash.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 12:29:00 PM
I can't see them going after Fleener. I understand the need, but no way they go after him in Round 1. I'm not a Coples fan, I think he's very overrated personally. I don't know if the Mercilus talk is just smoke since he's Illinois kid, really not getting any feel for what the Bears will do, other than go DE. Heard they worked out Cox, which didn't make much sense because he'll be long gone, and I (could be wrong) can't see the Bears moving into the top 10 for him.
Agreed on Coples. I'd be okay with a CB - Kirkpatrick/Gilmore maybe? Also read a few places that they liked Brockers. Wishful thinking: DeCastro, Barron, Kuechly
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 26, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
So the guy who completely remade the roster into a Super Bowl winner and a 15-1 regular season team last year is in the "bottom half of GMs in the league?"
I fully understand what you are saying about disappointing defensive personnel...and yeah I wish they were more aggressive in the FA market...but man...give the guy his due.
TT's had his good and bad moments, I won't blindly follow the guy now though. Relying on an oft injured Neal for Jenkins was ridiculous as was only having Barbre groomed as OT replacement, big contract for Hawk, etc. But to see how atrocious we were on D, there's something systematically wrong. If that same crap defense is on display next year heat should be on.
I will admit, the dude does get my blood boiling for some reason. I guess just the utter incompetence on D displayed last year did it. I tend to value defense in football and basketball.
Quote from: MUDish on April 26, 2012, 12:31:57 PM
Pro Bowl actually gets really solid ratings. Going to be cancelled because it's not much of a "game", NFL doesn't like how big of a joke it is. Be interesting to see if the owners agree though. Pro Bowl is a televised game that makes NBC/NFL a decent amount of cash.
I honestly have no idea what the ratings are at all. I just read this.... ESPN.com reports: The Pro Bowl may have seen its final kickoff: The game, often a low-rated afterthought of an NFL season, is likely to be suspended this season and beyond, league sources said.
As far as the draft I'm hoping TT can get OLB Chandler Jones from Syracuse.
I am one who liked the old, old format of Tuesday. Starting at 7:00am central time and going all day long. It was great!
I used to work for a company who recorded the vacation year from 5-1 to 4-30 and you could not carry days over. I "saved" a couple for "just in case". And when I knew I was going to lose them, well, I had to take a day off and that just happened to be the last Tuesday of the month of April. Coincidentally, that also happenned to be the day of the NFL Draft. At least, that is the rationale I gave my wife!
ESPN has to produce everything now. I don't like the current set up. Made for prime time draft. Splitting it into 3 days allows the weaker personnel departments to compensate for their shortcomings.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 26, 2012, 12:33:14 PMAlso read a few places that they liked Brockers.
I saw this as well, but I figure he will be gone by the time they pick. There was alot of buzz about Kendall Wright, but that seems to have died down in the last few days. More areas of need elsewhere
The Draft always reminds me of one of the great sports quotes of all time, compliments of Bill Tobin.
"Who in the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?...He's never been a player, he's never been a coach, he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he's an expert."
I honestly believe that if Kiper and McShay were all that good at talent evaluation, an NFL team would be paying them BIG money to be part of their front office.
That said, being a draft "expert" (much like being a Bracketologist) is a completely useless yet lucrative career that I wish I had thought of.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 26, 2012, 12:33:14 PM
Agreed on Coples. I'd be okay with a CB - Kirkpatrick/Gilmore maybe? Also read a few places that they liked Brockers. Wishful thinking: DeCastro, Barron, Kuechly
Also rumored that the Bears like DE Nick Perry from USC - strong, athletic freak but natural abilities don't translate to the field.
I'd like to see Barron or OT Jonathan Martin.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 26, 2012, 01:37:57 PM
The Draft always reminds me of one of the great sports quotes of all time, compliments of Bill Tobin.
"Who in the hell is Mel Kiper anyway?...He's never been a player, he's never been a coach, he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he's an expert."
I honestly believe that if Kiper and McShay were all that good at talent evaluation, an NFL team would be paying them BIG money to be part of their front office.
That said, being a draft "expert" (much like being a Bracketologist) is a completely useless yet lucrative career that I wish I had thought of.
Kiper made his bones a long time ago and has been tight with GMs from the get go.
McShay, I have no friggin clue where that kid came from and find him annoying.
Mike Mayock is a good one if you're looking for former "football guys" who analyze.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 26, 2012, 12:13:13 PM
i'd be ecstatic if Barron somehow fell to the Bears. Otherwise I'm pretty sure they're going with Coples or Mercilus.
Barron will not go past the Cowboys at 14 or the Jets at 16.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 26, 2012, 01:42:41 PM
Also rumored that the Bears like DE Nick Perry from USC - strong, athletic freak but natural abilities don't translate to the field.
I'd like to see Barron or OT Jonathan Martin.
i don't see them taking an OT - they think Carimi is the real deal and Tice is obsessed with Webb (i can't figure out why)
from what I've read it sounds like Coples could be a bust cuz he's an underacheiver via effort on every down
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 26, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
I tend to value defense in football and basketball.
I tend to value wins, especially Super Bowls!! :)
Just curious, were you a fan of Ron Wolf?
The defense obviously needs some work. I think TT definitely undervalued the loss of Jenkins last year and losing Collns was huge--not just because he is pro bowl caliber but because Peprah is so gawd awful.
Of GB's 12 picks-I think around 8 should come on defense. OLB first then DL and S with the next two in some order. Throw in at least one developmental CB, ILB, RB, and a couple OL and call it a day. I know TT likes to go best player available, but they really look pretty solid on Offense, hope he gets some more toughness on Defense.
I was a Ron Wolf fan but I was also in elementary and middle school during his reign.
He was a magician, Timmerman, Brooks, Freeman. Hired an offensive qb stud in Holmgren (TT got that part right in McCarthy). Used high profile FA's in Reggie White, Sean Jones, Eugene Robinson, Santana Dotson etc and got the tools. He didn't use some macho rigid philosophy of not using all avenues (like all the other GM's and his Woodson pickup are myopic). He knew how to put a team together from what I can remember.
The LA Vikings traded down to the 4th pick with Cleveland and got the Browns 4th, 5th and 7th round picks. Browns are taking Richardson.
I've never understood why they need so long to pick, especially in the first round. Maybe Round 5, 6, 7 cause they have to figure out who is left. But in 1, don't you pretty much know right away?
Also, regardless of what's been said, I'm hoping the "mad tweeter" (jim irsay) is crazy enough to confuse everyone and take RG3.
And yet thompson has put together as many super bowl winners as wolf. And the only free agent that wolf paid big bucks for was white. Dotson, jones, etc were all value adds like woodson and pickett.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 26, 2012, 06:39:11 PM
The LA Vikings traded down to the 4th pick with Cleveland and got the Browns 4th, 5th and 7th round picks. Browns are taking Richardson.
Really a strange trade, IMHO, by Holmgren. Good trade by Minnesota.
no one other than me has so little of a life as to want to gameday chat this, right?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 26, 2012, 06:52:18 PM
I've never understood why they need so long to pick, especially in the first round. Maybe Round 5, 6, 7 cause they have to figure out who is left. But in 1, don't you pretty much know right away?
Also, regardless of what's been said, I'm hoping the "mad tweeter" (jim irsay) is crazy enough to confuse everyone and take RG3.
to allow time for trades.
Quote from: MUMac on April 26, 2012, 07:26:19 PM
Really a strange trade, IMHO, by Holmgren. Good trade by Minnesota.
Holmgren was competing vs STL and he probably made a little bit of a better offer since he had the most picks in the draft before making the trade (I think).
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 26, 2012, 07:36:30 PM
Holmgren was competing vs STL and he probably made a little bit of a better offer since he had the most picks in the draft before making the trade (I think).
That is a lot to move up one spot. I guess he does not value middle round picks like Wolf did.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 26, 2012, 06:52:24 PM
And yet thompson has put together as many super bowl winners as wolf. And the only free agent that wolf paid big bucks for was white. Dotson, jones, etc were all value adds like woodson and pickett.
Wolf maintained championship level play on both sides of the ball. GB was top 10 in Total Defense from 93-99 and only had one year outside the top 15 in Total Defense during Wolf's tenure. 93-99 top 10 every year in Total Offense.
Not this up and down neglect one side one year roller coaster. Now we've got Thompson's Oops draft this year with 7 D picks (better be) after selecting O with his top picks last year.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 26, 2012, 08:23:53 PM
Wolf maintained championship level play on both sides of the ball. GB was top 10 in Total Defense from 93-99 and only had one year outside the top 15 in Total Defense during Wolf's tenure. 93-99 top 10 every year in Total Offense.
Not this up and down neglect one side one year roller coaster. Now we've got Thompson's Oops draft this year with 7 D picks (better be) after selecting O with his top picks last year.
You are seriously picky. They were 15-2 last year. Yeah the defense sucked...but they only lost one starter from a team that came off a Super Bowl victory going into the season.
Glad the Bears aren't going to have to deal with Coples. Reilly Reif and DeCastro falling quickly - love either pick for Bears.
Bust estimate: Tannehill, Poe, Irvin (what the f**k was that Pete?!)
DeCastro and Reif available - Bears go with a hybrid OLB in Mclellin. Emery impressed me in FA. Disappointed me so far in the draft.
McLellin was thought by many to be TT's top choice. He fits a 3-4. Not sure where he fits with the Bears 4-3, DE or OLB?
Quote from: MUMac on April 26, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
McLellin was thought by many to be TT's top choice. He fits a 3-4. Not sure where he fits with the Bears 4-3, DE or OLB?
OLB, i think. stand up pass rusher on passing downs. Emery said he has a great motor and is a 4 down player. But it feels like a Lovie Smith pick more than Emery.
Also - Patriots trading up all over the place. Totally not their style.
Edit: Just Kidding. He'll be a DE.
Quote from: MUMac on April 26, 2012, 09:11:24 PM
McLellin was thought by many to be TT's top choice. He fits a 3-4. Not sure where he fits with the Bears 4-3, DE or OLB?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 26, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
OLB, i think. stand up pass rusher on passing downs. Emery said he has a great motor and is a 4 down player. But it feels like a Lovie Smith pick more than Emery.
Also - Patriots trading up all over the place. Totally not their style.
Total reach by the Bears. Jones, Mercilus, Reiff, DeCastro, Glenn, Massey or Upshaw all would have been better picks.
On the bright side, at least the Bears didn't take Nick Perry or Harrison Smith.
Perry definitely disappears in games for his measurables. For our sake I hope they light a fire under his azz.
Feel kind of "meh" on the McClellin pick. Bears plan to use him opposite edge off Peppers, then maybe eventually moving him to LB as he ages. I know guards aren't sexy, but really thought DeCastro should have been the pick there.
Like others, thought if McClellin was there when GB picked, he'd have been their pick. I can't blame the Pack for picking Perry, he's been tremendously inconsistent, shows explosive bursts, but takes too many plays off. That said at 28, and looking for a pass rusher that has explosive potential from a blue chip program like USC, makes sense.
Trading up for Harrison Smith made zero sense to me. I don't get it at all. He's an alright player, but with so many needs for the Vikes, and trading back into the first round again to get him? Don't get it.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2012, 07:48:27 AM
Feel kind of "meh" on the McClellin pick. Bears plan to use him opposite edge off Peppers, then maybe eventually moving him to LB as he ages. I know guards aren't sexy, but really thought DeCastro should have been the pick there.
Like others, thought if McClellin was there when GB picked, he'd have been their pick. I can't blame the Pack for picking Perry, he's been tremendously inconsistent, shows explosive bursts, but takes too many plays off. That said at 28, and looking for a pass rusher that has explosive potential from a blue chip program like USC, makes sense.
Trading up for Harrison Smith made zero sense to me. I don't get it at all. He's an alright player, but with so many needs for the Vikes, and trading back into the first round again to get him? Don't get it.
I think for Vikes they were so bad at safety last year, they wanted to ensure they got the last bonafide safety in the draft.
Smith will be a top half safety imo. Not spectacular but slightly above average which is a huge improvement for Minny.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2012, 07:48:27 AM
Feel kind of "meh" on the McClellin pick. Bears plan to use him opposite edge off Peppers, then maybe eventually moving him to LB as he ages. I know guards aren't sexy, but really thought DeCastro should have been the pick there.
Like others, thought if McClellin was there when GB picked, he'd have been their pick. I can't blame the Pack for picking Perry, he's been tremendously inconsistent, shows explosive bursts, but takes too many plays off. That said at 28, and looking for a pass rusher that has explosive potential from a blue chip program like USC, makes sense.
Trading up for Harrison Smith made zero sense to me. I don't get it at all. He's an alright player, but with so many needs for the Vikes, and trading back into the first round again to get him? Don't get it.
I think you are pretty much right on.
McClellin pick seems a little strange at that spot with the guys that were still there. I would say they could have done better, but he looks like he can play a little.
I actually like the Perry pick a lot. Give me a guy with all kinds of ability who took plays off in college now and then over a guy with a 'motor' any day. It's the Brett Favre rule...when you are looking at a young player (particularly at QB), see how good he is when he's good, because that's the player he can be. Of course you are gonna get your Albert Haynsworth types now and then, but the best players in the NFL are the guys with the superior physical ability. Julius Peppers has been accused/known to take it easy now and then, but I'll take him over guys who 'bring it every down' like JJ watt or Aaron kampman any time.
Largely due to where they were picking, but I think the Vikings had a real nice night. Actually, the Lions did as well. Division is shaping up to be very tough.
Now onto the later rounds, otherwise known as Thompson-time! How many (soon to be extinict) pro-bowlers will the Packers add this year?
The thing that bothers me about the McClellin pick is the best responses from talking heads in Chicago and online are "You never know, he could turn out really great". Well lovely, you could say that about alot of people, that doesn't make me feel any better. Especially when Melvin Ingram was taken the pick before, sigh...
Interestingly enough, Harrison Smith is extremely close with my roommate and his family from his HS days. As in, still does Thanksgiving at their house would come up from Chicago to visit from SB whenever he could. So despite him being both a Domer and now a Viking, both dirty words, I wouldn't mind seeing him have some success.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on April 27, 2012, 08:59:36 AM
I think you are pretty much right on.
McClellin pick seems a little strange at that spot with the guys that were still there. I would say they could have done better, but he looks like he can play a little. Given the track records of the team involved, the fact that the Patriots traded up for Jones and the Steelers took DeCastro makes me think that Bears missed a golden opportunity.
I actually like the Perry pick a lot. Give me a guy with all kinds of ability who took plays off in college now and then over a guy with a 'motor' any day. It's the Brett Favre rule...when you are looking at a young player (particularly at QB), see how good he is when he's good, because that's the player he can be. Of course you are gonna get your Albert Haynsworth types now and then, but the best players in the NFL are the guys with the superior physical ability. Julius Peppers has been accused/known to take it easy now and then, but I'll take him over guys who 'bring it every down' like JJ watt or Aaron kampman any time.
Largely due to where they were picking, but I think the Vikings had a real nice night. Actually, the Lions did as well. Division is shaping up to be very tough.
Now onto the later rounds, otherwise known as Thompson-time! How many (soon to be extinict) pro-bowlers will the Packers add this year?
The McClellin pick is especially strange considering he projects as a 3-4 OLB, not necessarily a DE.
Harrison is a safety who always seems to be around the football. Unfortunately, the football is typically in the hands of a guy who's running past him.
tremendous value for the packers at a need position in the second round.
edit to acknowledge they traded up to get worthy - but without hearing the details yet, i'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where i would think TT overpaid for the pick
Quote from: MUBurrow on April 27, 2012, 07:31:53 PM
tremendous value for the packers at a need position in the second round.
edit to acknowledge they traded up to get worthy - but without hearing the details yet, i'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where i would think TT overpaid for the pick
2nd and 4th....not bad....
If Alshon can keep the weight off, it's a solid 2nd pick for the Bears. Great hands, great size, good teammate/character. Bears now have two 6'3" receivers (likely) starting.
Still pissed we passed on Decastro (starting guard for the next decade) for McClellin...
Detroit takes an injured WR in the 2nd.. what?
Quote from: Chili on April 27, 2012, 07:43:50 PM
2nd and 4th....not bad....
not bad at all. I think its a great pick that gets at the real problem with the GB pass rush. The OLB's off the ends get the flashy sacks, but without good 3-4 ends, its next to impossible for them to apply consistent pressure. On the flip side, if those ends get good push/occupy an extra blocker, mediocre OLBs start to look better and better.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2012, 08:12:24 PM
Detroit takes an injured WR in the 2nd.. what?
It is like a bad Matt Millen flashback.
I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.
Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?
Not Dish but...
Jeffery could be a stud if he wants to work at it. That's a big "if." He had the talent to be a top 15-20 pick, but his work ethic has been very questionable.
Hardin is likely a special teamer and career back-up. 3rd round is too high to take a guy who projects as a special teamer and career back-up. Would have liked to see Massie taken in this spot.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.
I turned it off after 5 minutes last night and watched NFL Network.
Chris Berman is a bufoon, who continues to talk in sentences as if he is running out of breath. He is just out of his time and needs to go. NFL is more professional and actually showed second/third round picks live, as ESPN goes to commercials. Like that Maycock guy.
Quote from: MUDish on April 27, 2012, 09:17:18 PM
I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.
I stopped watching and just kept updating twitter, since they had the picks on there about 3-5 min before they were announced.
Quote from: nyg on April 27, 2012, 09:28:25 PM
I turned it off after 5 minutes last night and watched NFL Network.
Chris Berman is a bufoon, who continues to talk in sentences as if he is running out of breath. He is just out of his time and needs to go. NFL is more professional and actually showed second/third round picks live, as ESPN goes to commercials. Like that Maycock guy.
What pisses me off to no end is ignoring picks like ESPN does. If you're watching the draft tonight, you're a core football fan. Give me insight, analysis, show the picks. ESPN ignores pick after pick. Ridiculous.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 27, 2012, 09:19:06 PM
Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?
Love the Jeffrey pick, had him pegged per-draft as a WR that was underrated. He had an outstanding SO year, was probably top 20 pick before his JR season. If he can play at around 220, will be match up problem, especially in red zone and 3rd down. Like his instincts and has good hands.
Hardin is interesting. Thought for sure Massie would be the pick, heard as much from former Bears guy. Like him better as S than CB. Really good on special teams, remains to be seen what Bears plans are for him.
Also, I was scared Pack was going to draft LaMichael James. I know he's small, but did not want to see him in green/gold. Loved James going into tonight.
Like Hayward pick a lot. Is plan to have him replace Collins? Probably better S than CB in NFL.
Hayward's too small for safety imo. I think they may move Woodson to safety.
Correct about Hayward being small, he'd have to bulk up to play safety, but his playmaking skills might make him more productive there.
Pretty happy with GB's draft so far. Of course we went D these first two day. Really like the Worthy pick. This kid has a chance to be real good, hopefully what Gruden was saying about not being 3 down was because of double teams wearing him down. Good quickness for a man his size though.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 27, 2012, 10:39:56 PM
Pretty happy with GB's draft so far. Of course we went D these first two day. Really like the Worthy pick. This kid has a chance to be real good, hopefully what Gruden was saying about not being 3 down was because of double teams wearing him down. Good quickness for a man his size though.
I was not able to watch tonight, but if Gruden said that, that bears well for the kid. Thursday, Gruden was as bad as his haircut. Most everything he said was wrong. He was awful. Almost as bad as Berman, and that says a lot. I agree with Dish, ESPN's coverage has become a joke. Had started years ago. I would rather have a root canal without Novocaine than watch ESPN's coverage.
Off my rant and back to the draft. Really liking the Packers picks so far. Need and value at all spots. TT filled some of the major holes.
Quote from: MUMac on April 28, 2012, 05:07:49 AM
I was not able to watch tonight, but if Gruden said that, that bears well for the kid. Thursday, Gruden was as bad as his haircut. Most everything he said was wrong. He was awful. Almost as bad as Berman, and that says a lot. I agree with Dish, ESPN's coverage has become a joke. Had started years ago. I would rather have a root canal without Novocaine than watch ESPN's coverage.
Off my rant and back to the draft. Really liking the Packers picks so far. Need and value at all spots. TT filled some of the major holes.
John Gruden is the worst person calling sports right now.
He is a moron, and totally unwatchable.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 28, 2012, 09:41:59 AM
John Gruden is the worst person calling sports right now.
He is a moron, and totally unwatchable.
I've never really like the guy's commentary and was surprised how popular he is. Can only hear "that guy" so much. He was acting weird yesterday for sure, seemed almost unstable like he wanted to leap out at someone/cry.
Does Hayward take over as a safety or is he a corner with Woodson taking over primarily at safety at this point? Whats our biggest need still? We should think of taking Kirk Cousins to be Rodgers back up if he's available (unlikely). I'm sure TT will trade a lot of those late round picks to move up again.
Hayward is a corner only, imo.
Inside Middle Linebacker needs to be buffed or another DE. A.J. Hawk is terrible. O lineman in seventh round.
Massie must have killed someone or something, Bears passed on him twice now, every other team is ignoring him as well. Odd.
Quote from: MUDish on April 28, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
Massie must have killed someone or something, Bears passed on him twice now, every other team is ignoring him as well. Odd.
Bears passed him up for a FB/TE? and then he was picked next. Agree completely about the NFL Network, why does ESPN have so many people on the draft show?
Nothing but defense again for the Packers. This draft is reminding me of '99 when, coming off a terrible season of pass defense, the Packers spent their first three picks on cornerbacks....Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson and Mike McKenzie.
Edwards was a bust...Vinson after a strong rookie year as a nickle-back, was traded to Seattle straight up for Ahman Green, and blew out his knee...McKenzie was an All-Pro.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 28, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Nothing but defense again for the Packers. This draft is reminding me of '99 when, coming off a terrible season of pass defense, the Packers spent their first three picks on cornerbacks....Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson and Mike McKenzie.
Edwards was a bust...Vinson after a strong rookie year as a nickle-back, was traded to Seattle straight up for Ahman Green, and blew out his knee...McKenzie was an All-Pro.
I guess TT must figure that the defense needs help everywhere, why not assume regardless of round some guys pan out and some guys bust. If three of the guys drafted contribute reasonably well the defense will be significantly better for a team that only lost one regular season game last year. They don't have to be great defensively, they just can't be among the worst in the league.
Offense has a few holes to fill (still not sure how good line will be losing Scott Wells and Clifton), but was historically good last year. Hopefully Saturday pans out at center.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 28, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
Bears passed him up for a FB/TE? and then he was picked next. Agree completely about the NFL Network, why does ESPN have so many people on the draft show?
Emery impressed me in free agency but his draft has been pretty ugly.
1st: McClellin - projected to be an OLB in a 3-4 scheme, which the Bears obviously don't run.
2nd: Jeffery - high risk, high reward. I actually like this pick.
3rd: Hardin - injury-prone safety who didn't play last season and projects as a special teamer. WAY too high for a pick like that.
4th: Rodriguez - tweener TE/FB when Massey was available? Makes no sense.
So far, this draft tells me that the Bears feel confident with their o-line. They also have yet to address their lack of depth at LB...
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on April 28, 2012, 01:56:30 PM
Nothing but defense again for the Packers. This draft is reminding me of '99 when, coming off a terrible season of pass defense, the Packers spent their first three picks on cornerbacks....Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson and Mike McKenzie.
Edwards was a bust...Vinson after a strong rookie year as a nickle-back, was traded to Seattle straight up for Ahman Green, and blew out his knee...McKenzie was an All-Pro.
Remember that year. Showed best player available is a luxury. Liking TT's draft so far. I'd get use 5th round oninside LB and use seventh round for OL and RB.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on April 28, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
I guess TT must figure that the defense needs help everywhere, why not assume regardless of round some guys pan out and some guys bust. If three of the guys drafted contribute reasonably well the defense will be significantly better for a team that only lost one regular season game last year. They don't have to be great defensively, they just can't be among the worst in the league.
Offense has a few holes to fill (still not sure how good line will be losing Scott Wells and Clifton), but was historically good last year. Hopefully Saturday pans out at center.
saturday is old but is better than wells
TT got another LB in the 5th in Terrel Manning, he's a little on the short side. Seen one scouting report say he could be a smaller ILB in a 3-4 D. Mostly projected as OLB. Regardless good to get depth in our linebacking corp.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 28, 2012, 02:21:22 PM
saturday is old but is better than wells
More talented, yes, but he is 36. Very un-TT to sign a lineman that old. I'm gonna hope that you're right and he's a solid player for the Packers, which he should be if he continues his relatively injury free career. Center's a thinking man's position as well, and his experience should help the rest of the line.
If nothing else, maybe we can get some funny Aaron Rodgers - Jeff Saturday commercials out of it a la his work with Peyton. I loved that Mastercard commercial where Peyton gives Saturday a football as a Christmas present ("You'll never guess what it is!")
Quote from: mugrad2006 on April 28, 2012, 02:45:32 PM
More talented, yes, but he is 36. Very un-TT to sign a lineman that old. I'm gonna hope that you're right and he's a solid player for the Packers, which he should be if he continues his relatively injury free career. Center's a thinking man's position as well, and his experience should help the rest of the line.
If nothing else, maybe we can get some funny Aaron Rodgers - Jeff Saturday commercials out of it a la his work with Peyton. I loved that Mastercard commercial where Peyton gives Saturday a football as a Christmas present ("You'll never guess what it is!")
it's a 2 year deal. saturday will just be a stop gap
Quote from: mugrad2006 on April 28, 2012, 02:00:44 PM
I guess TT must figure that the defense needs help everywhere, why not assume regardless of round some guys pan out and some guys bust. If three of the guys drafted contribute reasonably well the defense will be significantly better for a team that only lost one regular season game last year. They don't have to be great defensively, they just can't be among the worst in the league.
Offense has a few holes to fill (still not sure how good line will be losing Scott Wells and Clifton), but was historically good last year. Hopefully Saturday pans out at center.
The line saw how to play without Clifton. Going into last year, I thought it was his last year. It sounds like Sherrod's recovery is going well. They have the people to replace Clifton. He was losing it anyway, and really cost the Packers in the Giants game.
They do not have many holes in the O. Saturday will more than replace Wells. They do need to find his replacement. I am guessing that comes in the later picks.
I am really pleased with this draft. Filled major holes and filled them well. Add Hargrove to the DL picks and the Packers have quality and quantity this year. The pass rush will be much improved.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on April 28, 2012, 02:11:34 PM
Emery impressed me in free agency
1st: McClellin - projected to be an OLB in a 3-4 scheme, DE which the Bears obviously don't do run.
Fixed.
He can basically play any position except for CB.
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on April 28, 2012, 04:53:26 PM
Fixed.
He can basically play any position except for CB.
While he can, most projected him as a OLB in a 3-4 scheme as the best fit. He will be an undersized DE. Probably only in passing situations.
Packers two seventh rounders are coming up. I'd take Taylor Dever OT out of Notre Dame for one pick. Build depth behind Sherrod and Bulaga.
Had a terrible combine only benched 19 reps but played well and helped ND have two 1,000 yd rushers this year.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 28, 2012, 05:38:05 PM
Packers two seventh rounders are coming up. I'd take Taylor Dever OT out of Notre Dame for one pick. Build depth behind Sherrod and Bulaga.
Had a terrible combine only benched 19 reps but played well and helped ND have two 1,000 yd rushers this year.
OL is one pick, I agree. Is the other pick a QB?
qb or rb I hope. Although I won't argue against drafting any D position after last year. ;)
Pack picked Andrew Datko OT Florida State.
FSU's o line sucked last year but Datko got injured. their o line coach likes lineman skinny. Maybe if Datko puts more mass on he can get more anchor which is a weakness according to scouting reports.
Quote from: Stone Cold on April 28, 2012, 05:54:00 PM
Pack picked Andrew Datko OT Florida State.
FSU's o line sucked last year but Datko got injured. their o line coach likes lineman skinny. Maybe if Datko puts more mass on he can get more anchor which is a weakness according to scouting reports.
How bad was he injured? Every time I see TT draft an injured player, I think Justin Harrell. Then again, he made a similar play with James Starks and it looks like that might play out well.
They shut him down this year after a shoulder injury requiring surgery. Had a shoulder injury in high school too so.......
Good call Mac on qb. B.J. Coleman qb from chattanooga. Has the measurables but a jacked up throwing motion, it's a cannon though. Needs work.
McCarthy knows how to break a QB down and rebuild. Did the same with Rogers. I like the pick.
sorry JaeBee ;D
Percy Harvin requests trade
Updated: June 20, 2012, 10:16 AM ET
EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. -- Star receiver Percy Harvin wants out of Minnesota.
One day after expressing frustration over several unspecified issues with the Vikings, Harvin has requested a trade, sources confirmed to ESPN.com's John Clayton. Harvin's demand had been earlier reported by The Associated Press.
Seifert: What's Harvin's Problem?
By implying there are multiple sources of conflict, Percy Harvin opened himself up to questions. If it's not his contract, the WR could have a problem with the Vikings' rebuild or his role on the offense, Kevin Seifert writes. Blog
Harvin voiced frustration with the Vikings on Tuesday at the first day of mandatory minicamp. He did not say what his specific issues were with the team, only saying that he was unhappy with several things and wanted them addressed before training camp begins at the end of July.
"I just put it this way, there's a lot of different things that have to be sorted out," Harvin said Tuesday. "Just haven't been really happy lately. We've got a couple of things to work on. I'm here in the classroom. We'll go from there."
Given Harvin's status as a 24-year-old rising star and one of the team's top players, the request is unlikely to be granted. Coach Leslie Frazier said Tuesday that he was confident any issues Harvin had could be resolved well before training camp.
"I really feel like when he and I sit down and talk in depth," Frazier said, "whatever is in his heart or on his mind, we'll get through it."
Harvin, who is still recovering from offseason shoulder surgery, worked out with the team during an afternoon practice Tuesday and said later in the day that he did not want to be a distraction and would only wanted to talk about football issues.
He has two years left on his rookie contract, but it was not immediately clear how much that had to do with his displeasure, if at all. The Vikings are coming off of consecutive last-place finishes in the NFC North and have entered a rebuilding phase centered on Harvin, Peterson, who is recovering from a torn ACL, and second-year quarterback Christian Ponder.
Harvin was the team's first-round draft pick in 2009 and has quickly emerged as perhaps the team's most versatile and dynamic player. He is the team's only proven commodity at receiver heading into his fourth season and is coming off a year in which he posted career highs in receptions (87), yards (967) and total touchdowns with nine.
Harvin has shown the ability to play in the slot as an inside receiver, on the perimeter as a deep threat and has become one of the most dangerous kick returners in the league. He also rushed for 345 yards last season, helping to spell Adrian Peterson in the run game.
Migraine headaches and a few other bumps and bruises from Harvin's physical and punishing style of play led to some concerns about his durability, especially in his first two seasons. But Harvin played in all 16 games last year while fighting a painful rib injury and became a respected veteran in the locker room.
Requesting a trade now would be a curious move if he does want a new contract, with the normal protocol for similar situations being to holdout from training camp to spur negotiations.
Earlier this offseason, Harvin pledged to be a team leader and showed up at several voluntary practices despite still recovering from having bone chips removed from his shoulder. With a receiver corps that includes rookie fourth-rounders Greg Childs and Jarius Wright and unproven veteran Jerome Simpson, who will be suspended for the first three games, Harvin is the only proven game-breaker at the position for the Vikings.
"I'm going to be honest with you guys. I've been watching tape, but it's just working on things from last year," Harvin said when asked about the offense. "I'm into it, but like I said, I'm not happy with things, so I haven't really been in tune to (personnel) and stuff right now.
"Overall, just watching game film and breaking down quarterbacks, breaking down myself, defenses I may face that I faced last year, things like that."
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8076348/sources-percy-harvin-requests-trade-minnesota-vikings
He can request a trade all he wants, no way they trade him.
Finally!
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8170553/matt-forte-chicago-bears-agree-4-year-32m-contract-source-says
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 16, 2012, 12:40:36 PM
Finally!
http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story/_/id/8170553/matt-forte-chicago-bears-agree-4-year-32m-contract-source-says
Stupid move.
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 16, 2012, 01:38:00 PM
Por que?
No NFL team should be allowing a player to force their hand when they can be franchise tagged. It's ridiculous.
Why would you ever pay more for a player than you have to?
at this point, it kind of seems more like a reward of gratitude for the past couple years than an actual investment in the next four years.
He is 26 years old and will be 30/31 when his contract comes up. Perfect length of the contract.
Quote from: PTM on July 16, 2012, 01:45:41 PM
No NFL team should be allowing a player to force their hand when they can be franchise tagged. It's ridiculous.
Why would you ever pay more for a player than you have to?
It doesn't seem ridiculous to pay him $8m per year vs the $7.749MM the tag would have paid for 1 year.
Now, the contract might not be broken down to an even $8M each year, I don't know.
Maybe they felt if they tried to tag him they would damage the chances of him ever signing with the team again. Does the new CBA prevent franchising the same player more than once?
Quote from: damuts222 on July 16, 2012, 01:48:35 PM
He is 26 years old and will be 30/31 when his contract comes up. Perfect length of the contract.
yeah, and cedric benson was 23 when he played for the bears. forte's got a looooot of miles on those 26 year old legs.
lol@paying running backs money.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on July 16, 2012, 02:14:42 PM
lol@paying running backs money.
Thats what is ridiculus to me. The trend is to not pay running backs, its a pass happy league and running backs are fairly easy to find. Thats why you don't see many going in the first round anymore.
Quote from: MU B2002 on July 16, 2012, 01:55:54 PM
Does the new CBA prevent franchising the same player more than once?
No, it doesn't, and that's one of the main issues with the tag. But -- if a player were to be tagged multiple years in a row, they wouldn't necessarily be upset. The CBA states that a Franchise Tag must be an average of the top 5 salaries at that position OR a 120% increase from that players previous years salary -- whichever is GREATER.
So if Matt Forte or Drew Brees were to be tagged let's say 3 or 4 years in a row -- their salary would increase by 20% each year. So if they were making 10 mil in 2012, and were franchised each year for the next 4 years, by 2016 their salary would be 20.25 mil. A team would not be smart to do that because you are basically adding 20% each year on top of the average of the top 5 players at that position when the original tag was placed.
That rule pretty much gurantees that a team will make a deal with a player before continually applying the tag year after year.
QuoteSaints quarterback Drew Brees cleared up a vague part of the franchise-tag rules this week.
With his successful challenge to the franchise rules, no player can be franchised more than three times during his career, no matter if he moves to another team. Brees was franchised once with the San Diego Chargers and this year by the Saints, who felt they also had the ability to franchise him next year at 120 percent of his 2012 salary and possibly a third time in 2014.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8135026/nfl-franchise-tag-decisions-getting-complicated
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System arbitrator Stephen Burbank's ruling Tuesday said if New Orleans tries to tag Brees a second year in a row, he would be entitled to a 44 percent raise to about $23.5 million because it would be his third-career franchise tag. The NFL had argued Brees would be due a 20 percent raise because it would have been only his second franchise tag with one team.
Burbank, however, ruled that while the NFL's CBA has some ambiguity on the matter, it is clear that the overarching purpose of the language regarding multiple franchise tags is meant to protect players from being denied their rights to free agency for an undue length of their careers.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/07/03/saints-drew-brees-arbitration.ap/index.html