NFL Offseason Thread

[MUBurrow]

tremendous value for the packers at a need position in the second round.

edit to acknowledge they traded up to get worthy - but without hearing the details yet, i'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where i would think TT overpaid for the pick

[Chili]

tremendous value for the packers at a need position in the second round.

edit to acknowledge they traded up to get worthy - but without hearing the details yet, i'm having a tough time imagining a scenario where i would think TT overpaid for the pick

2nd and 4th....not bad....

[jesmu84]

If Alshon can keep the weight off, it's a solid 2nd pick for the Bears. Great hands, great size, good teammate/character. Bears now have two 6'3" receivers (likely) starting.

Still pissed we passed on Decastro (starting guard for the next decade) for McClellin...

Detroit takes an injured WR in the 2nd.. what?

[MUBurrow]

2nd and 4th....not bad....

not bad at all. I think its a great pick that gets at the real problem with the GB pass rush. The OLB's off the ends get the flashy sacks, but without good 3-4 ends, its next to impossible for them to apply consistent pressure. On the flip side, if those ends get good push/occupy an extra blocker, mediocre OLBs start to look better and better.

[tower912]

Detroit takes an injured WR in the 2nd.. what?

It is like a bad Matt Millen flashback.   

[Dish]

I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.

[jesmu84]

I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.

Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?

[MerrittsMustache]

Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?

Not Dish but...

Jeffery could be a stud if he wants to work at it. That's a big "if." He had the talent to be a top 15-20 pick, but his work ethic has been very questionable.

Hardin is likely a special teamer and career back-up. 3rd round is too high to take a guy who projects as a special teamer and career back-up. Would have liked to see Massie taken in this spot.

[nyg]

I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.

I turned it off after 5 minutes last night and watched NFL Network.

Chris Berman is a bufoon, who continues to talk in sentences as if he is running out of breath.  He is just out of his time and needs to go.  NFL is more professional and actually showed second/third round picks live, as ESPN goes to commercials.  Like that Maycock guy.  

[MU B2002]

I absolutely hate ESPN's coverage of the draft, hate it, hate it, hate it. Thank god for NFL Network.

I stopped watching and just kept updating twitter, since they had the picks on there about 3-5 min before they were announced.

[Dish]

I turned it off after 5 minutes last night and watched NFL Network.

Chris Berman is a bufoon, who continues to talk in sentences as if he is running out of breath.  He is just out of his time and needs to go.  NFL is more professional and actually showed second/third round picks live, as ESPN goes to commercials.  Like that Maycock guy.  

What pisses me off to no end is ignoring picks like ESPN does. If you're watching the draft tonight, you're a core football fan. Give me insight, analysis, show the picks. ESPN ignores pick after pick. Ridiculous.

[Dish]

Dish... thoughts on Hardin and Jeffrey?

Love the Jeffrey pick, had him pegged per-draft as a WR that was underrated. He had an outstanding SO year, was probably top 20 pick before his JR season. If he can play at around 220, will be match up problem, especially in red zone and 3rd down. Like his instincts and has good hands.

Hardin is interesting. Thought for sure Massie would be the pick, heard as much from former Bears guy. Like him better as S than CB. Really good on special teams, remains to be seen what Bears plans are for him.

[Dish]

Also, I was scared Pack was going to draft LaMichael James. I know he's small, but did not want to see him in green/gold. Loved James going into tonight.

Like Hayward pick a lot. Is plan to have him replace Collins? Probably better S than CB in NFL.

[Blackhat]

Hayward's too small for safety imo.   I think they may move Woodson to safety.

[Dish]

Correct about Hayward being small, he'd have to bulk up to play safety, but his playmaking skills might make him more productive there.

[Blackhat]

Pretty happy with GB's draft so far.   Of course we went D these first two day.   Really like the Worthy pick.   This kid has a chance to be real good, hopefully what Gruden was saying about not being 3 down  was because of double teams wearing him down.   Good quickness for a man his size though.

[MUMac]

Pretty happy with GB's draft so far.   Of course we went D these first two day.   Really like the Worthy pick.   This kid has a chance to be real good, hopefully what Gruden was saying about not being 3 down  was because of double teams wearing him down.   Good quickness for a man his size though.

I was not able to watch tonight, but if Gruden said that, that bears well for the kid.  Thursday, Gruden was as bad as his haircut.  Most everything he said was wrong.  He was awful.  Almost as bad as Berman, and that says a lot.  I agree with Dish, ESPN's coverage has become a joke.  Had started years ago.  I would rather have a root canal without Novocaine than watch ESPN's coverage.

Off my rant and back to the draft.  Really liking the Packers picks so far.  Need and value at all spots.  TT filled some of the major holes.

[Hards Alumni]

I was not able to watch tonight, but if Gruden said that, that bears well for the kid.  Thursday, Gruden was as bad as his haircut.  Most everything he said was wrong.  He was awful.  Almost as bad as Berman, and that says a lot.  I agree with Dish, ESPN's coverage has become a joke.  Had started years ago.  I would rather have a root canal without Novocaine than watch ESPN's coverage.

Off my rant and back to the draft.  Really liking the Packers picks so far.  Need and value at all spots.  TT filled some of the major holes.

John Gruden is the worst person calling sports right now.

He is a moron, and totally unwatchable.

[Blackhat]

John Gruden is the worst person calling sports right now.

He is a moron, and totally unwatchable.

I've never really like the guy's commentary and was surprised how popular he is.   Can only hear "that guy" so much.  He was acting weird yesterday for sure, seemed almost unstable like he wanted to leap out at someone/cry.

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Does Hayward take over as a safety or is he a corner with Woodson taking over primarily at safety at this point? Whats our biggest need still? We should think of taking Kirk Cousins to be Rodgers back up if he's available (unlikely). I'm sure TT will trade a lot of those late round picks to move up again.

[Blackhat]

Hayward is a corner only, imo.

Inside Middle Linebacker needs to be buffed or another DE.   A.J. Hawk is terrible.  O lineman in seventh round.

[Dish]

Massie must have killed someone or something, Bears passed on him twice now, every other team is ignoring him as well. Odd.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Massie must have killed someone or something, Bears passed on him twice now, every other team is ignoring him as well. Odd.

Bears passed him up for a FB/TE? and then he was picked next.  Agree completely about the NFL Network, why does ESPN have so many people on the draft show?

[GGGG]

Nothing but defense again for the Packers.  This draft is reminding me of '99 when, coming off a terrible season of pass defense, the Packers spent their first three picks on cornerbacks....Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson and Mike McKenzie.

Edwards was a bust...Vinson after a strong rookie year as a nickle-back, was traded to Seattle straight up for Ahman Green, and blew out his knee...McKenzie was an All-Pro.

[mugrad2006]

Nothing but defense again for the Packers.  This draft is reminding me of '99 when, coming off a terrible season of pass defense, the Packers spent their first three picks on cornerbacks....Antuan Edwards, Fred Vinson and Mike McKenzie.

Edwards was a bust...Vinson after a strong rookie year as a nickle-back, was traded to Seattle straight up for Ahman Green, and blew out his knee...McKenzie was an All-Pro.

I guess TT must figure that the defense needs help everywhere, why not assume regardless of round some guys pan out and some guys bust.  If three of the guys drafted contribute reasonably well the defense will be significantly better for a team that only lost one regular season game last year.  They don't have to be great defensively, they just can't be among the worst in the league.

Offense has a few holes to fill (still not sure how good line will be losing Scott Wells and Clifton), but was historically good last year. Hopefully Saturday pans out at center.