I know its been brought up time and time again but I've been letting this play out all year and the dude has just not performed. Only saw the court 4 times in his senior season of high school. Its not right, I don't care who is playing in front of him. This is a MAJOR project in my mind I could see Buzz sending him to JUCO for a year. Seems like a nice guy from talking to him on twitter but this might not work out so well. Thoughts?
Sweet! We haven't discussed this 1 yet!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2012, 12:27:04 AM
Sweet! We haven't discussed this 1 yet!
Ya we did. As I stated. But now its the end of the season and things are different.
Even sweeter lets hope you're not a season ticket holder so there's no possibility of a violation for talking to him on twitter before he arrives on campus
I don't really think being a season ticket holder matters...you're still considered a booster.
For talking to someone about daily? Never mentioned anything about basketball...
Quote from: bobnoxious on March 07, 2012, 12:33:55 AM
Even sweeter lets hope you're not a season ticket holder so there's no possibility of a violation for talking to him on twitter before he arrives on campus
Were you going to tell that to the hundreds of other Marquette students who follow him to?
I have a feeling Buzz looks at more than just box scores when considering where a player will be physically/mentally/emotionally in four years.
Just a hunch.
Quote from: strotty on March 07, 2012, 01:09:51 AM
I have a feeling Buzz looks at more than just box scores when considering where a player will be physically/mentally/emotionally in four years.
Just a hunch.
Agreed, but have we ever recruited a player that only saw the court 4 times his senior season?
Amal. Durley was all state as a sophomore. (Small schools) Was doing well at AAU and then transferred and tore his achilles. Ended up behind a top 10 prospect. Still rated one of the top 25 players in Texas. Felt bad about the way he abused the bigs at a mid-major school he visited. Knows he has to work. Has a positive attitude. Is ahead of where Otule was at the same point of his career. Doesn't have to contribute for a couple of years. Is 6'11, 280.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 01:04:07 AMFor talking to someone about daily? Never mentioned anything about basketball...
Doesn't matter. If you are a student, alum, booster, or season ticket holder of Marquette and make contact with a recruit, that is a violation. Doesn't matter if you talk about basketball, weather, school, or toenail fungus, it's a violation of NCAA rules. Do not make any contact with any recruits. You can follow them on Twitter, but do not tweet to them. Don't add them on FaceBook unless they add you first. Even then, probably not a good idea until they are enrolled and taking classes.
And as far as the "hundreds of other Marquette students", probably to better focus on what you can control as an individual, which is whether or not you violate NCAA recruiting rules on Twitter :)
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 01:14:42 AM
Agreed, but have we ever recruited a player that only saw the court 4 times his senior season?
I don't know about that but Buzz signed Jae Crowder after seeing him play only 9 minutes in a JUCO game...
Quote from: muarmy81 on March 07, 2012, 06:56:14 AMI don't know about that but Buzz signed Jae Crowder after seeing him play only 9 minutes in a JUCO game...
Which is 9 minutes more than he saw DJO play.
Following someone on twitter is fine, talking to is something different. How have we not learned this yet?
In Buzz we trust.....he's earned it.
Any questions?
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wzgry is going to have some competition for Worst Poster of the Year Award in 2012.
I would bet he will red-shirt next year as we will probably not get to much time next year with Gardner and Otule back. Wisky redshirts players every year particularly bigs. I am sure in 2014 he will see major time as he will be the only big available. He has the size. I am sure Todd will get him to his right playing weight as well.
I don't think you are going to get an answer that suits you as, to my knowledge, no one on this board has seen him play. So, you may just have to wait until he gets here to answer your questions about him.
Quote from: copious1218 on March 07, 2012, 08:00:44 AM
I don't think you are going to get an answer that suits you as, to my knowledge, no one on this board has seen him play. So, you may just have to wait until he gets here to answer your questions about him.
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Quote from: PTM on March 07, 2012, 07:57:05 AM
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wzgry is going to have some competition for Worst Poster of the Year Award in 2012.
I couldnt agree with you more. +1000
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2012, 07:59:44 AM
I would bet he will red-shirt next year as we will probably not get to much time next year with Gardner and Otule back. Wisky redshirts players every year particularly bigs. I am sure in 2014 he will see major time as he will be the only big available. He has the size. I am sure Todd will get him to his right playing weight as well.
I hope he's not the only big available in 2014. Given our recent history with bigs -- not whining, just stating fact -- I don't doubt this, though.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2012, 06:44:55 AM
Doesn't matter. If you are a student, alum, booster, or season ticket holder of Marquette and make contact with a recruit, that is a violation. Doesn't matter if you talk about basketball, weather, school, or toenail fungus, it's a violation of NCAA rules. Do not make any contact with any recruits. You can follow them on Twitter, but do not tweet to them. Don't add them on FaceBook unless they add you first. Even then, probably not a good idea until they are enrolled and taking classes.
And as far as the "hundreds of other Marquette students", probably to better focus on what you can control as an individual, which is whether or not you violate NCAA recruiting rules on Twitter :)
Does it make a difference now that he has signed his LOI?
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 12:33:25 AM
Ya we did. As I stated. But now its the end of the season and things are different.
What so different about it? That you decided to start a thread and we should be hanging on your every word?
Look, we will find out quite a bit in the coming months. I would be very surprised if he does not show up here this summer. We will then get reports from the Pro Am...practice in the fall...etc.
Not much to say that hasn't already been said.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 07, 2012, 08:36:31 AM
Does it make a difference now that he has signed his LOI?
No. Still can't until he is enrolled and on campus.
This talk always makes me go back to wondering what our team(s) would be like if we had a heart-healthy Liam McMorrow. God he looked so good in warm-ups back in the day.
Also, please feel free to stop telling Kendrick Nunn to come to Marquette on Twitter as well.
Quote from: LightBlueJerseys on March 07, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
This talk always makes me go back to wondering what our team(s) would be like if we had a heart-healthy Liam McMorrow. God he looked so good in warm-ups back in the day.
From the Tennessee Tech website:
QuoteLiam McMorrow 2010-11: Started three games and played in 32 in his first season at Tennessee Tech...averaged 2.8 points per game...scored in double-figures in two games, including a season-high 15 points against Hiwassee College on Dec. 16...grabbed double-figure rebounds in two games, notching 12 boards against Hiwassee on Dec. 16 and against Crowley's Ridge College on Dec. 30...averaged 3.0 rebounds and shot 60 percent from the field in 10.5 minutes per game.
Also their logo is like they combined all three of ours:
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Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2012, 07:59:44 AM
I would bet he will red-shirt next year as we will probably not get to much time next year with Gardner and Otule back. Wisky redshirts players every year particularly bigs. I am sure in 2014 he will see major time as he will be the only big available. He has the size. I am sure Todd will get him to his right playing weight as well.
Why do so many posters love the idea of reshirting? This isn't college football where you have 80 players on scholarship and most HS recruits aren't physically ready to play college football. Scholarships are limited and a lot of coaches don't want to have a player using a scholarship if he can't play and using a scholarship for 5 years. It also comes down to whether or not the player wants to spend 5 years in school.
If Mbao wasn't redshirted, why would we assume that ANY Marquette recruit would be redshirted?
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 07, 2012, 08:23:18 AM
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F*ckin' and BeeJay are here for ya to fill your every need.
Quote from: LightBlueJerseys on March 07, 2012, 08:42:14 AM
This talk always makes me go back to wondering what our team(s) would be like if we had a heart-healthy Liam McMorrow. God he looked so good in warm-ups back in the day.
Roseboro talked pretty good smack too.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 07, 2012, 09:04:14 AM
Why do so many posters love the idea of reshirting? This isn't college football where you have 80 players on scholarship and most HS recruits aren't physically ready to play college football. Scholarships are limited and a lot of coaches don't want to have a player using a scholarship if he can't play and using a scholarship for 5 years. It also comes down to whether or not the player wants to spend 5 years in school.
If Mbao wasn't redshirted, why would we assume that ANY Marquette recruit would be redshirted?
This is pretty much how I think most people think about it. UW is one of the few schools that will use redshirts in basketball, but Bo's rotations are pretty short anyway. Barring injury, Durley will have two years to practice before we will really need something from him anyway.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 07, 2012, 09:02:47 AM
Also thier logo is like they combined all three of ours:
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I f*cking hate our mascot
Aaron Durley is a mystery to me. He must project as having talent if he develops, but must be raw at this point, of course. I'd like to know if he has good hands. He has size. If he has good hands, even if he is very raw, he should be able to develop ala Otule.
Now, my guess is that Buzz may want him to go JUCO or Prep for a year, but that is just a guess on my part. If he went Prep, that would allow him 5 years at MU plus the additional year of playing time at Prep School. So with his size, and if he wants it and is willing to earn it... if he has 5 years to develop, he should be able to do so as long as he has good hands.
When I look at raw big men, the hands are key. Most big guys that have bricks for hands will never have soft hands.
Gardner has incredible hands, touch, and looks like he has stickum on his hands the way he handles the ball.
Quote from: GOO on March 07, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Now, my guess is that Buzz may want him to go JUCO or Prep for a year, but that is just a guess on my part. If he went Prep, that would allow him 5 years at MU plus the additional year of playing time at Prep School.
No that *might* allow him five years at MU. He could go elsewhere.
He has already stated that he is coming to campus. I would be surprised to see him elsewhere.
I think he should go to a year of prep school, and then spend seven years working with elite private coaches and trainers - with equal emphasis on ball handling, post-moves and three point shooting. Pick up 20-30 pounds of muscle and really develop his all around game. Then he can enroll at Marquette as a 27-year old freshman, immediately redshirt so that he can fine-tune his game and pack on another 10 lbs of muscle. Then, finally, my plan will come to fruition when we have finely tuned, chiseled 300 pound basketball machine -- a point-center with four years of eligibility remaining. He'd probably win multiple Wooden awards...if he doesn't go one and done.
Or, I guess he could just come to Marquette next summer, play limited minutes in his Freshman year (and maybe even longer), and hopefully develop into a solid contributor over the next four years.
I think we would be stupid not to take a chance on Durley. The guy is 6'10", 270lbs and athletic.
We have 13 scholarships and will likely have a walk on that could get some minutes as well. We aren't going to have a 14 man rotation. There will be 4-5 players that won't see regular minutes next year.
Why not make one of those players a project big? As long as he has the work ethic (and it sounds like Durley does), there is no doubt that the coaching staff and Todd Smith will turn him into a contributor by his Junior year. Hell, if Durley had a twin brother, I would take him too. I don't care how many minutes he played in high school. Sign him up.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 07, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
I think he should go to a year of prep school, and then spend seven years working with elite private coaches and trainers - with equal emphasis on ball handling, post-moves and three point shooting. Pick up 20-30 pounds of muscle and really develop his all around game. Then he can enroll at Marquette as a 27-year old freshman, immediately redshirt so that he can fine-tune his game and pack on another 10 lbs of muscle. Then, finally, my plan will come to fruition when we have finely tuned, chiseled 300 pound basketball machine -- a point-center with four years of eligibility remaining. He'd probably win multiple Wooden awards...if he doesn't go one and done.
Or, I guess he could just come to Marquette next summer, play limited minutes in his Freshman year (and maybe even longer), and hopefully develop into a solid contributor over the next four years.
You also forgot that he has to become McD AA. Twice.
I think the original posters question is a valid one, it's just been talked about so much at this point. It worries me as well, but it is what it is now. I don't expect him to contribute for a few seasons.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 07, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
I think he should go to a year of prep school, and then spend seven years working with elite private coaches and trainers - with equal emphasis on ball handling, post-moves and three point shooting. Pick up 20-30 pounds of muscle and really develop his all around game.
In some people's minds, that is the equivalent of a redshirt year.
Buzz must have seen something in this kid. Let's give him a chance.
#1 I don't think this is a new topic now that the season is over.
#2 I do think it's a legit question to wonder why the kid didn't play more in HS
#3 Buzz knows way more about hoops than I ever could, so I'll have to defer to his judgement.
#4 With #3 being said, Buzz isn't infallible and has some "misses" in his recruiting past, so see #2.
#5 Redshirting might be an option. I would never suggest it for a guard, but big men can be a little slow to develop, and they are a limited commodity.
#6 The best thing about sports is that all of these questions and speculation will be answered on the court. Proof will be in the pudding.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 07, 2012, 09:04:14 AM
Why do so many posters love the idea of reshirting? This isn't college football where you have 80 players on scholarship and most HS recruits aren't physically ready to play college football. Scholarships are limited and a lot of coaches don't want to have a player using a scholarship if he can't play and using a scholarship for 5 years. It also comes down to whether or not the player wants to spend 5 years in school.
If Mbao wasn't redshirted, why would we assume that ANY Marquette recruit would be redshirted?
First off, anytime during the year the redshirt can be taken off. If he is better than Otule and Gardner, then for sure play him. If he is not going to get any meaningful time that why waste a full year, if and that is a big if, has potential. It has helped a great deal up in Madtown doing that and another blogger stated they are going to have 14 players next year with maybe a 9 or tops 10 man rotation. At least 4 players are going to have a hard time getting on the court. And lastly, name 1 kid who would not want to on campus for at least 5 years.
Like a paid vacation.
Listen, I get the whole fan board mantra that "this is the appropriate forum to discuss these things." But seriously, is the topic even appropriate? I don't think we've discussed the WVU suspensions ad nauseum... maybe we should keep starting threads to discuss an issue that will never see resolution. Or how about starting another thread on how Crean really "screwed us over." Heck, while we're at it, let's just rehash every topic that still went in circles even after we started 47-1/2 threads on that very topic.
Or, we can look at what we do know thus far:
Aaron Durley is BIG.
Aaron Durley is ATHLETIC.
Aaron Durley is COMING TO MU NEXT YEAR.
If you want to discuss Aaron further without sounding like a complete headcase, it would be best to adhere to one of the above three themes.
Leave the JUCO, redshirt, prep school, etc. speculation to the rodents. They'll jump on the topic soon enough (likely sometime following their imminent second round exit), and you can go to their board to discuss. The rest of us... well, we'll just have to stick to better topics to discuss, e.g. the best bars in New Orleans, how awesome Steve Novak is, MU's seed ceiling, how much Louisville sucks, soup schedules, etc.
Durley would look great in a MU uniform. If Phil Nolan has his academics right,
sign him to. At 6-10 with an athletic body. The way previous blogs read, he would like to come to MU or is this BS.
We will have 7 top 100 players on our roster next year along with Gardner, Mayo, and Otule getting significant time. That leaves three more scholarships. I think giving one to a project big with Durley's measurables is not only appropriate, but the smart thing to do.
Hey Benny ---- It's Loserville Sucks!
You can sign as many kids as you want but that means somebody has to leave, lets get thru the season before we discuss that.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2012, 11:02:11 AM
First off, anytime during the year the redshirt can be taken off. If he is better than Otule and Gardner, then for sure play him. If he is not going to get any meaningful time that why waste a full year, if and that is a big if, has potential. It has helped a great deal up in Madtown doing that and another blogger stated they are going to have 14 players next year with maybe a 9 or tops 10 man rotation. At least 4 players are going to have a hard time getting on the court. And lastly, name 1 kid who would not want to on campus for at least 5 years.
Like a paid vacation.
If redshirting is so good for players, why isn't it used more frequently in college basketball? Why don't all teams play with 9-10 players and redshirt everyone on the end of the bench? Why do teams even get 13 scholarships if they only need 10? What is the harm in having another big body to send into the game for a few minutes? By what metrics has it helped in Madison?
If Durley would have been redshirting this season and had the RS taken off when Gardner got hurt, would it have been more beneficial if he had gotten some D1 minutes against the Norfolk States on the schedule or do you think he would have been fine making his D1 debut against Herb Pope then Jack Cooley?
Junior Cadougan is one kid who did not want to be on campus for 5 years. That's part of the reason why he didn't redshirt when injured as a frosh.
Redshirting is not some magical cure-all that automatically makes a player better. It also eats up a scholarship for 5 years instead of 4.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 07, 2012, 09:36:51 AM
I think he should go to a year of prep school, and then spend seven years working with elite private coaches and trainers - with equal emphasis on ball handling, post-moves and three point shooting. Pick up 20-30 pounds of muscle and really develop his all around game. Then he can enroll at Marquette as a 27-year old freshman, immediately redshirt so that he can fine-tune his game and pack on another 10 lbs of muscle. Then, finally, my plan will come to fruition when we have finely tuned, chiseled 300 pound basketball machine -- a point-center with four years of eligibility remaining. He'd probably win multiple Wooden awards...if he doesn't go one and done.
Or, I guess he could just come to Marquette next summer, play limited minutes in his Freshman year (and maybe even longer), and hopefully develop into a solid contributor over the next four years.
But he only played
four times his senior year! Sniffle, sniffle.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 07, 2012, 11:48:49 AM
Redshirting is not some magical cure-all that automatically makes a player better. It also eats up a scholarship for 5 years instead of 4.
Let's look at down the road in Madison for instance. Honestly, it is hard to see many negatives in the redshirting of Brian Butch. But there is really no evidence that he would have been worse by starting the clock a year earlier.
On the opposite side of the coin, JP Gavinski tied up a scholarship for five years and never got any better. Evan Anderson will likely follow in his footsteps - he has been lept in the rotation by a true freshman.
Put it this way - the cost of tying up a scholarship is probably greater than the extra benefit that the player gets his redshirt year.
This would of never been a problem if we were able to land Blaise Mbargorba, but SMU got him instead. Scout grade of 92, top 20 for center, and a 7 footer. Man I would of loved to see him in an MU uni.
I'm pretty sure Durley is going to be at Marquette next year.
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 12:37:36 PM
This would of never been a problem if we were able to land Blaise Mbargorba, but SMU got him instead. Scout grade of 92, top 20 for center, and a 7 footer. Man I would of loved to see him in an MU uni.
Ah yes, because HS rankings predict assured success.
Best regards,
Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Darius Johnson-Odom, Lazar Hayward, Davante Gardner, Todd Mayo, Erik Williams
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 12:37:36 PM
This would of never been a problem if we were able to land Blaise Mbargorba, but SMU got him instead. Scout grade of 92, top 20 for center, and a 7 footer. Man I would of loved to see him in an MU uni.
Wait, you just ignored the three pages of crap you started with this idiotic thread and posted about Mbargorba?
Got to be kidding me.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2012, 06:22:21 AM
Amal. Durley was all state as a sophomore. (Small schools) Was doing well at AAU and then transferred and tore his achilles. Ended up behind a top 10 prospect. Still rated one of the top 25 players in Texas. Felt bad about the way he abused the bigs at a mid-major school he visited. Knows he has to work. Has a positive attitude. Is ahead of where Otule was at the same point of his career. Doesn't have to contribute for a couple of years. Is 6'11, 280.
This, this, this...and if he turns out like Amal did, we all will be GIDDY.
I get that people are concerned about how much he's played in HS, but I am not making any judgments on the kid until he gets on the court here. Give Buzz and the staff time to work with him and develop him, much like they did with OTule. I think he's going to be a solid contributor.
Quote from: PTM on March 07, 2012, 12:58:22 PM
Wait, you just ignored the three pages of crap you started with this idiotic thread and posted about Mbargorba?
Got to be kidding me.
+1
Ugh...
?-(
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 12:37:36 PM
This would of never been a problem if we were able to land Blaise Mbargorba, but SMU got him instead. Scout grade of 92, top 20 for center, and a 7 footer. Man I would of loved to see him in an MU uni.
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Sorry... too lazy to scale.
Not to continue piling on but
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7657131/michigan-wolverines-players-tweets-violated-ncaa-rule
QuoteRoundtree and Demens tweeted to linebacker Mike McCray of Trotwood-Madison High School in Ohio after the highly touted prospect decided to play for the Wolverines. NCAA rules prohibit messages being sent to recruits through social media from accounts affiliated with someone from the school.
Even if you think the NCAA has better things to investigate besides tweets to a player that already committed to Marquette, why risk it?
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 07, 2012, 12:37:36 PM
This would of never been a problem if we were able to land Blaise Mbargorba, but SMU got him instead. Scout grade of 92, top 20 for center, and a 7 footer. Man I would of loved to see him in an MU uni.
Mbargorba is Scout #28 Center...three stars. Durley is not rated, but that just means he is >30...but also three stars. Other non-rated three star centers include players that have committed to Texas, Indiana, Missouri (2 of them), Baylor, etc.
It very well could be that Buzz preferred Durley, but we don't know that. But you are saying nothing that suggests that Blaise is better than Durley.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 07, 2012, 02:58:28 PM
Mbargorba is Scout #28 Center...three stars. Durley is not rated, but that just means he is >30...but also three stars. Other non-rated three star centers include players that have committed to Texas, Indiana, Missouri (2 of them), Baylor, etc.
It very well could be that Buzz preferred Durley, but we don't know that. But you are saying nothing that suggests that Blaise is better than Durley.
Exactly. Hypotheticals don't really work well in real life discussions. For example, We would have won the National Championship in '03 if Carmello and Bosh had both decided to play at MU instead of Syracuse and Georgia Tech. Well, they didn't, so let's get back to reality.
Thought this article about communicating with recruits might interest some of you
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Michigan-players-may-have-violated-NCAA-rule-030712
Wouldn't be surprised if Durley is Mbao 2.0
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 07, 2012, 09:54:42 PMWouldn't be surprised if Durley is Mbao 2.0
Wouldn't be surprised if Durley is Otule+
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2012, 10:05:14 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Durley is Otule+
I'm thinkin' he'll be more towards the Otule spectrum in terms of defense and more towards the Gardner spectrum in terms of offense. Not as good as either at their respective strong side of the court, but not as weak as either as their respective weak side of the court. In other words, a very solid big man - one that would have been perfect for the three amigos as a junior/senior. Still a crime they never got to play with a halfway decent center, but I digress...
Speaking of Mbao he's currently at Marshall and getting 6 minutes a game , .3 pts, 2 rebs. RS Soph
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 07, 2012, 11:07:26 PM
Speaking of Mbao he's currently at Marshall and getting 6 minutes a game , .3 pts, 2 rebs. RS Soph
And if Durley turns out to be anything like Mbao, he'll likely be putting up those numbers for a Marshall-esqsue program as well after a year or two. No harm in taking a flyer here. We're deep enough at the position for another two years. If he pans out, well then giddyup. I see no downside.
I don't see a problem either. Obviously can go either way but if we're being real not playing competitively your senior year and then coming to high DI you're either gonna need A LOT of time or fizz out. Hopefully he gets on a better developmental track than in hs (which he should, more intensive practice). Remember Buzz saying Mbao was the most athletic big he's had ever and he had a rough go of it.
Quote from: reinko on March 07, 2012, 12:53:02 PM
Ah yes, because HS rankings predict assured success.
Best regards,
Jae Crowder, Jimmy Butler, Darius Johnson-Odom, Lazar Hayward, Davante Gardner, Todd Mayo, Erik Williams
I was just making a point that we were in on him and what he was rated on ESPN.
I have no clue how Durley will work out at Marquette. Either way, I think it's pretty dumb to not adapt your offense to fit two centers who are going to high major schools. I get that it's not his game plan, but it's ridiculous to sit a high level recruit for entire HIGH SCHOOL GAMES because it doesn't adhere to the way you do things. If he's anywhere near how good his recruitment suggests, then he should be playing a bit.
Quote from: Stone Cold on March 07, 2012, 09:54:42 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if Durley is Mbao 2.0
Given Durley's size, he'd be more like Mbao 5.0.
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on March 08, 2012, 07:30:16 AM
Given Durley's size, he'd be more like Mbao 5.0.
How about Mbao 2.80?
Quote from: THEultimateWARRIOR on March 08, 2012, 12:27:01 AM
I was just making a point that we were in on him and what he was rated on ESPN.
And I was just making the point that Blaise and Durley were not rated that differently.
My personal opinion/hunch:
Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 08, 2012, 08:54:45 AM
My personal opinion/hunch:
Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.
Good hunch. This scenario would not surprise me at all.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 08, 2012, 08:54:45 AM
My personal opinion/hunch:
Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.
This makes sense. Assuming Otule is healthy we won't need Durley for at least one and maybe two years. He barely played this year - I think that rather than coming to Milwaukee for 1-2 years of the same he would be better off playing somewhere.
Meh.... I'd rather have Durley cutting his teeth against Chris and Davante for two full years.
To compare Mbao to Durley without having seen the latter in D-I competition is completely insane. Mbao was tall, but he wasn't an athlete. Durley is an athlete who happens to be tall. Big difference. Not to mention that we all saw firsthand what Mbao was/wasn't capable of at the high major level; we have no idea what Durley is capable of... he could just as easily be ROY in 2012-13 as he could a 1st semester flameout.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 08, 2012, 09:12:41 AM
This makes sense. Assuming Otule is healthy we won't need Durley for at least one and maybe two years. He barely played this year - I think that rather than coming to Milwaukee for 1-2 years of the same he would be better off playing somewhere.
Actually this makes little sense because it involves great risk for both parties. If Durley goes JUCO, he loses a year of eligibility. Furthermore if he gets injured, MU has no real obligation to him anymore. For MU, if he goes JUCO, we very well could lose him to another school. It would make little sense to sign him to an LOI only to run the risk of letting him go elsewhere.
I will be incredibly surprised if he isn't here this summer. Especially since the Durley family shot down JUCO rumors pretty strongly last November.
http://painttouches.com/2011/11/27/despite-rumors-durley-remains-fully-committed-to-marquette/
Let me also add, that with no scholies to give for 2013 as of right now, the only way this move makes sense is if Buzz wants another 2012 prospect. And I don't see anyone that we are all that interested in. (And don't say Philip Nolan because there is no evidence that we are all that interested any longer.)
Recalling the story that he lacks tenacity because he's afraid to pummel small guys, prep school/Juco probably won't change that. Getting him to campus might. Otule is his size, Gardner is shorter but heavier and not afraid of getting at it in the post. If Otule and Gardner are healthy next year, even if they aren't and we go small because Durley just isn't ready to contribute we'll get more value bringing him in with a redshirt than relying on some other coach somewhere else to help him improve and hoping he still comes here. Of course if someone can find another 6'10" 270 pound kid that wants to come here next year and has a better game I'm all ears.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2012, 09:23:44 AM
Actually this makes little sense because it involves great risk for both parties. If Durley goes JUCO, he loses a year of eligibility. Furthermore if he gets injured, flames out, fails to develop or if MU finds someone it likes better, MU has no real obligation whatsoever to him anymore. For MU, if he goes JUCO, we very well could lose him to another school. It would make little sense to sign him to an LOI only to run the risk of letting him go elsewhere.
Aside from the minor corrections, I agree with you completely.
After I typed this, it occurred to me that I might be wrong -- that MU might still have some obligations. I decided to leave it up there and take my well-deserved beating if I'm wrong. If someone could answer that, I'd appreciate it.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2012, 09:46:32 AM
Aside from the minor corrections, I agree with you completely.
After I typed this, it occurred to me that I might be wrong -- that MU might still have some obligations. I decided to leave it up there and take my well-deserved beating if I'm wrong. If someone could answer that, I'd appreciate it.
If he is at MU and suffers a career ending injury, MU would at least take care of him. (Liam was going to receive a full-ride academic scholarship if he decided to drop basketball.) If he flames out on the basketball court, MU would only have a one year obligation to him anyway.
This is what I mean for those who are advocating JUCO or Prep....it only makes sense IF you want to add another 2012. If he isn't good on the court, his scholarship can be rescinded after one year anyway. There is very little risk for MU, and a potentially huge upside.
This is why I don't understand why people get so upset about this.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2012, 09:54:31 AM
If he is at MU and suffers a career ending injury, MU would at least take care of him. (Liam was going to receive a full-ride academic scholarship if he decided to drop basketball.) If he flames out on the basketball court, MU would only have a one year obligation to him anyway.
This is what I mean for those who are advocating JUCO or Prep....it only makes sense IF you want to add another 2012. If he isn't good on the court, his scholarship can be rescinded after one year anyway. There is very little risk for MU, and a potentially huge upside.
This is why I don't understand why people get so upset about this.
But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever? Under any circumstance?
I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit. If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him. Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2012, 10:07:30 AM
But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever? Under any circumstance?
I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit. If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him. Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not.
OK, but why would MU run this risk at all? The only downsides that I can see of bringing him here is...
...that he suffers some sort of injury and we are obligated to keep him, OR
...that we want another 2012 to take his scholarship and no one else transfers.
I think the first circumstance is fairly remote. I think the second circumstance would make sense if we had someone in mind. But I don't see Buzz making noise with any potential spring signees. I mean, if he simply isn't good, he can transfer and we have another 2013 available.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2012, 10:07:30 AM
But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever? Under any circumstance?
I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit. If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him. Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not.
You are correct. If a player doesn't enroll at MU (i.e. he enrolls JUCO), then the NLI is basically null and void.
I believe - but am not certain - that under this scenario, a player could attend a different BE school.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 08, 2012, 10:15:25 AM
OK, but why would MU run this risk at all? The only downsides that I can see of bringing him here is...
...that he suffers some sort of injury and we are obligated to keep him, OR
...that we want another 2012 to take his scholarship and no one else transfers.
I think the first circumstance is fairly remote. I think the second circumstance would make sense if we had someone in mind. But I don't see Buzz making noise with any potential spring signees. I mean, if he simply isn't good, he can transfer and we have another 2013 available.
Maybe we're not communicating...I don't want Durley to go JUCO. I want him in an MU uniform next season, getting however many (or however few) minutes he deserves. I interpreted your post to mean that there is very little risk in having AD go to JUCO, but upon reading again, I realize that I interpreted it wrong (not sure how because you were pretty clear).
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 08, 2012, 10:26:44 AM
Maybe we're not communicating...I don't want Durley to go JUCO. I want him in an MU uniform next season, getting however many (or however few) minutes he deserves. I interpreted your post to mean that yhere is very little risk in having AD go to JUCO, but upon reading again, I realize that I interpreted it wrong.
OK no problem. There are definitely risks if he goes JUCO...the biggest one being that he "blows up" and decides to go elsewhere. Smaller risks are that he doesn't develop at JUCO as much as he could here, and that we don't have another body around when we could use one. (Think of this year with Davante and Otule both injured.) Considering there is very little downside risk, we should want him here.
Can't believe this thread has made it to 4 pages. If we consolidate all of these Durley threads together, they might break 50. And of those 50, maybe one page max would condense everyone's feelings.
No new ground here, so I think that means we need another new thread!