Another Aaron Durley thread

[Hards Alumni]

My personal opinion/hunch:

Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.

[MUfan12]

My personal opinion/hunch:

Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.

Good hunch. This scenario would not surprise me at all.

[Lennys Tap]

My personal opinion/hunch:

Durley goes to Juco and then makes his way to MU, and ends up being a really solid center, better than Otule.

This makes sense. Assuming Otule is healthy we won't need Durley for at least one and maybe two years. He barely played this year - I think that rather than coming to Milwaukee for 1-2 years of the same he would be better off playing somewhere.

[Benny B]

Meh.... I'd rather have Durley cutting his teeth against Chris and Davante for two full years.

To compare Mbao to Durley without having seen the latter in D-I competition is completely insane.  Mbao was tall, but he wasn't an athlete.  Durley is an athlete who happens to be tall.  Big difference.  Not to mention that we all saw firsthand what Mbao was/wasn't capable of at the high major level; we have no idea what Durley is capable of... he could just as easily be ROY in 2012-13 as he could a 1st semester flameout.

[GGGG]

This makes sense. Assuming Otule is healthy we won't need Durley for at least one and maybe two years. He barely played this year - I think that rather than coming to Milwaukee for 1-2 years of the same he would be better off playing somewhere.

Actually this makes little sense because it involves great risk for both parties.  If Durley goes JUCO, he loses a year of eligibility.  Furthermore if he gets injured, MU has no real obligation to him anymore.  For MU, if he goes JUCO, we very well could lose him to another school.  It would make little sense to sign him to an LOI only to run the risk of letting him go elsewhere.

I will be incredibly surprised if he isn't here this summer.  Especially since the Durley family shot down JUCO rumors pretty strongly last November.

http://painttouches.com/2011/11/27/despite-rumors-durley-remains-fully-committed-to-marquette/

Let me also add, that with no scholies to give for 2013 as of right now, the only way this move makes sense is if Buzz wants another 2012 prospect.  And I don't see anyone that we are all that interested in.  (And don't say Philip Nolan because there is no evidence that we are all that interested any longer.)

[chapman]

Recalling the story that he lacks tenacity because he's afraid to pummel small guys, prep school/Juco probably won't change that.  Getting him to campus might.  Otule is his size, Gardner is shorter but heavier and not afraid of getting at it in the post.  If Otule and Gardner are healthy next year, even if they aren't and we go small because Durley just isn't ready to contribute we'll get more value bringing him in with a redshirt than relying on some other coach somewhere else to help him improve and hoping he still comes here.  Of course if someone can find another 6'10" 270 pound kid that wants to come here next year and has a better game I'm all ears.

[StillAWarrior]

Actually this makes little sense because it involves great risk for both parties.  If Durley goes JUCO, he loses a year of eligibility.  Furthermore if he gets injured, flames out, fails to develop or if MU finds someone it likes better, MU has no real obligation whatsoever to him anymore.  For MU, if he goes JUCO, we very well could lose him to another school.  It would make little sense to sign him to an LOI only to run the risk of letting him go elsewhere.

Aside from the minor corrections, I agree with you completely.

After I typed this, it occurred to me that I might be wrong -- that MU might still have some obligations.  I decided to leave it up there and take my well-deserved beating if I'm wrong.  If someone could answer that, I'd appreciate it.

[GGGG]

Aside from the minor corrections, I agree with you completely.

After I typed this, it occurred to me that I might be wrong -- that MU might still have some obligations.  I decided to leave it up there and take my well-deserved beating if I'm wrong.  If someone could answer that, I'd appreciate it.

If he is at MU and suffers a career ending injury, MU would at least take care of him.  (Liam was going to receive a full-ride academic scholarship if he decided to drop basketball.)  If he flames out on the basketball court, MU would only have a one year obligation to him anyway.

This is what I mean for those who are advocating JUCO or Prep....it only makes sense IF you want to add another 2012.  If he isn't good on the court, his scholarship can be rescinded after one year anyway.  There is very little risk for MU, and a potentially huge upside. 

This is why I don't understand why people get so upset about this. 

[StillAWarrior]

If he is at MU and suffers a career ending injury, MU would at least take care of him.  (Liam was going to receive a full-ride academic scholarship if he decided to drop basketball.)  If he flames out on the basketball court, MU would only have a one year obligation to him anyway.

This is what I mean for those who are advocating JUCO or Prep....it only makes sense IF you want to add another 2012.  If he isn't good on the court, his scholarship can be rescinded after one year anyway.  There is very little risk for MU, and a potentially huge upside. 

This is why I don't understand why people get so upset about this. 

But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever?  Under any circumstance?

I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit.  If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him.  Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not. 

[GGGG]

But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever?  Under any circumstance?

I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit.  If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him.  Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not. 

OK, but why would MU run this risk at all?  The only downsides that I can see of bringing him here is...

...that he suffers some sort of injury and we are obligated to keep him, OR

...that we want another 2012 to take his scholarship and no one else transfers.

I think the first circumstance is fairly remote.  I think the second circumstance would make sense if we had someone in mind.  But I don't see Buzz making noise with any potential spring signees.  I mean, if he simply isn't good, he can transfer and we have another 2013 available.

[Benny B]

But am I correct that if a player goes JUCO, MU would have absolutely no obligation to him whatsoever?  Under any circumstance?

I guess the risk, as I see it, is losing the recruit.  If that "huge upside" becomes apparent in the first year of JUCO, you might lose him.  Depending on how good you think he is, that might be a very small risk, or it might not. 

You are correct.  If a player doesn't enroll at MU (i.e. he enrolls JUCO), then the NLI is basically null and void.

I believe - but am not certain - that under this scenario, a player could attend a different BE school.

[StillAWarrior]

OK, but why would MU run this risk at all?  The only downsides that I can see of bringing him here is...

...that he suffers some sort of injury and we are obligated to keep him, OR

...that we want another 2012 to take his scholarship and no one else transfers.

I think the first circumstance is fairly remote.  I think the second circumstance would make sense if we had someone in mind.  But I don't see Buzz making noise with any potential spring signees.  I mean, if he simply isn't good, he can transfer and we have another 2013 available.

Maybe we're not communicating...I don't want Durley to go JUCO.  I want him in an MU uniform next season, getting however many (or however few) minutes he deserves.  I interpreted your post to mean that there is very little risk in having AD go to JUCO, but upon reading again, I realize that I interpreted it wrong (not sure how because you were pretty clear).

[GGGG]

Maybe we're not communicating...I don't want Durley to go JUCO.  I want him in an MU uniform next season, getting however many (or however few) minutes he deserves.  I interpreted your post to mean that yhere is very little risk in having AD go to JUCO, but upon reading again, I realize that I interpreted it wrong.

OK no problem.  There are definitely risks if he goes JUCO...the biggest one being that he "blows up" and decides to go elsewhere.  Smaller risks are that he doesn't develop at JUCO as much as he could here, and that we don't have another body around when we could use one.  (Think of this year with Davante and Otule both injured.)  Considering there is very little downside risk, we should want him here.

[MUMac]

Can't believe this thread has made it to 4 pages.  If we consolidate all of these Durley threads together, they might break 50.  And of those 50, maybe one page max would condense everyone's feelings.  

No new ground here, so I think that means we need another new thread!