Brutal assessment of UWMad. Pretty generous to MU. Supposedly from a coach from respective conference:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/29/scouting.reports/index.html
Marquette: Best transition team in Division I. The Golden Eagles' weakness is their lack of size, but I don't know that they're not better without Davante Gardner in there, because it slows them down at one position. Good luck with Darius Johnson-Odom. He's just so good at getting to your body with those shoulders. You can't help but go backward. And if Jae Crowder keeps doing what he's doing from the perimeter, he's a matchup nightmare because he can play the four or the five. All they scream on their bench is, "Paint!" They want paint touches, so you have to play shell defense and make them jump shooters. They could be a Final Four team, but I wish they had another 6-6, 6-7 muscle guy who could get some rebounds for them.
Wisconsin: I don't really respect the way they play. Jordan Taylor likes to run and grab you, and then throw his head back and try to get a call. If you set a pick, they take a dive. They cheat the game. Everybody raves about this defensive juggernaut, but that's bull. They dribble the clock out and mug you out of the building. Part of the reason they lost to Cornell and Davidson is because when you get into the tournament, refs outside the Big Ten don't fall for that. Taylor is kind of struggling, but they're always going to be in the game because they're not going to shoot until there are six seconds left on the shot clock. Then they give it to Taylor. That's their offense. They don't even run the swing as much as they used to. Taylor plays no defense because he's trying to save his energy. Jared Berggren, Josh Gasser and Mike Bruesewitz have all had fabulous seasons, and Ryan Evans has really taken his game to the next level. They're going to be in every game because of the way they play and the fact that they have a lot of weapons.
Wow....that was brutal. Furthermore, their game rests too much on 3 pointers for my sake.
As for MU, yeah we are slower with Gardner in there. But I don't think we are better off without him. We played very well with him in there as well. At least it gives us another option.
Remember when all we heard last year was "why can't we be more like Wisconsin?"
Gross.
I think that is a pretty fair and accurate statement. I think the big loss would be Gardner in the tournament when the game slows down a bit (is this proven or just a general thought) and we lose a way to matchup with teams. With Gardner, we had another solid option in the half court and he could draw fouls.
Brutal on Madison. I think it was pretty harsh. One thing I will agree with is Taylor initiates a lot of contact. I noticed it when I went to the UW-MU game, especially when there is a screen on top. He initiates the contact going around the screen, but it looks like the guy is hanging on him.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 02, 2012, 11:12:57 AM
Wow....that was brutal. Furthermore, their game rests too much on 3 pointers for my sake.
As for MU, yeah we are slower with Gardner in there. But I don't think we are better off without him. We played very well with him in there as well. At least it gives us another option.
No question about it, we're better off with Gardner. Gives us the ability to play more than one style and mitigates some weaknesses.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 02, 2012, 11:15:43 AM
No question about it, we're better off with Gardner. Gives us the ability to play more than one style and mitigates some weaknesses.
Exactly. That being said, I don't think we need him to play as many minutes as he was pre-injury. I think even just 12-15 a game out of him to come in, give a few fouls, but mostly pound it inside on offense and change things up a bit would go a long, long way for us.
Brusewitz has had a "fabulous" season?! That's a stretch. The bar must be set really low on Mr. Perm's game, as he's shooting under 40% from the floor and under 30% on 3s.
I think that was the most brutal assessment of a Top 25 team I have ever seen. Wow. :o
I don't know about "cheating" the game. That is a bit rough. Almost gets too personal here.
Regarding the tourney, it is not like UW never wins in the tourney. Their style may limit their ability to get to the Final Four (without a bunch more talent) but it does not limit them getting to the Sweet Sixteen.
p.s. oh, a Big Ten coach wrote that, not Davis. Wow, wonder if that was Crean! LOL.
They cheat the game. The tourney refs don't fall for it. It's true, and now it's out in the open.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 02, 2012, 11:27:21 AM
I think that was the most brutal assessment of a Top 25 team I have ever seen. Wow. :o
I don't know about "cheating" the game. That is a bit rough. Davis almost gets too personal here.
Regarding the tourney, it is not like UW never wins in the tourney. Their style may limit their ability to get to the Final Four (without a bunch more talent) but it does not limit them getting to the Sweet Sixteen.
These are statements of two coaches within the conference giving their assessment of those teams.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 02, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
Remember when all we heard last year was "why can't we be more like Wisconsin?"
Gross.
I do indeed. Wonder how he'd feel about about his non juco, high IQ traditionals being called out for "cheating the game". Wouldn't it be hilarious/ironic if the source was TC?
I'd bet anything that the Wisconsin thing was expressed by Tubby Smith
I hate Wisconsin's style of play as much as anyone around, but to call them cheating the game I think is a little ridiculous
Quote from: LAZER on March 02, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
I hate Wisconsin's style of play as much as anyone around, but to call them cheating the game I think is a little ridiculous
agree. If the rulebook doesn't forbid it, it's fair game.
I am sure that back in the day, plenty of folks thought Marquette's famous four-corner stall was "cheating", too.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on March 02, 2012, 11:48:22 AM
I'd bet anything that the Wisconsin thing was expressed by Tubby Smith
Probably a good bet. Although I wouldn't be surprised if that was some type of assistant coach. Maybe not though.
HAHAHA ... the take on UW is one of the funniest things I've seen all week... right up there with that hack Matthew Berry ranking Joe Mauer 176th in his fantasy baseball rankings
Quote from: warriorchick on March 02, 2012, 11:54:31 AM
agree. If the rulebook doesn't forbid it, it's fair game.
True, but I think the implication is that the are bending the rules (grabbing and mugging) and only succeed because they aren't called for it.
The flopping is annoying, as is the glacial pace, but those aren't violations of the rules; they're just violations of good taste and general aesthetic principles.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 02, 2012, 11:54:31 AM
agree. If the rulebook doesn't forbid it, it's fair game.
I am sure that back in the day, plenty of folks thought Marquette's famous four-corner stall was "cheating", too.
Actually the clutching and grabbing is forbidden by the rulebook and it was North Carolina's famous four corner stall.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2012, 11:57:42 AM
Probably a good bet. Although I wouldn't be surprised if that was some type of assistant coach. Maybe not though.
If it was a head coach, my money is on Thad Matta.
I couldn't have summed up "Bucky-ball" any better. Great hustle, Seth Davis. He's come around, after not ranking us earlier in the season. Better late than never.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
Actually the clutching and grabbing is forbidden by the rulebook and it was North Carolina's famous four corner stall.
We used to stall, too...while the band played the Warrior battle song.
And if the clutching and grabbing aren't called by the refs, you can't blame them for trying to get away with it.
They could be a Final Four team, but I wish they had another 6-6, 6-7 muscle guy who could get some rebounds for them.
Me too!
As for the assessment on Bucky, I literally laughed out loud while I was reading it. Brutally honest.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
Actually the clutching and grabbing is forbidden by the rulebook and it was North Carolina's famous four corner stall.
Yep. Our's was more a center weave off the top of key post. My memory is very vague but it seems to me that Larry McNeill epitomised the wonderful passing out of that post position during his two years.
Quote from: lab_warrior on March 02, 2012, 12:35:51 PM
I couldn't have summed up "Bucky-ball" any better. Great hustle, Seth Davis. He's come around, after not ranking us earlier in the season. Better late than never.
Yep. He kept us off the polls for a couple of weeks, too. I'm a proponent of his assessment of UW ball. Love it.
Quote from: Carl Spackler on March 02, 2012, 10:58:44 AM
Wisconsin: I don't really respect the way they play. Jordan Taylor likes to run and grab you, and then throw his head back and try to get a call. If you set a pick, they take a dive. They cheat the game. Everybody raves about this defensive juggernaut, but that's bull. They dribble the clock out and mug you out of the building. Part of the reason they lost to Cornell and Davidson is because when you get into the tournament, refs outside the Big Ten don't fall for that. Taylor is kind of struggling, but they're always going to be in the game because they're not going to shoot until there are six seconds left on the shot clock. Then they give it to Taylor. That's their offense. They don't even run the swing as much as they used to. Taylor plays no defense because he's trying to save his energy. Jared Berggren, Josh Gasser and Mike Bruesewitz have all had fabulous seasons, and Ryan Evans has really taken his game to the next level. They're going to be in every game because of the way they play and the fact that they have a lot of weapons.
:o
My friend who coaches HS ball in Jersey has consistently parroted the theory that Wisconsin "cheats" the game as well. Not too many people are fond of the bullcrap acting to get whistles.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on March 02, 2012, 02:10:57 PM
:o
My friend who coaches HS ball in Jersey has consistently parroted the theory that Wisconsin "cheats" the game as well. Not too many people are fond of the bullcrap acting to get whistles.
Acting to get whistles is a part of every sport and every team does it. As much as I agree with you, everybody does it, MU included.
I just enjoyed Bucky getting called out at all. Aside from us, most everyone else fawns over Bo and his system and discipline. You almost never see anything critical. Good stuff.
Quote from: LAZER on March 02, 2012, 02:30:27 PM
Acting to get whistles is a part of every sport and every team does it. As much as I agree with you, everybody does it, MU included.
Reggie Miller was notoriously known for this
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2012, 12:24:30 PM
Actually the clutching and grabbing is forbidden by the rulebook and it was North Carolina's famous four corner stall.
They grab constantly, so much that the refs don't call it or they'd be calling it on every play. Watch cutters in the lane without the ball, they get grabbed all the time by UW. They almost dare the refs to call it on everyplay and the refs don't do it.
Quote from: LAZER on March 02, 2012, 02:30:27 PM
Acting to get whistles is a part of every sport and every team does it. As much as I agree with you, everybody does it, MU included.
Agree. But the bullshit part of the acting is what's bothersome to people. It's clear as day when they "cheat" a call rather then "embellish" to get the whistle. Everyone does the latter as you suggest. Few do the former as well as Madison.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on March 02, 2012, 11:58:06 AM
HAHAHA ... the take on UW is one of the funniest things I've seen all week... right up there with that hack Matthew Berry ranking Joe Mauer 176th in his fantasy baseball rankings
Mauer's worthless if he can't stay healthy. Might be the worst contract in baseball right now.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on March 02, 2012, 03:13:05 PM
Mauer's worthless if he can't stay healthy. Might be the worst contract in baseball right now.
It was until the Cardinals gave Molina his contract
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on March 02, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
It was until the Cardinals gave Molina his contract
Adam Dunn... i wish he was injured so we didn't feel obligated to play him.
Quote from: Bieberhole69 on March 02, 2012, 03:21:06 PM
It was until the Cardinals gave Molina his contract
Molina is rarely injured, he's one of the best defensive catchers of his generation, he's become a good clutch hitter and he has two more World Series rings than Mauer and me combined.
He might not be "worth" his contract, but who is? (Actually, they all are. You're worth what somebody will pay you.)
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2012, 03:36:01 PM
Molina is rarely injured, he's one of the best defensive catchers of his generation, he's become a good clutch hitter and he has two more World Series rings than Mauer and me combined.
He might not be "worth" his contract, but who is? (Actually, they all are. You're worth what somebody will pay you.)
Yeah it was more of a tongue in cheek comment. There are a lot worse contracts out there, but paying that caliber of player that much money while he enters the downside of his career on a team that has a payroll <100MM isn't a smart move. But back to the Seth Davis article...
Starting to think that may have been Tom Crean who made those remarks about Wisconsin.
Quote from: murespect on March 02, 2012, 03:24:16 PM
Adam Dunn... i wish he was injured so we didn't feel obligated to play him.
+1. For 18 million the Sox got the WORST season ever for an uninjured guy with 400+ ABs. He was so bad he could have the second worst season of his career this season and win the comeback player of the year award.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 02, 2012, 09:15:37 PM
+1. For 18 million the Sox got the WORST season ever for an uninjured guy with 400+ ABs. He was so bad he could have the second worst season of his career this season and win the comeback player of the year award.
Arguably -- and not a very difficult argument -- the worst offensive season in baseball history.
Quote from: LAZER on March 02, 2012, 11:50:24 AM
I hate Wisconsin's style of play as much as anyone around, but to call them cheating the game I think is a little ridiculous
Grabbing an opposing player and pulling him into your body then pretending that he ran into you isn't cheating the game? Flopping on no contact screens isn't cheating the game? Some people think that faking fouls isn't cheating, but part of the game. I'm in the other camp. Basketball talent should be playing the game, not fooling the referees.
Michael Jordan enjoyed fooling the referees and he was a fairly talented basketball player.
Bucky got called on their game clock scam
Quote from: MU_LOL on March 02, 2012, 02:07:45 PM
Yep. He kept us off the polls for a couple of weeks, too. I'm a proponent of his assessment of UW ball. Love it.
It's not Davis' assessment. It's a combination of the comments of two Big Ten coaches.
A couple of my friends who are Bucky fans are furious. It is hilarious to hear them try to defend Bucky Ball.
Berggreen, Brusewitz have not had fabulous seasons. Bucky doesn't clutch and grab in the open court, so they don't get called. The are very physical, but they generally don't reach. And their box out techniques are very good, moving the opponent with their lower bodies. Their pace is unwatchable, their fanbase is ignorant, and this year, if they are shooting poorly, they are likely to lose.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 02, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
Remember when all we heard last year was "why can't we be more like Wisconsin?"
Gross.
They were right. You should want to be more like Wisconsin. The facts are the facts.
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8342/wisconsinmarquettecompa.jpg)
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 03, 2012, 08:40:06 AM
A couple of my friends who are Bucky fans are furious. It is hilarious to hear them try to defend Bucky Ball.
Nothing to defend. We have been the dominant program for more than a decade in the state. You guys call it traditional, whatever that means. We have quality kids, good basketball players and we win. We just keep winning. We will go farther than Marquette this year in the NCAA tournament. Only once in the last decade have you gone farther than we have, some years we have gone the same distance. That won't change this year.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
They were right. You should want to be more like Wisconsin. The facts are the facts.
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8342/wisconsinmarquettecompa.jpg)
December 03, 2011. Marquette 61, Wisconsin 54. Advantage, Marquette.
The tournament is largely about matchups. UW-Madison has had some very fortunate draws along the way (how many of those wins are against double digit seeds?).
MU and UW are 5-5 over the last 10. You have a different definition of dominant than I do.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
Nothing to defend. We have been the dominant program for more than a decade in the state. You guys call it traditional, whatever that means. We have quality kids, good basketball players and we win. We just keep winning. We will go farther than Marquette this year in the NCAA tournament. Only once in the last decade have you gone farther than we have, some years we have gone the same distance. That won't change this year.
Bob, go ef yourself. Troll.
Quote from: PVMagic on March 03, 2012, 02:06:28 PM
December 03, 2011. Marquette 61, Wisconsin 54. Advantage, Marquette.
The tournament is largely about matchups. UW-Madison has had some very fortunate draws along the way (how many of those wins are against double digit seeds?).
MU and UW are 5-5 over the last 10. You have a different definition of dominant than I do.
Dominant is what you do in the post season. The table I provided is quite clear on who has dominated in this state. It isn't close
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 03, 2012, 02:12:02 PM
Bob, go ef yourself. Troll.
Not very Catholic or Christian of you.
I cheer for Marquette when they aren't playing Wisconsin. You guys just have a factual problem that needed to be addressed.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
Not very Catholic or Christian of you.
I cheer for Marquette when they aren't playing Wisconsin. You guys just have a factual problem that needed to be addressed.
Bob, ef you. Troll.
Bob, enjoy your whiteness.
Best,
warrior07
Doesn't Bob have a protest to attend? :'(
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 03, 2012, 03:33:22 PM
Doesn't Bob have a protest to attend? :'(
He would have to leave his mom's basement first.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
Not very Catholic or Christian of you.
I cheer for Marquette when they aren't playing Wisconsin. You guys just have a factual problem that needed to be addressed.
:'( :'( :'(
Remember when Marquette went to the Kohl Hole and suspended it's starting point guard for the game, starting a freshman in his place, who shut down Wisconsin's "All American" (hah!) point guard, and won? Weird.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
They were right. You should want to be more like Wisconsin. The facts are the facts.
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8342/wisconsinmarquettecompa.jpg)
I still think the article was over the top on bashing Wisconsin. But Bob's post here is another good example of Badgers fans that think basketball started in 2000. Of that list of eight categories Wisconsin leads in 2, Marquette 4, and a few of the categories make no sense because Marquette has only been in a conference for about one sixth of their history so those are moot.
But, yes, let us all pretend no one ever played basketball before 2000.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on March 03, 2012, 06:51:37 PM
I still think the article was over the top on bashing Wisconsin. But Bob's post here is another good example of Badgers fans that think basketball started in 2000. Of that list of eight categories Wisconsin leads in 2, Marquette 4, and a few of the categories make no sense because has only been in a conference for about one sixth of their history so those are moot.
But, yes, let us all pretend no one ever played basketball before 2000.
You mean there was basketball before 2000?
I guess it proves that anyone can cherry pick to make their point. Sort of like the old saying, figures don't lie, liars figure. UW had a better overall decade than MU in the 2000's. What does that mean? Nothing more than that - except to Bob.
I will be interested to see this same list for 2010-2023. As things are going right now, I will take the Warriors future over the Badgers past.
Ignore uw-madison trolls. They're a lot like Minnesota Vinkings fans: They talk a lot, but does it really matter since they've never won a championship?
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 03, 2012, 03:33:22 PM
Doesn't Bob have a protest to attend? :'(
Or a building to trash?
Quote from: Jamailman on March 02, 2012, 11:13:43 AM
Remember when all we heard last year was "why can't we be more like Wisconsin?"
Gross.
Not all that shocking, though, is it? We struggled last year. Wisconsin beat us at our place. We finished in the bottom half of the Big East for the first time, got an 11 seed. Were considered a bubble team to even get in the tournament until we won two Big East tourney games and then got an 11 seed. Meanwhile, Wisconsin does what they have done consistently the since the late 1990's. They just keep on winning.
They have a boring team but if fans were saying they wanted to be more like Wisconsin because they have won so much, is that startling? Its what fans do and they would have reason for saying so last year. Wisconsin has been the top dog in Wisconsin for a number of years and we need to change that. This year we have taken that step but would anyone be surprised to see Wisconsin play in the second weekend of the tournament again?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on March 03, 2012, 09:21:34 PM
would anyone be surprised to see Wisconsin play in the second weekend of the tournament again?
Yes, I would.
looks like diehard Badger Bob saw the rankings on his AOL home page for the first time this year and got defensive and butthurt about it.
hopefully you're getting plenty of mileage out of the Brian Butch poster that hangs over your bed
...that's Bob there in the background
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_NsVkrDZwedk/ReMitIbRB-I/AAAAAAAAAAw/vrL396FVvwg/s320/sad+butchy.jpg)
I actually don't think Chicos should be banned, but isn't this getting a little ridiculous? Why not just un-ban him?
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 01:50:22 PM
They were right. You should want to be more like Wisconsin. The facts are the facts.
(http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/8342/wisconsinmarquettecompa.jpg)
Pretty impressive that we were able to completely bypass the elite 8 round to get that final four appearance.
Quote from: w0bbie on March 04, 2012, 01:55:52 PM
Pretty impressive that we were able to completely bypass the elite 8 round to get that final four appearance.
And I thought that put us in the sweet 16 that year as well, or did he miss last year's?
I think it is just going off of the furthest you have made it. The UW Elite Eight was the year they lost to UNC, who went on to win the National Championship.
It counts finishes... Wisconsin would have 2 Elite 8s by that measure as well (of course, one of those they had to beat an 11 seed, a 14, and a 10... rough).
Quote from: PVMagic on March 04, 2012, 04:09:55 PM
It counts finishes... Wisconsin would have 2 Elite 8s by that measure as well (of course, one of those they had to beat an 11 seed, a 14, and a 10... rough).
Funny how BADger fans have spun "underperformance into We are better than you".
First of all, the Seth Davis column was fantastic.
Let's try this again. Surprised no one else has done this yet ...
NC2A berths since 1955 - MU 29, UW-Madison 15
NC2A wins since 1955 - MU 36, UW-Madison 19
Sweet 16s since 1955 - MU 14, UW-Madison 5
Elite 8's since 1955 - MU 6, UW-Madison 2
Final 4's since 1974 - MU 3, UW-Madison 1
Championshp games since 1974 - MU 2, UW-Madison 0
Championships since 1977 - MU 1, UW-Madison 0
Primary goal of a legitimate national operation is to do damage in March.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 02:19:12 PM
You guys just have a factual problem that needed to be addressed.
Bob forgot one very key fact:
Percentage of basketball fans bored to death by UW's offense: 99.9999
And Eye just beat me to the punch line here: If we expand out our sample size back to, oh, the mid-50s, MU wins. Easily.
It's obvious that math and facts aren't Bob's strong suits. Bo, any reaction to that?
(http://www.elevenwarriors.com/sites/default/files/images/11w/2011/02/bo-ryan-wuh-wuh.jpeg)
You would think Badger Bob would know that basketball existed before the year 2000.....his badgers style of play is remiscent of the 1950s.
Serioulsy, they have had great success under Bo Ryan but I would think if you ask any objective fan of NCAA basketball which program is more likely to return to the final 4 in the next decade....it would undoubtedly be MU.
Their fan base is delightfully delusional...I will give them that...I was at the KU/Texas game last night at the Phogg and a couple wayward UW fans were in attendance sitting behind me (this is a true story)....one guy leans over and said something to the effect of "wow....imagine Kansas if they had Bo as their coach."
Quote from: murobrob on March 04, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
Their fan base is delightfully delusional...I will give them that...I was at the KU/Texas game last night at the Phogg and a couple wayward UW fans were in attendance sitting behind me (this is a true story)....one guy leans over and said something to the effect of "wow....imagine Kansas if they had Bo as their coach."
Does the state of Kansas have enough traditionals for Bo to recruit a team?
Quote from: murobrob on March 04, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
You would think Badger Bob would know that basketball existed before the year 2000.....his badgers style of play is remiscent of the 1950s.
Serioulsy, they have had great success under Bo Ryan but I would think if you ask any objective fan of NCAA basketball which program is more likely to return to the final 4 in the next decade....it would undoubtedly be MU.
Their fan base is delightfully delusional...I will give them that...I was at the KU/Texas game last night at the Phogg and a couple wayward UW fans were in attendance sitting behind me (this is a true story)....one guy leans over and said something to the effect of "wow....imagine Kansas if they had Bo as their coach."
bahahahahhahahahahahahah
Quote from: karavotsos on March 03, 2012, 11:38:21 PM
Yes, I would.
It would shock you to see the #12 team in the country play in the second weekend when there are 16 teams left?
They appear to be one of those teams that would not surprise me to go out early or make a mini-run to the Sweet 16. Good enough to beat Ohio State at OSU, lose to North Carolina by 3, beat Indiana, beat UNLV but also dropped two to Iowa.
If anyone happened to catch the end of the UConn vs Syracuse game, and had read this Seth Davis article from last Friday http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/29/scouting.reports/index.html (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/seth_davis/02/29/scouting.reports/index.html), you would have realized how spot-on the assessment was of UConn!
Napier cracked under pressure for the second straight night and Jeremy Lamb couldn't create a shot... he only attempted 9 today!
Whoever this coach/s is/are that Seth interviewed, were some talented scouts.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 03, 2012, 01:58:46 PM
You guys call it traditional, whatever that means. We have quality kids, good basketball players and we win.
UW-Madison: We're not racist, we hate everyone.
Quote from: murobrob on March 04, 2012, 06:11:08 PM
You would think Badger Bob would know that basketball existed before the year 2000.....his badgers style of play is remiscent of the 1950s.
Serioulsy, they have had great success under Bo Ryan but I would think if you ask any objective fan of NCAA basketball which program is more likely to return to the final 4 in the next decade....it would undoubtedly be MU.
Their fan base is delightfully delusional...I will give them that...I was at the KU/Texas game last night at the Phogg and a couple wayward UW fans were in attendance sitting behind me (this is a true story)....one guy leans over and said something to the effect of "wow....imagine Kansas if they had Bo as their coach."
First let me congratulate the Gold Warriors Hilltoppers Avalanche Golden Eagles on getting to the Sweet 16. Thought you were going to gag a bit there today (what the hell was Mayo thinking at the end). I do cheer for your team when you are not playing us.
To no surprise, we are in the Sweet 16 again. Yes, we are fully aware there was basketball before 2000. There was also basketball before 1954 if wish to go there, an era in the 20's, 30's and 40's where we were very good and you weren't. I chose 2000 because it is a new century and it is what kids remember.
You can cut on our style all you want, but it has made us the dominant program in the state the last 12 years. Slow and steady wins the race.
Here is the updated table. Good luck in your next game (I do mean that). I think we can take Syracuse. We beat Vanderbilt today who walloped your team. We are playing well right now.
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6988/uwmu.gif)
Oh yeah, the table indicates the final point you reached before being knocked out.
Quote from: Eye on March 04, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
First of all, the Seth Davis column was fantastic.
Let's try this again. Surprised no one else has done this yet ...
NC2A berths since 1955 - MU 29, UW-Madison 15
NC2A wins since 1955 - MU 36, UW-Madison 19
Sweet 16s since 1955 - MU 14, UW-Madison 5
Elite 8's since 1955 - MU 6, UW-Madison 2
Final 4's since 1974 - MU 3, UW-Madison 1
Championshp games since 1974 - MU 2, UW-Madison 0
Championships since 1977 - MU 1, UW-Madison 0
Primary goal of a legitimate national operation is to do damage in March.
Why didn't you go back to the 20's, 30's, 40's when we were much better than you? ;D You accuse me of selective stats and you do it yourself. Since 2000, dominant program. Bucky. Sweet 16 again for us. Congratulations on getting there yourselves.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
First let me congratulate the Gold Warriors Hilltoppers Avalanche Golden Eagles on getting to the Sweet 16. Thought you were going to gag a bit there today (what the hell was Mayo thinking at the end). I do cheer for your team when you are not playing us.
To no surprise, we are in the Sweet 16 again. Yes, we are fully aware there was basketball before 2000. There was also basketball before 1954 if wish to go there, an era in the 20's, 30's and 40's where we were very good and you weren't. I chose 2000 because it is a new century and it is what kids remember.
You can cut on our style all you want, but it has made us the dominant program in the state the last 12 years. Slow and steady wins the race.
Here is the updated table. Good luck in your next game (I do mean that). I think we can take Syracuse. We beat Vanderbilt today who walloped your team. We are playing well right now.
(http://img805.imageshack.us/img805/6988/uwmu.gif)
Oh yeah, the table indicates the final point you reached before being knocked out.
Yeah that's a better way to determine who's better than, you know, head to head matchups (an away game for Marquette, no less) ::)
Bo is still a grinch lookin' mo-fo BUT yes he can coach
Quote from: wadesworld on March 17, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
Yeah that's a better way to determine who's better than, you know, head to head matchups (an away game for Marquette, no less) ::)
Last year we beat you at the Bradley Center. Does that mean we were better than you last year? It's about post season gentlemen. Getting there and what you do there. Good to see you hanging with us for the first time in a long time.
Quote from: muwarrior97 on March 17, 2012, 09:51:40 PM
Bo is still a grinch lookin' mo-fo BUT yes he can coach
Buzz is still a Curly looking Quasimoto lookin' mo-fo. We'll see if he can coach. The NCAA is typically slow ball kind of stuff. Wisconsin rarely is blown out in the tournament. You guys when you lose typically lose in fantastic gas can fire episodes like last year. That's coaching. Of course you have a layup to the Elite 8 if you do things correctly. We have to play that first place Big East team. Scared.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:46:04 PM
You can cut on our style all you want, but it has made us the dominant program in the state the last 12 years.
I look forward to Syracuse and their style of play giving Bo and his band of thugs a nice bit of comeuppance this week. There's a reason why Bo's peers in the Big Te-eleve-elve don't respect Madison, and at some point it's going to blow up badly for Bucky.
We've seen the photographic proof of what Bo teaches his team and how to play dirty. I think that a physical team that is as dirty as Bucky (i.e. Syracuse) would take those players who are pinning a rebounder's arms rather than boxing out and cause an "accidental" collision between the Bucky players. That would send a sharp, firm message to Bo and his crew about their style of play.
I thought all of this was settled when Vander dumped Madison for MU.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 17, 2012, 09:55:10 PM
I look forward to Syracuse and their style of play giving Bo and his band of thugs a nice bit of comeuppance this week. There's a reason why Bo's peers in the Big Te-eleve-elve don't respect Madison, and at some point it's going to blow up badly for Bucky.
We've seen the photographic proof of what Bo teaches his team and how to play dirty. I think that a physical team that is as dirty as Bucky (i.e. Syracuse) would take those players who are pinning a rebounder's arms rather than boxing out and cause an "accidental" collision between the Bucky players. That would send a sharp, firm message to Bo and his crew about their style of play.
Band of thugs? Peers don't respect Bo Ryan? Some point blow up badly for Bucky? How many years have we heard that from Big Ten and MU fans?
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 17, 2012, 09:57:31 PM
I thought all of this was settled when Vander dumped Madison for MU.
The way he shoots layups and punches MU students for calling him names, you can have him. He's a nice defender but absolutely terrible on offense. He would not fit into Bo's system. Every time I see that guy play he has at least two or three missed no footers and a charge that is right out of the 7th grade CYO stuff. Someone needs to coach that kid up.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Wisconsin rarely is blown out in the tournament.
Because they hold the ball for 34 seconds and fire up shots at the end of the shot clock. You know it's bad when Madison's football team scores almost as much as the basketball team. Milking the shot clock constantly the way Madison does implies that they do not have the talent to consistently beat the top teams.
This is like the Broncos' offense this past year in the NFL: It's not like they had a good team but would rather run the clock via Tebow and the running game. You can win for awhile, sure, but it catches up in the end.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Buzz is still a Curly looking Quasimoto lookin' mo-fo. We'll see if he can coach. The NCAA is typically slow ball kind of stuff. Wisconsin rarely is blown out in the tournament. You guys when you lose typically lose in fantastic gas can fire episodes like last year. That's coaching. Of course you have a layup to the Elite 8 if you do things correctly. We have to play that first place Big East team. Scared.
BobBadger - Do you have a position on the "Wisconsin Walk-under" maneuver?
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:57:43 PM
Band of thugs? Peers don't respect Bo Ryan? Some point blow up badly for Bucky? How many years have we heard that from Big Ten and MU fans?
Why are you here? Seriously? Why? Seems a bit pathetic to me. Not much of a life for little badger there, eh? Go away. This thread was dead and buried and all your obnoxiousness has done, besides showing your childishness, is bring a wasted thread back from the dead.
Man, we banned chicos and let this idiot survive? Seriously?
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:57:43 PM
Band of thugs? Peers don't respect Bo Ryan? Some point blow up badly for Bucky? How many years have we heard that from Big Ten and MU fans?
What's the matter, Bob? Don't like it when Bo's game of thuggery is called out on a national level?
Do we need to pull out the sock puppets to explain this to you?
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 17, 2012, 09:59:55 PM
Because they hold the ball for 34 seconds and fire up shots at the end of the shot clock. You know it's bad when Madison's football team scores almost as much as the basketball team. Milking the shot clock constantly the way Madison does implies that they do not have the talent to consistently beat the top teams.
You just do not comprehend basketball then. CBS said it best today. "Wisconsin epitomizes basketball. They don't win with the 5 best players, they win with the 5 players that play the best together."
We milk the clock to get good shots. Leads to smarter basketball and victory after victory. Please, take a look at that table again. The name of the game is winning and the postseason. The table speaks for itself. Bo's teams speak for themselves. They just win.
Quote from: MUMac on March 17, 2012, 10:01:05 PM
Why are you here? Seriously? Why? Seems a bit pathetic to me. Not much of a life for little badger there, eh? Go away. This thread was dead and buried and all your obnoxiousness has done, besides showing your childishness, is bring a wasted thread back from the dead.
Man, we banned chicos and let this idiot survive? Seriously?
Wishing you luck in the future. I originally came here just to do that but after reading some of the anti-Wisconsin stuff thought an update was in order. We're happy for little brother.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:57:43 PM
Band of thugs? Peers don't respect Bo Ryan? Some point blow up badly for Bucky? How many years have we heard that from Big Ten and MU fans?
So... what you're saying is that there is a consensus among the fans of
all of the institutions that play Wisconsin on a yearly basis. Hummm...
Quote from: AZWarrior on March 17, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
BobBadger - Do you have a position on the "Wisconsin Walk-under" maneuver?
Please explain what this is. Never heard of this term, cannot find it on Google either.
On St. Patty's day, everyone expects a leprechaun. No one expects a troll.
Congrats to us for beating Murray State. Congrats to Wisconsin for beating Vanderbilt. Both have a sweet-16 season again., which one expects from a 3 or 4 seed. It should be celebrated.
My suggestion to all is to use that little ignore button, and not feed the troll.
Find a leprechaun, and give him some lucky charms instead. ;D
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 17, 2012, 10:06:04 PM
So... what you're saying is that there is a consensus among the fans of all of the institutions that play Wisconsin on a yearly basis. Hummm...
If that was written it must be in white type because it isn't there. Year in and year out fans say this is the year Wisconsin hoops will blow up in their face, no athletes, boring basketball. Year in and year out they are wrong. Again.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 10:03:20 PM
You just do not comprehend basketball then. CBS said it best today. "Wisconsin epitomizes basketball. They don't win with the 5 best players, they win with the 5 players that play the best together."
Isn't that like Dukie V going on and on about Coach K and his band of self-entitled players?
And really, if you want to play that card... what about having a starting lineup with 2 Juco transfers? "5 best players?" Bo had a more highly recruited starting 5 than Buzz did.
Again, Bob, perhaps sock puppets would help, as it's painfully obvious that you never graduated from Madison. If you did, perhaps you should ask for your tuition back.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Last year we beat you at the Bradley Center. Does that mean we were better than you last year? It's about post season gentlemen. Getting there and what you do there. Good to see you hanging with us for the first time in a long time.
Long time.......like last year?
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Buzz is still a Curly looking Quasimoto lookin' mo-fo. We'll see if he can coach. The NCAA is typically slow ball kind of stuff. Wisconsin rarely is blown out in the tournament. You guys when you lose typically lose in fantastic gas can fire episodes like last year. That's coaching. Of course you have a layup to the Elite 8 if you do things correctly. We have to play that first place Big East team. Scared.
He can coach, did it today and all year...Love our goofy lookin' goofy talking coach, you can keep Grinch in Madtown
I'm not sure how these message board things completely work, but I'll try and do the same.
NC2A berths since 1955 - MU 30, UW-Madison 16
NC2A wins since 1955 - MU 38, UW-Madison 21
Sweet 16s since 1955 - MU 15, UW-Madison 6
Elite 8's since 1955 - MU 6, UW-Madison 2
Final 4's since 1974 - MU 3, UW-Madison 1
Championshp games since 1974 - MU 2, UW-Madison 0
Championships since 1977 - MU 1, UW-Madison 0
Primary goal of a legitimate national operation is to do damage in March.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 10:05:22 PM
Wishing you luck in the future. I originally came here just to do that but after reading some of the anti-Wisconsin stuff thought an update was in order. We're happy for little brother.
You really are a snarky little ass, aren't you? Just go away. You are one strange person. Frankly I do not care at all if you wish us luck. I don't care if you exist. Go away. You add nothing, absolutely nothing. You came here to be an a$$ and you far exceeded your intentions. Now just leave. I don't care about this thread and I certainly don't care about your thoughts.
As I said earlier, we banned chico's but allow crapsters like this to exist? Really?
Quote from: Eye on March 17, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
I'm not sure how these message board things completely work, but I'll try and do the same.
NC2A berths since 1955 - MU 30, UW-Madison 16
NC2A wins since 1955 - MU 38, UW-Madison 21
Sweet 16s since 1955 - MU 15, UW-Madison 6
Elite 8's since 1955 - MU 6, UW-Madison 2
Final 4's since 1974 - MU 3, UW-Madison 1
Championshp games since 1974 - MU 2, UW-Madison 0
Championships since 1977 - MU 1, UW-Madison 0
Primary goal of a legitimate national operation is to do damage in March.
BOOM GOES THE BOARD!! Amen brah
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 10:09:00 PM
If that was written it must be in white type because it isn't there. Year in and year out fans say this is the year Wisconsin hoops will blow up in their face, no athletes, boring basketball. Year in and year out they are wrong. Again.
Are they wrong, though? If Bo's system was as "successful" as you would like to make it out to be, wouldn't they be making Final Fours year in and year out?
Instead, we have Bo reacting... unhappily... towards calls:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1010111/flamecoach2.gif)
And Eye is spot on, yet again, with his analysis. Bob - perhaps you should consider actually
attending a 4 year college where you can learn critical thinking skills. Or basic statistical analysis skills. Things they in theory teach at Madison, but are hard to understand when in a lecture hall with 500 others. That's ok - we have smaller class sizes at MU!
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Please explain what this is. Never heard of this term, cannot find it on Google either.
I forget the exact play, but Kevin Stalling almost lost his mind on a Wisconsin Walk-under. I have no idea why the officials don't call it. It's completely obvious that when a player jumps up for a jump shot, Wisconsin players consistently put their arms straight up and then walk a step or two under the shooter, knocking him off-balance and undercutting his legs. It appears obvious on the TV angles, but the refs must not see it because its never called.
One of the moves I'm sure that Big 10 coach was talking about in the Seth Davis article - the Wisconsin Walk-under.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 10:06:26 PM
Please explain what this is. Never heard of this term, cannot find it on Google either.
Kevin Stalling almost lost his mind on a Wisconsin Walk-under..........when a player jumps up for a jump shot, Wisconsin players consistently put their arms straight up and then walk a step or two under the shooter, knocking him off-balance and undercutting his legs. It appears obvious on the TV angles, but the refs must not see it because its never called.
One of the moves I'm sure that Big 10 coach was talking about in the Seth Davis article - the Wisconsin Walk-under.
Quote from: LittleMurs on March 17, 2012, 10:22:27 PM
I forget the exact play, but Kevin Stalling almost lost his mind on a Wisconsin Walk-under. I have no idea why the officials don't call it. It's completely obvious that when a player jumps up for a jump shot, Wisconsin players consistently put their arms straight up and then walk a step or two under the shooter, knocking him off-balance and undercutting his legs. It appears obvious on the TV angles, but the refs must not see it because its never called.
One of the moves I'm sure that Big 10 coach was talking about in the Seth Davis article - the Wisconsin Walk-under.
Murs - I couldn't find the danged thread. Looks like you just beat me to it - thanks for the assist.
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:52:35 PM
Last year we beat you at the Bradley Center. Does that mean we were better than you last year? It's about post season gentlemen. Getting there and what you do there. Good to see you hanging with us for the first time in a long time.
Yes, it meant Wisconsin was better last year. Lol. For the first time in a long time? So when Wisconsin lost in the Sweet 16 last year and Marquette lost in the Sweet 16 last year, Marquette didn't keep up with Wisconsin? You aren't very smart, are you little guy?
Quote from: BobBadger on March 17, 2012, 09:54:51 PM
Buzz is still a Curly looking Quasimoto lookin' mo-fo. We'll see if he can coach. The NCAA is typically slow ball kind of stuff. Wisconsin rarely is blown out in the tournament. You guys when you lose typically lose in fantastic gas can fire episodes like last year. That's coaching. Of course you have a layup to the Elite 8 if you do things correctly. We have to play that first place Big East team. Scared.
I know you Wisconsin fans are all into your moral victories, but to me a loss is a loss. 50 point loss? 0-1 for that day. 1 point, triple overtime loss? 0-1 for that day. Anyways, you realize Buzz has been the coach at Marquette for 4 years and has already won
more games against lower seeded teams in the NCAA Tournament as Bo has in his CAREER, right? You talk about how UW-Madison "rarely gets blown out in the tournament," yet since the 2000 NCAA Tournament (since you seem to love that year as the beginning of basketball), they have lost by double-digits 6 times in the NCAA. That's 50%. Hardly seems like "rarely" to me, but hey, if you think so, good for you! In 2 of the other years they have lost to mid-major, higher seeded teams by 7 and 8 points. I hate to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. They get blown out quite a bit in the NCAA Tournament.
2000 NCAA Tournament - L 63-51 Michigan State - 12 points
2002 NCAA Tournament - L 87-57 Maryland - 30 points
2006 NCAA Tournament - L 94-75 Arizona - 19 points
2008 NCAA Tournament - L 73-56 Davidson - 17 points
2009 NCAA Tournament - L 60-49 Xavier - 11 points
2010 NCAA Tournament - L 87-69 Cornell - 18 points
Seems like a lot of blowouts to me. Maybe it's just me.
Average margin of loss in the NCAA Tournament since 2000? 11.4 points. Weird.
Boy Ryan in the NCAA:
2002 NCAA Tournament – 8 seed, beat 9 seed, smoked by 1 seed
2003 NCAA Touranment – 5 seed, beat 12 seed, beat 13 seed, lose to 1 seed
2004 NCAA Tournament – 6 seed, beat 11 seed, lose to 3 seed
2005 NCAA Tournament – 6 seed, beat 11 seed, beat 14 seed, beat 10 seed, lose to 1 seed
2006 NCAA Tournament – 9 seed, smoked by 8 seed
2007 NCAA Tournament – 2 seed, beat 15 seed, smoked by 7 seed
2008 NCAA Tournament – 3 seed, beat 14 seed, beat 11 seed, smoked by 10 seed
2009 NCAA Tournament – 12 seed, beat 5 seed (CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR 1 UPSET WIN, BO!), smoked by 4 seed
2010 NCAA Tournament – 4 seed, beat 13 seed, smoked by 12 seed
2011 NCAA Tournament – 4 seed, beat 13 seed, beat 5 seed, lost to 8 seed
(So far) 2012 NCAA Tournament - 4 seed, beat 13 seed, beat 5 seed
Overall record – 16-10 (61.5%)
Record against single-digit seeds – 4-8 (33.3%)
Buzz Williams in the NCAA:
2009 NCAA Tournament – 6 seed, beat 11 seed, lost to 3 seed
2010 NCAA Tournament – 6 seed, lost to 11 seed
2011 NCAA Tournament – 11 seed, beat 6 seed, beat 3 seed, smoked by 2 seed
(So far) 2012 NCAA Tournament – 3 seed, beat 14 seed, beat 4 seed
Overall record – 5-3 (62.5%)
Record against single-digit seeds – 3-2 (60.0%)
Looks like the percentages favor Buzz (not sure why we'd compare Bo to Crean since Crean is at Indiana now). I think the comparison should be started in 2008, since that is when Buzz took over. Since then, Wisconsin has 2 Sweet Sixteen appearances to Marquette's 2. Neither have an Elite Eight appearance. Looks like there is no difference in NCAA Tournament success since Buzz has taken over as coach. Marquette has upset 2 teams since then and been upset once, while Wisconsin has upset one team since then and been upset 3 times. Weird.
Quote from: CaptainAwesome on March 17, 2012, 10:21:03 PM
Are they wrong, though? If Bo's system was as "successful" as you would like to make it out to be, wouldn't they be making Final Fours year in and year out?
Instead, we have Bo reacting... unhappily... towards calls:
(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1010111/flamecoach2.gif)
And Eye is spot on, yet again, with his analysis. Bob - perhaps you should consider actually attending a 4 year college where you can learn critical thinking skills. Or basic statistical analysis skills. Things they in theory teach at Madison, but are hard to understand when in a lecture hall with 500 others. That's ok - we have smaller class sizes at MU!
Did you make that video? That is great. How did you do that? LIKE. LIKE. LIKE.
Because of our game I turned UW-Vandy on for the last 5 minutes or so.
A couple things.
When Jenkins missed the 3 pointer that would have given Vandy the lead with less than 10 seconds to go Ezeli had position for the putback but was held down and subtly pushed with a forearm to the back by one Wisconsin big leaving Evans alone for the rebound. A foul easily seen on replay but not so obvious live and one they got away with. Given Ezeli's poor foul shooting (he missed the front end of a 1 and 1 that would have tied it on the previous possession) I doubt he'd have made them both, though. That's the kind of stuff that irritates losing coaches, but hard to blame UW for getting away with it.
But give them credit. Jordan Taylor stepped up with a gigantic 3 to take back the lead with 1:45 to go when it looked like Wisconsin was falling apart following a 13-3 Vandy run, and they got a couple of clutch offensive rebounds, particularly the one Gasser chased down, simply by outhustling Vandy. I tip my hat to UW for being the tougher team yesterday and knocking out a very good team.
Still, I hope Syracuse buries them.
Wow, one flammer UW poster and I am almost ready to change my opinion on whether Tom Crean or Bo Ryan is more evil.
Quote from: warrior07 on March 18, 2012, 11:18:46 AM
Wow, one flammer UW poster and I am almost ready to change my opinion on whether Tom Crean or Bo Ryan is more evil.
Is it even a question. Crean gave us a Final Four and Buzz Williams. Bo Ryan is a douche and coaches our in-state rival. How is it even a contest? What is a flammer?
Quote from: Hoopaloop on March 18, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
Is it even a question. Crean gave us a Final Four and Buzz Williams. Bo Ryan is a douche and coaches our in-state rival. How is it even a contest? What is a flammer?
I agree. Bo is a whining kitten. Crean is still the bigger douche, but it's a lot more fun to watch Bo lose and bad calls go against Bo.
Quote from: Hoopaloop on March 18, 2012, 12:21:38 PM
Is it even a question. Crean gave us a Final Four and Buzz Williams. Bo Ryan is a douche and coaches our in-state rival. How is it even a contest? What is a flammer?
A flamer is one who flames on the internet. Flaming is intentionally saying stuff to rile other people up. Similar to trolling, but with more personal insults.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 18, 2012, 01:16:37 PM
A flamer is one who flames on the internet. Flaming is intentionally saying stuff to rile other people up. Similar to trolling, but with more personal insults.
Understand but what is a flammer? ?-(
Quote from: Hoopaloop on March 18, 2012, 02:05:57 PM
Understand but what is a flammer? ?-(
http://www.youtube.com/v/_CmK8ZQvGPo
Quote from: MUMac on March 17, 2012, 10:18:27 PM
As I said earlier, we banned chico's but allow crapsters like this to exist? Really?
No kidding. The guy adds nothing, and comes here to troll. Come on mods.