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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Tugg Speedman on February 08, 2012, 06:34:30 PM
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Is this legitimately the best regular season game of the year or a creation of ESPN?
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I don't even think it's the best game on tonight.
Kansas @ Baylor
Georgetown @ Syracuse
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Last time I checked neither of those games have been the feature of a HBO documentary.
So let me restate ... Is Duke/UNC legitimately the biggest rivalry in college basketball or a creation of ESPN?
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It's a good rivalry game, but ESPN has hyped it up a lot.
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Last time I checked neither of those games have been the feature of a HBO documentary.
So let me restate ... Is Duke/UNC legitimately the biggest rivalry in college basketball or a creation of ESPN?
You didn't ask if it was the best rivalry or if it was the feature of a HBO documentary. You asked if it was legitimately the best regular season game of the year.
So let me restate...not even the best game tonight.
As for best rivalry, who knows. Outside of Duke/UNC, college basketball rivalries don't seem to get the same attention nationally as college football rivalries. Even the rivalries that are so hyped by espn during football season don't seem to get much attention during hoops season.
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5858-5857.....combined score of last 75 Duke vs.UNC games...Best Rivalry by far...
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5858-5857.....combined score of last 75 Duke vs.UNC games...Best Rivalry by far...
Why does this stat make it a great rivalry?
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Campuses are as close as you can get to each other....So its a rivalry if one teams blows out a team everytime they play? 75 games....1 point off...How the heck does that not make a great rivalry?
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Last time I checked neither of those games have been the feature of a HBO documentary.
So let me restate ... Is Duke/UNC legitimately the biggest rivalry in college basketball or a creation of ESPN?
Many things have been the feature of an HBO documentary which are nothing close to great . while the rivalry is probably the best, the game tonight is not the best of thr regular season
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In North Carolina it is a great rivalry. In Wisconsin, probably not. No one here really cares about Marquette vs Wisconsin.
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Many things have been the feature of an HBO documentary which are nothing close to great . while the rivalry is probably the best, the game tonight is not the best of thr regular season
This is well stated. I'm going to be watching Top Chef anyway.
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Duke/UNC is a great rivalry, but I wouldn't call it the greatest.
Kansas/Missouri
Purdue/Indiana
Georgetown/Syracuse
Michigan State/Indiana
I'm sure there are others...Duke/UNC is just big because Dukey V loves it.
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Campuses are as close as you can get to each other....So its a rivalry if one teams blows out a team everytime they play? 75 games....1 point off...How the heck does that not make a great rivalry?
I didn't say it wasn't a "great rivalry." But you said earlier you said "Best Rivalry by far." Just because it is one point off in its history doesn't indicate that.
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Campuses are as close as you can get to each other....
Harvard and MIT are in the same conference and are so close to each other that they share a common border. Does that make this a great rivalry?
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Harvard and MIT aren't in the same conference.
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Many things have been the feature of an HBO documentary which are nothing close to great . while the rivalry is probably the best, the game tonight is not the best of thr regular season
Agree with this. Can't call any rivalry bigger, but there have been bigger games this season, and much bigger games in the rivalry the past few years.
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Holy cow, what a shot at the buzzer by Rivers. Great game to watch for college b-ball.
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Game definitely lived up to the hype tonight. Dickie V was nearly speechless when that shot went through the hoop and that is saying something.
This just in---Austin Rivers is good.
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What made that shot even better was that he had 6 ft 11in Zeller right in his face.
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That game was awesome.
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I don't even think it's the best game on tonight.
Kansas @ Baylor
Georgetown @ Syracuse
...or not.
And about the Austin Rivers thread, he may not just make Marquette a 2 seed if we had him (not saying he even considered us, just going with the thread), he may have made Marquette a National Champion.
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Gene Wojochowski just started writing another greatest game book.
Duke/UNC is the best college basketball matchup, but nowhere the best sports rivalry.
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Gene Wojochowski just started writing another greatest game book.
Duke/UNC is the best college basketball matchup, but nowhere the best sports rivalry.
I agree with this. Might be the best overall college rivalry. Michigan/OSU football is right up there. OU/Texas is also good. I'd say Louisville/Kentucky is the 2nd best college basketball rivalry, and that's not even close to UNC/Duke.
Yankees/Red Sox is obviously the best in baseball. Celtics/Lakers is obviously the best in the NBA. Not sure about the NFL. It could be Bears/Packers or 'Boys/'Skins.
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I agree with this. Might be the best overall college rivalry. Michigan/OSU football is right up there. OU/Texas is also good. I'd say Louisville/Kentucky is the 2nd best college basketball rivalry, and that's not even close to UNC/Duke.
Yankees/Red Sox is obviously the best in baseball. Celtics/Lakers is obviously the best in the NBA. Not sure about the NFL. It could be Bears/Packers or 'Boys/'Skins.
In my opinion, in order:
College - Michigan/OSU, then down a couple notches to UT/OU and Duke/UNC
Baseball - Yanks/Sawx, Cubs/Cards and maybe Mets/Phils
Basketball - Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Cavs or Bulls/Detriot, Pacers/Knicks.
Football - Pack/Bears, Cowboys/Redskins, Steelers/Browns
Hockey - Blackhawks/Red Wings, Bruins/Habs, Leafs/Sens
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In my opinion, in order:
College - Michigan/OSU, then down a couple notches to UT/OU and Duke/UNC
Baseball - Yanks/Sawx, Cubs/Cards and maybe Mets/Phils
Basketball - Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Cavs or Bulls/Detriot, Pacers/Knicks.
Football - Pack/Bears, Cowboys/Redskins, Steelers/Browns
Hockey - Blackhawks/Red Wings, Bruins/Habs, Leafs/Sens
I wonder why there are so many Chicago teams in your list...
In all honesty, I think Yanks/Sox stands alone in baseball by a very wide margin. At the present moment, the Bulls/Heat probably have a better rivalry going than the Bulls/Cavs or Pistons, but historically probably Bulls/Pistons. Pacers/Knicks was only good for one generation of players (similar to Bulls/Pistons). Agree with football. Don't know or care about hockey, so I'll trust your judgment.
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College Bball- Duke vs. UNC.......................................UK vs. Louisville...Gtown vs Cuse
College Football- Michigan vs tOSU.....Bama vs Auburn........UT vs. OU---Whitewater vs Union ;D
Hockey--Wings vs Hawks
Baseball- Red Sox vs. Yanks
NBA-Celtics Lakers Bulls/Heat
NFL-Packers/Bears Patriots/Jets(on the rise) Pitt/Baltimore
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I don't even think it's the best game on tonight.
Kansas @ Baylor
Georgetown @ Syracuse
Wrong
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January 1981, Freshman Doc beats bitter rival ND on the last shot of the game.
February 2012, Freshman Austin beats bitter rival UNC on the last shot of the game.
What we saw is not new.
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January 1981, Freshman Doc beats bitter rival ND on the last shot of the game.
February 2012, Freshman Austin beats bitter rival UNC on the last shot of the game.
What we saw is not new.
I was hoping Doc was going to mention that when they interviewed him.
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espn over hypes everything. they need to start reporting news and not rumors.
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I was hoping Doc was going to mention that when they interviewed him.
I also believe that both ND in 1981 and UNC now were both rated #5.
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Nothing and I mean nothing compared to the New York Giants and Brooklyn Dodger rivalry and that is comming from a life long Yankee fan. Only those of us who grew up then can understand that. Like many soon to be Big East rivalries...Gone with the Wind.
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What made that shot even better was that he had 6 ft 11in Zeller right in his face.
With his arms at his side.
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You're forgetting Yale vs. Harvard in anything.
Army vs. Navy
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With his arms at his side.
Yeah that baffled me. The only way UNC loses in regulation is on a three...Zeller should have been on top of Rivers. If he goes around you and hits a tough running two, so be it. You head to overtime. Instead you let him take a couple rhythm dribbles and have a wide open look at the basket. Really bad play by Zeller...and he also missed a free throw to leave it a two point game.
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....and tipped in a 3 for Duke. Lots of points, but a forgettable game for him.
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UNC choked away a 10 pt lead in 2 min flat, at home, to their biggest rival.
I am sure the Scoop servers would have burst into flames had we done the same at home to UW.
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Holy cow, what a shot at the buzzer by Rivers. Great game to watch for college b-ball.
Looks to me like Austin is having a lot of fun at Duke and probably doesn't give one thought about goin' elsewhere, 'cept to the Association.
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UNC choked away a 10 pt lead in 2 min flat, at home, to their biggest rival.
I am sure the Scoop servers would have burst into flames had we done the same at home to UW.
Give coach K this year's Carolina's players and ol' Roy Duke's guys and the Tar Heels win easily - not just last night but just about every night.
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Give coach K this year's Carolina's players and ol' Roy Duke's guys and the Tar Heels win easily - not just last night but just about every night.
+1
Roy's coaching acumen seems to be exhausted on signing day. Get the best players and push the pace. That's about the extent of it.
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UNC choked away a 10 pt lead in 2 min flat, at home, to their biggest rival.
I am sure the Scoop servers would have burst into flames had we done the same at home to UW.
Some scoopers would do it if MU choked away a lead at home to the Lakers. Sometimes good teams make runs late, particularly at home. Duke doing it at Chapel Hill just adds an impressive degree of difficulty. Losing big lead sucks. Losing big centers sucks worse.
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To me the best rivalries are long lasting and aren;t dependent on the individuals participating in any one year:
1. College hoops - Duke/UNC hands down
2. College football - Army/Navy, followed closely by Michigan/Ohio State and Alabama/Auburn
3. MLB - Red Sox/Yankees, Cubs/Cards a distant 2nd (This would be a better rivalry if the Cubs were competitive more consistently)
4. NFL - Packers/Bears, all the rest of the big rivalries come and go (Patriots and Jets are big now, but will it remain a big rivalry after Belichick is gone?)
5. NBA - Celtics/Lakers. This is unmistakeably true. It is unique in that they're not in the same conference and they play many other teams much more often than they play each other.
6. NHL - I have no idea, don't watch it.
7. Tennis - Best ever was Borg/McEnroe, though Nadal/Federer was really good
8. Olympics - US/USSR - (West vs Eastern Europe) The Olympics will never again be as awesome as they were before the Berlin Wall came down
9. Boxing - Ali/Frazier
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To me the best rivalries are long lasting and aren;t dependent on the individuals participating in any one year:
1. College hoops - Duke/UNC hands down
2. College football - Army/Navy, followed closely by Michigan/Ohio State and Alabama/Auburn
3. MLB - Red Sox/Yankees, Cubs/Cards a distant 2nd (This would be a better rivalry if the Cubs were competitive more consistently)
4. NFL - Packers/Bears, all the rest of the big rivalries come and go (Patriots and Jets are big now, but will it remain a big rivalry after Belichick is gone?)
5. NBA - Celtics/Lakers. This is unmistakeably true. It is unique in that they're not in the same conference and they play many other teams much more often than they play each other.
6. NHL - I have no idea, don't watch it.
7. Tennis - Best ever was Borg/McEnroe, though Nadal/Federer was really good
8. Olympics - US/USSR - (West vs Eastern Europe) The Olympics will never again be as awesome as they were before the Berlin Wall came down
9. Boxing - Ali/Frazier
9. Dale Earnhardt fans and proper hygiene.
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In my opinion, in order:
College - Michigan/OSU, then down a couple notches to UT/OU and Duke/UNC
Baseball - Yanks/Sawx, Cubs/Cards and maybe Mets/Phils
Basketball - Celtics/Lakers, Bulls/Cavs or Bulls/Detriot, Pacers/Knicks.
Football - Pack/Bears, Cowboys/Redskins, Steelers/Browns
Hockey - Blackhawks/Red Wings, Bruins/Habs, Leafs/Sens
just wanted to weigh in on a few things here... Celtics/Pistons should probably be on your NBA list above Bulls/Cavs, IMO
as far as NHL... I guess I'm not sure whether you're talking all-time rivalries or present day... but I would say that currently the three best rivalries are Blackhawks/Wings, Capitals/Pens, Rangers/Flyers. however I believe for there to be a rivalry, you must have fan bases that really respect eachother and hate eachother at the same time. Red Wings/Avalanche is far and away the most intense NHL rivalry of the past two decades
to be honest, while Chicagoans think there is an intense existing rivalry between they and the Wings, Detroiters downplay the rivalry (mostly because it will never reach the fever pitch of the Avalanche rivalry) and more importantly, the lack of respect that Detroiters have for bandwagon-addict Chicagoans. It's the same way Cubs fans feel about Brewers fans or the way Michigan fans feel about the MSU rivalry... the flash in the pan success of the Blackhawks is insulting to Detroiters who have embraced the Hockeytown image for years, and for Chicago to just show up out of nowhere and reclaim significance (1 cup wooo!) really does not impress Wings fans... I certainly hope that the rivalry regains its Original 6 history, but the way the City of Chicago abandoned its hockey team really turns off true hockey fans.
I can tell you for sure that Wings fans are looking forward to the pleasant experience of playing the Leafs in the upcoming Winter Classic, because they are diehard hockey fans, understand the game, and more importantly they have respect for the National Anthem. I don't think hockey fans would have the same pleasant experience if the status-craving FIBs wandered into town, pillaging good moods left and right
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just wanted to weigh in on a few things here... Celtics/Pistons should probably be on your NBA list above Bulls/Cavs, IMO
as far as NHL... I guess I'm not sure whether you're talking all-time rivalries or present day... but I would say that currently the three best rivalries are Blackhawks/Wings, Capitals/Pens, Rangers/Flyers. however I believe for there to be a rivalry, you must have fan bases that really respect eachother and hate eachother at the same time. Red Wings/Avalanche is far and away the most intense NHL rivalry of the past two decades
to be honest, while Chicagoans think there is an intense existing rivalry between they and the Wings, Detroiters downplay the rivalry (mostly because it will never reach the fever pitch of the Avalanche rivalry) and more importantly, the lack of respect that Detroiters have for bandwagon-addict Chicagoans. It's the same way Cubs fans feel about Brewers fans or the way Michigan fans feel about the MSU rivalry... the flash in the pan success of the Blackhawks is insulting to Detroiters who have embraced the Hockeytown image for years, and for Chicago to just show up out of nowhere and reclaim significance (1 cup wooo!) really does not impress Wings fans... I certainly hope that the rivalry regains its Original 6 history, but the way the City of Chicago abandoned its hockey team really turns off true hockey fans.
I can tell you for sure that Wings fans are looking forward to the pleasant experience of playing the Leafs in the upcoming Winter Classic, because they are diehard hockey fans, understand the game, and more importantly they have respect for the National Anthem. I don't think hockey fans would have the same pleasant experience if the status-craving FIBs wandered into town, pillaging good moods left and right
Typical Detroit. Like everything else, no one cares.
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8. Olympics - US/USSR - (West vs Eastern Europe) The Olympics will never again be as awesome as they were before the Berlin Wall came down
Might be the only compelling argument ever for keeping the Berlin Wall up.
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Might be the only compelling argument ever for keeping the Berlin Wall up.
"Mr. Gorbachov, keep that wall up! At least til we kick your a$$ in the next Olympics!"
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I don't even think it's the best game on tonight.
Kansas @ Baylor
Georgetown @ Syracuse
Sure thing. Not even close on a national level.
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as far as NHL... I guess I'm not sure whether you're talking all-time rivalries or present day... but I would say that currently the three best rivalries are Blackhawks/Wings, Capitals/Pens, Rangers/Flyers. however I believe for there to be a rivalry, you must have fan bases that really respect eachother and hate eachother at the same time. Red Wings/Avalanche is far and away the most intense NHL rivalry of the past two decades
Though the history of the Original 6 matchup between the hawks and wings is historic...i would have to agree that it is not what it use to be. When the wings made their cup runs, it was the Avs they found themselves pinned against big game after big game.
Just like the past 3 years for the hawks, i would count the Cannucks as bigger rivalries as they have played each other in the playoffs and have built the type of hatred that creates a rivalry.
The national anthem was a tradition started in '85 against the oilers, but it was more of the '91 ASG that made it famous with the crowd cheering during the national anthem, many showing support for the troops who had entered in the Iraq war just a few days earlier. Please tell me you also hate the Flyers because they don't even sing the national anthem....
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UNC-Duke is so the best college hoops rivalry might as well not even name a second.
Bears-Packers is a great rivalry, but to say Cowboys-Redskins hasn't stood the test of time is just silly.
Cubs-Cardinals is well behind Yankees-Red Sox, and maybe not as good as Dodgers-Giants. But Cubs-Cards is good even when the Cubs suck. Cubs-White Sox also is fun.
Bulls-Cavs or Bulls-Pistons? Really? It's not the 1980s anymore. Today's NBA doesn't have a truly great rivalry, though Lakers-Clippers certainly has become one to watch and there is hope for Bulls-Heat.
College football obviously is Marquette club vs. Pillsbury Bible. Duh!
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I certainly hope that the rivalry regains its Original 6 history, but the way the City of Chicago abandoned its hockey team really turns off true hockey fans.
I can tell you for sure that Wings fans are looking forward to the pleasant experience of playing the Leafs in the upcoming Winter Classic, because they are diehard hockey fans, understand the game, and more importantly they have respect for the National Anthem. I don't think hockey fans would have the same pleasant experience if the status-craving FIBs wandered into town, pillaging good moods left and right
1) Chicago didn't abandon its team, the owner alienated an entire city/fanbase with his actions. Its no wonder that a revival in interest in the team occurred after he died.
2) My god, how can you even see the puck from your high horse? Your "Hockeytown" came about in the mid 90s from an ad campaign. Thats not some age old title. And the Winter Classic at Wrigley as sooo miserable cause of all the Chicago fans. Enjoy the fact that you have a fantastically run franchise and now your historical rival does as well. Don't resort to taking shots to try to prove your superiority. And you would complain about Hawks fans cheering through the anthem which is incredibly cool, goosebump-inducing, and liked by most people who aren't Wings fans.
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UNC-Duke is so the best college hoops rivalry might as well not even name a second.
College football obviously is Marquette club vs. Pillsbury Bible. Duh!
Where can we get some historical data on Marquette Club Football? I'd like to put together a composite score for the last 75 games against our biggest rival.
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Where can we get some historical data on Marquette Club Football? I'd like to put together a composite score for the last 75 games against our biggest rival.
Funny. I was a sophmore when club football came to Marquette. The inagural game was at Marquette High (where we also played intramural football). Beautiful night, big crowd. I think it was U of Detroit (now Detroit Mercy) who beat us like 40-6. I (and just about everyone I knew) never returned to the scene of the crime.
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Funny. I was a sophmore when club football came to Marquette. The inagural game was at Marquette High (where we also played intramural football). Beautiful night, big crowd. I think it was U of Detroit (now Detroit Mercy) who beat us like 40-6. I (and just about everyone I knew) never returned to the scene of the crime.
If I recall, 40-6 would have been considered a "close game" and a "moral victory"
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Where can we get some historical data on Marquette Club Football? I'd like to put together a composite score for the last 75 games against our biggest rival.
http://marquetteclubfootball.shutterfly.com/
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1) Chicago didn't abandon its team, the owner alienated an entire city/fanbase with his actions. Its no wonder that a revival in interest in the team occurred after he died.
2) My god, how can you even see the puck from your high horse?
Still bitter about Cheli? geez. you chicago fans are too easy... then again when you have 11 Cups and the longest current playoff streak of all North American pro sports, you're trolling from a very high branch ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/6seje.jpg)
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just wanted to weigh in on a few things here... Celtics/Pistons should probably be on your NBA list above Bulls/Cavs, IMO
as far as NHL... I guess I'm not sure whether you're talking all-time rivalries or present day... but I would say that currently the three best rivalries are Blackhawks/Wings, Capitals/Pens, Rangers/Flyers. however I believe for there to be a rivalry, you must have fan bases that really respect eachother and hate eachother at the same time. Red Wings/Avalanche is far and away the most intense NHL rivalry of the past two decades
to be honest, while Chicagoans think there is an intense existing rivalry between they and the Wings, Detroiters downplay the rivalry (mostly because it will never reach the fever pitch of the Avalanche rivalry) and more importantly, the lack of respect that Detroiters have for bandwagon-addict Chicagoans. It's the same way Cubs fans feel about Brewers fans or the way Michigan fans feel about the MSU rivalry... the flash in the pan success of the Blackhawks is insulting to Detroiters who have embraced the Hockeytown image for years, and for Chicago to just show up out of nowhere and reclaim significance (1 cup wooo!) really does not impress Wings fans... I certainly hope that the rivalry regains its Original 6 history, but the way the City of Chicago abandoned its hockey team really turns off true hockey fans.
I can tell you for sure that Wings fans are looking forward to the pleasant experience of playing the Leafs in the upcoming Winter Classic, because they are diehard hockey fans, understand the game, and more importantly they have respect for the National Anthem. I don't think hockey fans would have the same pleasant experience if the status-craving FIBs wandered into town, pillaging good moods left and right
Wings fans are all over this Winter Classic matchup. Though the real favor would be putting the Wings in a conference playing teams they're natural rivals with...Wings/Hawks is historically not even on par with Wings/Bruins, Wings/Habs, Wings/Rangers, and way, way behind Wings/Leafs. Wings/Hawks, Michigan/MSU, Cubs/Brewers, UNC/NC State, etc. are all similar in that the latter team views it as a rivalry but the former really doesn't care that much.
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Wings fans are all over this Winter Classic matchup. Though the real favor would be putting the Wings in a conference playing teams they're natural rivals with...Wings/Hawks is historically not even on par with Wings/Bruins, Wings/Habs, Wings/Rangers, and way, way behind Wings/Leafs. Wings/Hawks, Michigan/MSU, Cubs/Brewers, UNC/NC State, etc. are all similar in that the latter team views it as a rivalry but the former really doesn't care that much.
+5
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http://marquetteclubfootball.shutterfly.com/
While we're on the topic of MU football, I think it's worth mentioning Buzz...the first one at MU...
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_football/ray_buivid
Also a good history lesson for Bears fans.