The Gtown loss at Pitt is another example of why the win at Nova is a good one.
Both MU and Gtown played a lesser team on the road, but a lesser team that was hot. MU came through and Gtown didn't, so at least for the day we are in 2nd place in the BEAST and would only be a half game out of 1st place but for a missed goal tend call!
Feel good about these next four games - but it will get tough to stay up there down the stretch starting at UConn. still this could be fun1
Pitt is going to win plenty of games down the stretch now that they have their point guard back. I'm glad MU has them in the rear view mirror.
There are NO bad wins, especially on the road.
Or we could have just held on against Georgetown. Just keep winning...
This team just needs to take care of business and not worry about anything else. These slow starts are tough to watch, but they have confidence and they know they can overcome them. 9 games left until the real fun begins.
Now cincy down 10 @rutgers with 4 minutes left. Everything is coming up milhouse right now.
Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on January 28, 2012, 06:42:25 PM
Now cincy down 10 @rutgers with 4 minutes left. Everything is coming up milhouse right now.
Cincy, WVU, and Gtown go down on the road. Big, big day for MU.
And with seton hall playing Louisville right now thats kinda good no matter the result. Good day.
Chaos rules
This week Depaul wins at Rutgers and Cincy loses at Rutgers.
Any of this make sense?
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on January 28, 2012, 07:29:30 PM
This week Depaul wins at Rutgers and Cincy loses at Rutgers.
Any of this make sense?
Sure, the Big East flat-out stinks this year.
No, the PAC 12 stinks this year. The BEast lacks a second dominant team, but has a lot of teams that can do damage.
Godzilla:
QuoteSure, the Big East flat-out stinks this year.
flat-out stinks??? Hardly
that Louiville - SHU game was tough on the eyes...
thought I had accidentally flipped on Nebraska v Penn St
SHU looked awful and Loserville had 25 T.Os.I wanted them to break there losing streak against Pitino.
Pope's 3 clutch FT misses were the dagger
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 07:46:11 PM
Sure, the Big East flat-out stinks this year.
By stinks do you mean has gone from a 3-year run as the best conference to the third best conference this year? Who besides the Big Ten and Big 12 are better than the Big East this year, and did you know there are 32 Division 1 conferences meaning that by your logic 30 of 32 conferences stink?
While this post does show little knowledge of college basketball, at least it wasn't a completely classless post like your other one today.
parity is not to be confused with weakness
you have St.Johns who is in the bottom 4 of the BEast, yet in its last two games has beaten WVU by 16 and lost @Duke by just 7
you have Rutgers, who can beat Florida and UConn, yet still lose to DePaul
there are a lot of GOOD teams in this conference, just not many GREAT ones. I think that MU is showing that this conference is us and Syracuse, and then everyone else
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on January 28, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
parity is not to be confused with weakness
you have St.Johns who is in the bottom 4 of the BEast, yet in its last two games has beaten WVU by 16 and lost @Duke by just 7
you have Rutgers, who can beat Florida and UConn, yet still lose to DePaul
there are a lot of GOOD teams in this conference, just not many GREAT ones. I think that MU is showing that this conference is us and Syracuse, and then everyone else
There are a couple of teams that have already won more games than last year. Last year DePaul finished with 7 wins for the season. I agree there are not as strong of teams on the top, but there are not any give me games either. As far as MU being above the other teams, it is too early to be saying that. We finished the easy half of our schedule. The tough half is coming
MU has exceded my expectations this season, but there are no gimmes this year. The loss that really hurt was at G'town.
Quote from: HOOP24/7 on January 28, 2012, 09:57:33 PM
MU has exceded my expectations this season, but there are no gimmes this year. The loss that really hurt was at G'town.
that sums it up pretty well. No game seems impossible this year - like the game at Pitt and some others were last year - but certainly no game on the road is easy in the whole conference this year. While no game is a true gimme, i would say the schedule had 4 home games that would have been major let downs to lose - USF, Nova, St. johns, with Rutgers still to go, which is why I was pretty disappointed with the 4 point win in the Bradley Center against Nova, but happy today.
the G'Town loss definitely hurt, but I think that even though we lost, you could take away from the game that we were the superior team, and handed them that game
I know we lost, but I think from an interpretation standpoint, it's easier to look at the gap in ability if you draw up the standings with MU winning that game... they would look like this
Cuse (9-1)
MU (8-1)
ND (5-3)
USF (5-3)
UConn (4-3)
GTown (5-4)
Louisville (5-4)
WVU (5-4)
Cinci (5-4)
I think this is relatively illustrative of the talent gap, and that MU and Cuse are on an island
we see GTown again at home...
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on January 28, 2012, 09:47:01 PM
parity is not to be confused with weakness
you have St.Johns who is in the bottom 4 of the BEast, yet in its last two games has beaten WVU by 16 and lost @Duke by just 7
you have Rutgers, who can beat Florida and UConn, yet still lose to DePaul
there are a lot of GOOD teams in this conference, just not many GREAT ones. I think that MU is showing that this conference is us and Syracuse, and then everyone else
I don't see any BE team getting past the sweet sixteen. And I wouldn't be surprised if none even make it that far.
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
I don't see any BE team getting past the sweet sixteen. And I wouldn't be surprised if none even make it that far.
This is adorable.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on January 28, 2012, 10:08:56 PM
the G'Town loss definitely hurt, but I think that even though we lost, you could take away from the game that we were the superior team, and handed them that game
I know we lost, but I think from an interpretation standpoint, it's easier to look at the gap in ability if you draw up the standings with MU winning that game... they would look like this
Cuse (9-1)
MU (8-1)
ND (5-3)
USF (5-3)
UConn (4-3)
GTown (5-4)
Louisville (5-4)
WVU (5-4)
Cinci (5-4)
I think this is relatively illustrative of the talent gap, and that MU and Cuse are on an island
Yet we won coming back from an 18 pt deficit today. I wished it worked like that but you just can't say that. Buzz will tell you you can't live in the woulds.
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
I don't see any BE team getting past the sweet sixteen. And I wouldn't be surprised if none even make it that far.
So if melo comes back you don't see SU having a chance at a national title?
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 09:39:04 PM
By stinks do you mean has gone from a 3-year run as the best conference to the third best conference this year? Who besides the Big Ten and Big 12 are better than the Big East this year, and did you know there are 32 Division 1 conferences meaning that by your logic 30 of 32 conferences stink?
While this post does show little knowledge of college basketball, at least it wasn't a completely classless post like your other one today.
No, "classless" describes the posters here attacking the victims in the sexual assault cases and making excuses for guys like Blue. This is serious stuff and if people want to stick their heads in the sand and think everything is A OK because the perpetrators play basketball, it's a sad statement on the character of the people here. And it doesn't help matters any when Buzz pretty much enables Blue to be the human turd that he is. To hear him say how he "loves Vander" made me sick to my stomach. I don't know if Buzz has any daughters, but I wonder if he would let any of them near Blue if they were college age? But,what does it matter when the miracle of Vander actually not clanking FT's happened, right? I know I'll get bashed and probably banned, but I also know that there will be some who know what happened and they'll be nodding their heads in agreement.
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
No, "classless" describes the posters here attacking the victims in the sexual assault cases and making excuses for guys like Blue. This is serious stuff and if people want to stick their heads in the sand and think everything is A OK because the perpetrators play basketball, it's a sad statement on the character of the people here. And it doesn't help matters any when Buzz pretty much enables Blue to be the human turd that he is. To hear him say how he "loves Vander" made me sick to my stomach. I don't know if Buzz has any daughters, but I wonder if he would let any of them near Blue if they were college age? But,what does it matter when the miracle of Vander actually not clanking FT's happened, right? I know I'll get bashed and probably banned, but I also know that there will be some who know what happened and they'll be nodding their heads in agreement.
Mods, why hasn't this guy been banned yet? Almost every post is a slam at Vander for an alleged sexual assault that he has never been named, charged or arrested with. I rarely have issues with what a poster has to say, about Vander, Buzz or any of the other players. However, this isn't some type of criticism regarding Vander as a basketball player, it has to due with his character, which I find very difficult for some message board poster to judge. Godzilla posts are slanderous in nature and are truly an embarrassment to this board.
Im starting to wonder the same thing myself.............
Quote from: RJax55 on January 28, 2012, 10:59:18 PM
Mods, why hasn't this guy been banned yet? Almost every post is a slam at Vander for an alleged sexual assault that he has never been named, charged or arrested with. I rarely have issues with what a poster has to say, about Vander, Buzz or any of the other players. However, this isn't some type of criticism regarding Vander as a basketball player, it has to due with his character, which I find very difficult for some message board poster to judge. Godzilla posts are slanderous in nature and are truly an embarrassment to this board.
+1
....and godzilla gets ignored. click
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
No, "classless" describes the posters here attacking the victims in the sexual assault cases and making excuses for guys like Blue. This is serious stuff and if people want to stick their heads in the sand and think everything is A OK because the perpetrators play basketball, it's a sad statement on the character of the people here. And it doesn't help matters any when Buzz pretty much enables Blue to be the human turd that he is. To hear him say how he "loves Vander" made me sick to my stomach. I don't know if Buzz has any daughters, but I wonder if he would let any of them near Blue if they were college age? But,what does it matter when the miracle of Vander actually not clanking FT's happened, right? I know I'll get bashed and probably banned, but I also know that there will be some who know what happened and they'll be nodding their heads in agreement.
Buddy, I'm all for an opinion, but to start throwing around allegations as fact and using them to seriously impute a kid's character is incredibly irresponsible. The court system
was created to protect people from others like you and thankfully so.
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on January 28, 2012, 10:08:56 PM
the G'Town loss definitely hurt, but I think that even though we lost, you could take away from the game that we were the superior team, and handed them that game
I know we lost, but I think from an interpretation standpoint, it's easier to look at the gap in ability if you draw up the standings with MU winning that game... they would look like this
Cuse (9-1)
MU (8-1)
ND (5-3)
USF (5-3)
UConn (4-3)
GTown (5-4)
Louisville (5-4)
WVU (5-4)
Cinci (5-4)
I think this is relatively illustrative of the talent gap, and that MU and Cuse are on an island
come on, we lost the GTWN game. To say we were the superior team is a little silly.
Quote from: 79Warrior on January 29, 2012, 11:10:57 AM
come on, we lost the GTWN game. To say we were the superior team is a little silly.
Why is it silly? Does the superior team always win? No. I thought MU dominated 30 of the 40 minutes. I also thought MU was the better team. Georgetown won, but that does not make them the superior team.
Quote from: bamamarquettefan on January 28, 2012, 09:39:04 PM
By stinks do you mean has gone from a 3-year run as the best conference to the third best conference this year? Who besides the Big Ten and Big 12 are better than the Big East this year, and did you know there are 32 Division 1 conferences meaning that by your logic 30 of 32 conferences stink?
His comment that the Big East flat out stinks was way off. It's a good conference that can be really good with some teams.
You stated that the Big East had a 3 year run of the best conference. What are you using to claim that? So many ways to look at it. Rankings, rating systems, teams in the NCAA tournament, success in the NCAA tournament.
This year, some rating systems have the Big East 4th behind the Big 12, Big Ten and SEC.
Team Rankings, for example, has the Big East 4th. http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranking/conference-power-ranking-by-conf
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:44:37 PM
No, "classless" describes the posters here attacking the victims in the sexual assault cases and making excuses for guys like Blue. This is serious stuff and if people want to stick their heads in the sand and think everything is A OK because the perpetrators play basketball, it's a sad statement on the character of the people here. And it doesn't help matters any when Buzz pretty much enables Blue to be the human turd that he is. To hear him say how he "loves Vander" made me sick to my stomach. I don't know if Buzz has any daughters, but I wonder if he would let any of them near Blue if they were college age? But,what does it matter when the miracle of Vander actually not clanking FT's happened, right? I know I'll get bashed and probably banned, but I also know that there will be some who know what happened and they'll be nodding their heads in agreement.
Just . . . wow. Godzilla = Nancy Grace?
Quote from: MUMac on January 29, 2012, 11:22:17 AM
Why is it silly? Does the superior team always win? No. I thought MU dominated 30 of the 40 minutes. I also thought MU was the better team. Georgetown won, but that does not make them the superior team.
Georgetown will be happy to hear this so it can claim the title it "won" against Villanova in '85.
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
I don't see any BE team getting past the sweet sixteen. And I wouldn't be surprised if none even make it that far.
Why stop there? Maybe no Big East team will even make the tourney at all!
And don't go stating any technicalities like every conference champion automatically getting an invite. That would be such a cop-out.
Quote from: MU82 on January 30, 2012, 01:06:05 PM
Georgetown will be happy to hear this so it can claim the title it "won" against Villanova in '85.
Who said "won"? It was who is the better team. The better team does not always win. You must believe then, the year North Dakota beat MU means they were the better team that year.
Quote from: MUMac on January 30, 2012, 06:45:37 PM
Who said "won"? It was who is the better team. The better team does not always win. You must believe then, the year North Dakota beat MU means they were the better team that year.
Mac,
THANK YOU.
so if we beat GTown at the end of the year and split, does that mean we will be "equal" to them? no. one team is better than the other, and I believe MU is the clearly superior team even though the blew it at the end of a tough road matchup... is LSU also better than us?
the point of me rewriting the standings with the opposite outcome was to illustrate the gap in ability in the BEast. I think that 10 games into the BEast season, we can get a good feel for a team's ability and that your conference standings do not automatically equal how good you are. If this were true, then after MU was (1-2) they were the 12th best team, and now all of a sudden they're the second best team. When, in truth, they were the second best team all along, but their standings did not reflect that.
just because Seton Hall and USF have better conference records at this point in the season than Nova and Pitt, does that mean they are better teams? NO
I can say with confidence that MU is the better team than GTown, and that our home game vs. them is a "should win". If you think GTown is the better team, you are entitled to that opinion, and you must be really elated at how close we kept the game against a superior team on the road
Quote from: kinsella4three??? on January 30, 2012, 08:20:08 PM
the point of me rewriting the standings with the opposite outcome was to illustrate the gap in ability in the BEast. I think that 10 games into the BEast season, we can get a good feel for a team's ability and that your conference standings do not automatically equal how good you are. If this were true, then after MU was (1-2) they were the 12th best team, and now all of a sudden they're the second best team. When, in truth, they were the second best team all along, but their standings did not reflect that.
I can say with confidence that MU is the better team than GTown, and that our home game vs. them is a "should win". If you think GTown is the better team, you are entitled to that opinion, and you must be really elated at how close we kept the game against a superior team on the road
I'm not sold on that yet. If we're being honest, we have wins at home against teams that are 6-3 and 5-4 in the Big East and beyond that we have not beaten anybody above 3-6. Our schedule has been very weak so far. We have yet to play many of our "2nd-tier" (behind Syracuse alone, really) road games in the Big East. After we play teams like Cinci, ND, WV, UConn, and WV on the road then we will know if we are truly the 2nd best team in the Big East or the 8th best team. There's really no way we know either way at this point.
As far as us clearly being the better team that Georgetown, I'm not sure we can say that either. I THINK we are the better team, I really do, but they are 1-0 against us this year. We played better for 30 of the 40 minutes, but unfortunately college basketball games are 40 minutes long, not 30. They won, regardless of by how much or where it was played. They very well could come into the Bradley Center and beat us, and they would clearly be the better team than us then. Just because UConn came into the Bradley Center and smoked us last year did not stop us from going into UConn's building and beat them later in the season. Every day is a new game.
Quote from: godzilla on January 28, 2012, 10:30:48 PM
I don't see any BE team getting past the sweet sixteen. And I wouldn't be surprised if none even make it that far.
I have to agree. What an embarrassment it turned out to be last year when the NCAA let UConn into the tournament.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 30, 2012, 08:32:08 PM
Just because UConn came into the Bradley Center and smoked us last year did not stop us from going into UConn's building and beat them later in the season. Every day is a new game.
I completely agree with you. And I'm not trying to be an MU slappy, I just want to prevent people from devaluing our accomplishments thus far. I suppose the jury is still out on our squad, but just from watching our games and many other big east games, I think we pass the eye test much better as well, not to mention we are finally winning all the games we SHOULD win...
If you told me before the season started that through 9 games, we'd have:
-Beat Nova twice
-Beat Pitt
-Beat L'Ville
-Didn't screw around vs USF and won by 20
-Be undefeated at home in BEast play
-Been close in 2 road games vs. top 10 teams (blowing a lead in one and clawing back in another)
-Done all of this without Otule
...I would be pretty happy with that.
Also, I personally feel that (A) the BEast is slightly down this year, and ripe for the picking... (B) we are slightly better this year than each of the last 2 seasons... and (C) Buzz has done an excellent coaching job especially on the defensive end