http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Maryland-coach-Gary-Williams-retiring-after-22-seasons-050511
Chances that Faust or Breunig reopen their recruitment?
edit: per Adam Zagoria twitter:
Sterling Gibbs and Nick Faust will both reopen their recruitment now that Gary Williams is retiring. Story coming soon
Wow.
Quote from: foreverwarriors on May 05, 2011, 03:36:09 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Maryland-coach-Gary-Williams-retiring-after-22-seasons-050511
Chances that Faust or Breunig reopen their recruitment?
edit: per Adam Zagoria twitter:
Sterling Gibbs and Nick Faust will both reopen their recruitment now that Gary Williams is retiring. Story coming soon
I've got to believe that the Faust ship sailed with the Mayo signing. I'm not sure that Buzz would take Breunig. I haven't seen any indicators that MU ever offered him a scholarship, even though he didn't commit until this February.
But Faust is very highly ranked.25
I disagree about Mayo eliminating Faust...He is 6 foot 6...Mayo could easily play PG in Buzz' system, we had Buycks do it a bit last year. If we got Faust we would be a legitimate top 20 threat for the next 3-4 years
Chances Faust Follows his buddy from Xavier?
And isn't Nick cool with Juan?
Crean to Maryland. It's Maryland, it's Maryland.
Faust was a big priority until he committed to Md. We then signed Anderson. That train left the station ala Brett Favre lingo.
We do not need another switchable, with about 7 already, we need a big. If he really wants to come then take him, but do not pursue. And if we did take him, we would be left with just the two bigs for the next two years, and will not be developing another.
lol lol Talk about vultures lol
Williams won NCAA in 2002...His career record is 668-380, including 461-252 at Maryland. Under his direction, the Terrapins went to the NCAA tournament 14 times, won or shared three Atlantic Coast Conference titles and reached the Final Four twice.
On the conclusion of this body of work...our only postings are...great lets go get his players.
At funerals, do you shout out, ...forget the darn eulogy, father, just pull out his friggin' will and tell us what we get. lol
Quote from: houwarrior on May 06, 2011, 12:16:17 PMAt funerals, do you shout out, ...forget the darn eulogy, father, just pull out his friggin' will and tell us what we get. lol
Of course not. Why go to the funeral...no need to impress them any more, just show up for the reading ;)
I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent. Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.
Assuming the report below is right, MU was in Faust's final 5 along with MD, FSU, Villanova and Oregon St. I believe he can't sign with FSU as he signed an LOI with another ACC team. So, that leaves us battling Nova and Oregon St for his services (unless there is a late arrival to the dance). Come on Nick, MU is where you belong. Jamil Wilson and T.J. Taylor both came to that realization. Now it is your turn.
Reel him in Buzz. As they say in the NFL draft, "Don't draft for need, take the best player available." The rest will work itself out.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/05/gibbs-faust-to-reopen-recruitment/
Quote from: 94Warrior on May 06, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent. Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.
Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU. Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2011, 01:14:54 PM
Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU. Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU
Joe was already at Tyler JC before signing with MU.
Quote from: 94Warrior on May 06, 2011, 01:07:54 PM
I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent. Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.
Assuming the report below is right, MU was in Faust's final 5 along with MD, FSU, Villanova and Oregon St. I believe he can't sign with FSU as he signed an LOI with another ACC team. So, that leaves us battling Nova and Oregon St for his services (unless there is a late arrival to the dance). Come on Nick, MU is where you belong. Jamil Wilson and T.J. Taylor both came to that realization. Now it is your turn.
Reel him in Buzz. As they say in the NFL draft, "Don't draft for need, take the best player available." The rest will work itself out.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/05/gibbs-faust-to-reopen-recruitment/
Yeah, and you can compete with those guys and three or four others for the same minutes.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 06, 2011, 03:23:54 PMYeah, and you can compete with those guys and three or four others for the same minutes.
Yup ;D
How great is it that we have the talent now to say the #32 RSCI player could come in and not be guaranteed minutes? Not a lot of programs around the country could say that.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 06, 2011, 01:24:00 PM
Joe was already at Tyler JC before signing with MU.
Not according to Tyler Junior College
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/390.php
"He originally signed with Texas A&M but did not qualify academically.
Fulce then spent a post-grad year at a military academy in Virginia before
signing with the University of New Orleans this past spring. However, he obtained his release
after a coaching change [Buzz Williams resignation from UNO] and ended up at TJC."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 08, 2011, 12:55:19 PM
Not according to Tyler Junior College
http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/390.php
"He originally signed with Texas A&M but did not qualify academically.
Fulce then spent a post-grad year at a military academy in Virginia before signing with the University of New Orleans this past spring. However, he obtained his release after a coaching change [Buzz Williams resignation from UNO] and ended up at TJC."
.....which was before he signed with MU. Regardless, who cares? What are you trying to prove?
Coaches pull players from their previous schools (or attempt to) all the time. Buzz did it. KO did it. TC did it. All I'm attempting to prove is that it happens to a number of coaches and has been going on for a long time. They have a relationship with the kid, his family, etc so it only makes sense that stuff happens. Nuke had a different version of events, that's all.
Happy belated Mother's Day
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 06, 2011, 01:14:54 PM
Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU. Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU
Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:
Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU
Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.
BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.
Buzz didn't put up much of a fuss regarding Nick Williams like he did Tyshawn Taylor. My guess is that Buzz wasn't nearly as impressed with him as TC was.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 03:44:01 PM
Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:
Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU
You are incorrect when you state "Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU." The 10/19 date you list is not the date Fulce committed--it was the date that Fulce's commitment was made public. Even Joe claims in public interviews that the commitment happened "about a month" before it was announced.
The question is why Fulce would simply give up on D1 and go JUCO? Because Buzz left? I'm sure he was disappointed--maybe even to the point of looking at other D1 programs. But dropping to JUCO? After working so hard to get a D1 scholarship, it seems strange that any player would willingly give up a year of eligibility and a guaranteed one year scholarship for a chance to pay his own way in hopes that he might be re-recruited out of JUCO.
Of course Fulce going the JUCO route coincidentally happens to be the only scenario by which Buzz and Crean would have been able to recruit Fulce to play for Marquette. Given the bad blood between the UNO administration and Buzz, it seems highly unlikely that MU would have ever received permission to speak with Fulce.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 03:44:01 PM
Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.
Buzz wasn't the final authority, but it was his job to find and recommend recruits. And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted. So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.
So we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).
Maybe both actions are purely coincidental. But it does seem highly unlikely.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 03:44:01 PM
BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.
Not sure why you brought Tyshawn Taylor into question since the original post compared Curry to Fulce.
And of course Curry and Fulce (and Nick Williams for that matter) were all akin. All were situations in which a player wound up following a coach who recruited them when that coach took a new job.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 09, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
You are incorrect when you state "Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU." The 10/19 date you list is not the date Fulce committed--it was the date that Fulce's commitment was made public. Even Joe claims in public interviews that the commitment happened "about a month" before it was announced.
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OK, going along with that. that places his commitment in late September 2007. Fulce was let out of his UNO letter of intent just after Buzz left, in early July 2007. The difference is more than two months.
QuoteThe question is why Fulce would simply give up on D1 and go JUCO? Because Buzz left? I'm sure he was disappointed--maybe even to the point of looking at other D1 programs. But dropping to JUCO? After working so hard to get a D1 scholarship, it seems strange that any player would willingly give up a year of eligibility and a guaranteed one year scholarship for a chance to pay his own way in hopes that he might be re-recruited out of JUCO.
Wrong. JUCO kids don't pay their own way, they get scholarships just like D-I players.
And turning down D-I offers and go the JUCO/Prep school route in hopes of obtaining better offers isn't unheard of. See: Butler, Jimmy.
QuoteBuzz wasn't the final authority, but it was his job to find and recommend recruits. And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted. So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.
Wrong again. Crean did go see Fulce play before offering him a scholarship. Twice in fact.
From Fulce interview with Todd Rosiak after committing:
How long had Marquette been involved with you, and how big a hand did Buzz Williams play in the situation?
Actually me and Coach Williams, right after he had left New Orleans, we had kept in contact a little bit. We had talked a few times by the time I came here (to Tyler). After that he said he was at Marquette, and we had kept in touch. It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever. Position-wise, I don't know what they were looking for, but Coach Crean said he wanted to take a look at me. I guess (Williams) had mentioned his name to him or whatever so (Crean) was like, 'OK, I'm going to go take a look at him. So they came down here. We had a late practice, probably 7 or 8 o'clock on a Sunday night, he came down here and said he liked everything he saw in that period of time. He sat down and talked with me and asked how I would feel with him recruiting me and everything, and I said that'd be fine. I was excited.
Then next thing you know I get a phone call another 2-3 days later saying they're coming back the next week. So they came back that next week during a weekday. We kept in contact before he came, and he was telling me, 'This is where I see you in our program, this is where I see you contributing,' and it just kind of went from there. Buzz talked to me a little bit more about it, and then I decided that was what I really wanted to do. So I went ahead and made that commitment.http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31850264.html
Since I suspect you'll try to squirm out of this by saying "I meant he never saw him play a real game," please note there there's a thing called video out there.
QuoteSo we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).
Wrong yet again. As you can see from Joe's remarks above, MU never got seriously involved with him until after he was at Tyler. He said of the times he spoke with Buzz prior to that "It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever."
So, either Joe is a liar or you're wrong.
Of course, nobody is suggesting Buzz didn't play a big role in Joe's recruitment to Marquette. What would be wrong, though, is to suggest, as Chico's did, that he "scavenged" him from UNO. Joe was long gone from UNO before MU began seriously recruiting him.
QuoteNot sure why you brought Tyshawn Taylor into question since the original post compared Curry to Fulce.
Here's a tip: Read the whole thread before you comment. It will prevent you from making statements like this.
QuoteAnd of course Curry and Fulce (and Nick Williams for that matter) were all akin. All were situations in which a player wound up following a coach who recruited them when that coach took a new job.
And of course they're not akin. Curry and Fulce were different.
Unless you're suggesting:
- Kevin O'Neill quit the head coaching job at Arizona to become an assistant at Marquette
- And then got Marquette's head coach to get a commitment from Ronald Curry nearly three months later
- A kid who hadn't yet suited up for Arizona under head coach Kevin O'Neill
- But then spent a season at a Texas JUCO
Of course, none of that's true, is it? Because the situations are not the same.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 03:44:01 PM
Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:
Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU
Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.
BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.
Ron Curry, for anyone that got to know Ron which plenty of us did, wanted to be closer to home. He was from Illinois and this was a good opportunity to come to MU and be close to home. Let's not understate that his ticket was KO who made it happen as his recruiting coach at UA. Chris Mills was not going to play 40 minutes and Curry would have had time to play. As much as he got at MU? Of course not.
Look, this stuff happens all the time. I don't know why you guys are so damn defensive about it. Players bond with their coaches and sometimes follow them to other destinations. No big deal. It isn't a crime.
PS Fulce verballed to Crean and Buzz in September 2007 per Fulce in an article by Rosiak.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
Since I suspect you'll try to squirm out of this by saying "I meant he never saw him play a real game," please note there
there's a thing called video out there.
I already it was strange for Crean to offer "a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition." If you disagree, that's fine. But its dishonest for you to pretend that I never made the argument in the first place.
I think it would be strange for any high-major D1 coach to rely on video (and not seeing him in competition) to recruit a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
Wrong yet again. As you can see from Joe's remarks above, MU never got seriously involved with him until after he was at Tyler. He said of the times he spoke with Buzz prior to that "It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever."
So, either Joe is a liar or you're wrong.
Of course they didn't talk directly about Marquette--Buzz knew that would be a recruiting violation since he didn't have permission to speak with Joe.
But he could have said something like this:
"Joe, I think your best option right now is to go to JUCO. If you attend JUCO, you can reopen your recruiting and go play anywhere for any coach you want next year--anywhere. And you won't need any permission from UNO to speak with the coach you really want to play for."Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
What would be wrong, though, is to suggest, as Chico's did, that he "scavenged" him from UNO.
I see you conveniently omitted the "rekindling a past relationship" in order to focus on "scavenged."
What? "Rekindling a past relationship" wouldn't paint Chicos in a negative enough light?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
Joe was long gone from UNO before MU began seriously recruiting him.
MU hired the guy who had been seriously recruiting Joe for two years.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 09, 2011, 09:59:08 PM
And of course they're not akin. Curry and Fulce were different.
Unless you're suggesting:
. . .
Not sure why you bothered to cite all the differences. I said they were akin in they all followed the coach that initially recruited them out of HS. As far as I can tell, you don't disagree with that.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 10, 2011, 11:15:54 AM
I already it was strange for Crean to offer "a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition." If you disagree, that's fine. But its dishonest for you to pretend that I never made the argument in the first place.
Your words ...
And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted. So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce. QuoteI think it would be strange for any high-major D1 coach to rely on video (and not seeing him in competition) to recruit a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO.
And you conveniently ignore that Fulce was an all-state player in Texas who initially committed to a solid Big 12 program and played with a major, major AAU program out of Dallas. Chances are, Crean (not to mention Jason Rabadeux) probably had seen him play at some point. I think the combination of seeing him in person at Tyler, seeing him on tape, probably seeing him in AAU ball and the recommendation of an assistant is plenty enough for it not to be strange.
QuoteOf course they didn't talk directly about Marquette--Buzz knew that would be a recruiting violation since he didn't have permission to speak with Joe.
Yet another false statement.
UNO released Fulce from his NLI days after Buzz left and since he wasn't enrolled at UNO, there was no need for a permission to contact letter. He was free to speak with whomever he wished about whatever he wished.
QuoteBut he could have said something like this:
"Joe, I think your best option right now is to go to JUCO. If you attend JUCO, you can reopen your recruiting and go play anywhere for any coach you want next year--anywhere. And you won't need any permission from UNO to speak with the coach you really want to play for."
Another Marquette84 argument that apparently hinges entirely on a conversation that springs entirely from his imagination.
QuoteMU hired the guy who had been seriously recruiting Joe for two years.
Are you suggesting that Crean hired Buzz Williams because of his contacts with a player you describe as "a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO"?
Anyhow, we're well off topic here so I'll stop and give you last word should you need it.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 10, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Your words ... And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted. So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.
My words also included:
So we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).That second part (which was in my original quote) should have cleared up any ambiguity about my meaning.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 10, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
And you conveniently ignore that Fulce was an all-state player in Texas who initially committed to a solid Big 12 program and played with a major, major AAU program out of Dallas.
I didn't ignore it. It's the primary basis for my belief that Fulce should have been able to score another D1 scholarship rather than spend a year in JUCO.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 10, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Anyhow, we're well off topic here so I'll stop and give you last word should you need it.
I don't think we're off topic--we're talking about trying to "rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent" in the aftermath of Gary Williams retirement.
But I think I'll give you the last word. Here's three ideas to focus on:
It might be nice to see you acknowledge that you now understand that my initial comment on seeing Fulce "play" really did mean seeing him play in competition and that accept my clarification as its been offered twice.
Perhaps you could acknowledge that the full quote was "I'm not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent" and that it was 94Warrior--not Chicos--who first posted it.
Oh, and one more--perhaps you could acknowledge that Curry and Fulce are similar in that both players followed the coach that recruited them to new schools.
Per Mark Miller, Breunig has asked to be released from his LOI
@WisBBYearbook: St. John's Military Academy post-grad forward Martin Breunig has asked for release from LOI to Maryland.
http://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/68438074987773953
Quote from: foreverwarriors on May 11, 2011, 05:15:29 PM
Per Mark Miller, Breunig has asked to be released from his LOI
@WisBBYearbook: St. John's Military Academy post-grad forward Martin Breunig has asked for release from LOI to Maryland.
http://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/68438074987773953
Out of the frontcourt players available this spring, Martin is probably the best one out there for MU's needs right now. Can play the 4 and even fill in at the 5 if you really needed and has the range to go outside or take his guy off the dribble. Might have better foot quickness than Erik Williams and has better ballhandling ability. I wouldn't mind if Buzz offered him a scholarship and Martin knows the players and the program.
My guess is that some programs had contacted his coach at St. John's after Gary Williams resigned and put their inquiries in if Martin did get a release and he may already have a list or maybe even a favorite.
Wow - you guys are really a bunch of whiny bitches. Who really gives a crap about this ancient history? Get outside guys, its springtime and enjoy the weather.
Quote from: only a warrior on May 13, 2011, 08:27:01 AM
Wow - you guys are really a bunch of whiny bitches. Who really gives a crap about this ancient history? Get outside guys, its springtime and enjoy the weather.
I am still waiting for spring weather. May 13th and the leaves are just starting to come out. ?-(
Quote from: bilsu on May 13, 2011, 08:33:07 AM
I am still waiting for spring weather. May 13th and the leaves are just starting to come out. ?-(
It's been in the mid-80s the past couple days and already up near 70 today with only a small chance of rain. It doesn't get much better than this in Wisconsin during May :)