Gary Williams Retiring at Maryland

[Pakuni]

I already it was strange for Crean to offer "a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition."  If you disagree, that's fine.  But its dishonest for you to pretend that I never made the argument in the first place.   

Your words ...   And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted.  So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.

I think it would be strange for any high-major D1 coach to rely on video (and not seeing him in competition) to recruit a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO.

And you conveniently ignore that Fulce was an all-state player in Texas who initially committed to a solid Big 12 program and played with a major, major AAU program out of Dallas. Chances are, Crean (not to mention Jason Rabadeux) probably had seen him play at some point. I think the combination of seeing him in person at Tyler, seeing him on tape, probably seeing him in AAU ball and the recommendation of an assistant is plenty enough for it not to be strange.

Of course they didn't talk directly about Marquette--Buzz knew that would be a recruiting violation since he didn't have permission to speak with Joe. 

Yet another false statement.
UNO released Fulce from his NLI days after Buzz left and since he wasn't enrolled at UNO, there was no need for a permission to contact letter. He was free to speak with whomever he wished about whatever he wished.

But he could have said something like this:
"Joe, I think your best option right now is to go to JUCO.  If you attend JUCO, you can reopen your recruiting and go play anywhere for any coach you want next year--anywhere.  And you won't need any permission from UNO to speak with the coach you really want to play for."

Another Marquette84 argument that apparently hinges entirely on a conversation that springs entirely from his imagination.

MU hired the guy who had been seriously recruiting Joe for two years.

Are you suggesting that Crean hired Buzz Williams because of his contacts with a player you describe as "a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO"?

Anyhow, we're well off topic here so I'll stop and give you last word should you need it.

 

[Marquette84]

Your words ...   And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted.  So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.

My words also included: So we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).

That second part (which was in my original quote) should have cleared up any ambiguity about my meaning.

And you conveniently ignore that Fulce was an all-state player in Texas who initially committed to a solid Big 12 program and played with a major, major AAU program out of Dallas.

I didn't ignore it.  It's the primary basis for my belief that Fulce should have been able to score another D1 scholarship rather than spend a year in JUCO.

Anyhow, we're well off topic here so I'll stop and give you last word should you need it.

I don't think we're off topic--we're talking about trying to "rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent" in the aftermath of Gary Williams retirement.

But I think I'll give you the last word.  Here's three ideas to focus on:

It might be nice to see you acknowledge that you now understand that my initial comment on seeing Fulce "play" really did mean seeing him play in competition and that accept my clarification as its been offered twice.  

Perhaps you could acknowledge that the full quote was "I'm not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent"  and that it was 94Warrior--not Chicos--who first posted it.

Oh, and one more--perhaps you could acknowledge that Curry and Fulce are similar in that both players followed the coach that recruited them to new schools.

[foreverwarriors]

Per Mark Miller, Breunig has asked to be released from his LOI

@WisBBYearbook: St. John's Military Academy post-grad forward Martin Breunig has asked for release from LOI to Maryland.

http://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/68438074987773953

[TedBaxter]

Per Mark Miller, Breunig has asked to be released from his LOI

@WisBBYearbook: St. John's Military Academy post-grad forward Martin Breunig has asked for release from LOI to Maryland.

http://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/68438074987773953

Out of the frontcourt players available this spring, Martin is probably the best one out there for MU's needs right now.  Can play the 4 and even fill in at the 5 if you really needed and has the range to go outside or take his guy off the dribble.  Might have better foot quickness than Erik Williams and has better ballhandling ability.  I wouldn't mind if Buzz offered him a scholarship and Martin knows the players and the program.

My guess is that some programs had contacted his coach at St. John's after Gary Williams resigned and put their inquiries in if Martin did get a release and he may already have a list or maybe even a favorite.

[only a warrior]

Wow - you guys are really a bunch of whiny bitches.  Who really gives a crap about this ancient history?  Get outside guys, its springtime and enjoy the weather.

[bilsu]

Wow - you guys are really a bunch of whiny bitches.  Who really gives a crap about this ancient history?  Get outside guys, its springtime and enjoy the weather.

I am still waiting for spring weather. May 13th and the leaves are just starting to come out.

[Skatastrophy]

I am still waiting for spring weather. May 13th and the leaves are just starting to come out.

It's been in the mid-80s the past couple days and already up near 70 today with only a small chance of rain.  It doesn't get much better than this in Wisconsin during May