Gary Williams Retiring at Maryland

[foreverwarriors]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Maryland-coach-Gary-Williams-retiring-after-22-seasons-050511

Chances that Faust or Breunig reopen their recruitment?

edit: per Adam Zagoria twitter:

Sterling Gibbs and Nick Faust will both reopen their recruitment now that Gary Williams is retiring. Story coming soon

[Skatastrophy]

Wow.

[Dawson Rental]

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/Maryland-coach-Gary-Williams-retiring-after-22-seasons-050511

Chances that Faust or Breunig reopen their recruitment?

edit: per Adam Zagoria twitter:

Sterling Gibbs and Nick Faust will both reopen their recruitment now that Gary Williams is retiring. Story coming soon

I've got to believe that the Faust ship sailed with the Mayo signing.  I'm not sure that Buzz would take Breunig.  I haven't seen any indicators that MU ever offered him a scholarship, even though he didn't commit until this February.

[GoMarquette32]

But Faust is very highly ranked.25

[Clam Crowder]

I disagree about Mayo eliminating Faust...He is 6 foot 6...Mayo could easily play PG in Buzz' system, we had Buycks do it a bit last year. If we got Faust we would be a legitimate top 20 threat for the next 3-4 years

[mikem91288]

Chances Faust Follows his buddy from Xavier?

[77ncaachamps]

And isn't Nick cool with Juan?

[hdog1017]

Crean to Maryland.  It's Maryland, it's Maryland. 

[willie warrior]

Faust was a big priority until he committed to Md. We then signed Anderson. That train left the station ala Brett Favre lingo.

We do not need another switchable, with about 7 already, we need a big. If he really wants to come then take him, but do not pursue. And if we did take him, we would be left with just the two bigs for the next two years, and will not be developing another.

[HouWarrior]

lol lol Talk about vultures lol

Williams won NCAA in 2002...His career record is 668-380, including 461-252 at Maryland. Under his direction, the Terrapins went to the NCAA tournament 14 times, won or shared three Atlantic Coast Conference titles and reached the Final Four twice.

On the conclusion of this body of work...our only postings are...great lets go get his players.

At funerals, do you shout out, ...forget the darn eulogy, father, just pull out his friggin' will and tell us what we get.  lol

[brewcity77]

At funerals, do you shout out, ...forget the darn eulogy, father, just pull out his friggin' will and tell us what we get.  lol

Of course not. Why go to the funeral...no need to impress them any more, just show up for the reading

[94Warrior]

I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent.  Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.

Assuming the report below is right, MU was in Faust's final 5 along with MD, FSU, Villanova and Oregon St.  I believe he can't sign with FSU as he signed an LOI with another ACC team.  So, that leaves us battling Nova and Oregon St for his services (unless there is a late arrival to the dance).  Come on Nick, MU is where you belong.  Jamil Wilson and T.J. Taylor both came to that realization.  Now it is your turn.

Reel him in Buzz. As they say in the NFL draft, "Don't draft for need, take the best player available."  The rest will work itself out.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/05/gibbs-faust-to-reopen-recruitment/

[ChicosBailBonds]

I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent.  Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.

Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU.  Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU

[Nukem2]

Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU.  Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU

Joe was already at Tyler JC before signing with MU.

[willie warrior]

I am not above rekindling a past relationship or scavenging for talent.  Kansas and Indiana did it to us when Crean left.

Assuming the report below is right, MU was in Faust's final 5 along with MD, FSU, Villanova and Oregon St.  I believe he can't sign with FSU as he signed an LOI with another ACC team.  So, that leaves us battling Nova and Oregon St for his services (unless there is a late arrival to the dance).  Come on Nick, MU is where you belong.  Jamil Wilson and T.J. Taylor both came to that realization.  Now it is your turn.

Reel him in Buzz. As they say in the NFL draft, "Don't draft for need, take the best player available."  The rest will work itself out.

http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/05/05/gibbs-faust-to-reopen-recruitment/

Yeah, and you can compete with those guys and three or four others for the same minutes.

[brewcity77]

Yeah, and you can compete with those guys and three or four others for the same minutes.

Yup

How great is it that we have the talent now to say the #32 RSCI player could come in and not be guaranteed minutes? Not a lot of programs around the country could say that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Joe was already at Tyler JC before signing with MU.

Not according to Tyler Junior College

http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/390.php

"He originally signed with Texas A&M but did not qualify academically.

Fulce then spent a post-grad year at a military academy in Virginia before signing with the University of New Orleans this past spring. However, he obtained his release after a coaching change [Buzz Williams resignation from UNO] and ended up at TJC."

[Silkk the Shaka]

Not according to Tyler Junior College

http://www.apacheathletics.com/article/390.php

"He originally signed with Texas A&M but did not qualify academically.

Fulce then spent a post-grad year at a military academy in Virginia before signing with the University of New Orleans this past spring. However, he obtained his release after a coaching change [Buzz Williams resignation from UNO] and ended up at TJC."

.....which was before he signed with MU.  Regardless, who cares?  What are you trying to prove?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Coaches pull players from their previous schools (or attempt to) all the time.  Buzz did it.  KO did it.  TC did it.  All I'm attempting to prove is that it happens to a number of coaches and has been going on for a long time.  They have a relationship with the kid, his family, etc so it only makes sense that stuff happens.  Nuke had a different version of events, that's all.

Happy belated Mother's Day

[Pakuni]

Or what Kevin O'Neill did to Arizona (Ron Curry) when he came to MU.  Or what Buzz Williams did to New Orleans (Joe Fulce) when he came to MU

Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:

Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU

Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.

BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.

[GGGG]

Buzz didn't put up much of a fuss regarding Nick Williams like he did Tyshawn Taylor.  My guess is that Buzz wasn't nearly as impressed with him as TC was.

[Marquette84]

Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:

Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU

You are incorrect when you state "Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU."  The 10/19 date you list is not the date Fulce committed--it was the date that Fulce's commitment was made public.  Even Joe claims in public interviews that the commitment happened "about a month" before it was announced.   

The question is why Fulce would simply give up on D1 and go JUCO?  Because Buzz left?  I'm sure he was disappointed--maybe even to the point of looking at other D1 programs.  But dropping to JUCO?   After working so hard to get a D1 scholarship, it seems strange that any player would willingly give up a year of eligibility and a guaranteed one year scholarship for a chance to pay his own way in hopes that he might be re-recruited out of JUCO.   

Of course Fulce going the JUCO route coincidentally happens to be the only scenario by which Buzz and Crean would have been able to recruit Fulce to play for Marquette. Given the bad blood between the UNO administration and Buzz, it seems highly unlikely that MU would have ever received permission to speak with Fulce.

Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.

Buzz wasn't the final authority, but it was his job to find and recommend recruits.  And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted.  So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.

So we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).

Maybe both actions are purely coincidental.  But it does seem highly unlikely.

BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.

Not sure why you brought Tyshawn Taylor into question since the original post compared Curry to Fulce.

And of course Curry and Fulce (and Nick Williams for that matter) were all akin. All were situations in which a player wound up following a coach who recruited them when that coach took a new job. 

[Pakuni]

You are incorrect when you state "Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU."  The 10/19 date you list is not the date Fulce committed--it was the date that Fulce's commitment was made public.  Even Joe claims in public interviews that the commitment happened "about a month" before it was announced.    

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OK, going along with that. that places his commitment in late September 2007. Fulce was let out of his UNO letter of intent just after Buzz left, in early July 2007. The difference is more than two months.

The question is why Fulce would simply give up on D1 and go JUCO?  Because Buzz left?  I'm sure he was disappointed--maybe even to the point of looking at other D1 programs.  But dropping to JUCO?   After working so hard to get a D1 scholarship, it seems strange that any player would willingly give up a year of eligibility and a guaranteed one year scholarship for a chance to pay his own way in hopes that he might be re-recruited out of JUCO.  

Wrong. JUCO kids don't pay their own way, they get scholarships just like D-I players.
And turning down D-I offers and go the JUCO/Prep school route in hopes of obtaining better offers isn't unheard of. See: Butler, Jimmy.

Buzz wasn't the final authority, but it was his job to find and recommend recruits.  And if we accept your 10/19 timeline, Crean never saw Fulce play before making an offer--Tyler's season began a few weeks after that offer was made and accepted.  So Crean took BUzz's word on Fulce.

Wrong again. Crean did go see Fulce play before offering him a scholarship. Twice in fact.
From Fulce interview with Todd Rosiak after committing:

How long had Marquette been involved with you, and how big a hand did Buzz Williams play in the situation?
Actually me and Coach Williams, right after he had left New Orleans, we had kept in contact a little bit. We had talked a few times by the time I came here (to Tyler). After that he said he was at Marquette, and we had kept in touch. It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever. Position-wise, I don't know what they were looking for, but Coach Crean said he wanted to take a look at me. I guess (Williams) had mentioned his name to him or whatever so (Crean) was like, 'OK, I'm going to go take a look at him. So they came down here. We had a late practice, probably 7 or 8 o'clock on a Sunday night, he came down here and said he liked everything he saw in that period of time. He sat down and talked with me and asked how I would feel with him recruiting me and everything, and I said that'd be fine. I was excited.
Then next thing you know I get a phone call another 2-3 days later saying they're coming back the next week. So they came back that next week during a weekday. We kept in contact before he came, and he was telling me, 'This is where I see you in our program, this is where I see you contributing,' and it just kind of went from there. Buzz talked to me a little bit more about it, and then I decided that was what I really wanted to do. So I went ahead and made that commitment.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31850264.html

Since I suspect you'll try to squirm out of this by saying "I meant he never saw him play a real game," please note there there's a thing called video out there.

So we have the curious alignment of very strange actions on the part of both Fulce (by giving up a D1 scholarship to go to a JUCO) and Crean (by offering a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition).

Wrong yet again. As you can see from Joe's remarks above, MU never got seriously involved with him until after he was at Tyler. He said of the times he spoke with Buzz prior to that "It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever."
So, either Joe is a liar or you're wrong.

Of course, nobody is suggesting Buzz didn't play a big role in Joe's recruitment to Marquette. What would be wrong, though, is to suggest, as Chico's did, that he "scavenged" him from UNO. Joe was long gone from UNO before MU began seriously recruiting him.

Not sure why you brought Tyshawn Taylor into question since the original post compared Curry to Fulce.  

Here's a tip: Read the whole thread before you comment. It will prevent you from making statements like this.

And of course Curry and Fulce (and Nick Williams for that matter) were all akin. All were situations in which a player wound up following a coach who recruited them when that coach took a new job.  

And of course they're not akin. Curry and Fulce were different.
Unless you're suggesting:
- Kevin O'Neill quit the head coaching job at Arizona to become an assistant at Marquette
- And then got Marquette's head coach to get a commitment from Ronald Curry nearly three months later
- A kid who hadn't yet suited up for Arizona under head coach Kevin O'Neill
- But then spent a season at a Texas JUCO

Of course, none of that's true, is it? Because the situations are not the same.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fulce didn't verbal to MU until October, 2007, weeks after enrolling at Tyler.
So, the timeline is:

Spring 2007: Commits to UNO
Summer 2007: De-commits from UNO
Late summer 2007: Enrolls at Tyler
Oct. 19, 2007: Commits to MU

Also, Buzz wasn't head coach at that time, so presumably any final decision on making an offer/accepting a commitment had to come from Tom Crean. I don't doubt Buzz began recruiting him as soon as he got to Marquette, but it would be inaccurate to suggest he "scavenged" him from UNO when, in fact, Fulce was gone from UNO months before committing to MU and Buzz lacked the authority to do it.

BTW, Ron Curry was a transfer who wasn't going to get PT at Zona (same class, same position as Chris Mills). O'Neill landing him was not at all akin to what Crean did with Nick Williams or KU did with Tyshawn Taylor.

Ron Curry, for anyone that got to know Ron which plenty of us did, wanted to be closer to home.  He was from Illinois and this was a good opportunity to come to MU and be close to home.  Let's not understate that his ticket was KO who made it happen as his recruiting coach at UA.  Chris Mills was not going to play 40 minutes and Curry would have had time to play.  As much as he got at MU?  Of course not.

Look, this stuff happens all the time.  I don't know why you guys are so damn defensive about it.  Players bond with their coaches and sometimes follow them to other destinations.  No big deal.  It isn't a crime. 

PS  Fulce verballed to Crean and Buzz in September 2007 per Fulce in an article by Rosiak.

[Marquette84]

Since I suspect you'll try to squirm out of this by saying "I meant he never saw him play a real game," please note there
there's a thing called video out there.

I already it was strange for Crean to offer "a previously unseen player before seeing him in competition."  If you disagree, that's fine.  But its dishonest for you to pretend that I never made the argument in the first place. 

I think it would be strange for any high-major D1 coach to rely on video (and not seeing him in competition) to recruit a former low-major recruit that transferred to JUCO.

Wrong yet again. As you can see from Joe's remarks above, MU never got seriously involved with him until after he was at Tyler. He said of the times he spoke with Buzz prior to that "It was nothing talking about Marquette or whatever."
So, either Joe is a liar or you're wrong.

Of course they didn't talk directly about Marquette--Buzz knew that would be a recruiting violation since he didn't have permission to speak with Joe. 

But he could have said something like this:
"Joe, I think your best option right now is to go to JUCO.  If you attend JUCO, you can reopen your recruiting and go play anywhere for any coach you want next year--anywhere.  And you won't need any permission from UNO to speak with the coach you really want to play for."

What would be wrong, though, is to suggest, as Chico's did, that he "scavenged" him from UNO.

I see you conveniently omitted the "rekindling a past relationship" in order to focus on "scavenged."

What?  "Rekindling a past relationship" wouldn't paint Chicos in a negative enough light?

Joe was long gone from UNO before MU began seriously recruiting him.

MU hired the guy who had been seriously recruiting Joe for two years. 

And of course they're not akin. Curry and Fulce were different.
Unless you're suggesting:
. . .

Not sure why you bothered to cite all the differences.  I said they were akin in they all followed the coach that initially recruited them out of HS.  As far as I can tell, you don't disagree with that.