The reason I asked was that I heard from a relative of a player at UWM that Vander is leaving the program, and I was wondering if anyone closer to the program knew anything. I hope that it is not true because of how valuable he is defensively. That's not all I was told either.
Why in God's name would a UWM player's relative know that information...this is even more moronic than your first post....I think you might as well change your name and come back as someone else.
Look. The guy just asked a question. To answer there are no indications that he is leaving.
Quote from: Schultzy66 on May 02, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
That's not all I was told either.
No. Way. That is so awesome.
Quote from: jhags15 on May 02, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
Why in God's name would a UWM player's relative know that information...this is even more moronic than your first post....I think you mine as well change your name and come back as someone else.
He's a new poster who is curious about something he had been told. He's not trying to start a rumor. He's wondering if anyone had any info on a rumor that he heard. Lighten up.
As Sultan stated, at this point all signs point to Vander staying.
When a tread gets locked it's usually not advisable to start another thread on the same topic.
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Quote from: jhags15 on May 02, 2011, 02:00:48 PM
Why in God's name would a UWM player's relative know that information...this is even more moronic than your first post....I think you might as well change your name and come back as someone else.
One of UWM's players is from the Madison area - Middleton - who's father formerly coached there. No knowledge if this is the "source", but I would not necessarily call it moronic.
I will say that my source knew about Vander's fight before anything was made public.
Let's hope Vander's problems are over.
Quote from: Schultzy66 on May 02, 2011, 02:39:40 PM
I will say that my source knew about Vander's fight before anything was made public.
Let's hope Vander's problems are over.
Did you source get knocked in the grill for calling VB, Vander Orange?
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 02, 2011, 02:05:50 PMHe's a new poster who is curious about something he had been told. He's not trying to start a rumor.
Or he's a troll looking to start controversy. The guy joined the forum and within an hour had people discussing whether or not Marquette's highest ranked recruit in nearly 30 years was planning to transfer.
Maybe he's actually a Marquette fan, maybe he has just lurked for years before finally joining and contributing today, but this is the most classic troll behavior you'll ever see, even if he's not really a troll.
Seriously, a UW-M's player's relative told him that Vander was leaving Marquette? And in what world is that a reliable source? Hell, even Dark Helmet would have considered their connection to be "absolutely nothing".
He mentioned a few days ago he will be at Marq for summer school.
http://twitter.com/#!/VeezyV_2/status/63305860960616448 (http://twitter.com/#!/VeezyV_2/status/63305860960616448)
A reliable source recently told me that Bo Ryan was helping to keep Osama bin Laden safe in Pakistan.
Does anyone know if this is true?
Quote from: warrior07 on May 02, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
A reliable source recently told me that Bo Ryan was helping to keep Osama bin Laden safe in Pakistan.
Does anyone know if this is true?
A cousin of a Marquette basketball coach told me it was. Must be.
Quote from: Schultzy66 on May 02, 2011, 02:39:40 PM
I will say that my source knew about Vander's fight before anything was made public.
Let's hope Vander's problems are over.
Assuming this is a legit question ....
VB fight was public knowledge last October. I knew about it before Christmas because it was on the Milwaukee Court System website a few days after the incident. Unless your source knew about it October 24, 2010, (the incident was October 23) it was already public news.
Second, if VB wants to leave, where is he going? After his disappointing Freshman year, who is going to take him? Wisconsin is not. He cannot transfer to a BIG East School (as their rules require a two year sit-out to transfer between BE schools) and I would be surprised if another B10 school would be interested. After that, why would a school hundreds of miles from Wisconsin want him?
So, unless he wants to go to a mid-major, I doubt he is going anywhere.
Lastly, now that it is early May, how many schools actually have a spot open for someone like him? Other transfers announced they were leaving weeks ago.
In sum, nothing about this makes any sense. Now if your source can tell us something we don't know that changes the equation, I'm all ears.
Quote from: warrior07 on May 02, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
A reliable source recently told me that Bo Ryan was helping to keep Osama bin Laden safe in Pakistan.
Does anyone know if this is true?
Not likely...with Bo involved, Osama would have been exposed, and found out every year at tourney time.lol
Here is an interesting true one, though. An Osama bin Laden cousin attended HS with my daughter at CY Springs HS (EWill, and KBradley, are also alums). She was one of a very very extended wealthy family--there were other Bin Ladens in other USA regions, too . In the days after 9/11, she was flown out of the USA. (among the flights referenced on "Farenheit 911").
Moving to the speculative, lol, ....If she (cousin) followed BB, and her Cy Springs HS alums, she may well be a fan of MU.
Second, if VB wants to leave, where is he going? After his disappointing Freshman year, who is going to take him? Wisconsin is not. He cannot transfer to a BIG East School (as their rules require a two year sit-out to transfer between BE schools) and I would be surprised if another B10 school would be interested. After that, why would a school hundreds of miles from Wisconsin want
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Vander has a lot of potential, so I would think there would be several opportunities for him. Who saids Vander wants to leave? The question is whether Buzz will keep him? If the fight was the only thing Vander was involved with, I think he is okay. However, there has been talk of up to three basketball players being involved in something more serious. I have no idea who those players are or where things stand on that. However, I believe if there is any truth to the allocations they will be sent packing by Buzz. So far I am happy that no one is leaving, but I am not sure that in the end that will be the case.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 02, 2011, 02:55:10 PM
Or he's a troll looking to start controversy. The guy joined the forum and within an hour had people discussing whether or not Marquette's highest ranked recruit (#48 RSCI) in nearly 30 years was planning to transfer.
Has it been that long since Dominic James (#36 RSCI)? Time sure flies. :)
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 02, 2011, 03:39:52 PM
Assuming this is a legit question ....
Second, if VB wants to leave, where is he going? After his disappointing Freshman year, who is going to take him?
If you honestly don't believe Blue displayed enough potential that any other school would offer him a scholarship at this point, why would MU renew his scholarship?
Alternatively, if you think that a disappointing freshman year is enough to scare off every decent coach, what does that say about Buzz offering Jamil Wilson?
I think you're vastly underestimating the number of teams that would be interested in Blue.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 02, 2011, 03:39:52 PM
Lastly, now that it is early May, how many schools actually have a spot open for someone like him? Other transfers announced they were leaving weeks ago.
The lack of a spot open didn't stop us from taking Jamil Wilson even later in the year--and Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's.
Just saying, if a coach wants a player badly enough, a spot will be found--and a disappointing freshman year isn't enough to keep a team from taking a chance.
Vander would have the same teams that looked at him the 1st time, other then UW. Most Fr are inconsistent. He lost his confidence on the offense end, but looks to be a good defender, passer, and rebounder from the OG spot all ready. He was a contributor on a NCAA team, that is all you can ask from most FR.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 02, 2011, 03:39:52 PM
Assuming this is a legit question ....
Second, if VB wants to leave, where is he going? After his disappointing Freshman year, who is going to take him? Wisconsin is not. He cannot transfer to a BIG East School (as their rules require a two year sit-out to transfer between BE schools) and I would be surprised if another B10 school would be interested. After that, why would a school hundreds of miles from Wisconsin want him?
Marquette would be likely to block him from attending Wisconsin as well. Just like they did Jeronne Maymon. So he would be mid-major bound.
Vander is going to be starting for us for at least two years and hopefully leading us to the Final Four! It's that simple.
there are SEC, A10, MVC, B12 teams that would luv him.
Vander is staying. The rumor is just that. He made some noise about being unhappy early but he is planning to stay.
Quote from: Schultzy66 on May 02, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
The reason I asked was that I heard from a relative of a player at UWM that Vander is leaving the program, and I was wondering if anyone closer to the program knew anything. I hope that it is not true because of how valuable he is defensively. That's not all I was told either.
Sorry Schultzy--Vander's defensive value has been vastly overrated.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 02, 2011, 04:00:16 PMHas it been that long since Dominic James (#36 RSCI)? Time sure flies. :)
Smartass ;D
Blue was still considered top-25 and a 5-star prospect by some recruiting sites when he came here. I don't recall anyone ranking James that high. He may not have had the same RSCI number, but his peak ratings were higher than James. The last guy who had as much acclaim coming in was Kerry Trotter back in the early 1980s.
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 02, 2011, 04:25:13 PM
Marquette would be likely to block him from attending Wisconsin as well. Just like they did Jeronne Maymon. So he would be mid-major bound.
Vander is going to be starting for us for at least two years and hopefully leading us to the Final Four! It's that simple.
Vander isn't going anywhere.
That being said, the posters who think VB would have no place to go if he were to transfer are complete fools. Maybe he'd end up at a mid-major like Maymon did ::)
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 02, 2011, 07:32:01 PM
Vander isn't going anywhere.
That being said, the posters who think VB would have no place to go if he were to transfer are complete fools. Maybe he'd end up at a mid-major like Maymon did ::)
+1
Who wouldn't take a recruit with such tremendous upside? Complete goofiness in this thread.
With the commitment of this Taylor cat, did anyone change their mind on a player (guard) leaving the program?
Not at all. He'll join us in 2012, according to Rosiak, giving us the following in 2012:
PG: Cadougan (Sr), Taylor (So), D. Wilson (So)
SG: Mayo (So), Jones (Jr), Blue (Jr)
SF: Ferguson (Fr), J. Wilson (Jr), Anderson (So)
PF: Williams (Sr)
C: Otule (Sr), Gardner (Jr)
If Buzz can bring in Stokes or Poythress with that last scholarship for 2012, watch out. However...that schollie may be available now. Taylor's playing at Paris JC next year, so he shouldn't be on scholarship here until 2012. I'm guessing he'd rather use the year of eligibility to play, even at the JUCO level, since the alternative would force him to try to convince the NCAA to give him an extra year of eligibility to play at Marquette (he'd have to sit out a year as a transfer from OU, then have 4 years of eligibility but 3 years to use them).
Wouldn't surprise me if Blue was thinking about a transfer, he struggled a lot this year.
Don't want him to transfer but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility, though we all know transfers are rare at MU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 02, 2011, 09:16:38 PM
Not at all. He'll join us in 2012, according to Rosiak...
Edit: Nm, just read that he's playing at Paris next year and playing at MU in 2012.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 02, 2011, 06:41:58 PM
Smartass ;D
Blue was still considered top-25 and a 5-star prospect by some recruiting sites when he came here. I don't recall anyone ranking James that high. He may not have had the same RSCI number, but his peak ratings were higher than James. The last guy who had as much acclaim coming in was Kerry Trotter back in the early 1980s.
Not sure I agree, but suppose it's possible. Vander's stock was dropping in his senior year, but maybe some of the services that stopped watching him late still had him as top 25. I recall a few that did not and a few that simply didn't even have him in their top 100.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 03, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
Not sure I agree, but suppose it's possible. Vander's stock was dropping in his senior year, but maybe some of the services that stopped watching him late still had him as top 25. I recall a few that did not and a few that simply didn't even have him in their top 100.
http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm (http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm)
RSCIChgAvgDev RH HM DT PS RC SI Total Ht Pos City College
45 2 50 14.9 Luke Cothron 50 48 60 39 45 55 309 6-8 PF Red Springs, NC Auburn
46 -3 50 14.9 Jayv.Pinkston 43 40 51 33 73 62 304 6-6 PF Brooklyn, NY Villanova
47 24 52 20.9 K.T. Harrell 53 51 36 54 30 90 292 6-4 WG Montgomery, AL Virginia
48 5 NA NA Vander Blue 35 34 90 24 31 291 6-3 PG Madison, WI Marquette
49 -9 53 5.0 Travis McKie 49 47 54 50 57 60 289 6-6 WF Richmond, VA Wake Forest
50 -7 54 11.8 Stacey Poole 61 52 67 59 33 51 283 6-5 WF Jacksonville, FL Kentucky
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 02, 2011, 04:00:16 PM
The lack of a spot open didn't stop us from taking Jamil Wilson even later in the year--and Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's.
Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's freshman year?
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jamil-wilson&p1=vander-blue
I don't see it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 02, 2011, 08:56:13 PM
With the commitment of this Taylor cat, did anyone change their mind on a player (guard) leaving the program?
I have no way of knowing about a transfer, but in 2012-13 there will be a big logjam at 2G with Mayo, Ferguson, Blue, and likely this new guy Taylor, along with J. Jones and probably Anderson being tried out there although they are more likely wings.
Looking at it from the 1-3 standpoint, you will have 8 guys vying for 120 minutes of PT--some people will likely be unhappy.
PG Cadougan, DWilson, and Taylor
2G Blue, Mayo, Ferguson and Taylor as a combo along with DWilson as a combo
SF JWilson, Anderson, Blue and possibly Mayo
Nice problem to have, but somebody may be unhappy.
All the more reason Buzzster needs to use last schollie on a big.
Until they actually sign there is no guarantee they will be at MU. Even after they sign we have learned that is not a guarantee they will be in an MU uniform. Besides that it sounds like they are projecting Taylor as a point guard.
Actually, a better way of looking at it is 160 minutes of playing time and throwing EWill in there too. Buzz can play small with Jamil or Juan guarding their 4.
I agree with you willie that they do need size with that last scholarship. I am not sure Bryant is that guy though.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 03, 2011, 07:13:44 AM
Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's freshman year?
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jamil-wilson&p1=vander-blue
I don't see it.
Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg. Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.
Quote from: bilsu on May 03, 2011, 09:09:02 AM
Until they actually sign there is no guarantee they will be at MU. Even after they sign we have learned that is not a guarantee they will be in an MU uniform. Besides that it sounds like they are projecting Taylor as a point guard.
They may be projecting him as a PG, but Rosiak's article says that at the JC they will be trying him at the 1, 2 and 3. Probably not a true PG.
He's not a true PG. But as I said earlier on this board, I am not sure that many true PGs, with the ability to play D1 ball, exist any longer. Most of them are combos...guards who have been scoring most of their lives but have to adapt their game once they get here. UConn just won a national championship without a true point...so did Duke last year...
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 03, 2011, 09:20:57 AM
Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg. Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.
Vander came to MU with *significantly* more hype than Wilson did out west. That has a lot to do with it. Ducks fans weren't ignorantly expecting to see the next D-Wade on their squad. The writing could have been on the wall that he was transferring which would contribute to decreased minutes.
Either way, I fully expect Blue and Wilson to be two of MU's top players this up-coming season and that's really all that matters.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 03, 2011, 09:20:57 AM
Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg. Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.
Think this had anything to do with there possibly being knowledge of his impending transfer/desire to transfer?
Quote from: Ners on May 03, 2011, 09:44:14 AM
Think this had anything to do with there possibly being knowledge of his impending transfer/desire to transfer?
None whatsoever.
First, Kent was struggling to hang on to his job. If he thought Wilson could help Oregon win, Wilson would have been in the lineup even if he knew the kid was gone at the end of the year.
Second, according to Wilson himself, there was no impending transfer until after Kent was fired:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html)
QuoteHow did you come to the decision to transfer to MU: "After Coach Kent got fired, me and my dad talked about it...just being away from home. Missing my family so much, and not really noticing how much I depend on my family because I was here and around them all the time. I would come home sometimes for holidays and not want to go back, or stay a couple more days -- things like that. So after I came home the idea came up, we sat down and talked about it and thought it would be a good idea for me to get my release and try to move to a school closer.
Quote from: Marquette84 on May 03, 2011, 10:13:19 AM
None whatsoever.
First, Kent was struggling to hang on to his job. If he thought Wilson could help Oregon win, Wilson would have been in the lineup even if he knew the kid was gone at the end of the year.
Second, according to Wilson himself, there was no impending transfer until after Kent was fired:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html)
Even if Jamil didn't realize it at the time, Kent might have be able to tell that the kid was unhappy. Read those quotes again. He didn't enjoy his time at Oregon.
I have only seen Jamil play in the pro am. To me he is the second coming of Bernard Toone. Immensely talented, but soft. Toone drove McGuire nuts. Both players rather play on the outside instead of bang on the inside.
Let's see what happens with Jamil. Summer Pro-Am was just when he got on campus, before a year's worth of practice under Buzz. If Jamil is soft, he will be the first player under Buzz to get that label.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 03, 2011, 01:43:23 PM
Let's see what happens with Jamil. Summer Pro-Am was just when he got on campus, before a year's worth of practice under Buzz. If Jamil is soft, he will be the first player under Buzz to get that label.
Agree completely. That year in the program could be huge for him. As for Jamil, I can't wait to see him play. He is so athletic and skilled, he just glides around the court. Honestly, and I'm not comparing the two, but the last MU player I've seen move that fluidly on the court was Wade. He's the wild card for next year. If his mindset is where it needs to be, he will have a huge impact.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 03, 2011, 11:41:13 AM
Even if Jamil didn't realize it at the time, Kent might have be able to tell that the kid was unhappy. Read those quotes again. He didn't enjoy his time at Oregon.
Perhaps. But it strikes me that every college kid goes through a bout of homesickness his freshman year. I don't think its credible to think that Kent benched Wilson because of it.
Plus, the first words out of Wilson's mouth when asked when he decided to transfer was "After Coach Kent was fired. . . "
Reading the quotes, I would accept the argument that he may have been homesick and unhappy. But I also sense that he was willing to push through it until Kent and the coaching staff was were fired.
Hopefully Vander can improve his shooting range with some coaching. Wilson is a year older and he is home (Wis.). Otule works on his game and Gardner loses some more weight and will be able to jump higher. We need J.Jones to show off. Could use Bryant with his unlimited raw
ability. It's Junior's team. WE ARE MARQUETTE!
Hopefully DJO will also work on all around game. No choking.
Quote from: herboturbo on May 03, 2011, 06:56:18 AM
http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm (http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm)
RSCIChgAvgDev RH HM DT PS RC SI Total Ht Pos City College
45 2 50 14.9 Luke Cothron 50 48 60 39 45 55 309 6-8 PF Red Springs, NC Auburn
46 -3 50 14.9 Jayv.Pinkston 43 40 51 33 73 62 304 6-6 PF Brooklyn, NY Villanova
47 24 52 20.9 K.T. Harrell 53 51 36 54 30 90 292 6-4 WG Montgomery, AL Virginia
48 5 NA NA Vander Blue 35 34 90 24 31 291 6-3 PG Madison, WI Marquette
49 -9 53 5.0 Travis McKie 49 47 54 50 57 60 289 6-6 WF Richmond, VA Wake Forest
50 -7 54 11.8 Stacey Poole 61 52 67 59 33 51 283 6-5 WF Jacksonville, FL Kentucky
Yeah, that's about what I recall. RH didn't have him rated at all. The rating in which he got a 90 he was unrated in the previous one. Others he dropped down. So a combination. I think going into his Senior year many had him pegged as a lock for the best player in the state. He had a few troubles and depending on who you ask, maybe didn't meet those expectations his senior year.
Quote from: warrior07 on May 02, 2011, 03:12:37 PM
A reliable source recently told me that Bo Ryan was helping to keep Osama bin Laden safe in Pakistan.
Does anyone know if this is true?
Though OBL was perfect for the swing, heard Bo cooled on him.
Quote from: Earl Tatum on May 04, 2011, 05:39:51 PM
Hopefully Vander can improve his shooting range with some coaching.
I would be happy with Vander, if he would just stop shooting. Blue needs to concentrated on playing defense and not turning the ball over. There was more than one game this year where MU was making a comeback, partially do to Vander's effort on defense, and Vander would take and miss a shot that he should not of taken ending the rally.
Why hasn't this been locked? No sense in having threads going in the direction of who had a worse freshman year between Blue and Wilson or off the wall rumors about who is going to transfer with our latest signing of TJ Taylor.
Vander is a better shooter and scorer then he showed the 2nd half of last year. His confidence was just shaken. It will come around this year. Look at JR. we were saying the same thing about him for the 1st 2 months of the season and once his confidence came around he was like a whole different player. Did Jr's scoring ability get that much better in 2 mos or did he finally get confidence, relax?
Hopefully Vander has been working overtime on his shooting mechanics. He can be a great player if he develops his offensive game.
Vander looked decent early on, and he looked decent towards the end of the season. He seemed more confident after the Seton Hall loss, and seemed to be coming on and handling the ball better. In between, he had zero confidence.
He will be fine, and I bet we see a different player next year. But yes, he needs to change his shot mechanics, regardless of his confidence level.
I remember when Tony Smith was a freshman. He had a long way to go early on. He appeared afraid to have the ball in his hands and got rid of it as fast as he could. Vander will be fine.
Quote from: kmwtrucks on May 05, 2011, 08:56:25 AM
Vander is a better shooter and scorer then he showed the 2nd half of last year. His confidence was just shaken. It will come around this year. Look at JR. we were saying the same thing about him for the 1st 2 months of the season and once his confidence came around he was like a whole different player. Did Jr's scoring ability get that much better in 2 mos or did he finally get confidence, relax?
There is a hugh difference between a player that improves during the season vs a player that regresses. I fully expect players that improve during the season to continue to improve the following seasons. Now that does not mean Blue will not improve, but right his trend is in the wrong direction. Blue definately was not ready for the step up in competition in the Big East. He now knows what he needs to work on to be competitive. It was a rude awakening for a player that thought he was good enough to go pro after his first year. Maymon had the same problem. He was convinced he was a pro player and had no idea how far he was from getting there. Maybe, their egos were over inflated by their high school coach.
Quote from: bilsu on May 05, 2011, 11:13:06 AM
There is a hugh difference between a player that improves during the season vs a player that regresses. I fully expect players that improve during the season to continue to improve the following seasons. Now that does not mean Blue will not improve, but right his trend is in the wrong direction. Blue definately was not ready for the step up in competition in the Big East. He now knows what he needs to work on to be competitive. It was a rude awakening for a player that thought he was good enough to go pro after his first year. Maymon had the same problem. He was convinced he was a pro player and had no idea how far he was from getting there. Maybe, their egos were over inflated by their high school coach.
While I agree with the folks who say Vander needs to improve, the guy played in every game as a freshman. That is not bad stuff.
Who said Vander thought he would go pro after 1 year. I think his senior year in HS knocked that idea out of his head.
I think Vander struggled, but I think we'll see a lot of improvement over this summer.
Quote from: ringout on May 05, 2011, 11:33:26 AM
While I agree with the folks who say Vander needs to improve, the guy played in every game as a freshman. That is not bad stuff.
Who said Vander thought he would go pro after 1 year. I think his senior year in HS knocked that idea out of his head.
I think Vander struggled, but I think we'll see a lot of improvement over this summer.
No one said it, but.....
http://www.foxsportswisconsin.com/12/21/10/Bucks-Sanders-taking-on-mentor-role-for-/landing.html?blockID=377824&feedID=5196
Whoops, I guess Sanders' couldn't fill that mentor role while in the NBDL. Was he called back up to the Bucks after being sent to the NBDL in February? Bucks fans?
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/614867-nba-bucks-assign-larry-sanders-to-fort-wayne-mad-ants
If you want a funny one, little brother opines
http://www.uwmpost.com/2011/04/25/vander-blue-needs-to-grow-up/