Vander rumor

[4everwarriors]

With the commitment of this Taylor cat, did anyone change their mind on a player (guard) leaving the program?

[brewcity77]

Not at all. He'll join us in 2012, according to Rosiak, giving us the following in 2012:

PG: Cadougan (Sr), Taylor (So), D. Wilson (So)
SG: Mayo (So), Jones (Jr), Blue (Jr)
SF: Ferguson (Fr), J. Wilson (Jr), Anderson (So)
PF: Williams (Sr)
C: Otule (Sr), Gardner (Jr)

If Buzz can bring in Stokes or Poythress with that last scholarship for 2012, watch out. However...that schollie may be available now. Taylor's playing at Paris JC next year, so he shouldn't be on scholarship here until 2012. I'm guessing he'd rather use the year of eligibility to play, even at the JUCO level, since the alternative would force him to try to convince the NCAA to give him an extra year of eligibility to play at Marquette (he'd have to sit out a year as a transfer from OU, then have 4 years of eligibility but 3 years to use them).

[Blackhat]

Wouldn't surprise me if Blue was thinking about a transfer, he struggled a lot this year. 

Don't want him to transfer but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility, though we all know transfers are rare at MU.

[Skatastrophy]

Not at all. He'll join us in 2012, according to Rosiak...

Edit:  Nm, just read that he's playing at Paris next year and playing at MU in 2012.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Smartass

Blue was still considered top-25 and a 5-star prospect by some recruiting sites when he came here. I don't recall anyone ranking James that high. He may not have had the same RSCI number, but his peak ratings were higher than James. The last guy who had as much acclaim coming in was Kerry Trotter back in the early 1980s.

Not sure I agree, but suppose it's possible.  Vander's stock was dropping in his senior year, but maybe some of the services that stopped watching him late still had him as top 25.  I recall a few that did not and a few that simply didn't even have him in their top 100.

[herboturbo]

Not sure I agree, but suppose it's possible.  Vander's stock was dropping in his senior year, but maybe some of the services that stopped watching him late still had him as top 25.  I recall a few that did not and a few that simply didn't even have him in their top 100.

http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm
RSCIChgAvgDev                             RH  HM   DT   PS   RC   SI   Total      Ht   Pos   City   College
45   2   50   14.9       Luke Cothron   50   48   60   39   45   55   309       6-8   PF   Red Springs, NC   Auburn
46   -3   50   14.9      Jayv.Pinkston  43   40   51   33   73   62   304      6-6   PF   Brooklyn, NY   Villanova
47   24   52   20.9       K.T. Harrell    53   51   36   54   30   90   292       6-4   WG   Montgomery, AL   Virginia
48   5   NA   NA      Vander Blue              35   34   90   24   31   291      6-3   PG   Madison, WI   Marquette
49   -9   53   5.0       Travis McKie    49   47   54   50   57   60   289       6-6   WF   Richmond, VA   Wake Forest
50   -7   54   11.8      Stacey Poole   61   52   67   59   33   51   283      6-5   WF   Jacksonville, FL   Kentucky

[Tugg Speedman]

The lack of a spot open didn't stop us from taking Jamil Wilson even later in the year--and Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's.

Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's freshman year?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jamil-wilson&p1=vander-blue

I don't see it.

[willie warrior]

With the commitment of this Taylor cat, did anyone change their mind on a player (guard) leaving the program?

I have no way of knowing about a transfer, but in 2012-13 there will be a big logjam at 2G with Mayo, Ferguson, Blue, and likely this new guy Taylor, along with J. Jones and probably Anderson being tried out there although they are more likely wings.

Looking at it from the 1-3 standpoint, you will have 8 guys vying for 120 minutes of PT--some people will likely be unhappy.
PG Cadougan, DWilson, and Taylor
2G Blue, Mayo, Ferguson and Taylor as a combo along with DWilson as a combo
SF JWilson, Anderson, Blue and possibly Mayo
Nice problem to have, but somebody may be unhappy.
All the more reason Buzzster needs to use last schollie on a big.

[bilsu]

Until they actually sign there is no guarantee they will be at MU. Even after they sign we have learned that is not a guarantee they will be in an MU uniform. Besides that it sounds like they are projecting Taylor as a point guard.

[GGGG]

Actually, a better way of looking at it is 160 minutes of playing time and throwing EWill in there too.  Buzz can play small with Jamil or Juan guarding their 4.

I agree with you willie that they do need size with that last scholarship.  I am not sure Bryant is that guy though.

[Marquette84]

Wilson's freshman year was even more disappointing than Blue's freshman year?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=jamil-wilson&p1=vander-blue

I don't see it.

Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg.  Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.

[willie warrior]

Until they actually sign there is no guarantee they will be at MU. Even after they sign we have learned that is not a guarantee they will be in an MU uniform. Besides that it sounds like they are projecting Taylor as a point guard.

They may be projecting him as a PG, but Rosiak's article says that at the JC they will be trying him at the 1, 2 and 3. Probably not a true PG.

[GGGG]

He's not a true PG.  But as I said earlier on this board, I am not sure that many true PGs, with the ability to play D1 ball, exist any longer.  Most of them are combos...guards who have been scoring most of their lives but have to adapt their game once they get here.  UConn just won a national championship without a true point...so did Duke last year...

[MerrittsMustache]

Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg.  Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.

Vander came to MU with *significantly* more hype than Wilson did out west. That has a lot to do with it. Ducks fans weren't ignorantly expecting to see the next D-Wade on their squad. The writing could have been on the wall that he was transferring which would contribute to decreased minutes.

Either way, I fully expect Blue and Wilson to be two of MU's top players this up-coming season and that's really all that matters.

[NersEllenson]

Wilson was higher rated, played on a team with less overall talent, but only earned 16 mpg.  Most disappointing is the fact that instead of seeing an increased role on the team as the season progressed, Wilson wound up out of the rotation entirely, appearing in only 3 of Oregon's last 9 games.

Think this had anything to do with there possibly being knowledge of his impending transfer/desire to transfer?

[Marquette84]

Think this had anything to do with there possibly being knowledge of his impending transfer/desire to transfer?

None whatsoever.

First, Kent was struggling to hang on to his job.  If he thought Wilson could help Oregon win, Wilson would have been in the lineup even if he knew the kid was gone at the end of the year.

Second, according to Wilson himself, there was no impending transfer until after Kent was fired:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html

How did you come to the decision to transfer to MU: "After Coach Kent got fired, me and my dad talked about it...just being away from home. Missing my family so much, and not really noticing how much I depend on my family because I was here and around them all the time. I would come home sometimes for holidays and not want to go back, or stay a couple more days -- things like that. So after I came home the idea came up, we sat down and talked about it and thought it would be a good idea for me to get my release and try to move to a school closer.

[MerrittsMustache]

None whatsoever.

First, Kent was struggling to hang on to his job.  If he thought Wilson could help Oregon win, Wilson would have been in the lineup even if he knew the kid was gone at the end of the year.

Second, according to Wilson himself, there was no impending transfer until after Kent was fired:
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97628789.html

Even if Jamil didn't realize it at the time, Kent might have be able to tell that the kid was unhappy. Read those quotes again. He didn't enjoy his time at Oregon.

[bilsu]

I have only seen Jamil play in the pro am. To me he is the second coming of Bernard Toone. Immensely talented, but soft. Toone drove McGuire nuts. Both players rather play on the outside instead of bang on the inside.

[GGGG]

Let's see what happens with Jamil.  Summer Pro-Am was just when he got on campus, before a year's worth of practice under Buzz.  If Jamil is soft, he will be the first player under Buzz to get that label.

[MUfan12]

Let's see what happens with Jamil.  Summer Pro-Am was just when he got on campus, before a year's worth of practice under Buzz.  If Jamil is soft, he will be the first player under Buzz to get that label.

Agree completely. That year in the program could be huge for him. As for Jamil, I can't wait to see him play. He is so athletic and skilled, he just glides around the court. Honestly, and I'm not comparing the two, but the last MU player I've seen move that fluidly on the court was Wade. He's the wild card for next year. If his mindset is where it needs to be, he will have a huge impact.

[Marquette84]

Even if Jamil didn't realize it at the time, Kent might have be able to tell that the kid was unhappy. Read those quotes again. He didn't enjoy his time at Oregon.

Perhaps.  But it strikes me that every college kid goes through a bout of homesickness his freshman year.  I don't think its credible to think that Kent benched Wilson because of it.

Plus, the first words out of Wilson's mouth when asked when he decided to transfer was "After Coach Kent was fired. . . " 

Reading the quotes, I would accept the argument that he may have been homesick and unhappy.  But I also sense that he was willing to push through it until Kent and the coaching staff was were fired.

[Earl Tatum]

Hopefully Vander can improve his shooting range with some coaching. Wilson is a year older and he is home (Wis.). Otule works on his game and Gardner loses some more weight and will be able to jump higher. We need J.Jones to show off. Could use Bryant with his unlimited raw
ability. It's Junior's team. WE ARE MARQUETTE!

[Earl Tatum]

Hopefully DJO will also work on all around game. No choking.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://home.roadrunner.com/~rsci/RSCI_Final_2010.htm
RSCIChgAvgDev                             RH  HM   DT   PS   RC   SI   Total      Ht   Pos   City   College
45   2   50   14.9       Luke Cothron   50   48   60   39   45   55   309       6-8   PF   Red Springs, NC   Auburn
46   -3   50   14.9      Jayv.Pinkston  43   40   51   33   73   62   304      6-6   PF   Brooklyn, NY   Villanova
47   24   52   20.9       K.T. Harrell    53   51   36   54   30   90   292       6-4   WG   Montgomery, AL   Virginia
48   5   NA   NA      Vander Blue              35   34   90   24   31   291      6-3   PG   Madison, WI   Marquette
49   -9   53   5.0       Travis McKie    49   47   54   50   57   60   289       6-6   WF   Richmond, VA   Wake Forest
50   -7   54   11.8      Stacey Poole   61   52   67   59   33   51   283      6-5   WF   Jacksonville, FL   Kentucky

Yeah, that's about what I recall.  RH didn't have him rated at all.  The rating in which he got a 90 he was unrated in the previous one.  Others he dropped down.  So a combination.  I think going into his Senior year many had him pegged as a lock for the best player in the state.  He had a few troubles and depending on who you ask, maybe didn't meet those expectations his senior year.

[pbiflyer]

A reliable source recently told me that Bo Ryan was helping to keep Osama bin Laden safe in Pakistan.

Does anyone know if this is true?

Though OBL was perfect for the swing, heard Bo cooled on him.