That's when the wisconsin game is over?
It's going to be live on the 10 o'clock Sportscenter.
Realistic answers please
11pm Eastern seems late to announce Duke/UNC...Come on JP!!!!
Its after the wisconsin game
Quote from: GoMarquette32 on February 28, 2011, 11:05:02 PM
Its after the wisconsin game
It's also when the news is on.
I doubt the Madison game has any bearing, he could easily announce for them at 4:00.
The timing/venue of it seem really odd. Don't think it gives any hints either way, but still odd.
I hope to God that he's not going to UW, but you are right about the timing.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 28, 2011, 11:07:19 PM
It's also when the news is on.
I doubt the Madison game has any bearing, he could easily announce for them at 4:00.
The timing/venue of it seem really odd. Don't think it gives any hints either way, but still odd.
That's what Trimble said when asked about it. It's to accomodate the local news.
What hints are he giving
Quote from: whodem on February 28, 2011, 11:09:04 PMThat's what Trimble said when asked about it. It's to accomodate the local news.
My bet is that 4, 12, and 58 will all be there for him to announce it live. He won't get ESPN there live, but it'll be a major local event that will probably run on at least three networks and generate some discussion.
One interesting point...if he's focusing on the local media, might that indicate he's staying in-state? How much discussion is there from Dan Needles, Lance Allan, and Tom Pipines if he says "I'm going to North Carolina"? I guess the "local boy done good" angle, but it will pretty much be all disappointment. The timing may indicate he's staying in Wisconsin.
I still say UNC, but keep an eye out Wednesday night at the BC...
His dad says he's also transferring high school's next year.....last year Roy Williams is the person who suggested that he go to a school with more competition to help him reach his true potential....
Doubt that the family follows Roy's suggestion if he is going somewhere else.....just doesn't make sense to do so.
Haven't hear Bo or Buzz tell him that because it would kill them with Wisconsin HS coaches....Roy can get away with it.
Also, he apparently has very close family members in North Carolina.
As much as I'd love to see him as a Warrrior, I'd much rather see him a Heel than wearing Red and have to play him every year.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 01, 2011, 12:06:56 AMHis dad says he's also transferring high school's next year.....last year Roy Williams is the person who suggested that he go to a school with more competition to help him reach his true potential....
Doubt that the family follows Roy's suggestion if he is going somewhere else.....just doesn't make sense to do so.
Haven't hear Bo or Buzz tell him that because it would kill them with Wisconsin HS coaches....Roy can get away with it.
Also, he apparently has very close family members in North Carolina.
As much as I'd love to see him as a Warrrior, I'd much rather see him a Heel than wearing Red and have to play him every year.
Agreed...but there are only thin rumors of a transfer, it hasn't been confirmed yet and most likely no one will be able to say that for certain until well after Thursday. And I'd also rather see him play for UNC than Becky. I'm just saying that while they may know, there are a few hints (potentially announcing live on local news here and in Madison, not on ESPN, will he be at the Cincy game Wednesday) that he might not go to UNC. I'd put it at 95%, but I'll hold out thin hope.
If he announces for UW, I predict that Buzz will be sandblasted.
Quote from: whodem on February 28, 2011, 11:09:04 PM
That's what Trimble said when asked about it. It's to accomodate the local news.
10:00 PM at a Dave & Busters so it can be on the local news?
This has to be really good news for MU and UW and not for UNC. Let me explain.
If you assume their will be a crowd at D&B, and on Milwaukee 10PM local news broadcasts, why would you then tell the entire state "frack you I'm going to UNC and this area sucks so bad that I'm transferring to Oak Hill Academy in VA next year." Might as well then give everyone the finger when you're done.
Does he expect a D&B crowd to cheer this news? (If their is not a D&B crowd, and only family, why hold it there? Announce in your living room or High School gym.) They would cheer a MU and/or UW announcement.
Does he expect the local Wisconsin reporters engaged in cross talk after he announces to be all positive when he essentially says that everything about the state of Wisconsin says loser and he's not letting the door hit him in the ass on the way out of here?
This timing and venue only makes sense if he's making a MU or UW announcement.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 06:42:48 AM
10:00 PM at a Dave & Busters so it can be on the local news? This has to be really good news for MU and UW and not for UNC. Let me explain.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. If he were saying UNC, I'd expect him to announce at MF high school like most recruits do. Or if he were getting national coverage with ESPN putting it out live, then do it wherever. I think this could bode well for us. I'm mulling heading up to D&B on Thursday night. Might be fun.
Let's hope he learned soemthing from the LeBron James "Decision" fiasco from last summer...
Chances are with the way the new conference is set up, he's going to stay local. If he doesn't, I expect him to annouce that he's also transferring high schools for next year.
Excellent point. He picks UNC he possibly gets booed out the door. Fans don't respect those types of decisions. Then again, maybe he doesn't care if he does get the treatment.
There seems to be immense publicity over this decision. He is not a top ten recruit or anything and I have not seen him play, is he that good?
I wonder if JP is sitting at his computer, reading all these threads (and those on the boards of the other teams on his list), saying, "nope, you're very cold," and "hmm, getting a bit warmer," and "ooh, you're pretty hot now" with all these seemingly plausible explanations.
He just mentioned on a twitter article (http://bit.ly/TokotoUpdate) that the style of play is very important--he likes to play fast. Sounds like UNC or MU.
Quote from: nyg on March 01, 2011, 07:00:56 AM
Excellent point. He picks UNC he possibly gets booed out the door. Fans don't respect those types of decisions. Then again, maybe he doesn't care if he does get the treatment.
There seems to be immense publicity over this decision. ***He is not a top ten recruit*** or anything and I have not seen him play, is he that good?
Tokoto at one point was a consensus top-10 player, I remember seeing him ranked as highly as #4 by ESPN. He dropped after disappointing performances in summer leagues last year, and playing for Menomonee Falls, a team that hasn't been that good this year and doesn't play the highest level of competition, hasn't helped him at all. Even still, he's regarded as a freak athletically who can also shoot well, and really just needs to improve his strength to be a great collegiate player, something that should come with most any college-level weight training system.
Dumb as it may seem, a commit to UNC and a decent senior season, especially at a higher-profile HS, could lead him to being a McDonald's All-American and re-upping his stock. If he commits to Marquette or Wisconsin and stays at MF, there's no reason he can't have as high an eventual ceiling, but he probably doesn't get the immediate national pub.
People that hold press conferences on Friday evening usually want to avoid as much of the public as possible. Most people are otherwise occupied on Friday nights and are out of the "news loop" until monday. My guess is Tokoto is trying to avoid the wrath of UW fans after he saw what happened to Vander. Just my 2 cents...
Quote from: M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS on March 01, 2011, 07:39:34 AMPeople that hold press conferences on Friday evening usually want to avoid as much of the public as possible. Most people are otherwise occupied on Friday nights and are out of the "news loop" until monday. My guess is Tokoto is trying to avoid the wrath of UW fans after he saw what happened to Vander. Just my 2 cents...
True. But he's having his press conference on Thursday, not Friday.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 06:42:48 AM
Does he expect a D&B crowd to cheer this news? (If their is not a D&B crowd, and only family, why hold it there? Announce in your living room or High School gym.) They would cheer a MU and/or UW announcement.
Does he expect the local Wisconsin reporters engaged in cross talk after he announces to be all positive when he essentially says that everything about the state of Wisconsin says loser and he's not letting the door hit him in the ass on the way out of here?
This timing and venue only makes sense if he's making a MU or UW announcement.
I think some of you are really overestimating the significance of this announcement. Outside of a lot of nerds like us, few people will even know this announcement is coming, let alone care. The D&B crowd? What crowd? He will have a bunch of friends and family there, and they will be happy and cheer no matter what he announces
I of course hope he chooses MU, but truth be told, he will make his announcement, it will be written and talked about for a day or two, and then the only conversation will essentially be limited to boards like this one.
I don't think there is going to be much of a hostile crowd on a Thursday night at a Dave & Busters if he chooses UNC. I think it is fairly obvious at this point that he is going to UNC, going to celebrate that fact with his friends and family, and will be transferring out of state for his senior year.
He picked 10 pm because Bo Ryan never stays up that late
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 07:55:15 AM
I don't think there is going to be much of a hostile crowd on a Thursday night at a Dave & Busters if he chooses UNC. I think it is fairly obvious at this point that he is going to UNC, going to celebrate that fact with his friends and family, and will be transferring out of state for his senior year.
Completely disagree ... With all the publicity this announcement is getting on these message boards, I would not be surprised if D&B is packed to overflowing. What do you think D&B wants out of this? A packed Thursday night! They are probably even advertising this event and encouraging people to show up (I would if I owned that D&B). If a local TV station is sending a satellite truck and sports reporter, they will damn well hype it to get a big crowd. Sports talk radio will hype it the next two days.
It's the perfect thing for a single 20-something MU or UW fan to do on a Thursday night. It's the perfect thing for a MF basketball fan to do. Drive over to D&B in MF, have some wings and beers and watch Tokoto make his announcement live on TV. Expect hundreds of partisan basketball fans.
And when he says UNC and transferring to Oak Hill the booing will be deafening along with the shower of popcorn thrown at him. You think locals are going to welcome this news? Why make it in such a public place? Unless it's news the locals will like.
And then the live local new broadcast will use words like "disappointing to UW and MU fans" and talk about it in the negative tones. Local news casts are suppose to talk positive about the viewing area, not highlight some kid from MF that makes people that live in Wisconsin feel like losers. Then Friday at school he will be treated like a traitor.
If he was going to UNC and Oak Hill, make the announcement in June after school is over QUIETLY and get out of town in 24 hours. He makes this announcement Thursday and he's the host hated person in Eastern Wisconsin Friday morning.
Trimble and Tokoto have handled this so well then must know this and do not want to put themselves through this. This is why I think this bodes well for MU and UW.
I don't think he will be making any announcement about high school next year. My guess is that comes out later. If he chooses UNC, no one will boo...I promise you that. There will be cheers from his friends and family, and the next day will be treated just fine at his high school - I don't think his classmates would blame him one bit for choosing North Carolina.
Navin is right. You need to get some perspective here. Most sports fans want him to go local, but aren't so emotionally invested in the decision that they will be hostile if he chooses a "blue blood" school over the local school.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 08:12:59 AM
Completely disagree ... With all the publicity this announcement is getting on these message boards, I would not be surprised if D&B is packed to overflowing. What do you think D&B wants out of this? A packed Thursday night! They are probably even advertising this event and encouraging people to show up (I would if I owned that D&B).
It's the perfect thing for a single 20-something MU or UW fan to do on a Thursday night. It's the perfect thing for a MF basketball fan to do. Drive over to D&B in MF, have some wings and beers and watch Tokoto make his announcement live on TV.
And when he says UNC and transferring to Oak Hill the booing will be deafening along with the shower of popcorn thrown at him. You think locals are going to welcome this news? Why make it in such a public place? Unless it's news the locals will like.
Because its the way its done. He is not the first to do this. With all due respect, you're out of your mind.
He will be in one of the back rooms with his family and friends and the local TV cameras. There is not going to be some massive crowd hanging around next to the pop a shot machine.
There will be no boos (at least not sincere ones). There will be no popcorn throwing. he will not be treated like a traitor, and there will be no media frenzy. This is a 17 year old kid announcing his college choice. Why should he give a rip about some stranger MU or UW fan that disagrees with it? You are wayyy over thinking (or under thinking) this.
BTW, the job of the local news cast is to report the news, not to talk positively about the viewing area.
I remember Joe Wolf in 1983. I recall he got grief when he did exactly the same thing from partisan basketball fans.
You're giving MU, UW and supporters of Wisconsin too much credit.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 08:21:39 AM
You're giving MU, UW and supporters of Wisconsin too much credit.
Are there idiots out there who think this kid owes them something? You bet. Are they an extreme minority among MU or UW fans? Absolutely. The overwhelming majority of people, the ones that matter, will wish him well and move on, no matter what he decides.
Nobody really gives a stink about this nonsense except the fans of the respective schools. With price of gas approaching $4.00, people bitching for and against Walker, and the otherwise f*cked state of the world, I refuse to get my Speedos all knotted up over some 18 yr old and who's free education the dude is grabbin'.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 01, 2011, 08:21:34 AM
Because its the way its done. He is not the first to do this. With all due respect, you're out of your mind.
He will be in one of the back rooms with his family and friends and the local TV cameras. There is not going to be some massive crowd hanging around next to the pop a shot machine.
There will be no boos (at least not sincere ones). There will be no popcorn throwing. he will not be treated like a traitor, and there will be no media frenzy. This is a 17 year old kid announcing his college choice. Why should he give a rip about some stranger MU or UW fan that disagrees with it? You are wayyy over thinking (or under thinking) this.
BTW, the job of the local news cast is to report the news, not to talk positively about the viewing area.
We're guessing here so let's see how it'd done.
D&B is in the business of making money. If I was doing this (that is owned D&B as was approached about this event), I would charge the family hundreds of dollars to reserve a backroom for the evening (when you consider the set-up time and food). If they want it for free, than I'm setting up an elevated table next to the bar that everyone in the restaurant can see and out a giant spotlight on him. I want the place packed with partisan fans spending money in my restaurant.
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 01, 2011, 08:25:25 AMAre there idiots out there who think this kid owes them something? You bet. Are they an extreme minority among MU or UW fans? Absolutely. The overwhelming majority of people, the ones that matter, will wish him well and move on, no matter what he decides.
You're right. But I also think it's the idiots that are most likely to make the travel to D&B to watch the event, and either cheer like idiots or boo like idiots when he makes his decision. One thing that can't be forgotten is the immense negative feedback LBJ got when he snubbed his hometown in the most public way he possibly could. Going to a local hangout, timing the event for maximum media coverage, and putting it in a central location (D&B is by Mayfair, not in MF) is basically going for the most public announcement he can get.
I realize that JPT is not LBJ. What James did made him somewhat of a national pariah for a time and exposed him as a bumbling idiot when it comes to handling public relations. That's public knowledge. And while JPT isn't LBJ, he's probably the closest to him the Milwaukee area has had when you factor the media coverage these kids get today. There are some parallels, and it's not inconceivable that if they really are factoring in potential negative feedback, the location was chosen because he's going to shock us all and stay local.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2011, 08:41:38 AM
And while JPT isn't LBJ, he's probably the closest to him the Milwaukee area has had when you factor the media coverage these kids get today.
Oh please. JPT is the closest thing Milwaukee has to LBJ? I bet 90% of the people of Milwaukee have no idea who Tokoto is...and I might be generous by saying that.
Let's get some perspective here.
This venue is huge! ....
http://www.wauwatosanow.com/news/84605752.html
D&B in Mayfair by the numbers
34,000
Square feet of the Tosa's Dave & Busters
24
Number of flat-screen TVs
210
Number of employees
900
Number of customers expected on a typical Friday or Saturday night
AT A GLANCE
WHAT: Dave & Buster's, bar, restaurant and arcade for adults
WHERE: 2201 N. Mayfair Road
WHEN: The doors open March 1. Hours will be 11 a.m. to 11 p.m. Sunday through Thursday and 11 a.m. to 1:30 a.m. Friday and Saturday.
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You don't pick this place to have it secluded in the back room. Do that in your house or high school gym.
You pick this place to be in front of 900 drunk partisan fans and you better tell them what they want to hear. They don't give a rip about him or UNC. They only care about their team and they want him on their team.
So, unless this venue changes again (remember yesterday it was suppose to be Friday), this seems like good news for the local schools (MU and UW).
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 08:45:52 AMOh please. JPT is the closest thing Milwaukee has to LBJ? I bet 90% of the people of Milwaukee have no idea who Tokoto is...and I might be generous by saying that.
Let's get some perspective here.
From an local athlete making an announcement about his future in basketball, yes. Do you have a better example? Hell, can you give me
any examples of a Milwaukee-area basketball player making the announcement about his future in such a fashion?
Firstly, I am and my boys will be there. I stated in earlier post that I heard from reliable source that J.P. was MU bound. Again, my source is not super inside the program, but someone I trust a great deal.
If you're announcing in that place at that time of night when all the local fans have just gotten done watching the UW game...
You deserve to get booed in that setting if you announce UNC. That would just be rubbing it in the fans faces.
Could it really be UW?
I like JP and his game. I hope he's happy wherever he chooses to spend his college years :)
His quote about pace and not wanting to play somewhere that slows down the game solidly rules out UW-Madison.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2011, 08:48:04 AM
From an local athlete making an announcement about his future in basketball, yes. Do you have a better example? Hell, can you give me any examples of a Milwaukee-area basketball player making the announcement about his future in such a fashion?
None. But that doesn't make him the closest thing Milwaukee has to LBJ.
I think Tokoto would be more likely to get booed if he picks MU or UW over UNC. If he picks UNC most people will just be happy he didn't go to their in-state rival. If he picks MU or UW, that will anger half of the crowd.
For all the MU fans going please keep it classy whatever he decides.
As a great athlete who loves to play fast, JP would be a great fit on Marquette's athletic team. Hate to see him leave the state for NC. Remember how Joe Wolf let Wisconsin and Marquette down for NC. And, he never really stood out at NC. JP would be a great Marquette player.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 08:56:43 AMNone. But that doesn't make him the closest thing Milwaukee has to LBJ.
Then who is? If the answer is "no one", then the answer by default is JPT.
Joe Wolf broke Warrior hearts at 6pm news on a Saturday if memory serves me right. At that time it was a big deal. J.P.'s announcement is just a sign of the times. Wolf was far from a showboat but his announcement was big news. Just ask Coach Rick how big of news it was.
I agree with BrewCity. While not equal to LBJ he is the closest thing to it just because there is no one better.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 08:45:52 AM
Oh please. JPT is the closest thing Milwaukee has to LBJ? I bet 90% of the people of Milwaukee have no idea who Tokoto is...and I might be generous by saying that.
Let's get some perspective here.
Well said.
Another84....why would he wait until June? Makes no sense at all.
Hey by the way, the idea that he will be choosing UNC, and then heading to Chapel Hill for the Duke game is a little unlikely. The Falls plays Saturday afternoon at 1:30 in the WIAA playoffs in Waukesha. Unless he is taking a private jet to North Carolina following that game, there is no way he gets there in time for a 7:00 (Central) tip.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2011, 07:25:37 AM
Dumb as it may seem, a commit to UNC and a decent senior season, especially at a higher-profile HS, could lead him to being a McDonald's All-American and re-upping his stock. If he commits to Marquette or Wisconsin and stays at MF, there's no reason he can't have as high an eventual ceiling, but he probably doesn't get the immediate national pub.
If you have to start a sentence with "dumb as it may seem" then likely what you're saying is Really stupid.
There is. No way. He Will. Leave MF.
Let me be clear: No way in hell.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 28, 2011, 11:56:13 PM
My bet is that 4, 12, and 58 will all be there for him to announce it live. He won't get ESPN there live, but it'll be a major local event that will probably run on at least three networks and generate some discussion.
One interesting point...if he's focusing on the local media, might that indicate he's staying in-state? How much discussion is there from Dan Needles, Lance Allan, and Tom Pipines if he says "I'm going to North Carolina"? I guess the "local boy done good" angle, but it will pretty much be all disappointment. The timing may indicate he's staying in Wisconsin.
I still say UNC, but keep an eye out Wednesday night at the BC...
Don't keep an eye out on Wednesday, if I'm not mistaken he's going to Wisconsin that day to talk to Bo. Likely to tell him that he's going to UNC.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 01, 2011, 08:59:21 AM
Then who is? If the answer is "no one", then the answer by default is JPT.
He isn't known well enough to rise to that level. The correct answer is "no one...period."
Quote from: Ari Gold on March 01, 2011, 09:22:57 AMIf you have to start a sentence with "dumb as it may seem" then likely what you're saying is Really stupid.
There is. No way. He Will. Leave MF.
Let me be clear: No way in hell.
You misinterpret what I mean. All I'm saying is that if he chooses UNC and transfers to Oak Hill Academy, he has a better chance of being named a McDonald's All-American than he does if he chooses Marquette or Wisconsin and stays at Menomonee Falls. Regardless of level of play, regardless of success he attains in the next year, the odds of him earning national acclaim in the next 15 months markedly improve if he goes with option A as opposed to option B.
The odds also increase greatly that major recruiting services will rocket him up their boards and he will end up as a 5-star player ranked in the top 15 of the nation rather than a 4-star player ranked 30-40 in the nation. That's just what happens when you are a UNC recruit from Oak Hill (or something similar).
And while it seems dumb that his ratings and accolades would be influenced by that, I fully believe that they would be.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 09:30:04 AM
He isn't known well enough to rise to that level. The correct answer is "no one...period."
Based on this logic Milwaukee doesn't have an NBA team either ;D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 09:07:39 AM
Another84....why would he wait until June? Makes no sense at all.
I said if he's going to announce that he's leaving MF for Oak Hill and going to UNC, he has to understand some will view that as a repudiation of the state of Wisconsin (MF, MU, UW, etc). In this case, he's better off making the announcement when not in school and getting out of town ASAP. No need to put himself through unnecessary grief.
I agree it is an odd place and odd time. I have heard MU is out and I am pretty sure it is UNC. UW would not be on board with a school switch IMO. That sounds like Huckleberry Roy to me.
It also sounds like Ritchie Davis who has been sucking in all the attention over this like some Hollywood starlet.
Quote from: butchbadger on March 01, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
I agree it is an odd place and odd time. I have heard MU is out and I am pretty sure it is UNC. UW would not be on board with a school switch IMO. That sounds like Huckleberry Roy to me.
It also sounds like Ritchie Davis who has been sucking in all the attention over this like some Hollywood starlet.
Who told you MU was out? You have Trimble's mobile number? And he told you and no one else.
Fact is you have no idea what you're talking about.
Quote from: butchbadger on March 01, 2011, 09:38:59 AM
I agree it is an odd place and odd time. I have heard MU is out and I am pretty sure it is UNC. UW would not be on board with a school switch IMO. That sounds like Huckleberry Roy to me.
It also sounds like Ritchie Davis who has been sucking in all the attention over this like some Hollywood starlet.
Alright, now I've got to point this out. If you want to post condescending crap like that, keep it on the UW boards. I don't want people thinking an MU fan posted stuff like this.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 09:30:04 AMHe isn't known well enough to rise to that level. The correct answer is "no one...period."
So by this logic, you can never use a sample size or poll to determine the actions or feelings of a whole? Come on, that's just silly.
LBJ was a household name throughout the nation for most everyone. He made an announcement about his future in the most public way possible that snubbed his hometown and created jilted feelings. Idiots lashed out at him, he because a minor pariah, and is widely regarded as an idiot in terms of public relations.
JPT is a well-known name throughout the state for college and high school basketball fans. He is going to make an announcement about his future in the most public way possible that could snub his hometown and create jilted feelings. Idiots could lash out at him, he could be regarded as a local pariah by hoopniks, and if he did, it would have to seem a bit misguided in terms of public relations when he could have announced at MF and likely taken no backlash.
I'm not saying it's the same, but you can't tell me that on a
vastly different scale there are certainly a number of similarities. And I'm sorry, but if you can't, then I would suggest never looking at another political poll or sample size research study again, because clearly you could never trust what 1,000 people say to determine the general feelings of the nation, despite the continued statistical evidence that shows you can.
I'm about to the point where I'm hoping he just lip syncs the chorus to Mighty Mouse on Thursday night.
I'll leave all the uninformed analysis and speculation about the meaning of the site and time to others, not to mention ridiculous comparisons to LeBron, and simply say that if the kid somehow puts an MU hat on, Buzz Williams' stock goes through the roof.
The one really big thing lost in this whole discussion is that evidently UW never had a chance with this kid. Bo personally recruited JP like I've never seen him recruit anyone. All the "insiders" had Wisconsin as the leader and the story they'll write is that the Badgers lost out because almighty Carolina swept him off his feet. But if it hadn't been UNC it would have been MU, Maryland, Kentucky, UCONN or ANYBODY who doesn't play that God awful slowdown style of Wisconsin. JP wasn't going anywhere that didn't play uptempo and has said as much. So when some "insider" tells you that UW finished "second" in the Tokoto sweepstakes smile with the knowledge that they were a lock for second from day one - with no chance for first.
Hey BrewCity, Sultan, Navin, and CBB. You are arguing about a metaphor. Really, it's a metaphor.
The talks about JP getting booed at school the next day if/when he chooses UNC are laughable... I went to HS with Candace Parker, arguably the best woman to ever touch a basketball in the state of IL. **not trying to get in a WBB debate** and after she announced her decision to attend Tennessee on ESPN Radio there were no boos for snubbing the instate schools, there were congratulations and good jobs....
I would expect the same thing here. A kid deciding to go to a good school with a strong basketball tradition and a respected coach will earn any 17/18 year olds respect.
Quote from: uncle zeffy on March 01, 2011, 10:58:57 AM
The talks about JP getting booed at school the next day if/when he chooses UNC are laughable... I went to HS with Candace Parker, arguably the best woman to ever touch a basketball in the state of IL. **not trying to get in a WBB debate** and after she announced her decision to attend Tennessee on ESPN Radio there were no boos for snubbing the instate schools, there were congratulations and good jobs....
I would expect the same thing here. A kid deciding to go to a good school with a strong basketball tradition and a respected coach will earn any 17/18 year olds respect.
Ok. But did anyone in that room really think she was going to U of I? I imagine it was down to UCONN and Tennessee.
Quote from: reinko on March 01, 2011, 11:01:15 AMOk. But did anyone in that room really think she was going to U of I? I imagine it was down to UCONN and Tennessee.
And announcing on ESPN Radio and in front of likely a few hundred people and news cameras is apples and oranges. Was she at a public venue in front of fans of the schools in question, or was she at a private venue, such as a radio station or her high school where she likely had a partisan crowd in her favor?
Quote from: reinko on March 01, 2011, 11:01:15 AM
Ok. But did anyone in that room really think she was going to U of I? I imagine it was down to UCONN and Tennessee.
The point is that HS kids are going to be the LAST ones to get extremely worked up about what school the kid is going to go to. It's the Alumni of said schools that feel snubbed and will give him grief.
Quote from: uncle zeffy on March 01, 2011, 11:06:10 AM
It's the Alumni of said schools that feel snubbed and will give him grief.
So the people who will be at the announcment.
I agree with you though. You have to be a piece of crap if you boo the kid wherever he decides. I doubt anyone will.
Quote from: uncle zeffy on March 01, 2011, 10:58:57 AM
The talks about JP getting booed at school the next day if/when he chooses UNC are laughable... I went to HS with Candace Parker, arguably the best woman to ever touch a basketball in the state of IL. **not trying to get in a WBB debate** and after she announced her decision to attend Tennessee on ESPN Radio there were no boos for snubbing the instate schools, there were congratulations and good jobs....
I would expect the same thing here. A kid deciding to go to a good school with a strong basketball tradition and a respected coach will earn any 17/18 year olds respect.
I hope you're right about reactions to JP's decision, but comparing the interest and passion surrounding the Tokoto situation to the Candace Parker one is ludicrous. About as many people cared about Parker's decision as care about a topnotch high school hockey player picking Wisconsin or Notre Dame. The fact that ESPN televised her announcement is an indictment of the network's politically correct post Title 9 attitude.
I just don't envision him being booed at D & B if he chooses UNC. I would say the average citizen doesn't know who JP is. The people who really care are those of us on message boards and those who follow high school basketball. I don't envision many of those people to be camped out at D&B at 10 on a Thursday night waiting for his decision. I'm guessing the normal person will only see a story about him on the news and wonder why the heck he didn't choose UW.
As for the people who think it is a big deal he is doing it in a public place with the news and that it means he is going to UW, I don't think that's the case. From the POV of JP and his family, wouldn't the news like to hear a local kid making it big time and going to UNC? That doesn't exactly happen often in our state. What if he was going to do something at school on Friday and the news stations wanted to do it on the night news the night before?
I really hope he comes to MU, but I would be shocked if he went anywhere but UNC. I don't have any inside info, but it just seems that UNC is the way most seem to think he is leaning.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2011, 11:16:00 AM
So the people who will be at the announcment.
I agree with you though. You have to be a piece of crap if you boo the kid wherever he decides. I doubt anyone will.
Perhaps I missed the "Party at D&B's on Thursday Night" memo... are people assuming the announcement is open to the public, or is this actually being advertised somewhere as open to the public? Otherwise, the only people who would boo are the losers who would show up any way... very unlikely that any of these are going to be MU fans. Heck.. my guess is the closest thing to an MU fan in that crowd will be LBJ.
Seriously... listen to the Eagle. If you're an MU fan or well-wisher and you happen to see JPT on Thursday, shake his hand and genuinely wish him the best of luck. Even if he goes to UNC, it can still be somewhat positive for MU; perhaps JPT will drop in on Buzz occasionally or mosey on over to the Al for a pick-up game during the association's off-season... stuff like that may seem insignificant, but it might go a long way towards landing a future Top 10 recruit.
Quote from: Ari Gold on March 01, 2011, 09:22:57 AM
There is. No way. He Will. Leave MF.
Let me be clear: No way in hell.
http://bit.ly/TokotoUpdate (http://bit.ly/TokotoUpdate)
When asked whether Tokoto will be staying at his current high school next year, Trimble replied, "We will evaluate what's the best fit for JP...that includes looking at every opportunity."
Some people are blowing this WAY out of proportion. WAY out of proportion. This is a kid making his FIRST college decision that is ranked between 30-40. This is not the #1 recruit who has already committed to the in state school only to decommit and go to their biggest in conference rival who they will play twice a year (Eric Gordon, anyone?). This is a kid who is choosing THE BEST basketball program in the country (and he is choosing this) over 2 good in state programs. Agreed with TT that there would be more negativity if he chooses MU or UW by the opposing program's fans than if he chooses UNC. You'd be a fool to feel wronged if he chooses UNC. You'd be a fool to feel wronged if he chose any school really. If he committed to you and then backed out that's a slightly (but only slightly) different story. He's making a personal decision of where to go to school. He owes nothing to any of us. He wants to give local media a chance to air it live on News shows. It won't be out in the middle of D&B's with the place silent and him on the microphone.
You all REALLY think that the time of day and place of announcement gives clues to where he's going?! More so than the fact that he JUST visited UNC and had other visits planned for the future that he CANCELLED. Yeah, that means nothing, but the fact that he's announcing at D&B's at 10 PM show he's not going to UNC! Come on!
And to compare him to LBJ is hilarious. Yeesh. Maybe the most recognizable athlete in the entire world compared to a 17 year old top 40 basketball recruit. Yeah I see the similarities! Not. He isn't shunning the local teams...he was never part of them and will never be part of them. And if you want to compare to LBJ's decision...what was Lebron's decision? He made a public decision in his hometown, so he must've chose the Cavs, right? This is such a similar situation (hah) so he must be staying in state! Err...about that...
And to those who think that 11 PM is a late time to announce for the East Coasters...so what? They will not be showing this on local TV in Chapel Hill. I know some here think this kid is as recognizable as LBJ (lol) but he's not. This is not going to be nationally televised. Also, he's not going to be surprising the coaches. The suspense will be over by this time for them. They will know if he is coming or not. They will not be tuning in to see who he's choosing.
Som very foolish ideas on here.
When Vander decommitted from Wisconsin their was nothing but back-slaps and well wishes for him from the UW faithful? I remember vitriol spewing from them. This is what Tokoto risks, especially among UW fans because they genuinely think he's going to say UW (MU fans seem hopeful but do not expect it).
You sorely naive to think D&B will only have random people Thursday night that have no idea some big-time high-school kid is making an announcement for the local 10PM broadcast live in front of them. The memo is out, BASKETBALL FANS know this is happening and they will show up, get drunk, and hope he says their school. And their will not be many UNC fans in the crowd. It will be dominated by MU and UW fans.
Maybe he's doing it a back room, I don't know and no one else at this point. But why drive from MF to Mayfair to a 34,000 square foot restaurant that seats 900 to hold this in the back corner away form the spotlight? Again, D&B is not going to give them the space for free unless he turns it into an event for the public. I cannot imagine Tokoto family paying for this when they could do it for free at home or in their high school.
Also, make this into a big event to draw people into D&B's?! How many people do you think are going to go to this only because his decision is being made outside of his family?! This isn't Taylor Swift, Kanye, The Beatles, etc. playing live music for the night. It's a high school kid announcing his college decision!
And even if people are dumb enough to give him crap for choosing UNC (did I mention they have 2 National Championships in the last 6 years?) over Wisconsin and Marquette (who's last National Championship combined was 34 years ago, and they have 2 Final Fours combined since that time), so what? If I were him I'd laugh and say "Haha have fun shoveling snow, raking leaves, and cleaning your cars all year and looking at obese girls all day...I'll be in warm weather looking at gorgeous girls wearing mini skirts and winning a National Championship while never having to see you again!" He's going to UNC, who neither MU or UW play. He'll never see us fans again so who cares if we hate him?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 01, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Also, make this into a big event to draw people into D&B's?! How many people do you think are going to go to this only because his decision is being made outside of his family?! This isn't Taylor Swift, Kanye, The Beatles, etc. playing live music for the night. It's a high school kid announcing his college decision!
And even if people are dumb enough to give him crap for choosing UNC (did I mention they have 2 National Championships in the last 6 years?) over Wisconsin and Marquette (who's last National Championship combined was 34 years ago, and they have 2 Final Fours combined since that time), so what? If I were him I'd laugh and say "Haha have fun shoveling snow, raking leaves, and cleaning your cars all year and looking at obese girls all day...I'll be in warm weather looking at gorgeous girls wearing mini skirts and winning a National Championship while never having to see you again!" He's going to UNC, who neither MU or UW play. He'll never see us fans again so who cares if we hate him?
+1 as I sit here on a beautiful day in Raleigh
WW, the 30th best high school kid in the nation FROM Wisconsin is committing to UNC. This is not worthy of a cash strapped TV station to spend the money to send a satellite truck and reporter. Wilson's commitment as not worth a live broadcast. Vander's commitment was not worth a live broadcast.
Apparently, however, they are sending a satellite truck and reporter to cover this live which is why it's happening at 10PM. If he commits to MU or UW, it is news. If its UNC it is not.
What did he tell them to get the live broadcast? Their not showing up "just because" They called the station, the station asked why they should waste their time, and he told them something that made them want to cover it.
Seems to me "UNC" does not get them to cover it.
Again, I still expect UNC, I'm just saying either Tokoto is RISKING a PR disaster or might surprise us all.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
You sorely naive to think D&B will only have random people Thursday night that have no idea some big-time high-school kid is making an announcement for the local 10PM broadcast live in front of them. The memo is out, BASKETBALL FANS know this is happening and they will show up, get drunk, and hope he says their school. And their will not be many UNC fans in the crowd. It will be dominated by MU and UW fans.
I very much doubt this is true. But if it is, these people need to seriously re-evaluate their priorities. It's bad enough that some grown ups care all that much about where a teenager says he's going to college (guilty as charged), but to make the effort to go watch it in person? And then to get angry if he doesn't pick the school you want him to pick? Yeesh.
Fortunately, I think very few, if any, fans will do this.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 01, 2011, 08:53:33 AM
His quote about pace and not wanting to play somewhere that slows down the game solidly rules out UW-Madison.
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That was awesome
Quote from: wadesworld on March 01, 2011, 12:10:06 PM
Also, make this into a big event to draw people into D&B's?! How many people do you think are going to go to this only because his decision is being made outside of his family?! This isn't Taylor Swift, Kanye, The Beatles, etc. playing live music for the night. It's a high school kid announcing his college decision!
Then why are the TV stations covering it live? Are they stupid for doing this? Is the family stupid for even staging such an event? Just call Rosiak and Imig and tell them and be done with it.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:19:02 PM
Then why are the TV stations covering it live? Are they stupid for doing this? Is the family stupid for even staging such an event? Just call Rosiak and Imig and tell them and be done with it.
Wait ... who said TV stations are covering it live?
Do you really believe the top story of the night in Milwaukee is going to be where a high school kid says he's going to college?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 12:23:54 PM
Wait ... who said TV stations are covering it live?
Do you really believe the top story of the night in Milwaukee is going to be where a high school kid says he's going to college?
That is the entire point of this thread!!! They moved it to 10PM so the decision can be broadcast live on the 10PM news!!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 12:23:54 PM
Do you really believe the top story of the night in Milwaukee is going to be where a high school kid says he's going to college?
I remember a week or so after Favre went to the Jets the main story on the Milwaukee news was, "Local bank flies Jets flag over building." A few days later it was, "Woman Accidently Ordered Favre Jets Jersey Four Years Ago."
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:26:39 PM
That is the entire point of this thread!!! They moved it to 10PM so the decision can be broadcast live on the 10PM news!!
Again ... says who?
OHHHHHHHHH JP was previously committed to UW?! Well I guess that's where I was confused, I didn't know about this! And then UW has an agreement to play UW every year that JP is there?! And they're rivals?! Now it all makes sense as to why people would be negative to JP for choosing UNC! Come on man, think before you post, your logic is EXTREMELY flawed! First he's compared to LBJ, now to Vander Blue. Oh and JP lives in Madison, hey? There are absolutely 0 parallels from Blue's decision to JP's. And Blue didn't make his announcement in a public place.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
I remember a week or so after Favre went to the Jets the main story on the Milwaukee news was, "Local bank flies Jets flag over building." A few days later it was, "Woman Accidently Ordered Favre Jets Jersey Four Years Ago."
So now JP Tokoto is not only LeBron James, but also Brett Favre.
When do the Ali/Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan comaprisons start?
Maybe the family feels it is news if the kid is going to UNC. It isn't exactly a common event in our state. It is possible they are sending their sports reporter and it will be a clip in the sports segment later on. Also, do you really think the news station knows what he is going to decide? If they did we probably would hear something much sooner than his decision. His family has kept everything pretty quiet about the recruitment and you have to commend them on that. They seem to have handled this all very well.
JP might want to play a little pop-a-shot before he announces. For all we know this is a place he likes to hang out and it has some meaning to him. I'm sure he will be having fun with his family and friends before the announcement is made. If there are a lot of Badger fans there, then they will be concentrating on the game most likely. Heck, some of us don't even recognize recruits when they walk past us. Who knows if the common person will know if Tokoto bumps into him while they play a video game? I'm sure word will get around, but still. I agree that this is being blown out of proportion.
Is this thread going to keep going until Thursday?
Don't we have a big game tomorrow? Senior night? Last time we'll get to see our seniors play at the BC? :(
Why D&B? Why not Fuddruckers? Or Chucky Cheese?
Will Tim Maymon be present with this envelope full of school logos? A reprise of the technocolor shirt?
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 01, 2011, 12:32:05 PM
Maybe the family feels it is news if the kid is going to UNC. It isn't exactly a common event in our state. It is possible they are sending their sports reporter and it will be a clip in the sports segment later on.
The family doesn't decide what's news the station does. If their doing a clips for the news, it does not have to be 10PM, it could be anytime. Trimble said it was moved to 10PM to accommodate the local news. That means live broadcast.
Go back and read the first three pages, this has been covered.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2011, 12:28:07 PM
I remember a week or so after Favre went to the Jets the main story on the Milwaukee news was, "Local bank flies Jets flag over building." A few days later it was, "Woman Accidently Ordered Favre Jets Jersey Four Years Ago."
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 12:31:14 PM
So now JP Tokoto is not only LeBron James, but also Brett Favre.
When do the Ali/Tiger Woods/Michael Jordan comaprisons start?
My comment was simply made to show the poor content during slow news days on the Milwaukee news.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:31:30 PM
Trimble, his stepfather
He didn't say anything about live TV.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
My comment was simply made to show the poor content during slow news days on the Milwaukee news.
No, I understand that. It's just not very relevant to compare feature stories about the departure of the state's most-loved athlete, perhaps ever, to where a high school kid says he's going to college.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 12:38:50 PM
He didn't say anything about live TV.
He said it was moved to 10PM to accommodate the local news. What does this mean in your world?
Maybe he's doing it there so Buzz can be present... Bo will be busy...
Quote from: PE8983 on March 01, 2011, 12:50:08 PM
Maybe he's doing it there so Buzz can be present... Bo will be busy...
Buzz cannot have contract with him now. It would be a violation NCAA rules.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:47:51 PM
He said it was moved to 10PM to accommodate the local news. What does this mean in your world?
It could mean a lot of things.
It could mean so local news can report the decision during their sports report. Or they can interview him after the announcement and get the video produced in time for sports.
It could mean one local station asked for the time to accomodate its reporting schedule.
Really, there's no point in debating this. We'll know at 10 p.m. I'll be shocked- and saddened for Milwaukee - if JP Tokoto's announcement it reported live at that time.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:38:20 PM
If their doing a clips for the news, it does not have to be 10PM, it could be anytime. .
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 12:06:00 PM
And their will not be many UNC fans in the crowd. It will be dominated by MU and UW fans.
Everyone has the occasional typos and I know I'm being the grammar police, but this is ridiculous. Even my two high school freshman kids know that there are three different spellings of "there", "their" and "they're" and each of them knows how to use all three properly. Reading these is almost as bad as reading Mr. Hayward's posts when he was on here.
Totally separate from his college choice, I think he would benefit from a year at Oak Hill.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 12:57:59 PM
It could mean a lot of things.
It could mean so local news can report the decision during their sports report. Or they can interview him after the announcement and get the video produced in time for sports.
It could mean one local station asked for the time to accomodate its reporting schedule.
Really, there's no point in debating this. We'll know at 10 p.m. I'll be shocked- and saddened for Milwaukee - if JP Tokoto's announcement it reported live at that time.
Pukani - are you a freshman because my sophomore thinks this is a clueless response.
This thread got so long because I read the decision was moved from Friday to Thursday, to a large public venue (D&B in Mayfair) and to 10:00 PM to accommodate the local news.
This means a public announcement in front of a large audience and he will be saying something that the larger Wisconsin population wants to hear. It said this suggests good news for the local schools (MU and UW).
Maybe the facts as I explained them are wrong. If so, I will adjust my thinking. But please stop with the idea that "local news" means something other than live TV and that the Tokoto family is going to drive to a D&B in Mayfair to have a 10PM announcement to accommodate local news yet be sequestered in a private room. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
Again, tell me the facts as I have them are wrong. Until we find out they are, then the most likely interpretation is good news for either MU or UW.
I've got to agree with Pakuni on this one. There is room for lots of interpretation in "accomodate local television".
I don't think it is clear what coverage will occur based off of what has been posted here.
Personally, I would be SHOCKED if local news threw it live to cover his actual announcement.
However, I could see a reporter doing a live standup during the sports segment after the announcement is made. Perhaps even interviewing JP as part of it.
Maybe I'm splitting hairs between the two possibilities. Just my humble opinion.
Oh for Christ' sake. Saying the manner of his decision is being handled in a similar manner though on a different plane is not comparing him to LBJ. When I was in high school, my friend Donny was an athletic freak, a LB in football who was state player of the year and absolutely dominated opposing offenses in a way similar to how a you g Brian Urlacher dominated the NFL. Does that mean I'd be comparing them on an even plane? Of course not. But he dominated in a similar manner, making it an apt comparison albeit on a different level. That's the only reason I compared JPT's decision to LBJ's. That doesn't make JPT LBJ.
If these facts as I understand them are correct, here's what I'm thinking ....
The live segment will take 2 minutes.
30 seconds for the reporter to explain Tokoto (top HS BBaller) and that he about to make a decision that has the top colleges in the nation waiting for (mention the list of schools).
30 seconds, Tokoto says I'm going too ... crowd in D&B reacts.
60 seconds, why that school.
Thanks and back to the studio.
This is what Live TV means and why this type of announcement is good news for the local schools.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
Pukani - are you a freshman because my sophomore thinks this is a clueless response.
Is this supposed to mean something? Be witty? Clever? Funny?
Are you literally sharing your MU Scoop experience with a sophomore you own?
Like I said, there's no use debating this further (and I won't).
If,
in about 8 1/2 hours at 10 p.m. Thursday night, Milwaukee televisions stations open or break into their newscasts to broadcast JP Tokoto's decision live in front of a packed house at Dave and Busters, you'll be proven correct.
If they do not, you'll be proven wrong.
My guess is they will not broadcast the decision live and the house only will be packed by people who know JP or have a direct interest in his decision (and maybe you).
You disagree.
End of story.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 01:19:52 PM
This means a public announcement in front of a large audience and he will be saying something that the larger Wisconsin population wants to hear. It said this suggests good news for the local schools (MU and UW)
I hope you're right as it would would be good news for Marquette, not Wisconsin. He has recently gone on record saying he wants to play in an uptempo offensive system, which eliminates UW.
That said, UNC is the heavy favorite.
JP was all set to commit to MU, until he read this thread and assumed MU fans are a bunch of grammar policing ninnies who will nitpick and break apart words to twist it every which way just to prove they are right, no matter what.
These facts do not square with Pakuni's interpretations ...
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http://menomoneefalls.patch.com/articles/tokoto-to-announce-choice-of-college-thursday-night
Tokoto to Announce Choice of College Thursday, Could Transfer for Senior Year
J.P. Tokoto knows the college he will attend, but it isn't clear if he will play in Menomonee Falls his senior year.
Menomonee Falls basketball star J.P. Tokoto plans to end all the speculation and announce what college he will attend in 2012 at a press conference 10 p.m. Thursday night at Dave & Buster's Restaurant on Mayfair Road in Wauwatosa.
But as far as Falls hoops fans are concerned, the bigger news is that the junior phenom may decide not to play for the Indians next year.
While the decision of what college to attend has already been made, Tokoto's dad, Trevor Trimble, told Menomonee Falls Patch that what his son will do in 2011 remains up in the air. When asked, Trimble said that transferring from Menomonee Falls to play at another school is a possibility.
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http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/117106368.html
Tokoto to announce Thursday
By Todd Rosiak of the Journal Sentinel
Just got off the phone with Trevor Trimble, the stepfather of Menomonee Falls' J.P. Tokoto.
Tokoto will announce his college decision on Thursday at 10 p.m. The late start time is to accommodate TV stations' interest, Trimble said.
Tokoto's final list was trimmed to eight schools a few weeks ago: MU, Wisconsin, North Carolina, Kentucky, Duke, Maryland, UCLA and Connecticut.
Trimble said Tokoto has already made his decision. Understandably, the family is keeping the information under wraps until Thursday.
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Until these facts change ... live televised press conference
End of discussion
Good news for UW and MU
I can see channel 4 or someone televising his decision, however I don't get all the throngs of mad people and PR disaster you are conjuring up if he would choose UNC.
Quote from: dw3dw3dw3 on March 01, 2011, 02:00:13 PM
I can see channel 4 or someone televising his decision, however I don't get all the throngs of mad people and PR disaster you are conjuring up if he would choose UNC.
This is an announcement brings with it with winners and losers. The winners are 800 miles away. The losers are in the room where the announcement is being made.
Maybe the drunk UW and MU fans to politely clap and congratulate him, but I would not bet on it.
That is why this has the
potential to be a PR disaster ... unless he says MU or UW,
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 02:11:31 PM
This is an announcement brings with it with winners and losers. The winners are 800 miles away. The losers are in the room where the announcement is being made.
Maybe the drunk UW and MU fans to politely clap and congratulate him, but I would not bet on it.
That is why this has the potential to be a PR disaster ... unless he says MU or UW,
No, there will be no PR disaster when he chooses UNC. You are OVERBLOWING THIS. It's a 17 year old kid making a college decision announcement. It's not the best basketball player in the world who plays for his hometown team and is shunning them. He has never been a part of MU or UW. He was never committed to either and he owes nothing to either.
LBJ's decesion was a disaster because he is a pro-athlete who endorses products. A hit in his image could literally cost a company and himself millions of dollars.
A high-schooler announcing where he is going to college won't be a disaster.
It won't be a long-term disaster, it won't lead to riots in the streets or burning jerseys, but it could disappoint 60% of the people there, which in Wisconsin will almost assuredly include some drunk idiots who yell disparaging comments or throw popcorn. It's not remotely on the same level as LBJ, but that doesn't mean it couldn't backfire nonetheless.
All that said, anyone who gets down on him for picking UNC would be an idiot of the highest order. But there are a lot of idiots of the highest order at bars in Wisconsin at 10 at night.
Who's going to D&B to see this? A bunch of basketball forum dorks? They won't even talk to people in real life, much less boo a young man face-to-face.
I don't think the average UW-Madison or Marquette fan follows recruiting closely enough to drive to D&B on a Thursday to watch the announcement.
I'd guess that the decision is to facilitate a party with JP and his friends/teammates to eat some food, play some vids and celebrate the fact that this recruiting process is over.
/2cents
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 01, 2011, 02:25:31 PM
LBJ's decesion was a disaster because he is a pro-athlete who endorses products. A hit in his image could literally cost a company and himself millions of dollars.
A high-schooler announcing where he is going to college won't be a disaster.
I agree it won't be a disaster if he announces for UNC. I'll be disappointed, but I'll be over it in a few minutes, as I expect most MU fans will be.
I just don't know what the upside is.
I won't bet MU, but I am more optimistic, (10% more) then before this made for local news event was announced.
Look I hope it goes well.
I think some will view this as a kid as arrogant and that he's making an announcement that he "above" Wisconsin's Universities and high schools (if he announces is transferring to Oak Hill). Is that what's happening here? Everyone and everything in Wisconsin is second rate and I'm first rate, so off to Oak Hill and UNC and all you second rate losers staying here should congratulate me for being better than you?
I read this story as another kid that announced to the world he was better than everyone else.
http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/throwback/201102/high-school-juniors-college-future-uncertain-after-eighth-grade-commitment-ken#
Maybe it's true but you don't hold press conferences in Wisconsin to tell everyone to congratulate him for getting out of the second rate dump of a state.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 01, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
Who's going to D&B to see this? A bunch of basketball forum dorks? They won't even talk to people in real life, much less boo a young man face-to-face.
I don't think the average UW-Madison or Marquette fan follows recruiting closely enough to drive to D&B on a Thursday to watch the announcement.
I'd guess that the decision is to facilitate a party with JP and his friends/teammates to eat some food, play some vids and celebrate the fact that this recruiting process is over.
/2cents
+2 cents
It's the kid's moment, with his family and friends. Let him enjoy it, whatever that decision may be. And let him still be a kid. He's doing what he can to make the best decision for himself and his family.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 06:42:48 AM
10:00 PM at a Dave & Busters so it can be on the local news? This has to be really good news for MU and UW and not for UNC. Let me explain.
If you assume their will be a crowd at D&B, and on Milwaukee 10PM local news broadcasts, why would you then tell the entire state "frack you I'm going to UNC and this area sucks so bad that I'm transferring to Oak Hill Academy in VA next year." Might as well then give everyone the finger when you're done.
Does he expect a D&B crowd to cheer this news? (If their is not a D&B crowd, and only family, why hold it there? Announce in your living room or High School gym.) They would cheer a MU and/or UW announcement.
Does he expect the local Wisconsin reporters engaged in cross talk after he announces to be all positive when he essentially says that everything about the state of Wisconsin says loser and he's not letting the door hit him in the ass on the way out of here?
This timing and venue only makes sense if he's making a MU or UW announcement.
Makes me think more so that he's picking UW.
Don't ask me why, just conjecture on my part.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on March 01, 2011, 02:42:14 PM
Who's going to D&B to see this? A bunch of basketball forum dorks? They won't even talk to people in real life, much less boo a young man face-to-face.
I don't think the average UW-Madison or Marquette fan follows recruiting closely enough to drive to D&B on a Thursday to watch the announcement.
I'd guess that the decision is to facilitate a party with JP and his friends/teammates to eat some food, play some vids and celebrate the fact that this recruiting process is over.
/2cents
+1 to all, particularly the bolded part
I would have held the event at Bacchus or Carnevor.
F*ckin' would opt for Coyote Ugly or On The Border.
If you are picking NC, you would wait till next April to commit, if you like Wisco, which I believe he
is going to pick, he becomes a local hero for a year. MU, his mother, did not like Buzz chewing tobacco
in front of her the whole time and was disgusted by all the spitting that took place, no class.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 01, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
If you are picking NC, you would wait till next April to commit, if you like Wisco, which I believe he
is going to pick, he becomes a local hero for a year. MU, his mother, did not like Buzz chewing tobacco
in front of her the whole time and was disgusted by all the spitting that took place, no class.
Where did you hear this about the tobacco?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 01, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
If you are picking NC, you would wait till next April to commit, if you like Wisco, which I believe he
is going to pick, he becomes a local hero for a year. MU, his mother, did not like Buzz chewing tobacco
in front of her the whole time and was disgusted by all the spitting that took place, no class.
But you said it was a rumor a couple weeks, just a rumor...apparently now it's fact.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 21, 2011, 11:01:36 PM
Lets get back to Tokoto, I heard a rumor, just a rumor, that Buzz took the parents around the Al and school and was
chewing and spitting the whole time and Mrs. T, thought that was disgusting, and MU is not on the list anymore. Fact
or Fiction, time will tell???
Quote from: reinko on March 01, 2011, 04:13:01 PM
But you said it was a rumor a couple weeks, just a rumor...apparently now it's fact.
Nah. It's always been bullsh*t.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 01, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
If you are picking NC, you would wait till next April to commit, if you like Wisco, which I believe he
is going to pick, he becomes a local hero for a year. MU, his mother, did not like Buzz chewing tobacco
in front of her the whole time and was disgusted by all the spitting that took place, no class.
Can't wait until next April. Ol Roy wants an answer.
Choosing a school based on tobacco spitting? I hope not.
If this announcement is the top story of the local news in Milwaukee on Thursday night then we might want to relocate the campus out of the city of Milwaukee. There is ZERO justification to make this the top story in a "major" market. ZERO.
Just because he is accomodating the local news doesn't mean they will have a live look-in at 10:00am. I sure as hell hope not. With the world the way it is, and certainly bigger issues in Wisconsin and Milwaukee right now, even the notion this would be the top story is concerning. If it truly is, then Milwaukee media needs to get it's priorities in order.
It's clear that JP moved the time back to 10 CST to help promote the $10 eat and play at Dave and Busters. Sometimes you gotta have some ski ball with your chicken tenders...
It will be UNC.
Believing otherwise is far too optimistic.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 01, 2011, 04:12:57 PM
Where did you hear this about the tobacco?
Reliable sources, see what happens Thursday.
Quote from: 2002MUalum on March 01, 2011, 04:21:16 PM
It will be UNC.
Believing otherwise is far too optimistic.
I agree with you because he just returned from UNC and I'm sure Roy is pushing him for a decision. I just don't get the upside of announcing on prime time news if he's going to Carolina.
Tobacco chewing isn't sending JP to tobacco road.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
If this announcement is the top story of the local news in Milwaukee on Thursday night then we might want to relocate the campus out of the city of Milwaukee. There is ZERO justification to make this the top story in a "major" market. ZERO.
Just because he is accomodating the local news doesn't mean they will have a live look-in at 10:00am. I sure as hell hope not. With the world the way it is, and certainly bigger issues in Wisconsin and Milwaukee right now, even the notion this would be the top story is concerning. If it truly is, then Milwaukee media needs to get it's priorities in order.
It wont be 'live.' Too much danger in something going wrong live. It'll be a tape delay. Brew City got it mostly right storywise. Cept if he announces after 7 or before 10, he won't get all of the press he wants. ESPN can't cover anything in that time, twitter will already have the information out and local news will just make a passing note of it in the sports section with some B-roll.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 01, 2011, 04:26:57 PM
Reliable sources, see what happens Thursday.
LOL, I can see it on ESPN now "JP Tokoto announced he is signing with UNC. He was strongly considering Marquette, but his mom found Buzz Williams chewing tobacco and spitting to be gross"
The beautiful part about your rumor, it that it can probably never be proven or disproved. Well done.
I heard Vander changed his mind and came to MU because Bo Ryan didn't chew tobacco and drank bud light.
For those that have watched Tokoto play high school ball, i have a few questions
1. Why hasn't he been able to lead his team to more success? Is it just that his team around him pretty much sucks?
2. Is his overall game still fairly unrefined and thus he mainly gets by on his fabulous athletic gifts?
3. Is there a chance that he could have some struggles as a college freshman like Vander has had, but not to the same level or is it likely that he'll be very good right away?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 01, 2011, 04:32:50 PM
LOL, I can see it on ESPN now "JP Tokoto announced he is signing with UNC. He was strongly considering Marquette, but his mom found Buzz Williams chewing tobacco and spitting to be gross"
The beautiful part about your rumor, it that it can probably never be proven or disproved. Well done.
Don't they grow the stuff in NC? Must be going to UW.
Quote from: Ari Gold on March 01, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
It wont be 'live.' Too much danger in something going wrong live. It'll be a tape delay. Brew City got it mostly right storywise. Cept if he announces after 7 or before 10, he won't get all of the press he wants. ESPN can't cover anything in that time, twitter will already have the information out and local news will just make a passing note of it in the sports section with some B-roll.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/117106368.html
Tokoto will announce his college decision on Thursday at 10 p.m. The late start time is to accommodate TV stations' interest, Trimble said.Tape delay make zero sense. Then do it at 10AM, 4PM 6PM or 8PM. 10PM to "accommodate TV stations' interest" means live cut in with the decision.
Now, this could change or the facts as explained above might be misleading or misstated.
That said, I completely agree with Chicos that Tokoto's announcement has ZERO news interest for Wisconsin TV. Let me repeat ZERO interest. That's why I said the only reason they might be covering it is they think Roy is about to get a facial from either MU or UW. Otherwise, I have to question the station that wastes money to send a truck and reporter to Mayfair Wisconsin to cover a Milwaukee area kid ranked 30th in the nation announcing he's going to UNC.
It means nothing, but just to see more twists in the plot....
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1628720255 (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1628720255)
Bronson Koenig's facebook picture is him with JP and Jordan Taylor in Wisconsin's locker room.
Ungood!
1. Why hasn't he been able to lead his team to more success? Is it just that his team around him pretty much sucks? They have no other talent. Hard for a non-guard to dominate by himself
2. Is his overall game still fairly unrefined and thus he mainly gets by on his fabulous athletic gifts?
Yes. Can't shoot at all. NO real post moves either. The times I have seen him he has scored off of passes and mostly put backs. Good overall feel for the game and decent passer. I was concerned I never saw him break into a full sprint in two games. Smooth. A freak athlete whose game skills need a lot of work.
3. Is there a chance that he could have some struggles as a college freshman like Vander has had, but not to the same level or is it likely that he'll be very good right away? Yes. I thought VB's overall game was way farther along than JPT's even though he received no coaching in high school.
He will be good on the break and if he has a good PG he will finish around the hoop. Like VB, he has tons of upside.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 05:51:13 PM
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/117106368.html
Tokoto will announce his college decision on Thursday at 10 p.m. The late start time is to accommodate TV stations' interest, Trimble said.
Tape delay make zero sense. Then do it at 10AM, 4PM 6PM or 8PM. 10PM to "accommodate TV stations' interest" means live cut in with the decision.
Now, this could change or the facts as explained above might be misleading or misstated.
That said, I completely agree with Chicos that Tokoto's announcement has ZERO news interest for Wisconsin TV. Let me repeat ZERO interest. That's why I said the only reason they might be covering it is they think Roy is about to get a facial from either MU or UW. Otherwise, I have to question the station that wastes money to send a truck and reporter to Mayfair Wisconsin to cover a Milwaukee area kid ranked 30th in the nation announcing he's going to UNC.
Zero interest? Disagree. Interest enough to put it as the first story at 10:00pm? Not a chance. That's the difference.
And the reason you don't do it at 10AM, 4PM 6PM or 8PM is simple...we're in an internet age now. The story is old news 5 minutes after he announces it.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 04:18:49 PM
If this announcement is the top story of the local news in Milwaukee on Thursday night then we might want to relocate the campus out of the city of Milwaukee. There is ZERO justification to make this the top story in a "major" market. ZERO.
Just because he is accomodating the local news doesn't mean they will have a live look-in at 10:00am. I sure as hell hope not. With the world the way it is, and certainly bigger issues in Wisconsin and Milwaukee right now, even the notion this would be the top story is concerning. If it truly is, then Milwaukee media needs to get it's priorities in order.
In my opinion , one of the oldest and lamest "jokes" going is the ripping of local news channels - in any market. When I was at MU, most kids from outside WI ripped MKE news. People from major cities all seem to think their local news is superior to other cities local news. Like you Chicos - I travel a fair amount for work and see plenty of local newscasts - there is little differentiation, and all have their warts.
And as far as choosing to run with this as the top story or lead - I see nothing wrong with it - WI has very few highly sought after BBall players - so this isn't an everyday occurrence. furthermore - the whole WI politics thing has been played out on the local and national media enough already.
They have to consider their audience. Only about 25% of Americans give a rip about sports, the folks that care about high school and college sports is even smaller. You have some major things going on in the state, the Middle East is in hyper drive even for them, etc, etc. Yes, Milwaukee news is a lot more provincial than LA news, I'm sure we all get that because it has that "we a big city but we care about all the small stuff" news mentality.
But if this guy's decision is the lead story, I'd be surprised. It's newsworthy, and there should be plenty of interest (despite what ANother84 was saying), but it should not be the top story of the day to tell people where he's going to play and get a scholarship for the next 4 years. I wish the kid nothing but the best, but there are way more important stories affecting people's lives than to have this be the lead.
I have talked to more people who follow both MU and UW that have never heard the name JP Tokoto than people who have heard of him. Factor in the fact that the majority of the general population doesn't care about college basketball outside of late March as well as the fact that happenings in a different section of Madison are national news much less local news... I can't see any way this announcement is the lead story on any network Thursday night. I'm not entirely convinced it would be outside of the normal 2.5 minutes of sports Milwaukee stations normally have. They can't give up the 10 min of weather!
99.9 % of Milwaukeeans have no idea who he is. :-\
Quote from: butchbadger on March 01, 2011, 07:19:55 PM
99.9 % of Milwaukeeans have no idea who he is. :-\
Which, quite frankly, is how it SHOULD be.
Ners. Chicos. All local news sucks ass.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 01, 2011, 07:26:27 PM
Ners. Chicos. All local news sucks ass.
I wouldn't say all, but certainly many markets. How good looking the talent is can sway my opinion.
Amazed this thread is still on track (pardoning the brief discussion of local news sucking).
Being a 2012 recruit, he will have competition from Ferguson at the SF position.
I wouldn't put to much stock into how he looks his junior year of HS, especially in comparison to Vander (different players/styles/ages). JP's game might change considerably as he adds muscle onto his frame.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 01, 2011, 07:49:18 PM
Amazed this thread is still on track (pardoning the brief discussion of local news sucking).
Being a 2012 recruit, he will have competition from Ferguson at the SF position.
I wouldn't put to much stock into how he looks his junior year of HS, especially in comparison to Vander (different players/styles/ages). JP's game might change considerably as he adds muscle onto his frame.
I have to think elite players want competition, that's what drives them, that's what makes one better. That's the whole point in going to a school like Duke, UNC, UCLA, etc....no guaranteed starts, you need to bust your butt against someone that is as good or maybe better than you everyday in practice.
Talked to my friend's sister who is friends with JP and have class together:
JP is going to go to UNC, he's going to transfer to Oak Hill (looks like I was wrong about that)
JP doesn't want the presser, nor does he want to leave his friends in MF, but his dad thinks its his best. Looks like there is a little touch of maymon's dad going on here. JP's dad isn't a fan of what's been going on with the coaching at MF. But he's been doing a good job selling himself as a 'good dad'
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
I have to think elite players want competition, that's what drives them, that's what makes one better. That's the whole point in going to a school like Duke, UNC, UCLA, etc....no guaranteed starts, you need to bust your butt against someone that is as good or maybe better than you everyday in practice.
That's why Cody Z is headed to Bloomington. He'll get to go toe to toe with Tom Pritchard every day.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 07:03:25 PM
Zero interest? Disagree. Interest enough to put it as the first story at 10:00pm? Not a chance. That's the difference.
And the reason you don't do it at 10AM, 4PM 6PM or 8PM is simple...we're in an internet age now. The story is old news 5 minutes after he announces it.
I never suggested it was the LEAD. I took "10PM" to be short-hand for the "news half hour" not the top of the local news show right at 10PM.
I'm suggesting it's a live cut in during the normal time of the sports segment, about 10:20ish.
At this moment Tokoto ranking is not materially different than Maymon, Blue or Wilson. I don't remember live cut-ins for their announcements. So, if a live cut-in for Tokoto's announcement with the sports reporter introducing Wisconsin to a kid they never heard of, only to tell them he's the 30th best kid in the country, and then inform them he's going to college 800 miles away and leaving for VA thsi summer and never to be heard from in Wisconsin again, the station director that approved this should be fired for wasting resources. Why does anyone in Wisconsin even remotely care about this story?
So, I suggested that maybe their is more to it. Maybe he's going to say a local school and the news angle is the local school beat out the juggernaut that is UNC. Even that is a weak angle but it makes more sense than to spend resources to tell Wisconsin about a kid that is leaving the state for good.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 07:56:05 PM
I have to think elite players want competition, that's what drives them, that's what makes one better.
I agree. I hope he wants competition no matter where his decision takes him.
Quote from: T-Bone on March 01, 2011, 02:52:55 PM
+2 cents
It's the kid's moment, with his family and friends. Let him enjoy it, whatever that decision may be. And let him still be a kid. He's doing what he can to make the best decision for himself and his family.
I hear what you are saying, but it is not exactly a moment for just him and his family and friends. His father made it a point to tell the media that he would be making his announcement at D&B. If it was just a private moment, he could easily call any involved schools from his home and let those schools make the public announcements on their own. With that said, I wish the best for him, regardless where he decides to play.
Quote from: Jumping Jesuit on March 01, 2011, 08:17:44 PM
I hear what you are saying, but it is not exactly a moment for just him and his family and friends. His father made it a point to tell the media that he would be making his announcement at D&B. If it was just a private moment, he could easily call any involved schools from his home and let those schools make the public announcements on their own. With that said, I wish the best for him, regardless where he decides to play.
Problem is, several media outlets are going to want to speak with him about his decision. Rather than take several phone calls/interview requests from several outlets, repeating the same answers to the same questions over and over, he can hold a press conference and be done with it.
Quote from: ringout on March 01, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Can't wait until next April. Ol Roy wants an answer.
Choosing a school based on tobacco spitting? I hope not.
According to the Chicago Tribune, that booger-eating Tom Kleinschmidt, picked DePaul over ND, because Digger winked at his mom at one of his high school games, coming across as too arrogant.
That stuff happens.
Quote from: Knight Commission on March 01, 2011, 08:33:47 PM
According to the Chicago Tribune, Tom Kleinschmidt picked DePaul over ND, because Digger winked at his mom at one of his high school games, coming across as too arrogant.
That stuff happens.
Digger was flat out arrogant.
Flysheet shoulda gone to ND anyway.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 01, 2011, 08:04:53 PM
That's why Cody Z is headed to Bloomington. He'll get to go toe to toe with Tom Pritchard every day.
Probably more like the other 4 and 5 star guys he'll be playing with in the years after....or perhaps because like UNC, IU is one of the top programs of all-time and he wants to play at one of the top programs of all-time.....perhaps you forgot that part....why yes, you did.
Another84, I sure took it as the top story. I think a few others did as well. If you meant the normal sports bit that lasts 3 minutes, by all means I agree with you. That's where it should go.
Quote from: Ari Gold on March 01, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
Talked to my friend's sister who is friends with JP and have class together:
JP is going to go to UNC, he's going to transfer to Oak Hill (looks like I was wrong about that)
JP doesn't want the presser, nor does he want to leave his friends in MF, but his dad thinks its his best. Looks like there is a little touch of maymon's dad going on here. JP's dad isn't a fan of what's been going on with the coaching at MF. But he's been doing a good job selling himself as a 'good dad'
I talked to my friend's grandma who's nephew's son's friend is a friend of JP and he said that he is going to MU. That message might of changed many times and might be wrong but just saying.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 01, 2011, 08:25:46 PM
Problem is, several media outlets are going to want to speak with him about his decision. Rather than take several phone calls/interview requests from several outlets, repeating the same answers to the same questions over and over, he can hold a press conference and be done with it.
Good point. And I didn't think of that. Though, you can still invite the media to your house, gym, etc. and make the announcement without announcing, beforehand, where and when you plan to announce your announcement. Good luck to him, wherever he goes.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Probably more like the other 4 and 5 star guys he'll be playing with in the years after....or perhaps because like UNC, IU is one of the top programs of all-time and he wants to play at one of the top programs of all-time.....perhaps you forgot that part....why yes, you did.
Just because a program was a top program 23 years ago (last time they won the tourney) or 8 years ago (last time they made the final four) does not mean they will always be a top program.
San Francisco is one of only fourteen teams to ever win more than one NCAA championship, but they haven't been relevant for years.
Temple and Houston have been two of the most dominant basketball programs in NCAA history, but nobody's flocking there. Before you say it's because they're not in a power conference anymore, look at Arkansas, 10th all time in final four appearances.
Situations change, and programs change. None of the kids on Indiana's team were alive the last time they won a championship, and I hardly think it holds the same cachet it used to. Knight's final years put a black eye on the program, and Sampson really drove a dagger through it. Maybe Crean can make them a national presence again, but I don't they're a top 10 storied program anymore.
Quote from: mu ricer22 on March 01, 2011, 08:46:34 PM
I talked to my friend's grandma who's nephew's son's friend is a friend of JP and he said that he is going to MU. That message might of changed many times and might be wrong but just saying.
It may sound like that, but I trust that Ari's info is good.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on March 01, 2011, 09:03:07 PM
Just because a program was a top program 23 years ago (last time they won the tourney) or 8 years ago (last time they made the final four) does not mean they will always be a top program.
San Francisco is one of only fourteen teams to ever win more than one NCAA championship, but they haven't been relevant for years.
Temple and Houston have been two of the most dominant basketball programs in NCAA history, but nobody's flocking there. Before you say it's because they're not in a power conference anymore, look at Arkansas, 10th all time in final four appearances.
Situations change, and programs change. None of the kids on Indiana's team were alive the last time they won a championship, and I hardly think it holds the same cachet it used to. Knight's final years put a black eye on the program, and Sampson really drove a dagger through it. Maybe Crean can make them a national presence again, but I don't they're a top 10 storied program anymore.
Can't your same argument be made about MU around 1999...on Sweet 16 in 20+ years, two NCAA wins in years and years.....then something happened and we became relevant again. It doesn't matter if you buy it, the question is if recruits do.
Incidentally, every top programs of all-time poll in the last decade has IU in the top 7, some as high as 5.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28116552/ns/sports-college_basketball/
http://www.rankopedia.com/Greatest-All-Time-Men%27s-College-Basketball-Program/Step1/825/.htm
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/blog/?p=128
Etc
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Can't your same argument be made about MU around 1999...on Sweet 16 in 20+ years, two NCAA wins in years and years.....then something happened and we became relevant again. It doesn't matter if you buy it, the question is if recruits do.
Incidentally, every top programs of all-time poll in the last decade has IU in the top 7, some as high as 5.
Sure, that argument can be applied to Marquette. But I'm not running around claiming MU is an all-time top ten program, nor do I believe that our NCAA championship from '77 attracts recruits. Outside of a very select few, it's about 'what have you done for me lately' program results and who's coaching. Look at what happened to Michigan since their scandal in the 90's...
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 07:42:19 PM
I wouldn't say all, but certainly many markets. How good looking the talent is can sway my opinion.
I will watch a shitty newscast if the biscuit is tasty.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Can't your same argument be made about MU around 1999...on Sweet 16 in 20+ years, two NCAA wins in years and years.....then something happened and we became relevant again. It doesn't matter if you buy it, the question is if recruits do.
Incidentally, every top programs of all-time poll in the last decade has IU in the top 7, some as high as 5.
http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/1004/cbe1.pdf
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/28116552/ns/sports-college_basketball/
http://www.rankopedia.com/Greatest-All-Time-Men%27s-College-Basketball-Program/Step1/825/.htm
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/blog/?p=128
Etc
I was with you on the rankings (sort of) until you put 'rank-o-pedia' on there. Probably should have left that one off.
To highlight my point, look at these rankings on the ESPN list Iowa:10 Oklahoma State:18 DePaul:26. All time results may put these teams up there. But things like massive sanctions happen and it can damage a team for decades.
In fact, the CBS article makes this comment
After Knight left, Indiana has only won 17.7 games per season, but the wealth of accomplishments they collected during his tenure is enough to secure the #7 spot on this list.Maybe it isn't Indiana that has the tradition to influence current players, but Knight himself. As time goes on, Indiana stops being as storied a school, no matter how you qualify it.
1.
it won't be a live announcement at 10pm.
local news will not lead with a live shot of this... period.
it 'might' be at 10, with the announcement being taped for the sports segment which could be done live later in the show.
2.
not all news stations run their sports at exactly the same time, so a delay for all local news to cover is unlikely.
1 station, maybe live. 2 or 3, nope.
3.
if it's a satellite truck, it's ESPN or NC tv... local would be microwave.
satellite is for long haul transmission only.
that could be a clue, if the terminology was used correctly.
4.
what does Lyndon Baynes Johnson have to do with this discussion anyway?
:o
Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on March 01, 2011, 09:27:22 PM
I will watch a crapty newscast if the biscuit is tasty.
Hell, I even watched Erin interview cats at the Oscars.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 01:36:44 PM
If these facts as I understand them are correct, here's what I'm thinking ....
The live segment will take 2 minutes.
30 seconds for the reporter to explain Tokoto (top HS BBaller) and that he about to make a decision that has the top colleges in the nation waiting for (mention the list of schools).
30 seconds, Tokoto says I'm going too ... crowd in D&B reacts.
60 seconds, why that school.
Thanks and back to the studio.
This is what Live TV means and why this type of announcement is good news for the local schools.
AnotherMU84
Quick question.....and not to be disrespectful but, do you think that repeating this over and over will somehow make it come true?
It IS big news that a local kid is being recruited by UNC....go back through the archives of the MF newspaper and look at the big deal they made each time Roy came to visit....pictures and all....
I have a hard time believing he'd pick UW since he has come out and said he hates slow paced play....the move to another HS comes at the suggestion of Roy......sorry to say it but he's a Heel......
Quote from: TVDirector on March 01, 2011, 09:34:05 PM
1.
it won't be a live announcement at 10pm.
local news will not lead with a live shot of this... period.
it 'might' be at 10, with the announcement being taped for the sports segment which could be done live later in the show.
2.
not all news stations run their sports at exactly the same time, so a delay for all local news to cover is unlikely.
1 station, maybe live. 2 or 3, nope.
3.
if it's a satellite truck, it's ESPN or NC tv... local would be microwave.
satellite is for long haul transmission only.
that could be a clue, if the terminology was used correctly.
4.
what does Lyndon Baynes Johnson have to do with this discussion anyway?
:o
The satelite vs microwave clue has swung me back in the UNC camp.....
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Incidentally, every top programs of all-time poll in the last decade has IU in the top 7, some as high as 5.
IU is probably the worst example you could find to demonstrate the point you're trying to make.
Quote from: mugrad2006 on March 01, 2011, 09:29:35 PM
Maybe it isn't Indiana that has the tradition to influence current players, but Knight himself. As time goes on, Indiana stops being as storied a school, no matter how you qualify it.
Bazinga. IU Basketball is like France... culture, tradition, a power to be reckoned with at one point in time, but resigned themselves years ago to being someone's punch line for the remainder of eternity.
Quote from: Benny B on March 01, 2011, 10:10:03 PM
IU is probably the worst example you could find to demonstrate the point you're trying to make.
I provided the links, they are what they are. When you see who they have coming in for 2012, 2013 and 2014, hard to argue with the lure. We all know those kids aren't going there for TC....right?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 10:12:56 PM
I provided the links, they are what they are. When you see who they have coming in for 2012, 2013 and 2014, hard to argue with the lure. We all know those kids aren't going there for TC....right?
They probably are going for Tom Crean, the coach that found D-Wade and led MU to a Final Four. Not saying Indiana isn't still attractive, just saying Indiana's tradition is much further down the list of why kids go there vs. coach and facilities. Indiana's not UNC, Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas anymore.
Let's set one thing straight. Tradition doesn't recruit star athletes. Tradition is something that's sold to the alumni. Athletes are recruited by the "here and now" and "what's in it for me" aspects of the school/team.
TC is a great pitchman; he has a decent product and knows how to sell it. Unfortunately, the IU "tradition" isn't selling very well to the alumni these days. Most whom I know don't even watch IU hoops anymore... some even follow other teams.
Case in point: My father-in-law -- IU alum and old-school Indiana basketball die-hard -- has been to "hundreds" of IU basketball games but hasn't been to a game since Knight left, and it doesn't bother him one bit. He's actually more in tune with MU these days because he can now talk college hoops with his daughter - another IU alum - who never liked sports until her future spouse took her to watch a game at the BC.
UNC has tradition.... but that's not why JPT is going there (if that is where he's going).
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 08:05:38 PM
At this moment Tokoto ranking is not materially different than Maymon, Blue or Wilson. I don't remember live cut-ins for their announcements. So, if a live cut-in for Tokoto's announcement with the sports reporter introducing Wisconsin to a kid they never heard of, only to tell them he's the 30th best kid in the country, and then inform them he's going to college 800 miles away and leaving for VA thsi summer and never to be heard from in Wisconsin again, the station director that approved this should be fired for wasting resources. Why does anyone in Wisconsin even remotely care about this story?
So you're saying that hundreds of people are going to show up to Dave and Busters to watch his announcement but that nobody in Wisconsin cares if he chooses UNC? What? So the hundreds of people KNOW that he is going to either UW or MU, which is why they are going to show up there, because otherwise they don't care, right? Your arguments not only make no sense but also contradict themselves.
And I thought this is similar to the LBJ "Decision." How can the newscaster introduce the people to "a kid they never heard of." If he is somebody nobody has ever heard of, are they really going to show up to Dave and Busters and boo and throw popcorn when he chooses UNC? That is very interesting.
If you think this thread is good, read the comments on Rosiak's article. Something else.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 01, 2011, 09:54:57 PM
It IS big news that a local kid is being recruited by UNC....go back through the archives of the MF newspaper and look at the big deal they made each time Roy came to visit....pictures and all....
I have a hard time believing he'd pick UW since he has come out and said he hates slow paced play....the move to another HS comes at the suggestion of Roy......sorry to say it but he's a Heel......
So Wisconsin is a bunch of second rate losers. Buzz and Bo are really running mid-major programs. When the "big boys" like Roy come to that should be covered live on TV? Mind you we never cover Buzz or Bo signings live on TV. Tokoto is ranked 36, not #1.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2011, 12:20:41 AM
So you're saying that hundreds of people are going to show up to Dave and Busters to watch his announcement but that nobody in Wisconsin cares if he chooses UNC? What? So the hundreds of people KNOW that he is going to either UW or MU, which is why they are going to show up there, because otherwise they don't care, right? Your arguments not only make no sense but also contradict themselves.
Please tell me you know the difference between hundreds of MU, UW and MF fans showing up at D&B to get drunk to watch Tokoto announce and something that a larger audience of housewives and retirees might want to watch on live on the local news between dental creme commercials.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 01, 2011, 08:05:38 PMAt this moment Tokoto ranking is not materially different than Maymon, Blue or Wilson.
I agree that his ranking at this moment isn't, but I still think a lot of this has to do with his #4 rating on ESPN a year ago. The hype for Tokoto as a freshman was larger than the hype for any of the other four at any time in their careers. Let's not forget the coaching carousel that followed his games. Williams, Coach K, Self, pretty much all the heavy hitters came out to watch him regularly, not to mention Williams and Ryan. There was never a level of hype for any of those three that there was for Tokoto, and despite the knock in his ratings, he's still attracted more hype as a Wisconsin high school baller than anyone I can remember (I'm too young to remember the Joe Wolf recruitment) and as similar as the rankings may be now, none of the other three were ever regarded as top 5 prospects.
IU
was one the top programs of all time. Not anymore. Don't compare them to UNC or any top-tier program.
IU has not been a top program for 10+ years. Let me know when Kansas, Duke, UNC and Kentucky have a ten year (and counting) drought before you consider IU equal.
At some point a "top program of all time" can become much less than that no matter how many times to call them a top program of all time. IU can be considered a relevant program again at some point, maybe soon with TC's recruiting classes, but you can say that about any basketball program.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Probably more like the other 4 and 5 star guys he'll be playing with in the years after....or perhaps because like UNC, IU is one of the top programs of all-time and he wants to play at one of the top programs of all-time.....perhaps you forgot that part....why yes, you did.
"I have decided to take my talents to Chapel Hill"
Hate the thought of JP bailing out of Wisconsin for NC. He would stand out much more at Marquette or Wisconsin. It's hard to get excited about the announcement after reading that he's decided on NC. Booo!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 01, 2011, 08:41:49 PM
Probably more like the other 4 and 5 star guys he'll be playing with in the years after....or perhaps because like UNC, IU is one of the top programs of all-time and he wants to play at one of the top programs of all-time.....perhaps you forgot that part....why yes, you did.
There you go again.
YOUR definition of what elite players want was as follows: "Elite players want competition, it's what drives them. That's the whole point of going to a Duke, UNC, UCLA, etc...no guaranteed starts, you need to bust your butt every day against someone that is as good or maybe better than you every day in practice."
Cody Zellar had the option of doing what YOU say elite players want to do. Instead, he chose a situation where he's guaranteed a stating spot (as a freshman) and will face nobody in practice to challenge him or make him better.
Conclusion: Either Cody Zellar is not an elite player or your definition of "what elite players want" is an oversimplification which is at times untrue.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 02, 2011, 12:54:26 AM
If you think this thread is good, read the comments on Rosiak's article. Something else.
I like the Chicos impersonators...
Chicos bail bonds - Feb 28, 2011 10:53 PM
This is going to be like Christmas morning!!! Even though it feels like UNC, I've been reading all the twitter reports and analysts' reports. I seriously don't know how I'll be able to get to sleep tonight, much less Wed. night!!!
chicosbailbonds - Mar 01, 2011 1:24 AM
i am a true insider. i have worked in the sports industry for years. jp will not wear red. i tell you that.
Chicos bail bonds - Mar 01, 2011 10:51 AM
I along with my wife and 3 kids and extended family members will be going to Dave and Buster's tonight at Mayfair to join in on the excitement on Thursday. I really hope that D & B gave Mr. Trimble a really nice paycheck for the increase in business they will see this weekend. Although I like MU, I am a full-fledged Badger supporter and like UW a lot better. I really really really hope JPT picks UW, but if it's UNC I will wish him well. I will not let any of my family wear Badger gear to make sure that he feels comfortable with whatever choice he makes :)
Quote from: LancesOtherNut on March 02, 2011, 09:25:43 AM
I like the Chicos impersonators...
Chicos bail bonds - Feb 28, 2011 10:53 PM
This is going to be like Christmas morning!!! Even though it feels like UNC, I've been reading all the twitter reports and analysts' reports. I seriously don't know how I'll be able to get to sleep tonight, much less Wed. night!!!
chicosbailbonds - Mar 01, 2011 1:24 AM
i am a true insider. i have worked in the sports industry for years. jp will not wear red. i tell you that.
Chicos bail bonds - Mar 01, 2011 10:51 AM
I along with my wife and 3 kids and extended family members will be going to Dave and Buster's tonight at Mayfair to join in on the excitement on Thursday. I really hope that D & B gave Mr. Trimble a really nice paycheck for the increase in business they will see this weekend. Although I like MU, I am a full-fledged Badger supporter and like UW a lot better. I really really really hope JPT picks UW, but if it's UNC I will wish him well. I will not let any of my family wear Badger gear to make sure that he feels comfortable with whatever choice he makes :)
Wow, some MU fans have a huge inferiority complex. And it's not just here. The same thing happens on Scout with Murf. People overreact to anything the guy says.
We can finally put this crap to rest. Per Zags Blog:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/03/02/j-p-tokoto-has-decided/
Tokoto has decided his college destination....
But he won't announce it until Thursday night at 10 p.m. CST in an exclusive interview with the local Milwaukee Fox affiliate, WITI-TV, at Dave & Buster's in Wauwatosa, Wisc.
"This is J.P.'s moment so my lips are sealed as tight as can be," Trevor Trimble, Tokoto's father, said Wednesday by phone. "I don't want to take away from his moment."
Trimble moved the press conference from Friday to Thursday to accommodate the TV station
That isn't chico. And as fed up with him as I have been lately, no one, but no one, should be messed with like that. Scoopers, MU alum, if one of you is doing that, do the mature thing and knock it off. Show yourself to have some class.
I suspect that this will be an interesting test of the "UNC Effect"
As of today, Tokoto is ranked 10/40 on Rivals (4 star) and 7/34 on Scout (also 4 star).
Anybody want to make a prediction on whether those numbers go up or down if he chooses UNC (which I think he will)? A 10% increase would make him 9/36 and 6/31. I bet he'll go up even higher than that.
And I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be that high...I haven't seen him play and I don't have an opinion on that. I'm just saying that I'm quite confident that he'll go up in the rankings and my personal opinion is that it'll have more to do with his college selection than his performance.
Quote from: reinko on March 02, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
We can finally put this crap to rest. Per Zags Blog:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/03/02/j-p-tokoto-has-decided/
Tokoto has decided his college destination....
But he won't announce it until Thursday night at 10 p.m. CST in an exclusive interview with the local Milwaukee Fox affiliate, WITI-TV, at Dave & Buster's in Wauwatosa, Wisc.
"This is J.P.'s moment so my lips are sealed as tight as can be," Trevor Trimble, Tokoto's father, said Wednesday by phone. "I don't want to take away from his moment."
Trimble moved the press conference from Friday to Thursday to accommodate the TV station
Thank you ... Every "expert" here assured me I had no idea what I was talking about confidently assured me this would not be broadcast live. Well, as is often the case around here, the "experts" are wrong.
Moving on to the next question, will this announcement be open to anyone that wants to go down and see it live at D&B? If so, I still say Tokoto is risking a PR disaster and could get boo'ed on live TV when he says UNC and Oak Hill (not MU or UW)?
Or does Wisconsin have such an inferiority complex that when he announces UNC and Oak Hill everyone politely claps because it is understood that Wisconsin residents are second class citizens and we're happy this kid can escape this hell? And is Wisconsin so inferior that the 36th best High School kid deserves an announcement he is getting out because the area is incapable of producing anything better, in any sport or any discipline? At least Chicago or Cleveland would only do something like this if the kid was the consensus #1 player in the country and the decision was pros or college. Not Wisconsin, third team AA is good enough for this treatment.
Personally, I think a live announcement like he's planning (UNC and maybe Oak Hill) is tantamount to saying everyone that stays in Wisconsin is a loser. That's why I suggested he would be boo'ed ... unless we all agree that Wisconsin residents are indeed inferior to VA (Oak Hill) and NC (UNC) residents and applaud he is getting out and only wish we could.
Do you realize there is an 8 page thread with you just repeating about 50 times what a PR nightmare this would be if he didn't choose a local school? He's not trying to balance the budget, he's picking a college to play basketball at.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
Or does Wisconsin have such an inferiority complex that when he announces UNC and Oak Hill everyone politely claps because it is understood that Wisconsin residents are second class citizens and we're happy this kid can escape this hell?
Personally, I think a live announcement like he's planning (UNC and maybe Oak Hill) is tantamount to saying everyone that stays in Wisconsin is a loser.
Well, at least you have it in perspective.
I haven't read through this whole thread but if he chooses UNC, I don't think it would be the PR disaster than many posters seem to think. Most of the people at D&B will likely be friends, family and classmates. I know that if a close friend or a member of my family was a highly touted basketball player who was going to play ball at UNC, I'd be thrilled. If I was in HS and a kid in my school/on my team was going to play ball at UNC, I'd be thrilled. I'd like to think that the adult MU/UW fans who go to this event will not boo because they have the mental capacity to understand what a great opportunity it is for a player from a state not known for producing star athletes. Actually, the adults who have no connection to JP but show up at this thing should probably take a good hard look at what's important in their lives anyway.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 02, 2011, 10:06:50 AM
I suspect that this will be an interesting test of the "UNC Effect"
As of today, Tokoto is ranked 10/40 on Rivals (4 star) and 7/34 on Scout (also 4 star).
Anybody want to make a prediction on whether those numbers go up or down if he chooses UNC (which I think he will)? A 10% increase would make him 9/36 and 6/31. I bet he'll go up even higher than that.
And I'm not saying he doesn't deserve to be that high...I haven't seen him play and I don't have an opinion on that. I'm just saying that I'm quite confident that he'll go up in the rankings and my personal opinion is that it'll have more to do with his college selection than his performance.
There is no "UNC effect"...you guys need to get over the inferiority complex, really ity is getting tiresome.
JP's ranking fell because of a poor performance early in the summer and also because unlike other "top" prospects, he was not "playing up" in competition. He then stepped it up and performed like many though he would/should in the recent tournament at MU high school....and recruiting services are watching him more closely to see if really did deserve the early rankings and hype.
IF he goes to a school like Oak Hill with far better competition (even at practice everyday) and performs the way most think he is capable of, his stock will rise again.....it will have ZERO to do with him being a UNC recruit and everything to do with what he shows on the hardwood.
And to the naysayers, he might be ranked #36 but he's # 1 in Wisconsin which is why it is big news.
The negativity and personal attacks on this board is unrivaled on ANY other board that I frequent....
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on March 02, 2011, 11:18:54 AM
I haven't read through this whole thread but if he chooses UNC, I don't think it would be the PR disaster than many posters seem to think. Most of the people at D&B will likely be friends, family and classmates. I know that if a close friend or a member of my family was a highly touted basketball player who was going to play ball at UNC, I'd be thrilled. If I was in HS and a kid in my school/on my team was going to play ball at UNC, I'd be thrilled. I'd like to think that the adult MU/UW fans who go to this event will not boo because they have the mental capacity to understand what a great opportunity it is for a player from a state not known for producing star athletes. Actually, the adults who have no connection to JP but show up at this thing should probably take a good hard look at what's important in their lives anyway.
+`1
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 02, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
And to the naysayers, he might be ranked #36 but he's # 1 in Wisconsin which is why it is big news.
Every year Wisconsin has a #1. I don't recall Vander's live TV announcement last year. I don't recall Maymon's two years ago.
They weren't being recruited by UNC, Duke and Kansas. Having Roy, K and Self at his games WAS big news for Menominee Falls whether you think so or not.....the MF newspaper certainly treated it like it was...
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 02, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
There is no "UNC effect"...you guys need to get over the inferiority complex, really ity is getting tiresome.
Doug Gottlieb disagrees with you .....
McDonald's team selection is flawed
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February 12, 2011
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/blog?name=ncbexperts&id=6115872
Let me start with a question: Are McDonald's All-Americans chosen purely based on their own ability and performance, or are they picked based on whether or not they sign with an A-list school?
I bring this up because the McDonald's selection committee has done it again, churning out several curious selections and even more curious omissions this year. To be blunt, it is a joke. Need further proof? Look at the North Carolina Tar Heels. How is it possible that Roy Williams could coach a team loaded with seven Mickey D's All-Americans last season and still not make the NCAA tournament? He'd have to be the worst coach of all time to underproduce with a squad that was truly that talented, but Williams' two national titles and career winning percentage of .800 suggest that the man knows how to coach.
It is in this way that the McDonald's selection is flawed. Too often the emphasis on the ranking and voting in of players is based strongly on where they signed, how well-known they are and how high a profile their AAU team had. The game, the most prestigious in the land, is supposed to represent the top 25 players in the country, or at least come as close as possible.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 11:32:04 AM
Every year Wisconsin has a #1. I don't recall Vander's live TV announcement last year. I don't recall Maymon's two years ago.
You mean Gasser or Bray last year?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 02, 2011, 11:39:40 AM
You mean Gasser or Bray last year?
Don't remember their live announcements either.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 02, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
There is no "UNC effect"...you guys need to get over the inferiority complex, really ity is getting tiresome.
You're right. Neil Fingleton and Matt Wenstrom totally deserved McDonald's AA honors.
QuoteThe negativity and personal attacks on this board is unrivaled on ANY other board that I frequent....
Says the guy who declared that his fellow posters have a tiresome inferiority complex.
Thanks for laying off the negative personal attacks and raising the positivity around here.
Quote from: texaswarrior74 on March 02, 2011, 11:29:46 AM
There is no "UNC effect"...you guys need to get over the inferiority complex, really ity is getting tiresome.
JP's ranking fell because of a poor performance early in the summer and also because unlike other "top" prospects, he was not "playing up" in competition. He then stepped it up and performed like many though he would/should in the recent tournament at MU high school....and recruiting services are watching him more closely to see if really did deserve the early rankings and hype.
IF he goes to a school like Oak Hill with far better competition (even at practice everyday) and performs the way most think he is capable of, his stock will rise again.....it will have ZERO to do with him being a UNC recruit and everything to do with what he shows on the hardwood.
And to the naysayers, he might be ranked #36 but he's # 1 in Wisconsin which is why it is big news.
The negativity and personal attacks on this board is unrivaled on ANY other board that I frequent....
I'm hardly the first person to suggest that rankings are affected by where a kid signs. And many people who have hypothesized about this are not posters on this board. There was nothing at all negative about my post, and I don't think it even remotely suggests an inferiority complex. And I agree with you that I would expect Tokoto's stock to rise if he goes to a school with more exposure and better competition. But if you think my point was solely about Tokoto, you missed my point.
And see how I did that without any personal attack or negativity. I know how strongly you feel about those things...
Anyone want to go to Dave and Busters? I could go for some Thursday night gaming
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 10:34:14 AM
Moving on to the next question, will this announcement be open to anyone that wants to go down and see it live at D&B? If so, I still say Tokoto is risking a PR disaster and could get boo'ed on live TV when he says UNC and Oak Hill (not MU or UW)?
Or does Wisconsin have such an inferiority complex that when he announces UNC and Oak Hill everyone politely claps because it is understood that Wisconsin residents are second class citizens and we're happy this kid can escape this hell? And is Wisconsin so inferior that the 36th best High School kid deserves an announcement he is getting out because the area is incapable of producing anything better, in any sport or any discipline? At least Chicago or Cleveland would only do something like this if the kid was the consensus #1 player in the country and the decision was pros or college. Not Wisconsin, third team AA is good enough for this treatment.
Personally, I think a live announcement like he's planning (UNC and maybe Oak Hill) is tantamount to saying everyone that stays in Wisconsin is a loser. That's why I suggested he would be boo'ed ... unless we all agree that Wisconsin residents are indeed inferior to VA (Oak Hill) and NC (UNC) residents and applaud he is getting out and only wish we could.
84, you are a fool. First of all, you think fans will boo him for choosing UNC but not for choosing UW or MU? So say he comes out and picks UW...MU fans will applaud because he didn't choose UNC but instead chose the rival that they will play against every year? Really? That makes sense... Or UW fans will clap for him to choose MU but boo if it's UNC? OK. If you HONESTLY think that people are going to line up to get in to see a kid who almost nobody in Milwaukee knows make a decision on his college choice, then there is going to be booing no matter what school he chooses. There is no doubt that there would be more booing for choosing UW or MU than if he chooses UNC.
And how is the kid saying he is too good for Wisconsin by leaving the state for college? Where were you originally from? Where did you go to college? Have you lived in the same city your whole life? If not, you must be too damn good for that city you were raised in. You don't know anybody from Chicago who came to Marquette? Those kids must be too good for Chicago, hey? The kid is making a COLLEGE CHOICE. It's really not that hard to understand...YOU ARE BLOWING THIS COMPLETELY OUT OF PROPORTION!
This is a big deal because for a LONG time he was a consensus top 5 recruit in the entire nation. As a result he began getting a lot of local publicity. He had newspaper articles written about him. He had Hall of Fame coaches flying into Menomonee Falls to watch a crappy high school team's OPEN GYM over the summer going into his SOPHOMORE YEAR of high school (Roy Williams). He was, and still IS, a very BIG TIME recruit that Menomonee Falls fans, Marquette fans, and Wisconsin fans all have followed. They want to know what his college decision is because they have read articles about him and gone to watch him play since he had so much hype. The local news broadcasts are bringing us this decision. Did Vander Blue, Jeronne Maymon, TJ Bray, etc. have Bill Self, Coach K, Roy Williams? Nope. Were they as hyped up and highly touted as JP Tokoto? Nope. Were they ever considered a top 5 recruit in the entire nation for any period of time by any recruiting service? Nope. This is NOT the same situation that those players were in. How hard is it to understand that?
He is shunning nobody by choosing to go to UNC. He was never a part of the MU or UW programs, he never committed to be a part of either of those programs. He owes absolutely nothing to any of those programs or any of us fans. He is going to go to Dave and Busters and have a fun night with family and friends and make an announcement about where he will be attending college. I didn't know it wasn't allowed to leave your state to go to college...otherwise you're way above whatever state you are from. Un-fracking-believable. Get a clue.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
84, you are a fool. First of all, you think fans will boo him for choosing UNC but not for choosing UW or MU? So say he comes out and picks UW...MU fans will applaud because he didn't choose UNC but instead chose the rival that they will play against every year? Really? That makes sense... Or UW fans will clap for him to choose MU but boo if it's UNC? OK. If you HONESTLY think that people are going to line up to get in to see a kid who almost nobody in Milwaukee knows make a decision on his college choice, then there is going to be booing no matter what school he chooses. There is no doubt that there would be more booing for choosing UW or MU than if he chooses UNC.
And how is the kid saying he is too good for Wisconsin by leaving the state for college? Where were you originally from? Where did you go to college? Have you lived in the same city your whole life? If not, you must be too damn good for that city you were raised in. You don't know anybody from Chicago who came to Marquette? Those kids must be too good for Chicago, hey? The kid is making a COLLEGE CHOICE. It's really not that hard to understand...YOU ARE BLOWING THIS COMPLETELY OUT OF PROPORTION!
This is a big deal because for a LONG time he was a consensus top 5 recruit in the entire nation. As a result he began getting a lot of local publicity. He had newspaper articles written about him. He had Hall of Fame coaches flying into Menomonee Falls to watch a crappy high school team's OPEN GYM over the summer going into his SOPHOMORE YEAR of high school (Roy Williams). He was, and still IS, a very BIG TIME recruit that Menomonee Falls fans, Marquette fans, and Wisconsin fans all have followed. They want to know what his college decision is because they have read articles about him and gone to watch him play since he had so much hype. The local news broadcasts are bringing us this decision. Did Vander Blue, Jeronne Maymon, TJ Bray, etc. have Bill Self, Coach K, Roy Williams? Nope. Were they as hyped up and highly touted as JP Tokoto? Nope. Were they ever considered a top 5 recruit in the entire nation for any period of time by any recruiting service? Nope. This is NOT the same situation that those players were in. How hard is it to understand that?
He is shunning nobody by choosing to go to UNC. He was never a part of the MU or UW programs, he never committed to be a part of either of those programs. He owes absolutely nothing to any of those programs or any of us fans. He is going to go to Dave and Busters and have a fun night with family and friends and make an announcement about where he will be attending college. I didn't know it wasn't allowed to leave your state to go to college...otherwise you're way above whatever state you are from. Un-fracking-believable. Get a clue.
Perfectly said.
Quote from: reinko on March 02, 2011, 10:00:37 AM
But he won't announce it until Thursday night at 10 p.m. CST in an exclusive interview with the local Milwaukee Fox affiliate, WITI-TV, at Dave & Buster's in Wauwatosa, Wisc.
Wait, this is all for Ch. 6? Is Jen Lada doing the interview? That could help our chances.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
84, you are a fool.
This is a big deal because for a LONG time he was a consensus top 5 recruit in the entire nation. As a result he began getting a lot of local publicity. He had newspaper articles written about him. He had Hall of Fame coaches flying into Menomonee Falls to watch a crappy high school team's OPEN GYM over the summer going into his SOPHOMORE YEAR of high school (Roy Williams). He was, and still IS, a very BIG TIME recruit that Menomonee Falls fans, Marquette fans, and Wisconsin fans all have followed. They want to know what his college decision is because they have read articles about him and gone to watch him play since he had so much hype. The local news broadcasts are bringing us this decision. Did Vander Blue, Jeronne Maymon, TJ Bray, etc. have Bill Self, Coach K, Roy Williams? Nope. Were they as hyped up and highly touted as JP Tokoto? Nope. Were they ever considered a top 5 recruit in the entire nation for any period of time by any recruiting service? Nope. This is NOT the same situation that those players were in. How hard is it to understand that?
First part ... probably
Larger passage above and include Lenny, Texas warrior, Mustache et. al ... you're all saying that UW/Bo, and MU/Buzz are indeed second class rate. The great and powerful Roy Williams came a calling and yes we are suppose to go down on bended knee for him. Bo and Buzz going to MF is no big deal because those coaches of loser second rate programs up in the snow belt where only second rate people live. Read what you wrote again!
Jamil Wilson was top 10 his sophomore year and Izzo was spotted in Racine several times. He did not have a live TV announcement. Is that because Izzo is another loser like Bo and Buzz?
I had no idea the inferiority complex among Wisconsin residents was this bad. If you want to applaud a kid ranked the slightly better than Vander for escaping the crap hole known as Wisconsin, that's your choice. I somehow thought people around here had more self-respect and expected more than trying to be second rate. I find this entire broadcast insulting. Why does Wisconsin need a live broadcast of a kid to remind them they are second class?
Maybe I still tainted by watching football recruiting. You have any idea how serious it is in the south? If a Alabama kid ranked as high as Tokoto or (Vander) even attempted a live broadcast to announce he was going to, say Miami, the state police would need a Brinks truck to get him out alive. But hey, I guess they believe they are first rate and expect the best, we don't.
I hope not everyone shares you inferiority complex and likes to applaud people that say their losers for handing around here.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
First part ... probably
Larger passage above and include Lenny, Texas warrior, Mustache et. al ... you're all saying that UW/Bo, and MU/Buzz are indeed second class rate. The great and powerful Roy Williams came a calling and yes we are suppose to go down on bended knee for him. Bo and Buzz going to MF is no big deal because those coaches of loser second rate programs up in the snow belt where only second rate people live. Read what you wrote again!
Jamil Wilson was top 10 his sophomore year and Izzo was spotted in Racine several times. He did not have a live TV announcement. Is that because Izzo is another loser like Bo and Buzz?
I had no idea the inferiority complex among Wisconsin residents was this bad. If you want to applaud a kid ranked the slightly better than Vander for escaping the crap hole known as Wisconsin, that's your choice. I somehow thought people around here had more self-respect and expected more than trying to be second rate. I find this entire broadcast insulting. Why does Wisconsin need a live broadcast of a kid to remind them they are second class?
Maybe I still tainted by watching football recruiting. You have any idea how serious it is in the south? If a Alabama kid ranked as high as Tokoto or (Vander) even attempted a live broadcast to announce he was going to, say Miami, the state police would need a Brinks truck to get him out alive. But hey, I guess they believe they are first rate and expect the best, we don't.
I hope not everyone shares you inferiority complex and likes to applaud people that say their losers for handing around here.
LOL. Please read my post above for my response. You are absolutely foolish.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 02, 2011, 02:30:20 PM
Where were you originally from? Where did you go to college?
Get a clue.
First I'm not absolutely foolish, I'm completely foolish. Big difference!
Second, why don't you read that passage above and think really hard about it ... I'll bet you'll figure it out without even a hint from me.
Third, AND MOST IMPORTANT (since you like CAPS) ... I'm criticizing the live TV event, not Tokoto. I'm criticizing channel 6 for deciding to spend money to cover it live.
I don't understand why anyone outside of college basketball fans give a rip about this story. And, the college basketball fans that give a rip are largely MU and UW fans. Why do they want to watch a story about a kid going to UNC?
Why is this news? Why does my Mother-in-law in Racine care in the slightest? Why is Fox wasting its resources?
Your answer says, because we are inferior and we like heart-warming stories about people that escape this crap hole known as Wisconsin and secretly wish we could get as far away from here as well.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 02, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
First I'm not absolutely foolish, I'm completely foolish. Big difference!
I don't understand why anyone outside of college basketball fans give a rip about this story. And, the college basketball fans that give a rip are largely MU and UW fans. Why do they want to watch a story about a kid going to UNC?
Why is this news? Why does my Mother-in-law in Racine care in the slightest? Why is Fox wasting its resources?
Your answer says, because we are inferior and we like heart-warming stories about people that escape this crap hole known as Wisconsin and secretly wish we could get as far away from here as well.
Well at least you'll admit to that.
Why does anyone give a rip about the story? Because this is a local kid who has been highly touted since his freshman year of high school as one of the best basketball players at his age in the entire country. People have seen him and heard about him for the past two years and want to know where he will go to play college basketball. Is it that hard to understand? People want to know what the local star is going to do.
This has nothing to do with how our state is and it is ridiculous to suggest that it does. The kid is CHOOSING A COLLEGE. The kid is not choosing a state that gets kicked out of the United States of America here. The sun will still shine on Wisconsin someday if he chooses UNC, or on North Carolina if he chooses MU/UW. He is choosing a basketball program to play for, not a state. And he is choosing
the best basketball program in the country. Does that mean that MU/UW are bad programs? Or that Buzz/Bo/Izzo are bad coaches? NO! I don't know where you get this idea from. It means that Roy Williams and North Carolina form the best college basketball in the United States of America, and not many basketball players from the state of Wisconsin have the opportunity to go there, so when one does it is
BIG news. Again, what is hard to understand about this?
Ask yourself these simple questions and maybe it'll help you understand 1 or 2 things that you clearly don't:
- Did I ever say that the state of Wisconsin sucks?
- Is the kid selecting a college to attend?
- Are kids allowed to leave the state that they live in to attend college?
- Did I ever say Buzz Williams, Bo Ryan, or Tom Izzo were bad coaches?
- Did I ever say MU or UW were bad programs?
I will leave these questions up to you to decide the answers to and step back from this debate if you can't figure them out for yourself. Pretty simple, pretty self explanatory.
AnotherMU84,
Ask yourself this: Did Juan Anderson make a statement about the entire state of California by choosing to attend MU over Cal? No, he thought Marquette was the best fit for him. Picking a college out of state says nothing about the state you were raised in.
Not sure if anyone posted this .. the 10pm announcement will be streamed here:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/jp-tokoto-college-announcement
Quote from: Jamailman on March 02, 2011, 07:03:04 PM
AnotherMU84,
Ask yourself this: Did Juan Anderson make a statement about the entire state of California by choosing to attend MU over Cal? No, he thought Marquette was the best fit for him. Picking a college out of state says nothing about the state you were raised in.
Ring a ding ding. Absolutely.
Can Tokoto even get into D&B after 9pm? I remember that place carded harder than any other establishment.
Wades world... you are very windy... too long worded. The point is that Tokoto has a right to play for who ever he wants. However, it is a kick in the blank to his high school and to Marquette and UW and the state of Wisconsin for losing a very talented player. It is very disappointing. Fortunately, Buzz and Bo are great coaches who recruit extremely well. JP could have helped either Marquette orU W. Both schools will do well without him. JP could have been a huge hero for either team. For NC he is one of many!
The good thing about him not picking Marquette is I get to watch my brother's team Waukesha South end his high school basketball career in Wisconsin on Saturday. Little bit of revenge and it will feel good to cheer against him, but obviously he made the right choice for him and I'm sure he will be very successful at unc he is very VERY talented.
I will poop my pants if he actually picked Marquette...that's how surprised I would be.
I think your pants are safe.
Quote from: MUDish on March 03, 2011, 07:37:58 PM
Can Tokoto even get into D&B after 9pm? I remember that place carded harder than any other establishment.
I thought this too.
Quote from: MUDish on March 03, 2011, 07:37:58 PM
Can Tokoto even get into D&B after 9pm? I remember that place carded harder than any other establishment.
My guess is they're in a private room where no alochol is being seved and therefore it doesn't really matter.
Looks like North Carolina it is
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/117323978.html
QuoteJ.P. Tokoto will wear Carolina blue.
Multiple sources confirmed tonight that Tokoto, a junior at Menomonee Falls, will play collegiately at the University of North Carolina.
Tokoto is holding a 10 p.m. press conference to make his decision official.
The 6-foot-7 Tokoto is one of the most highly recruited players in state history. And just like Kohler's Joe Wolf 29 years ago, Tokoto will take his talents to Chapel Hill, N.C.
Tokoto recently narrowed his list of eight schools to UNC, Connecticut, Kansas, Kentucky, Marquette, Maryland, UCLA and Wisconsin.
North Carolina coach Roy Williams has made Tokoto a priority, though. And the extremely athletic Tokoto should be a natural fit in the Tar Heels' up-tempo attack.
"I think Tokoto has a chance to be a heck of a college basketball player," Evan Daniels of scout.com said. "His athletic ability is superior to most in the (2012) class and he's spent a lot of time working to improve his jump shot and ball handling."
Quote from: Skitch on March 03, 2011, 09:15:29 PM
Looks like North Carolina it is
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/preps/117323978.html
Good for him. I wish him the best!
Also wish JP the best. Hopefully he'll find plenty of success at UNC, and if things don't work out, well, he can always come back home :D
Seriously, though, it's a great move for the kid. He's certainly earned it.
I predict a grand total of zero boos and zero fistfulls of popcorn thrown.
Hope you're watching this, 84. Not a single boo out there. A TON of cheering for him. A lot of excitement. Absolutely foolish to think anything else would have happened. And absolutely how it should be.
Congratulations to JP. Make the state of Wisconsin proud down there in North Carolina.
He's going to be a stud for them.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 03, 2011, 10:18:25 PM
Hope you're watching this, 84. Not a single boo out there. A TON of cheering for him. A lot of excitement. Absolutely foolish to think anything else would have happened. And absolutely how it should be.
Congratulations to JP. Make the state of Wisconsin proud down there in North Carolina.
He's going to be a stud for them.
+1
Good for the kid. He made the right decision. Hoping he transfers to MU is an odd approach as well. We have a fine program, one of the top 40 in the nation. Some years, top 25....but we are not UNC.
If anybody here wishes he fails because he didn't pick MU; you're stupid.
Quote from: Warriors10 on March 03, 2011, 10:23:34 PMIf anybody here wishes he fails because he didn't pick MU; you're stupid.
Did I miss someone saying that, or have you just been reading the Badger Scout board and expected he'd get the same treatment from us?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 03, 2011, 10:18:25 PM
Hope you're watching this, 84. Not a single boo out there. A TON of cheering for him. A lot of excitement. Absolutely foolish to think anything else would have happened. And absolutely how it should be.
Congratulations to JP. Make the state of Wisconsin proud down there in North Carolina.
He's going to be a stud for them.
I was held in a banquet room in front of 200 hand-picked friends. I said if it was held as a "public event" that he risked a PR disaster. He was smart enough not to do that.
If you want to see the public disaster I was talking about, go read what the badger boards are saying about him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on March 03, 2011, 10:22:35 PM
Good for the kid. He made the right decision. Hoping he transfers to MU is an odd approach as well. We have a fine program, one of the top 40 in the nation. Some years, top 25....but we are not UNC.
Not so odd, 40% of Freshman Transfer. Many of the biggest recruits from Wisc. have transferred ... Maymon, Wilson, Phillips, Luscious, Lacy etc.
I give him a 40% chance of transferring ... I give all recruits a 40% chance of transferring.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 04, 2011, 05:42:07 AM
If you want to see the public disaster I was talking about, go read what the badger boards are saying about him.
I think aside from JP picking UW, there was no way the Badger fans weren't going to crap all over this kid no matter how he handled it. They just don't understand there are many places better than UW.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on March 04, 2011, 05:42:07 AM
I was held in a banquet room in front of 200 hand-picked friends.
As I and others told you it would be.
I'm happy for the kid. I think he made a good choice, but these college choice announcement events are so stupid. Nobody cares. I had an interest in it as an MU fan and I didn't care (perhaps because I knew he wasn't picking MU). Nobody in NC saw it live. If you are one of the 90% of the people watching that newscast who has never heard of the kid, you have to be sitting there saying, WTF is this?
Quote from: NavinRJohnson on March 04, 2011, 08:15:36 AM
As I and others told you it would be.
I doubted this because at $10/head, who shelled out the $2000+ to do this? I did not think Tokoto's family wanted a bill like this. So, I thought it would be open to attract customers and in return D&B would not charge for it.
Quote from: Goose on March 01, 2011, 08:48:15 AM
Firstly, I am and my boys will be there. I stated in earlier post that I heard from reliable source that J.P. was MU bound. Again, my source is not super inside the program, but someone I trust a great deal.
Goose, what happened with this reliable source?
In Sports Commentary
Friday Scorecard: An unnecessary circus
http://www.onmilwaukee.com/sports/articles/scorecard030411.html
Published March 4, 2011 at 1:09 p.m.
By Andrew Wagner
Senior Staff Writer
A packed banquet room watches as J.P. Tokoto announces his decision to play at North Carolina.
Jim Gray was nowhere to be found but there was just as much of a circus atmosphere Thursday night when Menomonee Falls High School junior J.P. Tokoto announced his decision to play college basketball at the University of North Carolina.
It was a low-budget version of LeBron James' infamous "Decision," complete with a live, "exclusive," television broadcast but was just as absurd and even more inappropriate, considering Tokoto is 17 years old.
Forget for a second that Tokoto chose North Carolina over Wisconsin and Marquette, that's completely beside the point. Who wouldn't want the chance to play for the Tar Heels? But aside from all of the frenzy, the biggest nagging question is this: why in the world was a 17-year-old holding such a major announcement at 10:15 p.m., on a school night in a bar/restaurant?
His teammates and classmates were still milling about as the clock approached 11 p.m. while Tokoto remained in the banquet room taking questions, along with his family. How many of those kids were in their seats the next morning when the bell rang to mark the start of first period?
Yes, it was a big day in the young man's life and something he will remember forever -- he deserves to enjoy it. But the way it was staged was over the top and a little absurd. Tokoto should have been standing with his teammates, coaches, classmates in the Menomonee Falls High School gym, not in the banquet room of a Wauwatosa bar.
So essentially the author was upset that high school kids were out late on a school night? C'mon... My son, who played high school basketball, was regularly coming home at 11:00 after long road trips, and then had a couple hours of homework to finish up.
And this guy gets mad because they get to experience the once in a lifetime opportunity of their teammate announcing that he's signing with North Carolina???
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 04, 2011, 04:17:14 PM
So essentially the author was upset that high school kids were out late on a school night? C'mon... My son, who played high school basketball, was regularly coming home at 11:00 after long road trips, and then had a couple hours of homework to finish up.
And this guy gets mad because they get to experience the once in a lifetime opportunity of their teammate announcing that he's signing with North Carolina???
Plus I'm almost positive I read somewhere they didn't have school today. Regardless, that article was ridiculous.
That guy must be an upset Badger fan who was munching on some sour grapes as he wrote that article.
Quote from: Jamailman on March 04, 2011, 04:21:10 PM
Plus I'm almost positive I read somewhere they didn't have school today.
Just looked it up. They did not have school today. But my guess is that they would have been in bed at 10:00 anyway. ;-)
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 04, 2011, 04:30:32 PM
Just looked it up. They did not have school today. But my guess is that they would have been in bed at 10:00 anyway. ;-)
Andrew Wagner say hello to egg on your face.