If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably a Badger basketball player. Fits the characteristics to a tee.
http://iowa.scout.com/a.z?s=8&p=2&c=980559&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fiowa.scout.com%2f2%2f980559.html
(http://jefferson.squarespace.com/storage/teams/varsityplayers/uthoff.JPG?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1263501885434)
Is it me or does this kid look like Diener?????
According to Scout Bo just beat out TC and Illinois for this one?
Quote from: nyg on July 19, 2010, 07:44:57 PM
Is it me or does this kid look like Diener?????
Travis is much better looking :D
....and the crowd goes mild......
Let me guess: 6'3'', can shoot the ball, has trouble creating own shot, can pass effectively, will thrive in the Swing because he's versatile, and has no problem laying a towel on his left shoulder?
Seems like they have the future locked down.
Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on July 19, 2010, 09:07:35 PM
Let me guess: 6'3'', can shoot the ball, has trouble creating own shot, can pass effectively, will thrive in the Swing because he's versatile, and has no problem laying a towel on his left shoulder?
Seems like they have the future locked down.
Correct. It begs the question, can Bo recruit over a player when he only recruits one type of player?
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward who has been compared to Gordan Heyward, Kyle Singler, Robbie Hummell, and Jon Leuer. A kid who has been named MVP of at least three spring AAU tourneys, including the first of the NYtoLA tourneys in Mequon. This kid is blowing up right now. Very impressive player who hasn't been evaluated yet on a national level!
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward who has been compared to Gordan Heyward, Kyle Singler, Robbie Hummell, and Jon Leuer.
Did you intentionally select four white guys?
Regardless, I think he'll look great when Jamil posterizes him in a couple of years.
but if he has been compared to players from different universities around the country, isnt that the "national level"? ;-)
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward
Explains why TC didn't land him.
Good for the Badgers, as long as MU ends up with the W.
For those of you who can't get the link to load (like me), the kids name is Jarrod Uthoff. He's from Cedar Rapids, IA, and is a 6'8" 200lb PF.
Badger fans must be flooding the internet.
It must have been a surprise to the other schools because according to this article:
"One of the top high school basketball players in the state of Iowa's 2011 recruiting class will make his collegiate choice today.
Cedar Rapids Kennedy senior-to-be Jarrod Uthoff is a 6-foot-8, 200-pound power forward. He recently improved his stock this summer during AAU competition.
Uthoff will today most likely choose between Iowa or Iowa State but Butler, Illinois, Indiana, Creighton and Northern Iowa are all still in play for Uthoff's services. It widely expected around the state that the Hawks and Fran McCaffery are the favorites to land the all-stater."
http://www.examiner.com/x-3489-Iowa-High-School-Sports-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Cedar-Rapids-Kennedy-star-Jarrod-Uthoff-to-make-college-choice-today
Amazing. Bo with the "steal"...
But I wonder: How did he announce his "decision"?
Looks "like" Diener but sounds like Napoleon Dynamite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sYx6yYPo_A
6'8" dominates...on smaller opponents. This vid is really deceiving. But the kid's got freakishly log arms. I wouldn't be surprised he grew some in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFhc2y75ew
probably a more accurate vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC34wY-m8X0
NOW compare that to our own 6'7" F ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3iS0ijj8s
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 19, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
It must have been a surprise to the other schools because according to this article:
"One of the top high school basketball players in the state of Iowa's 2011 recruiting class will make his collegiate choice today.
Cedar Rapids Kennedy senior-to-be Jarrod Uthoff is a 6-foot-8, 200-pound power forward. He recently improved his stock this summer during AAU competition.
Uthoff will today most likely choose between Iowa or Iowa State but Butler, Illinois, Indiana, Creighton and Northern Iowa are all still in play for Uthoff's services. It widely expected around the state that the Hawks and Fran McCaffery are the favorites to land the all-stater."
http://www.examiner.com/x-3489-Iowa-High-School-Sports-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Cedar-Rapids-Kennedy-star-Jarrod-Uthoff-to-make-college-choice-today
Amazing. Bo with the "steal"...
But I wonder: How did he announce his "decision"?
Looks "like" Diener but sounds like Napoleon Dynamite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sYx6yYPo_A
6'8" dominates...on smaller opponents. This vid is really deceiving. But the kid's got freakishly log arms. I wouldn't be surprised he grew some in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFhc2y75ew
probably a more accurate vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC34wY-m8X0
NOW compare that to our own 6'7" F ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3iS0ijj8s
He announced it when he was leaving for a tournament to Las Vegas. The guy who wrote that article(It's from examiner so using that as a legit source is a joke) obviously wasn't up to date on Uthoff's recruitment because his final 6 were Wisconsin, Butler, Iowa, Iowa State, Illinois, and Notre Dame. He hasn't been evaluated yet by Rivals, but my guess it when it's all said and done he'll probably be a top 150 player.
Probably a great kid to represent Wisconsin. Class President and 4.0 GPA.
Where's his hood? Or do they give that to him once he gets to Madison?
Good Lord you guys are ridiculous, seems like a good pickup for Wisco...
We can say this, I don't think UW and MU have targeted a more different type of player since I've been alive.
Not much competition between the two schools for players which I guess is a positive.
Bo coaches em up that's for sure though. He's a team defense guru.
Unlike some, I want Wisc to be good, which will make us beating them that much better. Having one of your top Rivals not be good (Depaul) is not good for MU.
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward who has been compared to Gordan Heyward, Kyle Singler, Robbie Hummell, and Jon Leuer. A kid who has been named MVP of at least three spring AAU tourneys, including the first of the NYtoLA tourneys in Mequon. This kid is blowing up right now. Very impressive player who hasn't been evaluated yet on a national level!
Who has compared him to those players or did you just overhear a conversation in a bar?
Quote from: windyplayer on July 20, 2010, 08:23:54 AM
Who has compared him to those players or did you just overhear a conversation in a bar?
I read on their board that his own coach said it.
Quote from: windyplayer on July 20, 2010, 08:23:54 AM
Who has compared him to those players or did you just overhear a conversation in a bar?
Actually some people who commented on his YouTube video said as much. Kid looks like he can pass, but his "highlight" video didn't show me a whole lot else. Will need a lot of work in the strength area to be a player at Wisconsin.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on July 19, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
It must have been a surprise to the other schools because according to this article:
"One of the top high school basketball players in the state of Iowa's 2011 recruiting class will make his collegiate choice today.
Cedar Rapids Kennedy senior-to-be Jarrod Uthoff is a 6-foot-8, 200-pound power forward. He recently improved his stock this summer during AAU competition.
Uthoff will today most likely choose between Iowa or Iowa State but Butler, Illinois, Indiana, Creighton and Northern Iowa are all still in play for Uthoff's services. It widely expected around the state that the Hawks and Fran McCaffery are the favorites to land the all-stater."
http://www.examiner.com/x-3489-Iowa-High-School-Sports-Examiner~y2010m7d19-Cedar-Rapids-Kennedy-star-Jarrod-Uthoff-to-make-college-choice-today
Amazing. Bo with the "steal"...
But I wonder: How did he announce his "decision"?
Looks "like" Diener but sounds like Napoleon Dynamite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sYx6yYPo_A
6'8" dominates...on smaller opponents. This vid is really deceiving. But the kid's got freakishly log arms. I wouldn't be surprised he grew some in college:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQFhc2y75ew
probably a more accurate vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC34wY-m8X0
NOW compare that to our own 6'7" F ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve3iS0ijj8s
Looks like a decent player who will fit in well for Bo. However, based entirely on those short videos, it looks to me as if smaller D1 players will have little trouble guarding him, and bigger athletic players will make it difficult for him to stay on the floor. Will probably be a typical , nothing special, solid contributor at UW. Nothing wrong with that.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 20, 2010, 08:33:11 AM
I read on their board that his own coach said it.
We all know how valuable the opinions of these coaches have been around here. We could probably take on the Heat if the collective opinions of high school/AAU/JUCO coaches were a reality.
Yes, he looks like a fundamentally sound pick up for Bo. He should fit into his system quite well. And kudos to Bo for finding players to play his system and winning with it. And since this kid was not on our radar, it means next to nothing to us, other than the first week of December.
Quote from: tower912 on July 20, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
Yes, he looks like a fundamentally sound pick up for Bo. He should fit into his system quite well. And kudos to Bo for finding players to play his system and winning with it. And since this kid was not on our radar, it means next to nothing to us, other than the first week of December.
+1
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward who has been compared to Gordan Heyward, Kyle Singler, Robbie Hummell, and Jon Leuer. A kid who has been named MVP of at least three spring AAU tourneys, including the first of the NYtoLA tourneys in Mequon. This kid is blowing up right now. Very impressive player who hasn't been evaluated yet on a national level!
We're still laughing at your comments on the Badger board that Marquette cheats. Care to provide some proof of that...thanks....8 NCAA probations for Wisconsin-Madison...ZERO for Marquette
No need to disparage the kid but as others have pointed out MU and Wisc are looking for completely different types of players because the styles are completely different. That is a good thing. It means that on in-state players it should be pretty clear which school is suited for you and there shouldn't be much overlap. To me it means Vander made the right choice. Wisc values height and catch and shoot while MU values speed and athletic ability. The things that make Vander great are more valued at MU. On the other hand this kid (while he may turn out to contribute a lot to Wisc) would not be as valued at MU.
I like our brand of basketball better because I'm an MU fan. If I were a Wisc fan I'd probably like their brand better. I'm just glad to be in a position where we don't covet their recruits because we feel ours are better for our system.
I should clarify that I posted this more in amusement that their team is just amazingly cookie cutter in appearance. That said, the kid looks good. I know he's "only" 3 star recruit, but 4 or 5 Big Ten schools had offered, along with a Big 12 school, etc. I think Bo will slot him in nicely to his system.
He'll do well on the Wally Cleever Basketball Team.
and now we won't hear much from this kid again until he re-emerges from UW's bench in Dec. 2014 as a redshirt Jr. to finally make a contribution on the court.
Quote from: tower912 on July 20, 2010, 08:45:34 AM
Yes, he looks like a fundamentally sound pick up for Bo. He should fit into his system quite well. And kudos to Bo for finding players to play his system and winning with it. And since this kid was not on our radar, it means next to nothing to us, other than the first week of December.
I much rather have UW sign a player that is not on our radar. However, there are only three reasons he was not on our radar.
1. Buzz felt he did not fit our style.
2. Buzz never saw him play and therefore did not recruit him.
3. Buzz saw him play, liked him, but he had no interest in MU so there was no reason for Buzz to recruit him.
Quote from: bilsu on July 20, 2010, 01:25:17 PM
I much rather have UW sign a player that is not on our radar. However, there are only three reasons he was not on our radar.
1. Buzz felt he did not fit our style.
2. Buzz never saw him play and therefore did not recruit him.
3. Buzz saw him play, liked him, but he had no interest in MU so there was no reason for Buzz to recruit him.
+1
Quote from: Ners on July 20, 2010, 08:38:33 AM
Actually some people who commented on his YouTube video said as much. Kid looks like he can pass, but his "highlight" video didn't show me a whole lot else. Will need a lot of work in the strength area to be a player at Wisconsin.
His AAU coach has been making those comparisons as well.
Quote from: whodem on July 20, 2010, 01:48:51 PM
His AAU coach has been making those comparisons as well.
This sounds to me like a, "but my mom says I'm cool," statement. HS and AAU Coaches always blow smoke about their players. Sometimes they're right (and maybe they are about this kid) but the always unreliable recruiting ranking services are more reliable than a kid's coaches.
Nothing against this kid. I wish the best for him (except during December the next few years).
Uthoff is as much Kyle Singler (Top 10 recruit) as Joe Fulce is Shawn Marion.
That being said, looks to be a solid to possibly very good recruit for them who wants to play for Bo. Should work out nicely for both.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 20, 2010, 01:53:52 PM
This sounds to me like a, "but my mom says I'm cool," statement. HS and AAU Coaches always blow smoke about their players. Sometimes they're right (and maybe they are about this kid) but the always unreliable recruiting ranking services are more reliable than a kid's coaches.
Nothing against this kid. I wish the best for him (except during December the next few years).
I agree with you regarding HS and AAU coaches. Uthoff hasn't been evaluated yet by a few of the recruiting services, so it'll be interesting to see where he ranks.
His name only came up one time on this board prior to yesterday... in a Kevin Noreen thread...
April 27 I said, "Kyle is a lot smaller and not as talented as Kevin... fun games this weekend in the Twin Cities though.. his Minnesota Pump N Run team lost in double OT to the Iowa Barnstormers in a 17U championship game (Jarrod Uthoff!). Kyle is a nice player, but not at the same level as Kevin."
I dislike Wisconsin, but this is a good guy for them. Not a guy that I would get excited about if he was coming to Marquette, but he should fit and do well in Madison. I've had a chance to see him a couple of times in person this spring and he can be a quality player for them.
AAU teammates of Uthoff... Seth Tuttle committed to Northern Iowa several weeks ago... and 6'5" guard Josh Oglesby is uncommitted.. plenty of high major interest.
Quote from: bilsu on July 20, 2010, 01:25:17 PM
I much rather have UW sign a player that is not on our radar. However, there are only three reasons he was not on our radar.
1. Buzz felt he did not fit our style.
2. Buzz never saw him play and therefore did not recruit him.
3. Buzz saw him play, liked him, but he had no interest in MU so there was no reason for Buzz to recruit him.
4. Buzz saw him play and didn't think he was talented enough to play at MU.
I don't understand the need to consistently bash Ryan's recruiting style. Since he has taken over the team 9 years ago they are 217-82, have 9 tourney appearances, 3 sweet sixteens, and an elite 8. Head to head we've just been about even. I know we just had two great recruiting periods, but I'm not going to start getting cocky til we make it out of the second round.
Why is this even a big topic on this board? A non-conference opponent signed a decent prospect.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on July 20, 2010, 02:54:20 PM
Why is this even a big topic on this board? A non-conference opponent signed a decent prospect.
It's summer. It makes sense that the forum rules get a little relaxed with so little MU BBall news going on. Judging by the number of posts in this thread I'd say that we've got to talk about something.
Uthoff was just evaluated by ESPN. He is rated as a 94, #19 PF, which ranks him as one of the first few left off their top100 list. He is probably the best recruit to sign for UW in the '09-'12 classes, for what its worth.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on July 20, 2010, 02:54:20 PM
I don't understand the need to consistently bash Ryan's recruiting style. Since he has taken over the team 9 years ago they are 217-82, have 9 tourney appearances, 3 sweet sixteens, and an elite 8. Head to head we've just been about even. I know we just had two great recruiting periods, but I'm not going to start getting cocky til we make it out of the second round.
Why is this even a big topic on this board? A non-conference opponent signed a decent prospect.
It is because they always bash us. Tit for tat. The fact is I do not hate UW or Ryan, but I have a problem with a lot of their fans. I am sure that anyone checking my post history will find that I generally do not rag on UW, but I understand why people here do.
Quote from: martyconlonontherun on July 20, 2010, 02:54:20 PMWhy is this even a big topic on this board? A non-conference opponent signed a decent prospect.
If nothing else, they're still a big rival. If Notre Dame or DePaul were non-conference, I could understand disparaging them too, if for no other reason than because rivals like to talk smack. As long as you can take it back, I can see dishing it out. Makes more sense to me than talking smack about a non-conference non-rival like Indiana ;)
Quote from: bilsu on July 20, 2010, 01:25:17 PM
I much rather have UW sign a player that is not on our radar. However, there are only three reasons he was not on our radar.
1. Buzz felt he did not fit our style.
2. Buzz never saw him play and therefore did not recruit him.
3. Buzz saw him play, liked him, but he had no interest in MU so there was no reason for Buzz to recruit him.
I can't imagine Bo and Buzz run into each other very often when they're out recruiting...if EVER.
he sounds like a great 'get', and I have no doubt he will contribute at UW-Madison..., would have been happy to have had him at MU based on his upside and size.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 20, 2010, 06:54:58 PM
I can't imagine Bo and Buzz run into each other very often when they're out recruiting...if EVER.
Well...I'm sure they do in Menomonee Falls ;)
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward who has been compared to Gordan Heyward, Kyle Singler, Robbie Hummell, and Jon Leuer. A kid who has been named MVP of at least three spring AAU tourneys, including the first of the NYtoLA tourneys in Mequon. This kid is blowing up right now. Very impressive player who hasn't been evaluated yet on a national level!
The comparisons are in:
Gordon Hayward gets picked ninth in NBA draft, Jarrod Uthoff gets picked ninth in open gym.
Kyle Singler - Jarrod Uthoff cannot carry his jockstrap.
Robbie Hummell - Jarrod Uthoff even lighter complected.
Jon Leuer present Wisconsin student. Jarrod Uthoff future Wisconsin student.
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 19, 2010, 09:18:32 PM
Try a 6'8/ 6'9 point forward...
Is it just me, or is this term suddenly thrown around
way too much? Ever since LeBron came into the NBA, every prospect that plays either the 3 or the 4 is a "point forward". Honestly, does anyone believe this kid, even if he is a top 150 type recruit, will be bringing the ball up the floor for Bucky, honing his distribution game just as much as he is his scoring and rebounding? True point forwards are rare in the NBA, acting as though every high major forward is a point forward is getting more than a bit silly.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 20, 2010, 05:44:26 PM
Uthoff was just evaluated by ESPN. He is rated as a 94, #19 PF, which ranks him as one of the first few left off their top100 list. He is probably the best recruit to sign for UW in the '09-'12 classes, for what its worth.
Wow - That is a good ranking from ESPN..though I'm shocked given what recent footage I saw on the web of his highlights. The kid looks like he has a LONG way to go to be a player...I'd be shocked if he contributed much of anything as a freshman or sophomore at UW. That said he'll probably be a good system player at UW.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 20, 2010, 08:18:04 PM
Is it just me, or is this term suddenly thrown around way too much? Ever since LeBron came into the NBA, every prospect that plays either the 3 or the 4 is a "point forward". Honestly, does anyone believe this kid, even if he is a top 150 type recruit, will be bringing the ball up the floor for Bucky, honing his distribution game just as much as he is his scoring and rebounding? True point forwards are rare in the NBA, acting as though every high major forward is a point forward is getting more than a bit silly.
We had Fitzgerald.
For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 20, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!
Hey little guy, who has a more recent Final Four appearance, Marquette or UW@Madison? Also, how many games has Bo Ryan beat a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament? Thanks in advance for the information!
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 20, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!
If history had any bearing on fans remaining silent, you can start your 48 year moratorium any day now.
Quote from: thebadge10 on July 20, 2010, 10:10:17 PM
For a program that has only made it out of the first weekend of the NCAA only once in 15 years you guys sure talk a good game! Win something and get back to me!
When Bo gets to the Final Four, get back to us. Hell, even horrible coach Tom Crean pulled that off. What is Bo against higher seeds? 1-10?
How can a thread about a recruit for another team that we were not even pursuing NOT be considered SUPERBAR
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 21, 2010, 12:50:51 PM
When Bo gets to the Final Four, get back to us. Hell, even horrible coach Tom Crean pulled that off. What is Bo against higher seeds? 1-10?
Didn't you hear? Bo and his Badgers have just gotten unlucky running into the hottest shooting team in the tourney every year, like Cornell (who then promptly lost to Kentucky) and UNLV (who then promptly lost to Oregon).
Its ironic and hypocritical that all they do over there is crow about how Marquette fans spin everything.
Yea... All we do is complain that we would have beaten any other "10 seed" / "Team in our Pod" / "Team in the next round." We can't exactly cast the first stone about fans making NCAA excuses. Sorry.
Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2010, 10:13:50 PM
Hey little guy, who has a more recent Final Four appearance, Marquette or UW@Madison? Also, how many games has Bo Ryan beat a higher seed in the NCAA Tournament? Thanks in advance for the information!
How recent is "recent"???
Quote from: Stone Cold on July 20, 2010, 07:41:57 AM
Bo coaches em up that's for sure though. He's a team defense guru.
And Cornell is the Showtime Lakers.
isn't there a baaaajr board that this leaker could troll around on? why harrass us?
There's really nothing better than getting Becky all upset. Too bad they can't face the reality of what their national perception is. A good team, slow and ......
Is what it is. 5 pages worth before it was shut down.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=193&f=2565&t=6149352&p=1
Talk about overly sensitive over there. They have a good team, fine student athletes (well, on the hoops squad at least), but this really bothers them. Why are some athletes choosing to stay away from Madison? Academics? LOL...though that's the comments by some. Is it something else?
The national perception of the Badgers, which may as well be reality, is slow, tall, white guys with flat tops. It is what it is, it's not something out of thin air that was conjured up as a conspiracy or something. What's the big deal, he gets the same types of kids in and out of the program and they do extremely well. They compete well in a good league, win playing team basketball, the graduate their kids and 3 other clones come in the next year. It is what it is. Embrace it, Becky!
The thing is, if you read the thread attached, it's more than that. It's bothersome....deeply bothersome to them. The whole image goes against some of their progressive sensibilities, which is ironic as hell if they just opened up the window and looked at the Madison personae....a cookie cutter reflection of their squad. The basketball team is picture perfect reflection of the state capital, in all it's glory. LOL. Bothered they are, especially the OP who "couldn't care less" except to start the thread. It's the Summer, and yes, I got a kick out of that thread and probably shouldn't have posted it but it made me chuckle. Becky is bothered. LOL
There is also this image. As one of the elite sports schools in the country.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball
Only Florida, O$U, and Texas rank higher.
If they threw in hockey...who knows? :P
On the UW thread Chicos linked to, there was a link to an article about the recent AAU tournament in Las Vegas. In the article, Mike Shaw's AAU coach says his top 4 are Georgetown, Texas, Michigan St, UNLV, and says they are waiting to see if UNC or Duke offers materialize.
He never seemed likely to commit to MU, more so as his stock rises. Our best chance probably was getting him early. Oh well.
Hold on...
Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread? As Jeff Potrykus?
That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 26, 2010, 08:48:12 PM
Hold on...
Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread? As Jeff Potrykus?
That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."
oh yeah, Pokey is a regular over there.
I like how one of the first things they said on the thread Chicos posted was that Vander would not fit in on that list of recruits. They didn't say he wasn't smart enough to go there necessarily, but it's really too bad that all of those rumors about Vander not being elible as a reason for him not going to Madison. It is not fair to Vander that people will keep making those comments. The guy was 16-17 and people on message boards were questioning his intelligence and it still lingers...
Well, we will see how Bo does without the four star and five star players now. He is a great coach, but he has had talent. He is not finding guys in the woods in northern Wisconsin. He was getting top talent and acheiving about the results a team should have with four and five star players.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 26, 2010, 08:48:12 PM
Hold on...
Is that really Jeff Potrykus participating in a Scout board thread? As Jeff Potrykus?
That is seriously embarrassing stuff for a supposed "journalist."
Agree 100%. I take issue with the way Potrykus acts like your average internet poster when he should be maintaining some level of journalistic integrity. He doesn't necessarily do anything wrong, I just don't get why he feels the need to participate.
I called him out on the JSOnline Badger Blog for the way he had to respond to low-level trolls posting comments that he didn't agree with. Not even people saying bad things about UW, but idiots just trying to pick a fight. I had to call him unprofessional a couple times to get him to respond, and his defense left a lot to be desired.
I also really laughed when he called out someone who questioned a UW recruits' talent for being "uninformed"(and there were plenty of people calling their latest white guy "the 2nd coming of Pistol Pete" that he didn't need to call out). Um, if it weren't for uninformed opinions, the internet would have no reason to exist. We're all uninformed compared to a real journalist. Very childish, I thought. Potrykus is not my favorite sportswriter.
Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 26, 2010, 09:28:46 PM
I like how one of the first things they said on the thread Chicos posted was that Vander would not fit in on that list of recruits. They didn't say he wasn't smart enough to go there necessarily, but it's really too bad that all of those rumors about Vander not being elible as a reason for him not going to Madison. It is not fair to Vander that people will keep making those comments. The guy was 16-17 and people on message boards were questioning his intelligence and it still lingers...
Well, we will see how Bo does without the four star and five star players now. He is a great coach, but he has had talent. He is not finding guys in the woods in northern Wisconsin. He was getting top talent and acheiving about the results a team should have with four and five star players.
Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers). Uthoff is now the highest rated player UW has gotten in their '08-'12 classes, and he is still on the outside of the top100. The talent is starting to be watered down and it will be interesting to see if Bo can keep them at the same level. I have no doubt that Bo will have them in the tourney every year, and I like a lot of the players they have, but I think their program has peaked under Bo. Looking forward, their roster is comprised mostly of the type of player you usually think of as good complementary players.
Its almost sad reading that Scout board the way so many of them actually think they are getting Tokoto.
Quote from: Ners on July 20, 2010, 02:53:14 PM
4. Buzz saw him play and didn't think he was talented enough to play at MU.
5. Buzz saw him play, offered, but the 4.0 Valedictorian chose the Harvard of the Morraine.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 26, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers). Uthoff is now the highest rated player UW has gotten in their '08-'12 classes, and he is still on the outside of the top100. The talent is starting to be watered down and it will be interesting to see if Bo can keep them at the same level. I have no doubt that Bo will have them in the tourney every year, and I like a lot of the players they have, but I think their program has peaked under Bo. Looking forward, their roster is comprised mostly of the type of player you usually think of as good complementary players.
That swing works well when NBA players are running it. It will probably run as well as the triangle offense runs in the NBA without the best player in the league running it for Phil Jackson.
For example, last year they had four players in their starting lineup who were 4-star players- Leur, Bohannon, Nankivil, and Hughes. They had similar results to what some of the Amigos teams had with similarly ranked talent.
But they will usually tell you that the Amigos underacheived, even though the Amigos did beat them when they had TWO five star players in Butch and Krabenhoft, plus a few other four stars around those guys. Bo definately outrecruited Crean, but Crean was able to beat Bo with less talent so we need to tip our hats to Crean there.
Congrats to Bo for being able to recruit 5 star players. We would all love that consistently. But they are kidding themselving in Madison if they think Bo is taking guys with no talent and having strong teams. If anything, Bo has met expectations rather than exceeding them.
To Bo's defense, the guy really *can* coach. He does get guys to fit that system and perform well within that system. The problem is, without top talent, they have a ceiling. They really can only go so far.
And the thing is, most Badger fans I know really don't care all that much. Finish near the top of the B10...beat Duke at home in December...and win a NCAA tournament game and all is right with the world. Honestly, not many people question whether the program could do better.
And of course, when the top local talent goes elsewhere, it's always because of something. Bo didn't want for Jamil to make up his mind in spring. When Vander decommited, Bo really didn't try all that hard to get him. I mean, there is always a convenient excuse for why these kids go elsewhere.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 26, 2010, 11:29:45 PM
Agree 100%. I take issue with the way Potrykus acts like your average internet poster when he should be maintaining some level of journalistic integrity. He doesn't necessarily do anything wrong, I just don't get why he feels the need to participate.
I called him out on the JSOnline Badger Blog for the way he had to respond to low-level trolls posting comments that he didn't agree with. Not even people saying bad things about UW, but idiots just trying to pick a fight. I had to call him unprofessional a couple times to get him to respond, and his defense left a lot to be desired.
I also really laughed when he called out someone who questioned a UW recruits' talent for being "uninformed"(and there were plenty of people calling their latest white guy "the 2nd coming of Pistol Pete" that he didn't need to call out). Um, if it weren't for uninformed opinions, the internet would have no reason to exist. We're all uninformed compared to a real journalist. Very childish, I thought. Potrykus is not my favorite sportswriter.
If he wants to participate, just be some anonymous knob like the rest of us are. Does he feel like since he's Jeff Potrykus that he carries some weight? Pathetic.
Quote from: MarkCharles on July 26, 2010, 11:39:55 PM
Exactly. What so many UW fans don't get is that Bo from '03-'07 had a ton talent in Madison. Top100 guys almost every year, sometimes a couple, and two legitimate 5 star recruits (although both had very un-5star careers).
Some may jump on me for throwing out the race card but...
I do think that racial stereotypes have a lot to do with some people's perceptions of both UW and MU's programs. People see a roster with a lot of clean cut looking white kids and tend to assume that they are less talented, less athletic, overachievers. People assume that Butch, Krabenhoft, Leur, and Bohannon fit that category, even though they were 4 or 5 star recruits. I think some of us are guilty of this.
Conversely, I have heard the terms "streetballers" and "cocky thugs" thrown around by Badger fans in the past about MU's teams, with no real evidence to back up those claims. Now I wonder what would make someone assume that about MU's bball team?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 27, 2010, 07:46:56 AM
To Bo's defense, the guy really *can* coach. He does get guys to fit that system and perform well within that system. The problem is, without top talent, they have a ceiling. They really can only go so far.
And the thing is, most Badger fans I know really don't care all that much. Finish near the top of the B10...beat Duke at home in December...and win a NCAA tournament game and all is right with the world. Honestly, not many people question whether the program could do better.
And of course, when the top local talent goes elsewhere, it's always because of something. Bo didn't want for Jamil to make up his mind in spring. When Vander decommited, Bo really didn't try all that hard to get him. I mean, there is always a convenient excuse for why these kids go elsewhere.
Finishing near the top of the BE, beating Duke anywhere and winning an NCAA game would be a good season for most teams and is not an indication that they don't care all that much.
Quote from: MUSF on July 27, 2010, 09:38:52 AM
Some may jump on me for throwing out the race card but...
I do think that racial stereotypes have a lot to do with some people's perceptions of both UW and MU's programs. People see a roster with a lot of clean cut looking white kids and tend to assume that they are less talented, less athletic, overachievers. People assume that Butch, Krabenhoft, Leur, and Bohannon fit that category, even though they were 4 or 5 star recruits. I think some of us are guilty of this.
Conversely, I have heard the terms "streetballers" and "cocky thugs" thrown around by Badger fans in the past about MU's teams, with no real evidence to back up those claims. Now I wonder what would make someone assume that about MU's bball team?
I look at it differently than that. I think they are a fine team, but it is clear that some kids don't want to play there....for some reason. I wonder why that is. ::) I wonder why kids from Madison leave in droves to get out of that city. Yes, I wonder.
Quote from: butchbadger on July 26, 2010, 07:40:04 PM
There is also this image. As one of the elite sports schools in the country.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball
Only Florida, O$U, and Texas rank higher.
If they threw in hockey...who knows? :P
Yes, Wisconsin just rolls off the tongue from fans around the country with Florida, OSU and Texas. LOL.
Of course, if Gary Parrish said it (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQuxKVeV8fH6mzSdel794FoN-wxkIyABNqyzsQCvTzhwjbkS0&t=1&usg=__BfaG4AZZhmo-Wx1DLdvDwJO1UhU=)
What do those 4 schools have in common? Lots and lots of NCAA violations over the years. The difference, of course, is that those three have turned those into championships while Becky never does.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 27, 2010, 09:52:05 AM
Yes, Wisconsin just rolls off the tongue from fans around the country with Florida, OSU and Texas. LOL.
Of course, if Gary Parrish said it (http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTQuxKVeV8fH6mzSdel794FoN-wxkIyABNqyzsQCvTzhwjbkS0&t=1&usg=__Bcute%20one4AZZhmo-Wx1DLdvDwJO1UhU=)
What do those 4 schools have in common? Lots and lots of NCAA violations over the years. The difference, of course, is that those three have turned those into championships while Becky never does.
You know what they don't have in common with those 3 schools? A National Championship in the last 10 years, or even a National Championship or Final Four appearance. I don't think anyone would view the Badgers as a threat to win a FB national championship and despite what they want to say, reach an NCAA FF either.
Quote from: MedicineHatSpanker on July 27, 2010, 12:25:15 AM
5. Buzz saw him play, offered, but the 4.0 Valedictorian chose the Harvard of the Morraine.
That's like saying Stout is the Harvard of Western Wisconsin, or the Harvard about 1 hour east of Minneapolis.
Quote from: ATWizJr on July 27, 2010, 09:42:47 AM
Finishing near the top of the BE, beating Duke anywhere and winning an NCAA game would be a good season for most teams and is not an indication that they don't care all that much.
What I meant was, that they don't care that much about being better than they already are.
Quote from: T-Bone on July 27, 2010, 10:22:54 AM
That's like saying Stout is the Harvard of Western Wisconsin, or the Harvard about 1 hour east of Minneapolis.
I think this makes Ripon the Yale of Fond du Lac county
Quote from: SacWarrior on July 27, 2010, 03:39:47 PM
I think this makes Ripon the Yale of Fond du Lac county
It really is....
Quote from: T-Bone on July 27, 2010, 10:22:54 AM
That's like saying Stout is the Harvard of Western Wisconsin, or the Harvard about 1 hour east of Minneapolis.
6. UW-Madison is the Princeton of the Prairie and I'm gonna get me some of that
Quote from: mu-rara on July 29, 2010, 03:41:46 PM
It really is....
Are you forgetting the academic powerhouse that is Marian College???