http://sundaygazettemail.com/Sports/WVU/201006280374
R u serious why couldnt buzz get this guy
>:( >:( >:( >:(
One of the last places I'd guess. Go figure. He'll probably fall off the face of the earth there.
he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont
Quote from: jhags15 on June 28, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont
Isn't he ridiculously smart though? I have a hard time believing academics would be the main issue.
Quote from: mu ricer22 on June 28, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
R u serious why couldnt buzz get this guy >:( >:( >:( >:(
Really?
I guess I'll never understand why kids make the recruiting decisions they do. Here is a kid who seems on the surface to be concerned about academics who decides to go to a university, relatively far from home to play for a coach who is very "in your face" and doesn't have a great reputation for caring much about academics at a program that while solid doesn't have a reputation for developing big men. Noreen appeared to take trips all of the country so it wasn't like he was uninformed. If he was dying to play in the BE certainly MU was an option.
Quote from: jhags15 on June 28, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont
Thing is, he's a 4.0 student and Boston College is no academic slouch, his original school he signed with.
this is very disappointing
Quote from: wadefan#1 on June 28, 2010, 05:30:23 PM
this is very disappointing
Meh...
I know nothing about this kid other than seeing what was posted on this board but something tells me we are going to be ok with the fact that we didn't sign him.
From what I saw he looked like a major project physically. His move to college ball is going to be a VERY big challenge for him...I wouldn't be surprised if he's a total non-factor for his first 2-3 years there.
Does anyone know if Buzz formally offered him while he was on his visit? Just because a kid visits campus it doesn't necessarily mean he is offered a scholarship. Either way, I'm not too upset we didn't land this kid..he may be skilled, but I am confident either Gardner or some other player Buzz signs will have as much impact as a kid like Noreen would. Time will tell...
If he is a major project physically, then we do not have to worry about him doing any damage to us.
Well, if davante keeps shedding weight faster than noreen can bulk up, then hopefully it will be clear we got the right big man in a couple of years, I wanted noreen, but we haven't had great luck with minnesota players, so I'll take the 1st team all-state center from virginia.
Quote from: jhags15 on June 28, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont
Really? just how "superior" are we academically?
Take a look at the WVU campus. Perhaps he really liked that compared to downtown Milwaukee. Knocking another school when we lost out is chicken s###.
Quote from: 79Warrior on June 28, 2010, 07:33:12 PM
Really? just how "superior" are we academically?
Take a look at the WVU campus. Perhaps he really liked that compared to downtown Milwaukee. Knocking another school when we lost out is chicken s###.
I don't like the practice of knocking other schools either.
We didn't lose out on Noreen. Both parties went their separate ways a couple months ago.
Probably a good fit for him. Sounds like he could play the role of Pittsnoggle.
I won't knock WVU, because it would make me sound too much like a fan of that team to our west.
However, I am not a huge Huggy Bear guy, he make my skin crawl.
Pittsnoggle was a Bielein guy, not a Huggins guy. Huggy has never really developed the spot-up 4/5, so this seems an odd fit. Best of luck to the young man.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 28, 2010, 07:46:53 PM
I don't like the practice of knocking other schools either.
We didn't lose out on Noreen. Both parties went their separate ways a couple months ago.
I thought I had read that Buzz gave him a deadline to committ...a take it or leave it offer, or something of that sort? I'm guessing this won't be the last kid we lose to WV...not a Huggins fan either, but he wins.
Quote from: 79Warrior on June 28, 2010, 07:33:12 PM
Really? just how "superior" are we academically?
Take a look at the WVU campus. Perhaps he really liked that compared to downtown Milwaukee. Knocking another school when we lost out is chicken s###.
US News and World Report's well known college rankings have Marquette as a tier 1 national university, WVU as a tier 3 national university. They further define tier 1 & 2 schools as "top schools". Fall 2008 acceptance rate at Marquette 65%, at WVU 88%. Sorry to be the one to tell you that you went to a school that's well thought of academically.
Quote from: 94Warrior on June 28, 2010, 07:59:21 PM
Probably a good fit for him. Sounds like he could play the role of Pittsnoggle.
I won't knock WVU, because it would make me sound too much like a fan of that team to our west.
However, I am not a huge Huggy Bear guy, he make my skin crawl.
+1
Lets not waste our time talking about the academics of rival basketball programs. UW fans are world champions at that, we should just let them have their favorite sport. And don't confuse the character of the head coach with the academic reputation of a school overall. Indiana is actually a pretty good school.
WVU is just like most other public universities. Their mission is to provide education to a wide variety of students, and when you are talking about a poor state like West Virginia, you aren't going to get a lot of academically talented students. However, I am sure they get their fair share of top students, who can piece together a top-notch education that will challenge them academically.
Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2010, 08:12:14 PM
Pittsnoggle was a Bielein guy, not a Huggins guy. Huggy has never really developed the spot-up 4/5, so this seems an odd fit. Best of luck to the young man.
Ugh. Pittsnogle.
(http://cache.deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/02/pittsnogle2.jpg)
Back on topic, Huggins' teams have never really seemed to have had a "finesse" guy. I cannot think of one that wasn't a hard nosed scrapper who would mix it up with anyone.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 29, 2010, 07:43:16 AM
WVU is just like most other public universities. Their mission is to provide education to a wide variety of students, and when you are talking about a poor state like West Virginia, you aren't going to get a lot of academically talented students. However, I am sure they get their fair share of top students, who can piece together a top-notch education that will challenge them academically.
This MAY be heresay, but my friends from the East coast say that the kids that go to WVU are not the WV kids... They are the kids who couldn't get into the good schools out east... UVA, etc.
sort of a back up school.
and if you guys put MU in the same academic light as WVU again, you only do your degree a disservice.
I am not for making fun of WVU kids, but it isn't close.
WVU still has a lot of in-state students and "first generation" students. You just aren't going to be considered academically elite under those circumstances.
But that doesn't mean that Noreen can't get an excellent education there.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 08:15:17 AM
This MAY be heresay, but my friends from the East coast say that the kids that go to WVU are not the WV kids... They are the kids who couldn't get into the good schools out east... UVA, etc.
sort of a back up school.
and if you guys put MU in the same academic light as WVU again, you only do your degree a disservice.
I am not for making fun of WVU kids, but it isn't close.
There are plenty of kids at MU that would have no chance of getting into UVA
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 09:49:49 AM
There are plenty of kids at MU that would have no chance of getting into UVA
Obviously. UVA is a top 5 public school.
If you really need me to, I can include other schools though that plenty of MU students would be able to attend.
My point was that WVU was for the kids who can't get into good schools, and use it as a fall back school.
If you want to go burn couches, head straight to Morgantown.
yeah, there are plenty of ways we can make fun of WVA without citing academic rankings.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 09:53:34 AM
Obviously. UVA is a top 5 public school.
If you really need me to, I can include other schools though that plenty of MU students would be able to attend.
My point was that WVU was for the kids who can't get into good schools, and use it as a fall back school.
If you want to go burn couches, head straight to Morgantown.
Ha you're the own that chose UVA to demonstrate that WVU is a backup, not me.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 10:33:36 AM
Ha you're the own that chose UVA to demonstrate that WVU is a backup, not me.
Also, I included the "etc."
I assumed you knew what that meant.
Silly me.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 10:39:39 AM
Also, I included the "etc."
I assumed you knew what that meant.
Silly me.
Hey don't worry about it, just make a better argument next time.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 10:47:02 AM
Hey don't worry about it, just make a better argument next time.
Are you saying you don't know what "etc." means?
Oh i know what etc. means, just not in you're argument. Are you implying Georgetown, Carnegie Melon, William and Mary?
So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 10:51:37 AM
Oh i know what etc. means, just not in you're argument. Are you implying Georgetown, Carnegie Melon, William and Mary?
Logically speaking, those are "good schools out east".
Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2010, 10:57:03 AM
So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.
I agree with you that academic quality is often overblown when considering athletic recruiting. However, I think most of this comes up because it was reported that Noreen was a 4.0 HS student and academics were an important criteria for him. That isn't always the case with many recruits. Regardless of the relative academic qualities of whatever schools he was considering, playing for Huggins, Mr. 0% Graduation Rate, seems like an odd choice for this kid.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 11:12:30 AM
Logically speaking, those are "good schools out east".
Logically Marquette must be a backup school as well
Quote from: Litehouse on June 29, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
I agree with you that academic quality is often overblown when considering athletic recruiting. However, I think most of this comes up because it was reported that Noreen was a 4.0 HS student and academics were an important criteria for him. That isn't always the case with many recruits. Regardless of the relative academic qualities of whatever schools he was considering, playing for Huggins, Mr. 0% Graduation Rate, seems like an odd choice for this kid.
But you don't know how they recruited him. They could have had him meet one on one with some faculty from the area where he wanted to study. Maybe they reassured him that he could persue what he wanted academically.
It's more than just graduation rates.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 11:39:48 AM
Logically Marquette must be a backup school as well
Agreed, but not nearly to the degree WVU is.
Which was my exact point.
look no further than acceptance rates.
Marquette is ranked in front of many schools with significantly lower acceptance rates just so you know.
Bottom line, i don't like sticking our noses up at other schools when we bitch about other fan bases doing the same thing. It's arrogant and one of the worst attributes fans can have.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 12:16:01 PM
Marquette is ranked in front of many schools with significantly lower graduation rates just so you know.
Bottom line, i don't like sticking our noses up at other schools when we bitch about other fan bases doing the same thing. It's arrogant and one of the worst attributes fans can have.
Why let facts get in the way, right?
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 29, 2010, 11:44:37 AM
But you don't know how they recruited him. They could have had him meet one on one with some faculty from the area where he wanted to study. Maybe they reassured him that he could persue what he wanted academically.
It's more than just graduation rates.
We never know what goes on behind the scenes with any recruitment, I just think this looks like a head-scratcher on the surface. Maybe he really hit it off with a professor, like you mentioned, maybe some of the things people wrote about academic interest weren't accurate, maybe he just loved the W.Va. countryside, maybe Huggins has turned over a new leaf after seeing Da'Sean Butler with that Lowe's Senior Class Award.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 12:31:19 PM
Why let facts get in the way, right?
Which facts? Acceptance rates?
Or maybe huggy man-caressed him and licked his face like desean butler??
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
Which facts? Acceptance rates?
Yes. And others, clearly.
Marquette is an academically better school than WVU on every single metric I have seen. Here is one example (the most referred to one)
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/morgantown-wv/west-virginia-university-3827
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/milwaukee-wi/marquette-university-3863
I am not ashamed to say it, and I don't care if that sounds arrogant. Sometimes the truth isn't palatable for everyone.
If academics were important to Noreen (as he said) he would have chosen a better school.
If your panties are in a bunch that is fine by me.
Acceptance rates is a tricky stat. There are a number of students that apply to the big state school because it's inexpensive to attend, inexpensive to apply. As a result, acceptance rates can be lower because you have every kid in the state taking a flier on trying to get in.
Conversely, there are expensive private schools that many kids won't even bother attending because the cost to attend is high, it may be religiously affiliated, the application isn't cheap, etc. So you get a self selecting applicant pool of kids that are qualified students and truly want to attend. You don't have as many kids just applying for the hell of it.
I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically. What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a shitty back up school? I think you might have a different take on this.
Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them. Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically. What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a crapty back up school? I think you might have a different take on this.
Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them. Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.
Frankly, I wouldn't care. I live in Madison, so as you can imagine, I hear it all the time.
Additionally, the drop off between the schools you listed and MU is FAR SMALLER than the drop off between MU and WVU.
As for the acceptance rates part, see Chicos post.
Quote from: LAZER on June 29, 2010, 01:45:17 PM
I know MU is better than WVU and i would never argue otherwise, my original objection to your posts was in saying that WVU is a backup school to UVA and how dumb of a statement that is, also your general blasting of it academically. What would your reaction be if a UW, or U of I, or Notre Dame fan came here blasting MU as a crapty back up school? I think you might have a different take on this.
Also take a look at the acceptance rates of a lot of schools ranked below Marquette and some ahead of them. Many of them are significantly lower/higher respectively.
Wisconsin U of I and Notre dame do make that argument all the time when it comes why a recurit would choose. The big Difference between WVU and Marquette besides academics maybe that he just didn't want to go to school in the city anymore. I can understand that.
FYI, Marquette was a fall back school for me over UVA and Virginia Tech. I suggested WVU to my dad, he laughed at me and stated, over his dead body. If you like Meth go to WVU.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Frankly, I wouldn't care. I live in Madison, so as you can imagine, I hear it all the time.
Additionally, the drop off between the schools you listed and MU is FAR SMALLER than the drop off between MU and WVU.
As for the acceptance rates part, see Chicos post.
And ... who cares?
Are you implying that
a) Noreen can't get a quality education at West Virginia
or
b) By commiting to West Virginia, he can't possibily be serious about academics
Either one would be assinine. One can get a quality education at pretty much any major university in the country if he/she puts the time and work into it.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2010, 02:21:32 PM
And ... who cares?
Are you implying that
a) Noreen can't get a quality education at West Virginia
or
b) By commiting to West Virginia, he can't possibily be serious about academics
Either one would be assinine. One can get a quality education at pretty much any major university in the country if he/she puts the time and work into it.
I am implying only the obvious. If the most important thing to Noreen was getting a quality education he shouldn't attend the academically lowest ranked school (or at least the bottom) he visited. He had a 4.0 and a 36 on his ACT. My POINT throughout this is that he was really about getting into a good basketball school first, and a quality education second, and not the other way around.
I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities. I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.
Quote from: jhags15 on June 28, 2010, 04:47:14 PM
he wants to give like 10 percent effort in class to get a's apparently. WVU has that we dont
True
Quote from: tradebeau on June 29, 2010, 02:39:33 PM
I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities. I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.
My dad taught Geology at WVU for a few years as a prof before going into the EVIL WORLD of working with the oil companies to find oil. WVU is good in some areas, not so good in others. It's a big state school serving a state that is near the bottom of the list in many categories. As such, it takes an academic hit just like the Mississippi schools.
That does NOT mean there aren't talented students there, talented professors, etc. It can become a numbers game at that point. Like most large, public institutions, they have an implied mandate to educate the students of their state and will take just about anyone. As such, you have a number of people that, quite frankly, don't cut it at all and you also have students that are serious and well qualified. Just a numbers game.
Congrats on getting Noreen. Seems like a good kid all the way around.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on June 29, 2010, 02:26:33 PM
I am implying only the obvious. If the most important thing to Noreen was getting a quality education he shouldn't attend the academically lowest ranked school (or at least the bottom) he visited. He had a 4.0 and a 36 on his ACT. My POINT throughout this is that he was really about getting into a good basketball school first, and a quality education second, and not the other way around.
Sorry, but that's just silly.
There's absolutely zero evidence that Noreen, should he fully apply himself, will receive a lesser education at WVU than he would at Marquette or just about any of his other major suitors.
As to your POINT, if he was about getting a quality education first and not into a good basketball school, he'd have never considered Marquette. A kid who can hoop and has a 4.0 with 36 ACT could have his pick among Ivy League schools
Maybe, just maybe, he - gasp! - decided WVU was the best place for him.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 01:30:59 PM
Acceptance rates is a tricky stat. There are a number of students that apply to the big state school because it's inexpensive to attend, inexpensive to apply. As a result, acceptance rates can be lower because you have every kid in the state taking a flier on trying to get in.
Conversely, there are expensive private schools that many kids won't even bother attending because the cost to attend is high, it may be religiously affiliated, the application isn't cheap, etc. So you get a self selecting applicant pool of kids that are qualified students and truly want to attend. You don't have as many kids just applying for the hell of it.
Agreed. That and the obnoxious "number of applications" stat are overrated. With all the general apps (or whatever they're called ... I'm an old man who finished high school before they became so popular ... 7 yrs ago), the financial and time cost to apply for many schools is nil.
I would bet there's some app out there for WI residents to apply to every one of the 13 4-year schools at once. Schools are doing anything to increase their application numbers and decrease their acceptance rate.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2010, 03:37:21 PM
Sorry, but that's just silly.
There's absolutely zero evidence that Noreen, should he fully apply himself, will receive a lesser education at WVU than he would at Marquette or just about any of his other major suitors.
As to your POINT, if he was about getting a quality education first and not into a good basketball school, he'd have never considered Marquette. A kid who can hoop and has a 4.0 with 36 ACT could have his pick among Ivy League schools
Maybe, just maybe, he - gasp! - decided WVU was the best place for him.
If he wants to hoop (legitimately have an NBA chance) he wouldn't pick an Ivy League school. I realize it isn't unheard of, but it is certainly less likely.
I have no illusion that MU is some end all be all for academics, I am saying that according to all metrics (that I have seen) it is ranked higher than WVU. Does that mean he can't get a better education at WVU? Of course not. I have said for years that you get out what you put in. If you want to be successful, you can be, anywhere.
Quote from: warrior07 on June 29, 2010, 03:38:35 PM
Agreed. That and the obnoxious "number of applications" stat are overrated. With all the general apps (or whatever they're called ... I'm an old man who finished high school before they became so popular ... 7 yrs ago), the financial and time cost to apply for many schools is nil.
I would bet there's some app out there for WI residents to apply to every one of the 13 4-year schools at once. Schools are doing anything to increase their application numbers and decrease their acceptance rate.
The Common Application. Yes you are correct on both counts.
The problem with most USN&WR rankings is that they are mostly reflective on the quality of the students that apply, not the "outcomes" of those who graduate. IOW, it doesn't show how much a student improved during their tenure.
This is hilarious. He is gonna be the smartest person in Morgantown. If he wants Huggins over Buzz he can take it.
Noreen's recruiting sojourn would have made Phileas Fogg proud. But then again, his HS coach at Minnesota Transitions is the same as his AAU coach...which is the same AAU team as Trevor Mbwake. He had more dates than Wilt.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 29, 2010, 10:57:03 AM
So, the next time a kid chooses MU over someplace like Northwestern, Notre Dame or Michigan, I'll expect to read plenty of posts here mocking his choice and questioning his ability to get an education.
Pakuni, are you really saying that the difference between different tier 1 schools is the same as the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 3 school?
Quote from: tradebeau on June 29, 2010, 02:39:33 PM
I really do love reading the chatter of the ill informed. You have all heard the saying about liars and statistics. So, I thought I would leave you a statistic. I hope hear from those who claim MU so much better than WVU. I am not saying those folks are not right but any young man that has a 4.0 and is looking at life beyond athletics and wants to get the best of both world. (Best basketball conference and the very brightest of student athletes in the big east) That young man just might choose WVU. Number 6 in rhodes scholars for public universities. I would provide links to information on this but think the haters would best be served looking it up themselves.
Who are these "The Haters" are they related to George W.,s "The Evil Doers"?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 29, 2010, 03:08:50 PM
My dad taught Geology at WVU for a few years as a prof .....
Sorry Chicos, but I have to say that when I read how your post began I was LOL. Someday, sometime there WILL be a thread where the Bailsbondsman does not have a connection. I'm am by no means implying that what you say isn't true, in fact, that only makes it more ... whatever. You are truly like the international communist conspiracy, your tentacles reach everywhere...
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 29, 2010, 11:17:42 PM
Pakuni, are you really saying that the difference between different tier 1 schools is the same as the difference between a tier 1 and a tier 3 school?
Are you saying that Northwestern, Notre Dame and Marquette are considered academic equals?
Actually, yes the difference between Tier 1 schools can, in fact, be greater than the difference between a Tier 1 and a Tier 3 school.
Put it to you this way ... according to the US News rankings you cite, Northwestern is #12, ND is #20 and MU is #84.
As a Tier 3 school, WVU falls somewhere between #129 and #195.
Thus, it is entirely possible that the ranking system you cite considers MU closer academically to West Virginia than Northwestern and ND. After all, MU is 72 spots behind NU and 64 behind ND. 71 spots behind MU places WVU squarely in the middle of Tier 3. So if WVU were just a middle-of-the-pack Tier 3, it would be about as close to MU as MU is to Northwestern. And if WVU were considered one of the top Tier 3 schools - let's say #135 - then by these rankings, MU is more WVU than it is Notre Dame.
The difference between the two schools isn't nearly as vast as some here would wish.
Quote from: LittleMurs on June 29, 2010, 11:42:28 PM
Sorry Chicos, but I have to say that when I read how your post began I was LOL. Someday, sometime there WILL be a thread where the Bailsbondsman does not have a connection. I'm am by no means implying that what you say isn't true, in fact, that only makes it more ... whatever. You are truly like the international communist conspiracy, your tentacles reach everywhere...
Yeah, I know....it is kind of funny and it is absolutely 100% true. He would tell me some cool stories about Jerry West, who played at West Virginia. He only taught there for about 4 or 5 years, this was prior to him marrying my mom and before I came into the picture. It worked out very well for him in the long run as it allowed him to get into the private sector, moved us to Central America and South America for awhile, and eventually to California. A good man, he is missed. RIP
Quote from: Pakuni on June 30, 2010, 12:47:55 AM
Are you saying that Northwestern, Notre Dame and Marquette are considered academic equals?
Actually, yes the difference between Tier 1 schools can, in fact, be greater than the difference between a Tier 1 and a Tier 3 school.
Put it to you this way ... according to the US News rankings you cite, Northwestern is #12, ND is #20 and MU is #84.
As a Tier 3 school, WVU falls somewhere between #129 and #195.
Thus, it is entirely possible that the ranking system you cite considers MU closer academically to West Virginia than Northwestern and ND. After all, MU is 72 spots behind NU and 64 behind ND. 71 spots behind MU places WVU squarely in the middle of Tier 3. So if WVU were just a middle-of-the-pack Tier 3, it would be about as close to MU as MU is to Northwestern. And if WVU were considered one of the top Tier 3 schools - let's say #135 - then by these rankings, MU is more WVU than it is Notre Dame.
The difference between the two schools isn't nearly as vast as some here would wish.
True, but one would also have to conclude then that each degree of separation (or each ranking difference) were the same. I don't think that's the case either. In other words, is 10 spots away from 50 the same separation value as 10 spots away from 175?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 30, 2010, 12:57:03 AM
True, but one would also have to conclude then that each degree of separation (or each ranking difference) were the same. I don't think that's the case either. In other words, is 10 spots away from 50 the same separation value as 10 spots away from 175?
Unfortunately, that's impossible to tell since after #128, US News doesn't give out scores for schools, simply a Tiuer 3 ort Tier 4 assignment.
I can tell you that Northwesten received a score of 87, Notre Dame a 76 and MU a 43. I also can tell you that the schools ranked #128 scored a 33. I can't tell you how anybody beyond that scored.
Not sure if anyone else is watching Minnesota v West Virginia right now, but Noreen is looking good in the second half. Very aggressive for the ball, playing tough in the blocks, doing a bit of ball-handling on the perimeter, and getting a lot of acclaim from the announcers. Scored his first points and looking good.
I may hate Huggy-Bear's teams, but I do wish this kid the best, seemed like a good kid that deserved a chance. Since he came in tonight, WVU has went from a 7-point deficit to (currently) a 1-point lead. Kid's looking good.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 21, 2010, 08:47:21 PM
Not sure if anyone else is watching Minnesota v West Virginia right now, but Noreen is looking good in the second half. Very aggressive for the ball, playing tough in the blocks, doing a bit of ball-handling on the perimeter, and getting a lot of acclaim from the announcers. Scored his first points and looking good.
I may hate Huggy-Bear's teams, but I do wish this kid the best, seemed like a good kid that deserved a chance. Since he came in tonight, WVU has went from a 7-point deficit to (currently) a 1-point lead. Kid's looking good.
I'm sure being a Minnesota kid he'd like to impress.
The announcers seem to luv him, but he hasn't really done all that much. Hopefully my Gophers can pull this one out.
Minnesota is good. Hard to watch this without thinking about the potential if we had Mbakwe and Noreen.
Quote from: Jacks DC on November 21, 2010, 09:14:11 PM
Minnesota is good. Hard to watch this without thinking about the potential if we had Mbakwe and Noreen.
Noreen isn't even close to Mbakwe. Trevor has really developed as a power forward. MVP of the tournament.
Minnesota has a nice all round team.
Noreen would have been a nice addition. Don't miss Crean's 28 yr. old sophomore, headcase, model citizen recruit.
Quote from: nyg on November 21, 2010, 09:22:10 PM
Noreen isn't even close to Mbakwe. Trevor has really developed as a power forward. MVP of the tournament.
Minnesota has a nice all round team.
I didn't say they were equals. Mbakwe is very good right now. Noreen has potential. No need to rehash the character issues with Mbakwe, you have to admit that as a player he would be a great addition to our team right now.