Mbao leaves program
Freshman center Youssoupha Mbao has decided to transfer from MU.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/93963594.html
Too bad.
One of my favorite MU moments was seeing Ousmane say goodbye and thank you at the Senior Banquet in 2008. It is an amazing what worlds basketball can open for a kid. Obviously Mbao will have a bunch more worlds to explore but I thought there would be something cool about another kid from Senegal spending 4 years at MU, getting a great education, etc.
well this was obvious
Unfortunate news, but at the same time can't say I'm shocked since I think everyone was expecting Mbao to leave.
Unfortunately the writing was on the wall once we saw the extra scholarships being handed out.
Wish him the best though.
raises another question though, with Mbao gone and Gardner taking his scholarship spot, is someone still going to prep school for this season, and if so, is Buzz still out there recruiting?
Quote from: DCWarriors04 on May 17, 2010, 03:38:00 PM
raises another question though, with Mbao gone and Gardner taking his scholarship spot, is someone still going to prep school for this season, and if so, is Buzz still out there recruiting?
From everything we've heard the last few weeks, I would have to assume the answer is yes.
No surprise. Something was brewing with this occurrence as early as Dec. Some on this board were so defensive they couldn't see the obvious.
But but but but but but I thought it was CLEAR Mbao was staying.
This is no surprise.
Good luck to Yous. Wherever he goes, may the ceiling be high enough.
Quote from: MUeagle05 on May 17, 2010, 03:40:17 PM
From everything we've heard the last few weeks, I would have to assume the answer is yes.
eh, maybe. Remember a lot of what we say is heresay, but personally, I wouldn't be too surprised.
I wonder if I will be the only one waiting for the MR. HAYWARD (Canadian Dimes) post where he says he was wrong about Mbao being the next Thabeet, and the whole 'he just needs to add 25lbs.' and he is NBA lotto material.
I get the feeling that I shouldn't hold my breath.
The questions remain. Why is he transferring? Was he run off, or was this his own choice?
Good luck to him. Maybe he can catch on with another Div I b-ball program and obtain his degree.
I guess this was just like a trade, Mbao for Gardner.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 17, 2010, 03:55:17 PM
The questions remain. Why is he transferring? Was he run off, or was this his own choice?
It depends...If you don't like Buzz, he was run off. If you do like Buzz, he left on his own.
Quote from: MerrittsMustache on May 17, 2010, 04:02:19 PM
It depends...If you don't like Buzz, he was run off. If you do like Buzz, he left on his own.
Pay the man, Shirley.
We've been hearing this one for awhile and we are still hearing one other as a strong possibility.
I'm sure Lenny and a few others will say this is an attack, but I never really understood why we took him to begin with. I said it then and say it again today. Yes, you can't teach height but he wasn't a Big East player by any stretch...and the assertions that if he merely ad 40 lbs would be an All Big East player (that's you Mr. Hayward) were amusing to say the least.
The biggest red flag from day one was Stoneridge Prep. Of course, when some of us brought that up, we were just Buzz haters. ::) He seems like a good kid and he may have a bright future down the road but the signing looked like one of Crean's big man desperation signings then and even more so today.
Don't be surprised if another player follows suit.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
No surprise. Something was brewing with this occurrence as early as Dec. Some on this board were so defensive they couldn't see the obvious.
Yup
Schollie table needs an update...or should we just wait until Buzz is done recruiting for 2010? :)
Quote from: downtown85 on May 17, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Schollie table needs an update...or should we just wait until Buzz is done recruiting for 2010? :)
I'd wait, no need to keep making changes when more are likely to come. ;)
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 17, 2010, 03:41:06 PM
No surprise. Something was brewing with this occurrence as early as Dec. Some on this board were so defensive they couldn't see the obvious.
Perhaps, but it was still the right thing to not throw the kid under the bus. He is officially leaving now, so good luck and God bless.
We had a scholly to give after Mbakwe left. It was either leave it open or get a late flyer.
Both would probably lead to an opening in 2010.
Buzz doesn't like keeping prospects if he thinks he was wrong on them/they don't belong.
My belief is that this was a situation where Mbao wasn't willing to put in the work required for him to become a player at MU. Or at very least there was a difference of opinion between him and Buzz as to his level of commitment to become the best he could be. Wish the best to Yous, as with enough effort and work he seems to posses enough athletic ability to turn into a player.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 17, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
We've been hearing this one for awhile and we are still hearing one other as a strong possibility.
I'm sure Lenny and a few others will say this is an attack, but I never really understood why we took him to begin with. I said it then and say it again today. Yes, you can't teach height but he wasn't a Big East player by any stretch...and the assertions that if he merely ad 40 lbs would be an All Big East player (that's you Mr. Hayward) were amusing to say the least.
The biggest red flag from day one was Stoneridge Prep. Of course, when some of us brought that up, we were just Buzz haters. ::) He seems like a good kid and he may have a bright future down the road but the signing looked like one of Crean's big man desperation signings then and even more so today.
Don't be surprised if another player follows suit.
If you didn't understand why we took him because you didn't think he could play I have no problem with that. The state of the program is such that we have to take chances on bigs - it's been that way for a long time, but a miss is still a miss.
My question is this: of all the guys TC recruited who couldn't play how many did you question before they arrived on campus?
That was one of the impressions I got during his last interview with Homer. He mentioned EWill, Otule, JFulce, as guys who had not yet 'earned' their scholarships but were working hard and doing things the right way. He noticeably did NOT mention Mbao. I had a feeling then that this was the ultimate outcome, but did not want to go rumormongering.
Good luck to Yous. Seemed like a good kid.
Hopefully we can get a definitive roster by summer so that we do not have to look into players'/coaches' comments for clues.
I wish Yous all the best. It was obvious to me that he was never going to be much help here, even if he put on weight, etc. Absolute extreme upside was a few extra fouls and the occasional blocked shot. This will be best for all concerned I imagine, as MU makes room for a more useful player and Mbao will move on to another school that will better utilize his particular talents. With a year to recuperate and develop, he may be useful at a mid to low D1 school for his 3 remaining years of eligibility.
As for running a player off, all departures from a school are some combination of the coach not wanting the player there and the player not wanting to be there. If Buzz made it clear that playing time was not coming and Yous decided to leave, was he run off or did he decide to leave? The question would be what % was the player and what % was the university, and it seems like a pointless thing to conjecture about.
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 17, 2010, 04:47:29 PM
As for running a player off, all departures from a school are some combination of the coach not wanting the player there and the player not wanting to be there. If Buzz made it clear that playing time was not coming and Yous decided to leave, was he run off or did he decide to leave? The question would be what % was the player and what % was the university, and it seems like a pointless thing to conjecture about.
Very great way of putting. That is the issue and you are right it is really hard to know when the line is drawn.
This development shouldn't surprise any MU fan.
"Yous the man...for a while!"
We all Mbao to you.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 17, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
We've been hearing this one for awhile and we are still hearing one other as a strong possibility.
Just curious. Have you heard something about a transfer from some inside source, or are you just talking about everybody on here talking about someone transferring?
Chicos just talks.
All the best Mbao... Yous just in a bit over your head.
Quote from: Tigidal on May 17, 2010, 05:31:08 PM
All the best Mbao... Yous just in a bit over your head.
HEY OHHHH.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 17, 2010, 04:19:17 PM
I'd wait, no need to keep making changes when more are likely to come. ;)
What changes Chicos and who is leaving? Man up and tell us since your acting like you know what is going on.
Quote from: Ners on May 17, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
My belief is that this was a situation where Mbao wasn't willing to put in the work required for him to become a player at MU. Or at very least there was a difference of opinion between him and Buzz as to his level of commitment to become the best he could be. Wish the best to Yous, as with enough effort and work he seems to posses enough athletic ability to turn into a player.
???
The article quotes Buzz as saying, "We are disappointed that he has decided to continue his playing career elsewhere, but will support him through the transition process." I found "disappointed" as an interesting choice of words...
This was expected.
sounds like "coach speak" in this case
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 17, 2010, 04:17:08 PM
The biggest red flag from day one was Stoneridge Prep.
Did you bring this up when Dale Dabone signed Lazar? Notre Dame Prep in Fitchburg, MA is a cesspool.
Don't think Buzz will come out and say "You and your weak game Gets ta steppin Mbao " in the official press release.
I wish Yous well.
Having heard that Buzz interview that was referenced earlier, it raised a red flag for me too. Reason being, a hand issue and a sprained knee should not keep someone out from January-May. Unless the docs mis-diagnosed, it sounds like a case of not keeping to the rehab schedule.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 17, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
Did you bring this up when Dale Dabone signed Lazar? Notre Dame Prep in Fitchburg, MA is a cesspool.
I believe Stoneridge Prep was on an NCAA watchlist of questionable prep schools. I am not sure if Notre Dame Prep came under the same scrutiny, it very well could have, just not sure.
Can't say I'm surprised, but I am a bit disappointed. All the best to Yous, hopefully he'll find a program that suits him better.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 17, 2010, 03:45:00 PM
eh, maybe. Remember a lot of what we say is heresay, but personally, I wouldn't be too surprised.
I wonder if I will be the only one waiting for the MR. HAYWARD (Canadian Dimes) post where he says he was wrong about Mbao being the next Thabeet, and the whole 'he just needs to add 25lbs.' and he is NBA lotto material.
I get the feeling that I shouldn't hold my breath.
hold it all you want....give the kid a couaple of years and 25 pounds and i stand by my original statement. the kid has incredible athleticism for a kid that big. he may have not have had the mental toughness or drive, we will never know.
Any idiot like yourself can make comments like this after the fact. Buzz clearly saw a tall athletic kid and chose to give him a chance. i saw the same potential. Any idiot can stay silent and then critique others comments after the fact. you should be proud of yourself.
Buzz said one of the incoming players is going to prep school, so MU might sign another player.
Quote from: Ners on May 17, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
My belief is that this was a situation where Mbao wasn't willing to put in the work required for him to become a player at MU. Or at very least there was a difference of opinion between him and Buzz as to his level of commitment to become the best he could be. Wish the best to Yous, as with enough effort and work he seems to posses enough athletic ability to turn into a player.
bingo...
It's too bad. He seemed like a good enough kid and well liked by his teammates. I'm with a lot of the others on the board that think that he wasn't willing to put in the work to become a high level BE player and therefore mutually decided to cut their losses. I hope he finds success wherever he ends up.
It would be SOOOO cool if we could still get Noreen.
Now that yous is gone, Otule will see a lot of minutes this next year. It will be interesting to see if he has improved as much as buz has indicated to the media. We will need him.
Quote from: KipsBayEagle on May 17, 2010, 05:38:48 PM
???
Not sure what you didn't understand about my post? Buzz has said he's never thrown a player off the team for lack of production -cited Otule, Fulce, EWill - He did say that as long as you are doing your best everyday to be your best, there will always be your spot. He also said a player needs to earn their scholarship, and if they aren't doing everything they can to be their best, they don't necessarily deserve their scholarship for 4 years. I'm sure it was put to Yous in no uncertain terms that this is what is expected of you, and if you don't fulfill it - you'd be best to transfer or run the risk of your scholarship not being renewed.
Quote from: Stone Cold on May 17, 2010, 05:58:13 PM
Don't think Buzz will come out and say "You and your weak game Gets ta steppin Mbao " in the official press release.
But why would Buzz then say he was disappointed that he has decided to take his playing career elsewhere. Obviously it could mean many things, but if it means Buzz actually told Mbao to get lost because he wasn't good enough no matter how hard he worked, his statement is nothing short of a lie. If Buzz is going to talk character, he better lead by example.
Buzz is disappointed Mbao decided to leave (after he was strongly hinted that he wouldn't play at MU).
These are coaches, not priests.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 17, 2010, 07:00:13 PM
But why would Buzz then say he was disappointed that he has decided to take his playing career elsewhere.
Imagine this conversation, "Yous, I like you. I want you to stay at Marquette. However, either you're going to have to work a lot harder, or find another place to play"**
In which case, Buzz could still say: "We are disappointed that he has decided to continue his playing career elsewhere"
** not an actual quote. no idea if anything like this happened. just an example.
Sorry to see you go Yous, and all the best.
He seemed very likeable and seemed to be trying out there. The big red flag will always be that post on him scoring his first basket ever IN PRACTICE a good bit into the system.
I just hope he has fond memories of Marquette as a student. If that is the case, then I'm glad he came for a year. Obviously he didn't have a big impact, but he was replacing an empty spot on the roster, and at least blocked a couple of shots and got in a few minutes at the top of that crazy defense to disrupt guards. I'd rather give a good kid a few minutes on the court when we have a short bench then have an extra empty spot on the bench.
Quote from: downtown85 on May 17, 2010, 04:18:05 PM
Schollie table needs an update...or should we just wait until Buzz is done recruiting for 2010? :)
Sorry, I've been slacking on that, will get the updates in tonight.
Quote from: Ners on May 17, 2010, 04:25:34 PM
My belief is that this was a situation where Mbao wasn't willing to put in the work required for him to become a player at MU. Or at very least there was a difference of opinion between him and Buzz as to his level of commitment to become the best he could be. Wish the best to Yous, as with enough effort and work he seems to posses enough athletic ability to turn into a player.
Bingo! Buzz is all about the effort.
Mbao's transfer is not a huge spurise to me and it shouldnt be to anyone, he was gone as soon as we signed Gardner
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 17, 2010, 07:13:36 PM
Sorry, I've been slacking on that, will get the updates in tonight.
Ok, Scholarship table is updated....so far...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=8
Also, as I found out while editing, use care in differentiating D
evonte (Newbill) and D
avante (Gardner).
At least, I think I've got it right now...
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 17, 2010, 04:39:39 PM
My question is this: of all the guys TC recruited who couldn't play how many did you question before they arrived on campus?
Three players for sure and one assistant coach (Rab) that I can think of. Carlton and Trend, though at least with Trend I liked his athleticism. Kinsella was another, seemed like a good kid, smart, etc, but with his skill set I didn't understand why we brought him in.
Mbao didn't have anything but the height and the biggest red flag I had was the institution he came from, Stoneridge Prep. Yes, it's accredited but has had shady draped all over it for a long time.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 17, 2010, 06:16:38 PM
bingo...
So strange since you had him pegged as All Big East in a few years.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 17, 2010, 05:57:47 PM
Did you bring this up when Dale Dabone signed Lazar? Notre Dame Prep in Fitchburg, MA is a cesspool.
Who is Dale Dabone? Notre Dame Prep, were they under NCAA scrutiny like Stoneridge Prep was? Diploma Mill controversy had a number of schools on it, Stoneridge Prep was on the list. Notre Dame Prep was not.
To me the biggest question left unanswered surrounding Mbao is"
What the hell kind of professional team was he playing on in Spain?
Was it a professional team of wine makers, leather crafters, or matador wannabes?
A while back it was speculated that McMorrow was getting better (physically) and might be a possibility again. Is this definitely off the table?
By the way ... here are Mabo's career stats
http://www.gomarquette.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mbao_career10
Total games = 10
Total minutes = 60 (15= Pres, 12 = SD, 8 = N. Fla)
Total points = 1 (free throw against Grambling in two attempts and a missed fg against South Dakota)
Total Rebounds = 7 (2 against N. Florida, 1 in five other games)
Total Assists = 4 (2 = SD)
Total Blocks = 5 (1 in five different games)
Total Turnovers = 2 (1 = SD and 1 = Prov)
Total Fouls = 13 (4 = SD, 4 = N. Fla)
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 18, 2010, 06:46:19 AM
A while back it was speculated that McMorrow was getting better (physically) and might be a possibility again. Is this definitely off the table?
Considering it was merely speculation, I wouldn't say it was even on the table to begin with.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 17, 2010, 06:14:51 PM
hold it all you want....give the kid a couaple of years and 25 pounds and i stand by my original statement. the kid has incredible athleticism for a kid that big. he may have not have had the mental toughness or drive, we will never know.
Any idiot like yourself can make comments like this after the fact. Buzz clearly saw a tall athletic kid and chose to give him a chance. i saw the same potential. Any idiot can stay silent and then critique others comments after the fact. you should be proud of yourself.
I apologize for not openly criticizing the kid. Personally, I don't do that sort of thing on a public board so that I can play the I told you so game a few months later... I just don't get my rocks off that way. On the same wavelength, I don't put RIDICULOUS expectations on a kid that was a total unknown and came from a questionable prep school.
I guess my reactions have always been more tempered and outlook a little more skeptical than most people. I think most people saw Mbao as a reach when he was signed. You didn't.
Track record for Buzz and his Big recruits is definitely abysmal:
M. Clark: working on the chain gang
Otule: 2 years of injuries
Roseboro: skipped town pretty quickly
Mbao: in way over his head and injuries
McMorrow: not sure he was Buzz's but health/injury problems
E. Williams (some may not consider him a big): jury still out on him
Quote from: willie warrior on May 18, 2010, 09:13:22 AM
Track record for Buzz and his Big recruits is definitely abysmal:
M. Clark: working on the chain gang
Otule: 2 years of injuries
Roseboro: skipped town pretty quickly
Mbao: in way over his head and injuries
McMorrow: not sure he was Buzz's but health/injury problems
E. Williams (some may not consider him a big): jury still out on him
It only takes one decent big recruit to change all this ....
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 18, 2010, 06:41:10 AM
To me the biggest question left unanswered surrounding Mbao is"
What the hell kind of professional team was he playing on in Spain?
Was it a professional team of wine makers, leather crafters, or matador wannabes?
$ ever are you not up to speed on how the Europeans run there club teams? basketball like soccer typically have a dozen or more teams mnay with players that are teenagers or younger , most dont get payed.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 18, 2010, 09:33:11 AM
It only takes one decent big recruit to change all this ....
We've heard that before, for the last decade +
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 18, 2010, 10:09:47 AM
We've heard that before, for the last decade +
Only since 2004. RJax and Jim Mac showed that MU could recruit big men less than 10 years ago.
Further, one could argue that it's only been two years ... Barro and Burke were serviceable big men in the last few years.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 18, 2010, 09:13:22 AM
Track record for Buzz and his Big recruits is definitely abysmal:
M. Clark: working on the chain gang
Otule: 2 years of injuries
Roseboro: skipped town pretty quickly
Mbao: in way over his head and injuries
McMorrow: not sure he was Buzz's but health/injury problems
E. Williams (some may not consider him a big): jury still out on him
JMO, but Clark, Roseboro, and Williams hardly qualify for "bigs" in my book.
Jimmy Mac has been gone for 16 years dude............ ::)
Quote from: MuMark on May 18, 2010, 10:54:15 AM
Jimmy Mac has been gone for 16 years dude............ ::)
Yes and from 1988 (starting with Jim Mac) to 2008 (Burke) were were able to get good to serviceable big men. Around here one gets the impression that MU has been unable to recover from losing George Mikan to DePaul.
We have a history of decent big men (shall I go back to Lucas?) and it will only take one decent recruit to wipe out all the angst about the lack of height. Is Gardner that recruit?
Mbao leaves program
Freshman center Youssoupha Mbao has decided to transfer from MU.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/93963594.html
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 18, 2010, 10:14:36 AM
Only since 2004. RJax and Jim Mac showed that MU could recruit big men less than 10 years ago.
Further, one could argue that it's only been two years ... Barro and Burke were serviceable big men in the last few years.
Barro i would say definitely, but Burke averaged 2.8pts and 3.7rbs his senior season. I guess it comes down to what your idea of servicable is, but I don't think Burke is the level that everyone around here is looking to replace. I think Otule would have no problem doing that in 19mpg next season.
Sorry to see Yous leave. Hope it works out for him in the long run.
http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/A_revolving_door_for_the_Eagles.shtml
I hope the press doesn't turn on Buzz and the program. Likely they won't, but these kinds of articles are never fun.
Pretty damning article. Though not quite as bad as the article in the New York Community Times that I heard is going to be picked up in Sports Community Illustrated. It asks serious questions about who MU could possibly get to replace the 7-2 Mbao as the point man on our 1-2-2 zone and how MU can go into another season without a top-rated, Big East ready 1-2-2 point man.
The media's all over Buzz. Hopefully he doesn't turn into Randy Johnson in NY.
Who gives a crap about what some writer from a dish rag of a "newspaper" thinks?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 18, 2010, 10:54:29 PM
http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/A_revolving_door_for_the_Eagles.shtml
I hope the press doesn't turn on Buzz and the program. Likely they won't, but these kinds of articles are never fun.
Whether it's the 5 college basketball fans left at New Orleans U or a writer for the esteemed Black Athlete Sports Network LLC, we can always count on you to link anything even remotely negative regarding Buzz and Marquette. Thanks and keep up the good work.
The guy writes for the Milwaukee Community Journal. You know, the paper that is between The Onion and the Shepherd Express in the hood. They're renowned for their hard-hitting sportswriting.
They must have run Yous off because he's black. Oh, wait...
C'mon Chicos, this is a reach and you know it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on May 19, 2010, 12:10:19 AM
The guy writes for the Milwaukee Community Journal. You know, the paper that is between The Onion and the Shepherd Express in the hood. They're renowned for their hard-hitting sportswriting.
They must have run Yous off because he's black. Oh, wait...
C'mon Chicos, this is a reach and you know it.
You're right, enterprising coaches of other teams that recruit against us won't use any means necessary, let alone a Milwaukee publication. Nah.
And sorry, why on earth did you go there with the racial comment? I don't get that take at all.
Let me guess, if this article was written during another certain coach's tenure, Lenny and Mr. Hayward wouldn't have had it autographed by the author and put in their bathroom over the commode?
Lenny, I don't find this stuff, it comes to me. There's this new invention called Google and Yahoo, they both provide alerts. Whenever Buzz Williams or Marquette basketball or any other topic comes up of your choosing, it's emailed to the account you wish. It's awesome. This internet, Google invention thing is really going to take off. Maybe I can get in on some Google stock. ::)
Not sure how that's such a "damning" article. Lacks perspective, but hardly a trash piece. But if that's how you took it, write your own and post your Hotmail address at the bottom. To make it more credible, maybe even go with Gmail.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 18, 2010, 10:54:29 PM
http://blackathlete.net/artman2/publish/College_Basketball_21/A_revolving_door_for_the_Eagles.shtml
I hope the press doesn't turn on Buzz and the program. Likely they won't, but these kinds of articles are never fun.
While I held out hope Mbao could develop, fact is MU lost the last guy on the bench (and he might have been behind Frozena) who scored a grand total of 1 point and 7 rebounds all of last season. This is hardly a "revolving door." In fact, their
should be some turnover at the end of the bench. It means we are giving guys an opportunity and when it does not work out, they move on.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 19, 2010, 12:48:57 AM
You're right, enterprising coaches of other teams that recruit against us won't use any means necessary, let alone a Milwaukee publication. Nah.
And sorry, why on earth did you go there with the racial comment? I don't get that take at all.
Let me guess, if this article was written during another certain coach's tenure, Lenny and Mr. Hayward wouldn't have had it autographed by the author and put in their bathroom over the commode?
Lenny, I don't find this stuff, it comes to me. There's this new invention called Google and Yahoo, they both provide alerts. Whenever Buzz Williams or Marquette basketball or any other topic comes up of your choosing, it's emailed to the account you wish. It's awesome. This internet, Google invention thing is really going to take off. Maybe I can get in on some Google stock. ::)
And Chicos has a standing search on Google for "Anything that says Buzz sucks"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 19, 2010, 12:48:57 AM
You're right, enterprising coaches of other teams that recruit against us won't use any means necessary, let alone a Milwaukee publication. Nah.
And sorry, why on earth did you go there with the racial comment? I don't get that take at all.
Here's the rub. The publication the writer works for is nothing. Pretty much insignificant. And it almost always deals with racial issues. Which is why I made that comment. With the racial angle taken out of it, I'm not sure that sticks at all with that paper's message or their "readership."
Also, find me a big time program that doesn't have a lot of turnover. I sure hope we're competing with those types of programs for players. You think one article from a no-name website is going to have any sway?
Like I said, it's a huge reach.
He also drew conclusions from the fact that Hazell and Acker left the program (both were "mutual decisions" despite the fact that they both had serious team rule violations). He didn't even mention Roseboro which is odd because that's the closest analog to Mbao's situation during Buzz's tenure. The guy could have made a strong point if he knew what he was talking about. A few posters from this board could have written a more compelling article taking that point of view.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on May 19, 2010, 09:09:23 AM
He didn't even mention Roseboro which is odd because that's the closest analog to Mbao's situation during Buzz's tenure.
I think he was referring to Roseboro when he said "another promising recruit left after the summer". I find it hilarious he called Roseboro promising.
Quote from: MUfan12 on May 19, 2010, 12:10:19 AM
The guy writes for the Milwaukee Community Journal. You know, the paper that is between The Onion and the Shepherd Express in the hood. They're renowned for their hard-hitting sportswriting.
They must have run Yous off because he's black. Oh, wait...
C'mon Chicos, this is a reach and you know it.
I did not get that impression. Considering the player replacing him is black, as is every recruit he is bringing in, the running off because he is black is beyond absurd.
79- Read my post two up from yours please.
I should have done a better job explaining it in the original post.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 19, 2010, 07:54:01 AM
While I held out hope Mbao could develop, fact is MU lost the last guy on the bench (and he might have been behind Frozena) who scored a grand total of 1 point and 7 rebounds all of last season.
I think Frozena outscored Mbao. ::)
That article shows that he is clueless on how much turnover their is in college basketball, especially when a team gets a new coach. Is their any evidence or site that keeps track of how many transfers each team in college basketball has on average? Not sure if that is a dumb question but I would be interested in seeing which schools are on the high end.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 19, 2010, 12:48:57 AM
You're right, enterprising coaches of other teams that recruit against us won't use any means necessary, let alone a Milwaukee publication. Nah.
And sorry, why on earth did you go there with the racial comment? I don't get that take at all.
Let me guess, if this article was written during another certain coach's tenure, Lenny and Mr. Hayward wouldn't have had it autographed by the author and put in their bathroom over the commode?
Lenny, I don't find this stuff, it comes to me. There's this new invention called Google and Yahoo, they both provide alerts. Whenever Buzz Williams or Marquette basketball or any other topic comes up of your choosing, it's emailed to the account you wish. It's awesome. This internet, Google invention thing is really going to take off. Maybe I can get in on some Google stock. ::)
I wish you would quit trying to read my mind as to what I would or wouldn't do in a hypothetical situation. You get annoyed if I draw inferences from what you DO say and then go off on me for something you imagine I would say.
Tom Crean has had many transfers while at MU and IU. Anyone who wants to rip him on that issue has had ample opportunity. Please share with me and the board instances of my negative statements about Crean on this. When you don't find anything a simple apology will do.
On a totally different subject, we're still waiting for you to produce the names of all the guys Buzz has signed who never made it to campus because of their grades.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 19, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
I wish you would quit trying to read my mind as to what I would or wouldn't do in a hypothetical situation. You get annoyed if I draw inferences from what you DO say and then go off on me for something you imagine I would say.
Tom Crean has had many transfers while at MU and IU. Anyone who wants to rip him on that issue has had ample opportunity. Please share with me and the board instances of my negative statements about Crean on this. When you don't find anything a simple apology will do.
On a totally different subject, we're still waiting for you to produce the names of all the guys Buzz has signed who never made it to campus because of their grades.
Forget about it Lenny, I asked him earlier in the thread to man up and name names, of the people that are leaving or won't get to campus, and he did not respond . . .
"It asks serious questions about who MU could possibly get to replace the 7-2 Mbao as the point man on our 1-2-2 zone and how MU can go into another season without a top-rated, Big East ready 1-2-2 point man."
This is a joke right? :D
What did he play 10 minutes all year as the "point man" in our zone?
Too funny
Quote from: mu-rara on May 19, 2010, 07:55:43 AM
And Chicos has a standing search on Google for "Anything that says Buzz sucks"
Okay, so I don't follow who says what 90 percent of the time, and don't really keep track of what certain posters do or how they post on this forum. But I didnt get any negative Buzz feelings from Chicos' original post on this article. Seemed he was just forwarding an article on Buzz and Marquette to the board.
Though it (the author and its publication) may be negative and not important, one of the big advantages of a forum community is that you have so many people interested in one thing (Marquette basketball in this case) and surfing the internet that all the info, news, rumors, etc about our program can be collected here and discussed. There is no way without MUScoop I would be able to read, much less find, the thousands of articles posted on here from hundreds of sites.
I sent5 Sparks an email saying that even we who follow Marquette basketball closely do not know all the details surrounding any of those decisions, so how can he. I suggested that he had cast a disparaging light on Marquette and the coaching staff unjustly.
It was a 100% non-sense article.
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on May 17, 2010, 06:49:34 PM
It would be SOOOO cool if we could still get Noreen.
+1
It's the last day of the signing period, I'm finally starting to get cooled down, and then I've got to read this, and get all hot and bothered again.
Quote from: crosscheck on May 17, 2010, 06:54:40 PM
Now that yous is gone, Otule will see a lot of minutes this next year. It will be interesting to see if he has improved as much as buz has indicated to the media. We will need him.
"Now that yous is gone, Otule will see a lot of minutes this next year."
The truth is one has
nothing to do with the other. If Yous had stayed, and Otule hadn't gotten his minutes this coming year, it wouldn't have been Yous taking Otule's minutes away.
Quote from: Canadian Dimes on May 18, 2010, 09:37:39 AM
$ ever are you not up to speed on how the Europeans run there club teams? basketball like soccer typically have a dozen or more teams mnay with players that are teenagers or younger , most dont get payed.
I believe 4ever's point was how could Mbao play with
any professionals on the floor, given his low skill level.
Quote from: AnotherMU84 on May 18, 2010, 07:00:03 AM
By the way ... here are Mabo's career stats
http://www.gomarquette.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/marq/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/mbao_career10
Total games = 10
Total minutes = 60 (15= Pres, 12 = SD, 8 = N. Fla)
Total points = 1 (free throw against Grambling in two attempts and a missed fg against South Dakota)
Total Rebounds = 7 (2 against N. Florida, 1 in five other games)
Total Assists = 4 (2 = SD)
Total Blocks = 5 (1 in five different games)
Total Turnovers = 2 (1 = SD and 1 = Prov)
Total Fouls = 13 (4 = SD, 4 = N. Fla)
You've been absolutely right for weeks, AnotherMU84, there is no way we can expect Buzz to be able to go out and recruit anyone who can replace that kind of production. What a bad "trade" for the program.
Anybody know where he is going?
Quote from: wadefan#1 on May 19, 2010, 09:48:16 PM
Anybody know where he is going?
Awesome, it only took four pages for someone to ask a question pertinent to the topic.
Quote from: mu-rara on May 19, 2010, 07:55:43 AM
And Chicos has a standing search on Google for "Anything that says Buzz sucks"
Nope, I want him to do well. The irony, in fact the great irony, is that there are many posters here that actually do search out for failings of our previous coach, "sucks" posts as you like to call them. Then they run over here to say, "see, see, look what's happening".
Oh the irony.
Quote from: 79Warrior on May 19, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
I did not get that impression. Considering the player replacing him is black, as is every recruit he is bringing in, the running off because he is black is beyond absurd.
Shhh, you're taking away the race angle which is the new line of attack I was on, didn't you know?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 20, 2010, 01:34:30 AM
Shhh, you're taking away the race angle which is the new line of attack I was on, didn't you know?
I addressed that earlier, and was clearly not going at you. Read my second post again. It's about the paper the guy writes for, not you. But by all means, keep on it if makes you feel better.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=20540.msg214145#msg214145
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 20, 2010, 01:32:33 AM
Nope, I want him to do well. The irony, in fact the great irony, is that there are many posters here that actually do search out for failings of our previous coach, "sucks" posts as you like to call them. Then they run over here to say, "see, see, look what's happening".
Oh the irony.
You provide the board with anything you can find negative about Buzz. Others provide the board with anything they can find negative about TC. Please explain how this is in the least bit ironic.
"You're the worst poster ever, Chicos."
-Cartman
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on May 20, 2010, 08:44:29 AM
You provide the board with anything you can find negative about Buzz. Others provide the board with anything they can find negative about TC. Please explain how this is in the least bit ironic.
I try to provide the board with reported information on Buzz, positive or negative. The others provide only negative. Thus the irony in the comments. Hope you were selling short today.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 20, 2010, 03:21:29 PM
I try to provide the board with reported information on Buzz, positive or negative. The others provide only negative. Thus the irony in the comments. Hope you were selling short today.
Negative information on Crean is much more news worthy because it's so difficult to find.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on May 20, 2010, 08:46:21 AM
"I want to vote for you Ready2Fly, but are you the douche or the turd?"
-Kyle
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Quote from: chapman on May 19, 2010, 07:07:48 AM
Not sure how that's such a "damning" article. Lacks perspective, but hardly a trash piece. But if that's how you took it, write your own and post your Hotmail address at the bottom. To make it more credible, maybe even go with Gmail.
Avoiding work and can't sleep, so here you go.
Like the flight of the Hindenburg, the coaching career of Buzz Williams began with great promise only to end in more spectacular failure. With 2 promising years under his belt, the Napoleonic coach with a Tiger Woods complex was looking forward to his third year at MU with an increasing amount of talent he had reruited.
However, on a fateful May day, Williams decided to cut ties with end-of-the-bench center Yous Mbao. A person of average intelligence may have thought the transfer inconsequential to Williams long-term coaching future. However, this was not the opinion of one brave muckraker from the Milwaukee Community Journal. He reported that other players had cut ties with the MU program, and to him it seemed like a lot. Others would argue that transferring from program to program was increasingly more the norm for college players.
The mainstream press quickly caught on to the MCJ article, and Buzz's lack of loyalty to players made him a pariah. Yous Mbao made the rounds on the talk circuit including all major local and national sports shows, as well as the Today show etc. He was often joined by Jeronne Maymon, a pair of sympathetic victims of betrayal. Meanwhile, Williams was roundly ripped by the media, who had turned on him. He was the first person to be named The Worst Person in the World on Olberman and an O'Reilly Pinhead on the same day, as well as the first person to make the ESPN not top 10 w/o an actual highlight.
Other college coaches used this to their advantage. Local recruit JP Tokoto recalls, "John Calipari showed me the MCJ article and said, 'how can you trust this guy?' I thought you know what, he's right."
I wish I could say no one saw this coming, because who could? The answer: it takes the man who sees the butterfly's wings flapping to predict the tsunami. Through the ingenious use of google alerts, MUScoop poster ChicosBailBonds predicted that the press, college coaches and eventually recruits would turn against Williams as a result of the article and Williams lack of respect for the person of Mbao. He was right. The MCJ article was the beginning of the end for Williams.
If there are 2 lessons to be learned from the rapid and ignominious fall of Buzz Williams, they are don't incur the wrath of the Milwaukee Community Journal, and if you are trying to predict and avoid the rare devestating event look to ChicosBailBonds.
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I thought the article went like this...
It's not even summer yet, and players in the Wisconsin men's program are passing through the revolving doors.
This year, three are coming in and one is going out. For the person who's leaving, don't let the door hit you in the butt.
There was promise for a 7-foot project like Ian Markolf. First of all, he would've been a junior if he would've remained in the program.
Next, Markolf probably would've been forced-fed with back door passes and screen training along with proprietary agility drills to make him more mobile for the Swing. Without the extra training, he would have been rooted in lane like an ent facing a lumberjack.
I can understand why Markolf wanted to leave the Wisconsin basketball program. There are four other tall, somewhat more mobile players on the bench at his position.
They just signed another big man, 6-11 Evan Anderson, who will be a freshman.
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Evan Anderson is 6-feet-11, 240 pounds from Eau Claire, WI. Since he is home grown, he will clearly be favored over the Texan Markolf. The staff, no doubt, wants Evan Anderson to be better in the Swing than current bench player Markolf. He got away with playing another style in high school, but in the Big Ten, you have to play the way UW plays to finish well in the league.
"A big who can move his feet so much better now than two years ago." Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan is thought said after announcing Anderson's signing earlier this year.
Whatever they do with Evan, make him screen endlessly and sit him on the bench hard.
Duje Dukan was a finalist for Mr. Basketball and an all-state pick Illinois. The Badgers are looking for the 6-foot-8, 215-pound Dukan to be Sam Okey, Keaton Nankivil, and Jon Leuer wrapped up in one.
The Mr. Basketball finalist can put points on the board. Duje has the potential to play multiple positions for us and we believe he's only scratching the surface of how effective he can be once he gets entrenched into the daily regimen of college basketball." Ryan said after Dujan's signing this year.
Ben Brust was also a highly rated player from the State of Illinois. At 6-feet-2 and 180 pounds, Ben is projected as a shooting guard. Coach Howard Moore said: "He's going to have to grow and figure things out with what is going on in the program..."
The combo guard who originally signed with Iowa but opted out after a coaching change should be up to the challenge. After a complicated and questionable Big Ten ruling, his signing was announced on May 15.
My feeling is that Markolf was a player that the coaching staff didn't want to spend the time to develop, but there's no telling if Ryan was faking his comments about Markolf because he had to say something publically.
"We wish Ian the best of luck and thank him for his hard work over the last two years," Wisconsin head coach Bo Ryan said in a release. "He's been a good teammate and student and we wish him well as he pursues other endeavors."
Markolf suffered knee and ankle bruising due to his long stints on the bench, and his season was shut down in mid-October. I guess being the cheerleader on the bench, the errand boy and the laundry runner would make you depressed too.
One thing that's not steady in Ryan's program is continuity. Two recruits were dismissed for criminal activity just last year.
We're just waiting to see who will be the next one to leave the program.
If you are confused the above article was satire and not meant to offend any current, future, or former badger player. It was meant to offend Troy A. Sparks, who could have written an almost identical story about the Badgers or UW-Milwaukee with little effort...