http://twitter.com/tomcrean
Says his assistants root for the old MU guys and had a lot to do in developing them. Also complementary towards the new MU staff.
Tommy was just a fart in the wind.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2010, 12:54:53 PM
Tommy was just a fart in the wind.
Once again, you and PRN have blinders on. TC did a lot for the MU program and he and his staff did a lot in recruiting and laying the development groundowrk for Rel, Wes, DJ, Zar, Mo and Cooby. That you two did/do not like him personally is irrelevant. Obviously, TC is pumping up the IU faihful in dark times by pointing to his past accomplishments. What else is a guy to do.
Crean did 100x more for himself than he did for MU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on May 01, 2010, 02:30:27 PM
Crean did 100x more for himself than he did for MU.
Wow, you don't give up. do you..... ::) Guess you would have rather have had "Days of Deane & Hester"...?
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 01, 2010, 03:50:35 PM
Wow, you don't give up. do you..... ::) Guess you would have rather have had "Days of Deane & Hester"...?
I was a huge fan of Krunti Hester. I remember being pretty upset when he followed Deane to Lamar.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 01, 2010, 02:11:32 PM
That you two did/do not like him personally is irrelevant.
Nobody likes him personally. He's one of the the most loathsome individuals I can think of in all of college or professional sports and it's a shame that he's associated with Marquette at all. What's even worse is that he's going to get his smarmy, phony ass fired in about a year or two then he'll come crawling back to Marquette trying to clean up his "legacy." I pray that everybody joins me in showering him with boos if he ever sets foot in the Bradley Center again...I don't care what the occasion is.
Literally, the only thing I give him credit for is Wade. Even that, I honestly believe was nothing but luck. His recruiting after Wade was atrocious. Only Matthews was a big time recruit and his game suffered under Crean because he was too busy coddling the monumentally overrated Dominic James.
as someone stated previously, "Crean's legacy will not be what he accomplished as a coach but what he did PR wise for the Al and timing of the BEast" I really wonder how much Dick Strong had to do with the success Crean/Cords/MU had in the building of the AL etc. I really liked the way Cords worked at MU and his style and relationships with everyone, Class AA person
Another thread about our former coach? What a surprise...!
He does take a lot of credit for the players. Kinda douchy, to steal a term from another thread.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 01, 2010, 04:24:03 PM
Nobody likes him personally. He's one of the the most loathsome individuals I can think of in all of college or professional sports and it's a shame that he's associated with Marquette at all. What's even worse is that he's going to get his smarmy, phony ass fired in about a year or two then he'll come crawling back to Marquette trying to clean up his "legacy." I pray that everybody joins me in showering him with boos if he ever sets foot in the Bradley Center again...I don't care what the occasion is.
Literally, the only thing I give him credit for is Wade. Even that, I honestly believe was nothing but luck. His recruiting after Wade was atrocious. Only Matthews was a big time recruit and his game suffered under Crean because he was too busy coddling the monumentally overrated Dominic James.
Generally, I have to agree with you, except I know he did work very hard to get Steve Novak
AND Brian Butch. His best luck might have been coming in second on the second Rod Grosse.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 01, 2010, 04:24:03 PM
Nobody likes him personally.
His wife might. All those assistants that went to IU might. Those former players that swear by him still might. Etc, etc, etc.
Nice to know he still remembers those guys.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 01, 2010, 09:54:21 PM
He does take a lot of credit for the players. Kinda douchy, to steal a term from another thread.
To be fair, he gave the credit to Buckley & Seltzer:
QuoteOur coaches root for our old Marquette players in a big way. Tim Buckley and Bennie Seltzer had a ton to do with the development of guys
9:05 AM May 1st via txt
I have no axe to grind with Crean except the way he left our team. He did a lot for MU. That said, his tweets are more "toots" because it is easy to see that he is still connecting himself to the success of the players he recruited, and helped develop. And his assistants did a ton to develop the players means TC was very good at picking coaches who can do that. Clearly, they are self-serving tweets, but that is what he needs to do considering where he is at IU. He needs people to believe. . .
Now . . . onto Marquette! GO MU!
Quote from: mu77vegas on May 01, 2010, 06:55:01 PM
Another thread about our former coach? What a surprise...!
I issue a challenge. Let's see how long the board can go without a Crean/Maymon thread or post. I put the over under at 6 minutes. ::)
I think it's great that Indiana strives to be more like Marquette.
As the song says... "The old gray mare, she ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be, ain't what she used to be..."
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on May 02, 2010, 05:15:05 PM
His wife might. All those assistants that went to IU might. Those former players that swear by him still might. Etc, etc, etc.
Possibly not detested by his wife. There's a legacy worth aspiring to. Just what we all want on our tombstones.
You know, I just read this "tweet" and it's borderline offensive. Here is exactly what it says:
"Our coaches root for our old Marquette players in a big way. Tim Buckley and Bennie Seltzer had a ton to do with the development of guys Wes, Jerel McNeal, Dominic James and Lazar Hayward. Also Maurice Acker and David Cubilian learned a ton with those guys. High character Young men. The Marquette staff now continues to build on a great program and tradition. Thats what you want when you leave. Success and achievement. I hope it continues. Now we need to continue to find those kind of high achievers here. We are and we will."
There is so much wrong with this, I don't even know where to start. First of all, Wes, McNeal and Hayward both improved exponentially after those as*clowns left! Second of all, I do not care for the "I hope it continues" comment at all. It has continued. For two consecutive years. Indiana hoped their program wouldn't be blown out at home vs. Iowa and lose to the Terriers of Boston University. Lastly, is this supposed to be some kind of explanation of why he left (thank you, Jesus)?
This guy has absolutely no shame. I didn't think it was possible, but my absolute hatred of that guy is increasing!!
Worry about your own team, jerkoff!
"I hope it continues"
That is an a**clown statement.... what a tool
"I hope it continues" is the mantra of our most prolific poster. Could he be TC's "ghost tweeter"?
Quote from: buckchuckler on May 02, 2010, 10:32:44 PM
I issue a challenge. Let's see how long the board can go without a Crean/Maymon thread or post. I put the over under at 6 minutes. ::)
It's the off season....why put a limit on the humor?
Could be worse, he could be tweeting about how he is all giddy about the premier of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey"...... oh wait, never mind.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 04, 2010, 08:37:19 AM
Could be worse, he could be tweeting about how he is all giddy about the premier of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey"...... oh wait, never mind.
I actually liked that one. It showed he had a modicum of depth (even bad TV is a hobby) and could laugh at himself. One of my biggest problems with the guy was he was so programmed, you never knew where he stood b/c he never said anything. Him referencing a bad A&E show is actually refreshing.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on May 03, 2010, 06:55:43 PM
You know, I just read this "tweet" and it's borderline offensive.
This guy has absolutely no shame.
"borderline offensive" Please. Tom Crean is beyond shameless. His messages are all the same - look at me, look how great I am, etc... This is well over the border. It is not just his "tweets" thatare offensive; He is offensive.
I am so glad he made the success of the past two years possible. I am so glad he made Wes the player he is today. I am so glad Buzz was able to build on the mountain of success Tommy established while at MU.
whatever your feelings on crean, they were nice words.
We have to remember who is target audience is too. The IU fans eat a lot of his tweets up and love them. He has to make sure that they know how successful he's been so that they will believe in him and be patient through all the rebuilding. So yea while his tweets can be kind of sickening from our point of view (I agree that it was nice of him to acknowledge the guys at MU, but it did sort of seem like he was twisting it in a way that him and his staff were all responsible and i hope Buzz doesn't screw it up), but he's not writing it for MU fans. He's writing it to excite the IU fans and this is the stuff they want to hear to reassure them that he is the right guy.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 05, 2010, 09:17:20 AM
We have to remember who is target audience is too. The IU fans eat a lot of his tweets up and love them. He has to make sure that they know how successful he's been so that they will believe in him and be patient through all the rebuilding. So yea while his tweets can be kind of sickening from our point of view (I agree that it was nice of him to acknowledge the guys at MU, but it did sort of seem like he was twisting it in a way that him and his staff were all responsible and i hope Buzz doesn't screw it up), but he's not writing it for MU fans. He's writing it to excite the IU fans and this is the stuff they want to hear to reassure them that he is the right guy.
I agree with the general tenor of your post, but don't you think a more effective way to "excite the IU fans" would have been to recruit some talent this year? How many "tweets" equal a top 50 or even a top 100 player. Year 3, tons of playing time to offer at a place that recruits itself and basically nothing to show for it. Those who can do, those who can't tweet.
I completely agree. I think he's having trouble on the recruiting trail and he's kind of buying himself time with the tweeting and keeping everyone on his side. They were so low and still recovering from Sampson that they are looking for reasons to be optimistic even though they are pulling in recruits below what they are hoping and not winning very much. At some point they will expect results (some expect results already), but I think if he hasn't done some serious damage recruiting Indiana in the 2011 and 2012 classes then he will be in trouble. That seems to be the classes that Indiana fans are pointing at to get them back on top and kind of the evaluator of Crean.
Quote from: pbiflyer on May 04, 2010, 08:37:19 AM
Could be worse, he could be tweeting about how he is all giddy about the premier of the "Real Housewives of New Jersey"...... oh wait, never mind.
You know how I know he's gay?
Sorry, I just couldn't resist it! ;)
I just clicked on the Twitter link and wow. I thought the Crean excitement about the New Jersey show was a joke. But he actually watches it and quotes it!! Lame. He watched Crowe on Letterman also. Man, this guy sits around an watches a lot of TV, I guess. I am surprised as I thought he was 24/7 working his butt off.
Even if it is partly to remind IU that he has had successful players in the past, the main thing is that it is nice for the players he acknowldged. It's good that the guy who ditched them gave a little applause.
As for his recruiting, he has a big year ahead of him. Things are going really well for Purdue, Xavier, Louisville, Kentucky, and Butler right now. That Indiana state talent has a lot of places to go. Iowa and DePaul getting better coaches doesn't help Crean either getting players in the Midwest.
Wes was at my daughter's school for their Athletic Banquet. (Spring 2009) Could not have been more gracious, well spoken, hung around for pictures with the kids. Gave his mom (also attended) props for the way she raised him. (Kind of threw Pops under the bus)
He gave specific props to Buzz for helping him develop his game. No mention at all of TC.
FYI: Novak spoke his senior year. (2006). Another great MU representation. These guys really are nice people.
Quote from: mu-rara on May 05, 2010, 11:35:08 AM
Wes was at my daughter's school for their Athletic Banquet. (Spring 2009) He gave specific props to Buzz for helping him develop his game. No mention at all of TC.
Why should Wes mention Crean? What did that guy do to develop Wes' skills? I think Wes gave credit where credit was justly due. Oversight? Nonsense. Wes applauded Buzz and rightly so. What stinks is Crean is going around taking credit for making Wes the player he is today. Rubbish.