The goof didn't even remember what happened on the last possession, insisting that DB shot a three. Homer and Mac kept telling him no shot was even taken. It's no wonder the players get so confused and tentative at clutch spots. Buzz seems to come up with good gameplans and makes some good adjustments, but has no clue...and I mean NO CLUE...what to do at the end of a game.
I just said to my wife, he seems to be a great coach and a nice person but he has had some pretty bad post game interviews. Granted I am sure his head is spinning after games, but more than once I thought, "huh?" listening to him after games. Oh well, no one is perfect. I can deal with that.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 03:48:15 PM
but has no clue...and I mean NO CLUE...what to do at the end of a game.
Right...he just doesn't have any idea what to do at the end of a game.
Seriously? ::)
At least he shows up for the post game shows.
Didn't hear today's, but his postgame after the Georgetown game was a pleasure to listen to.
some you jokers really crack me up. so buzz was drained after the game and gave an inarticulate interview. so what?
i bet you his mind was on things like keeping his teams spirits up and turning these close game loses around.
buzz always give you honesty and humility, and if he blanks on some details after a tough loss, I for one am okay with that.
He simply got it in his head that they were asking about a play earlier when Buycks missed the wide open 3. In the end, a good job of coaching.
Young coaches have to learn just like young teams do. He is facing some of the best coaches and teams in college basketball so I'd have to say that I'm pretty happy with him. I'd rather him be with the team than doing a post game interview right now anyway.
Quote from: muole on January 09, 2010, 03:56:11 PM
some you jokers really crack me up. so buzz was drained after the game and gave an inarticulate interview. so what?
i bet you his mind was on things like keeping his teams spirits up and turning these close game loses around.
buzz always give you honesty and humility, and if he blanks on some details after a tough loss, I for one am okay with that.
Blanks on details?!?!?!
On the final possession of the game?!?!
If he was that confused during that last timeout, then it's no wonder the team had no clue what to do at the end.
I'd rather hear Buzz speak, who has a sense of humility even after being on the job 466 days, than the old dickhead who came up with one lameass excuse after another.
They hired buzz to coach...not do post game interviews!
Buzz had a play drawn up...I am sure it involved JB turning the ball over!!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 09, 2010, 03:59:39 PM
I'd rather hear Buzz speak, who has a sense of humility even after being on the job 466 days, than the old dickhead who came up with one lameass excuse after another.
You meant turtleface...right?
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 03:59:27 PM
Blanks on details?!?!?!
On the final possession of the game?!?!
If he was that confused during that last timeout, then it's no wonder the team had no clue what to do at the end.
He's frustrated, a million thoughts going through his head, get over it.
Oh I forgot, he and his coaching staff just stared blankly at each other at the end of the game and didn't have a clue what to do. But you, ole Jimmy Naismith, have all the answers.
Buzz did fine. He coached us to within a whisker of a miracle win with the number 6 team in the country in an arena where no one has won in years! I have often questioned Buzz's communication style but doggone it he coaches toughness better than some big name coaches who do nothing but talk about it. I am actually enjoying this season. :)
MU picked to finish 12th in the Big East by the coaches. That prediction assumed we would have Cadougan, Maymon and Otule.
We just lost to the #6 team in the country by 2 points on court that they have won 34 times in a row on.
I think Buzz is doing fine......we are lucky to have him.
This thread is embarassing!
Buzz was basically right. Technically the last possession of the game was DJO (I think) making a three at the buzzer bringing the game to 78-76. Was Homer talking about the possession before right after Haywards free throws? Maybe they should have clarified which one. Either way, Buzz is doing just fine. We lost to some tough teams at the end of the game...it happens to everyone...
Quote from: DarkWarrior on January 09, 2010, 04:22:05 PM
Buzz did fine. He coached us to within a whisker of a miracle win with the number 6 team in the country in an arena where no one has won in years! I have often questioned Buzz's communication style but doggone it he coaches toughness better than some big name coaches who do nothing but talk about it. I am actually enjoying this season. :)
They didn't even get a friggin' shot off!!!!
This isn't the first time that's happened with Williams. He's good at gameplanning, but CYO level at managing end-of-the-game situations.
Someone should do a recap of end of the half and end of the game situations under Buzz and see how often MU gets a decent shot off.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 03:48:15 PM
The goof didn't even remember what happened on the last possession, insisting that DB shot a three. Homer and Mac kept telling him no shot was even taken. It's no wonder the players get so confused and tentative at clutch spots. Buzz seems to come up with good gameplans and makes some good adjustments, but has no clue...and I mean NO CLUE...what to do at the end of a game.
would your rather have a smooth/pr coach that gets his head handed to him in conference play or an emotional guy that takes the #6 team to the wire on their home court?
Blanks on details?!?!?!
On the final possession of the game?!?!
If he was that confused during that last timeout, then it's no wonder the team had no clue what to do at the end.
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they were supposed to take the first, best shot. Mo gave it to Jimmy in a terrible spot and he turned it over. how is that buzz's fault?
what do you mean by "that confused during the last timeout"? what evidence do you have of that? you took issue with the interview, but now you switch the subject and assume he was "that confused during that last timeout."
you, my friend, seem to be far out of your element.
Quote from: mviale on January 09, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
would your rather have a smooth/pr coach that gets his head handed to him in conference play or an emotional guy that takes the #6 team to the wire on their home court?
I could care less about PR. I just want a coach who can be successful at crunch time. A coach who knows what he's doing at the end of a close game and can communicate that to the players and get them to execute a play when needed. The shot doesn't have to go in, but get a good shot off.
If people are satisfied with a nice guy (and Buzz is a nice guy...met him at Williams Sonoma at Mayfair last Christmas...he just started talking to my Mom and myself while his wife did the Christmas shopping) that can't get his team over the hump in close games, then so be it. I'll take the jerk who wins.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 03:48:15 PM
The goof didn't even remember what happened on the last possession, insisting that DB shot a three. Homer and Mac kept telling him no shot was even taken. It's no wonder the players get so confused and tentative at clutch spots. Buzz seems to come up with good gameplans and makes some good adjustments, but has no clue...and I mean NO CLUE...what to do at the end of a game.
Your 10 posts are more embarassing as an "MU fan" than anything Buzz has said after a barn-burner. My guess is your a badger fan who has a niece who goes to MU, therefore you consider yourself a newly found "objective MU fan."
Cliff notes of gumbyandpokey posting history: "waaaa"
If you are not a badger fan, then you must be a fun person to sit next to at a stadium, plane, movie, church, etc...
so gumby, should they just fire him now? that seems to be what you're implying.
if you want to blame the late game execution on buzz, you also have to give him credit for the previous 39:30.
Quote from: mviale on January 09, 2010, 04:28:13 PM
would your rather have a smooth/pr coach that gets his head handed to him in conference play or an emotional guy that takes the #6 team to the wire on their home court?
I'm curious, who was getting their head handed to them in conference play?
Quote from: muole on January 09, 2010, 04:30:44 PM
Blanks on details?!?!?!
On the final possession of the game?!?!
If he was that confused during that last timeout, then it's no wonder the team had no clue what to do at the end.
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they were supposed to take the first, best shot. Mo gave it to Jimmy in a terrible spot and he turned it over. how is that buzz's fault?
what do you mean by "that confused during the last timeout"? what evidence do you have of that? you took issue with the interview, but now you switch the subject and assume he was "that confused during that last timeout."
you, my friend, seem to be far out of your element.
Didn't switch any subject. I said if Buzz was as confused in that final timeout as he was during the postgame interview, then it's not a surprise the players looked clueless on that last play. But, hey, if you want to celebrate another close loss, then go right ahead. This isn't an isolated incident. MU stinks at the end of close games. But moral victories are great and Buzz is a class guy, so losses don't matter.
This is a "bait" post if I ever saw one. I'm not biting.
Was Buzz's end-of-game plan any worse than Calhoun's today? UConn has NBA talent and is totally undisciplined. Buzz must have done something right to get his team to nearly wipe out a 22-point deficit in a very hostile environment.
Quote from: muole on January 09, 2010, 04:37:13 PM
so gumby, should they just fire him now? that seems to be what you're implying.
if you want to blame the late game execution on buzz, you also have to give him credit for the previous 39:30.
I said nothing about firing him.
I did say, though, that he gameplanned well and made nice adjustments.
But, imo, he also stinks at end-of-game situations.
Yes, MU sure stunk at the end of the G'Town game. And clearly Buzz's fault when Butler hits a fadeaway 21 footer, and clearly Buzz's fault when players buckle on FT shooting in the FSU, Nova, & NC State games.
You sir must hate life.
I would not question the last minute, but I would question the horrible 1st half. You have to give credit to buzz and troops for not "waiting for next year" and bringing us back into contention. The last minute game management conversation is moot without this coaching and team effort. What do you think of the comeback effort?
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 04:42:07 PM
I said nothing about firing him.
I did say, though, that he gameplanned well and made nice adjustments.
But, imo, he also stinks at end-of-game situations.
I say you planned well and meant well with this post, but in the end - you stunk at it.
Can we just be happy we seem to have a very, very competitive team this year?
Quote from: MU1984 on January 09, 2010, 04:56:18 PM
Can we just be happy we seem to have a very, very competitive team this year?
I can. I like this team better than last year's.
your true colors are really showing through, gumby. and they certainly are not blue or gold.
you are assuming buzz was confused in the final timeout. do you have any evidence of that?
and no on is celebrating a close loss. merely keeping the haters at bay with some logic.
I said nothing about firing him.
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"If people are satisfied with a nice guy (and Buzz is a nice guy...met him at Williams Sonoma at Mayfair last Christmas...he just started talking to my Mom and myself while his wife did the Christmas shopping) that can't get his team over the hump in close games, then so be it. I'll take the jerk who wins."
no you didn't. you heavy-handedly IMPLIED it.
I didn't hear the interview, and I know Buzz typically knows every bit of detail to a fault.
I do know that everytime a half, game or shot clock is running down and Acker has the ball in his hands something poor happens. I'm guessing we won't see the ball in Acker's hands too much at the end of any possession.
Who cares? The team hasn't been embarassing on the court yet this year.
"Embarassing" is not the term I would use to describe the interview.
Considering how detail oriented Buzz usually is, I would characterize his response to the question regarding the plan last 27 seconds as surprising. I think he may have been emotionally and mentally spent and preoccupied with his shirt term agenda. Not a big deal.
I like how Buzz shows up for his post-game show. Crean, on the other hand, tended to send a proxy after tough losses.
College basketball is first and foremost about recruiting. Mike Deane could coach circles around every coach in our league and it didn't really matter once KO's players ran out.
If Buzz is a better recruiter than TC and on the same level as bench coach, we'll be fine.
I suspect Gumby (appropriate name if based on IQ) is a p*ssed off II,II fan that are starting to realize that St Tommy is not quite the savior that they envisioned.
Pud
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 09, 2010, 05:55:04 PM
I suspect Gumby (appropriate name if based on IQ) is a p*ssed off II,II fan that are starting to realize that St Tommy is not quite the savior that they envisioned.
Most IU fans are happy. They are up big against Illinois right now and if they hang on, will be 2-1 in the Big Ten.
maybe it's time to find Pokey and get out of town.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 04:27:34 PM
They didn't even get a friggin' shot off!!!!
This isn't the first time that's happened with Williams. He's good at gameplanning, but CYO level at managing end-of-the-game situations.
Someone should do a recap of end of the half and end of the game situations under Buzz and see how often MU gets a decent shot off.
Send your coaching resume to Buzz. Maybe he will hire you as the "Assistant Coach in Charge of End of Game Situations"
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Most IU fans are happy. They are up big against Illinois right now and if they hang on, will be 2-1 in the Big Ten.
Total gag job in front of a home crowd.
You don't say.
It's never wise to crow when Crean's coaching -- no matter what the lead. I wonder if he bailed on his post game show... ::)
I agree - this thread is embarrasing. We just played the # 6 team twice, and the # 8 and 12 teams, won one, and lost the other three by a total of 5 points. After we lose JC, Otule and Maymon.
Buzz, and these guys, have kept us in these games.
I am sure most, if not all of you, saw the Connecticut/Georgetown game. Do you think the shot UConn got off was a great shot? I wouldn't say so. Do you think they will rip Jim Calhoun? Probably not. I back Buzz 100%. I believe there was another Marquette coach before Buzz who wasn't great at drawing up plays...
I'm sure there are many emotions that IU fans are feeling about now......I don't think happiness is one of them.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 09, 2010, 07:55:50 PM
Most IU fans are happy. They are up big against Illinois right now and if they hang on, will be 2-1 in the Big Ten.
What's the latest from Joyville?
You read the incendiary post and then look at the poster and a lot of the rest of it seems pretty predictable.
My question is, who goes Christmas shopping with their Mom?
Mea culpa. My chauvinism was showing there. I know chicks do it all the time.
NEWS FLASH PEOPLE:
Buzz is NOT the reason we:
1) Couldn't make a free-throw against Florida State.
2) Couldn't make a free-throw against West Virginia.
3) Couldn't make a free-throw against Villanova at home.
4) Turned the ball over with a chance to either tie it/take the lead.
(NC State game excused because we played horrible in the second half and deserved to lose and the Wisconsin game is excused because of how bad we started the game and we never deserved to win that game).
So people, quit acting like you know anything about basketball. Those 4 points I made about the team are true...none of those are Buzz's faults and if you guys think they are then you have mental problems.
I feel the need to seperate myself from what this thread turned out to be. I originally agreed to the initial post that Buzz's post game interview was not a good one. I was not commenting in any way about his coaching ability. If you actually heard the interview, there is no way you could not agree that it had the feel of a Michael Scott scene in The Office.
Homer was asking about the most important (and last possession) of the game where Butler turned the ball over. Buzz was insisting that Buycks missed a 3 pt shot on that possession. Buzz was starting to get pissed at Homer until he finally said he may be remembering it wrong. It was a little surreal but mostly just uncomfortable to listen to.
I had know idea thus thread was going to take the turns it did so I just wanted to extricate myself from the other comments.
Quote from: MU1984 on January 09, 2010, 04:56:18 PM
I say you planned well and meant well with this post, but in the end - you stunk at it.
Can we just be happy we seem to have a very, very competitive team this year?
+10
Quote from: MUrugger on January 10, 2010, 12:21:45 AM
You read the incendiary post and then look at the poster and a lot of the rest of it seems pretty predictable.
My question is, who goes Christmas shopping with their Mom?
Wow, I plead guilty. I must confess that I take my Mom out Christmas shopping every year and am extremely thankful that she's still around for me to do so.
Quote from: The Pickle on January 09, 2010, 09:56:07 PM
I am sure most, if not all of you, saw the Connecticut/Georgetown game. Do you think the shot UConn got off was a great shot? I wouldn't say so. Do you think they will rip Jim Calhoun? Probably not. I back Buzz 100%. I believe there was another Marquette coach before Buzz who wasn't great at drawing up plays...
A great shot, no.
But much, much better than what MU achieved on that last possession.
Every so often the Marquette blogs and comments become infested with people pretending to be supporters but constantly find negative fault with some detail of coaching or play. This just another one. Buzz was very definitive in stating his end of game approach. Take the first best shot available. If anyone can suggest that was a muddled approach, they are simply looking for a reason to criticize.
This team is performing much better than anyone could have dreamed with the losses of Junior, Otule and Maymon. Without Buzz at the lead I don't think we'd be anywhere close to the results we see almost every game. I certainly wouldn't want to be Providence.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 09, 2010, 04:34:28 PM
I could care less about PR. I just want a coach who can be successful at crunch time. A coach who knows what he's doing at the end of a close game and can communicate that to the players and get them to execute a play when needed. The shot doesn't have to go in, but get a good shot off.
If people are satisfied with a nice guy (and Buzz is a nice guy...met him at Williams Sonoma at Mayfair last Christmas...he just started talking to my Mom and myself while his wife did the Christmas shopping) that can't get his team over the hump in close games, then so be it. I'll take the jerk who wins.
Not surprised to hear you say you'd take the jerk who wins...as you are a major league jerk-off yourself.
Can I ask a simple question since this thread is bizarre.
Did Buzz ever get around to saying what the play was that was intended when we were down two points?
there wasn't a set play chico.
they were running their offense and looking to take the first, best shot.
just like they do on most every other possession of the game.
SIDE TOP SIDE - take the first best shot.
if you wanna "blame" somebody for the result of the possession - start with Mo Acker, then say hi to Jimmy Butler.
Quote from: muole on January 10, 2010, 12:54:24 PM
there wasn't a set play chico.
they were running their offense and looking to take the first, best shot.
just like they do on most every other possession of the game.
SIDE TOP SIDE - take the first best shot.
if you wanna "blame" somebody for the result of the possession - start with Mo Acker, then say hi to Jimmy Butler.
Thanks. I'm surprised there wasn't a set play, but perhaps with that much time left it's better to just get into the flow of the offense. Unfortunate results.
Quote from: gumbyandpokey on January 10, 2010, 09:56:48 AM
A great shot, no.
But much, much better than what MU achieved on that last possession.
I agree with you. I think the big thing for most people is not getting off a shot at all. That's really frustrating. You at least want to have a chance. Either way, I think we need to start playing 40 minutes and not put ourselves in these situations.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on January 10, 2010, 12:47:39 PM
Can I ask a simple question since this thread is bizarre.
Did Buzz ever get around to saying what the play was that was intended when we were down two points?
He described the EXACT plan/play in his media availability after the game. Not the Homer show mind you, but in the press conference afterwards.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on January 10, 2010, 01:48:17 PM
He described the EXACT plan/play in his media availability after the game. Not the Homer show mind you, but in the press conference afterwards.
Thanks, can you elaborate what it was. Haven't heard the details.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wyGG0SIbA0&feature=player_embedded
So it sounds like they ran the secondary option on the plan, but there was a plan. That makes more sense to me than there wasn't a plan.
Jimmy just turned it over.
Great game, nice come back, very unfortunate we didn't get the shot off but it sounds like they ran the secondary option and it didn't work out.
Bummer
Interesting comments from Buzz via Rosiak
Play of the game: From my vantage point -- I was seated about 10 feet away, and had a perfect view -- I thought Maurice Acker was more to blame for the game-deciding turnover with time winding down and MU trailing, 75-73.
Williams, who was shielded, thought it was more Butler's fault. And when I asked Butler about it after the game, he took responsibilty -- just as he did when he was going through his difficulties at the free-throw line (more on that later).
With nowhere to go on a drive, Acker fired a tough pass from close range in to Butler, who was posting near the right block. Butler managed to catch the pass but quickly fumbled it away while trying to pass to Hayward on the wing. Pena eventually came up with it, leading to his free throws.
"I was looking to pass it out -- that's why I tried to split the trap," Butler said. "I don't know what happened -- ball slipped, guy hit my arm. Doesn't matter, because Lazar's open in the corner, and that's who I was going to, because he was knocking it down. The ball just didn't do what I thought it was going to do. I lost control of it.
"Turnover, two free throws, game."