....per IWB.
Want to see Rosiak post it before I believe it
Cadougan cleared
Freshman Junior Cadougan, expected to challenge for the starting point-guard position as a freshman this season at MU, has been ruled academically eligible by the NCAA Clearinghouse, a men's basketball spokesman said on Wednesday afternoon.
Cadougan, 6 feet 1 inches and 205 pounds, is the second MU player to have received clearance in the past five days. Freshman center Youssoupha Mbao was ruled eligible Aug. 14.
Neither had been unable to attend summer school or work out with strength and conditioning coach Todd Smith, as the Clearinghouse worked through their cases. Cadougan's and Mbao's status as international students required extra scrutiny on behalf of the Clearinghouse as well as MU, which had been working furiously behind the scenes to provide all the necessary documentation on both.
http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/53727197.html
WOOHOOO!!
Now onto Midnight Madness!!
Big sigh of relief.
Now the team's together, let's get it going!
I wasn't afraid of him not getting cleared, just when he would get cleared. At least he has a week to adjust to the routine before classes start.
Ginormous!! ;D
GREAT, GREAT NEWS!
things are starting to fall into place finally
HIGH FIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this mean everything is ok and he is cleared to play basketball? Or is there another step to it like with Mbao? Both are now academically eligible.
Great news. Now, can we keep our fingers crossed that next year we don't have to do this again? What's it been now, 3 years in a row waiting on the Clearinghouse?
Quote from: thanooj on August 19, 2009, 04:55:07 PM
HIGH FIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!
Does this mean everything is ok and he is cleared to play basketball? Or is there another step to it like with Mbao? Both are now academically eligible.
He is set. Cadougan never played on a pro team.
Bigtime!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
Great news. Now, can we keep our fingers crossed that next year we don't have to do this again? What's it been now, 3 years in a row waiting on the Clearinghouse?
No kidding...gotta keep things interesting.
Teams in place, now onto Midnight Madness. Once September hits, it finally seems close!
This is great news. Let the season begin.
Final Four/National Championship here we come. This is the year the name Buzz Williams becomes a household name in college basketball.
Great (and unexpectedly quick) news! Optimism reigns supreme!
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on August 19, 2009, 05:53:24 PM
Final Four/National Championship here we come. This is the year the name Buzz Williams becomes a household name in college basketball.
Wow! You thinking these guys will play like the fab 5 or something?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
Great news. Now, can we keep our fingers crossed that next year we don't have to do this again? What's it been now, 3 years in a row waiting on the Clearinghouse?
This is actually year 4 - Lazar in 06, Mbakwe in 07, ? in 08 and Mbao and Junior this year. Unless MU decides no more prep school or foreign players the tradition will continue.
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 19, 2009, 04:25:03 PM
WOOHOOO!!
Now onto Midnight Madness!!
+1
START THE COUNTDOWN!
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on August 19, 2009, 07:02:35 PM
+1
START THE COUNTDOWN!
I started it months ago (see the "Is it October Yet?" box...) Of course, that's been assuming it's on 10/30. Best I can tell, it's supposed to be the Friday closest to October 15 (so, that would be 10/16). However, Marquette's midterm Exams start on Oct 15, and then they're immediately followed by midterm break on 10/22, leaving the "best" Friday for Marquette Madness as 10/30. Though I don't think it's been officially published yet.
Nonetheless no more than 72 days to go :)
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 19, 2009, 06:57:42 PM
This is actually year 4 - Lazar in 06, Mbakwe in 07, ? in 08 and Mbao and Junior this year. Unless MU decides no more prep school or foreign players the tradition will continue.
There's a bit of me that is bummed out about it. There are plenty of programs I wish we aspired to that don't have these yearly waits and are still doing very well on the basketball court.
Can't wait to watch the new team come together!
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
Great news. Now, can we keep our fingers crossed that next year we don't have to do this again? What's it been now, 3 years in a row waiting on the Clearinghouse?
chicos again stating his complete ignorance...if Buzz signs another international players we will most certainly be waiting on the Clearinghouse.
Cadogan and Mbao are the only two freshman that have passed the clearinghouse the others have yet to pass but do not need to pass to go to summer school like the internationals do.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
There's a bit of me that is bummed out about it. There are plenty of programs I wish we aspired to that don't have these yearly waits and are still doing very well on the basketball court.
what a fool ^
CAdougan was a great student but being an international this was inevitable. I for one and i am sure i am not alone want Buzz to sign the best players available, if that menas they miss the summer because they are internationals then so be it. Lazar seems worth it to me. additioanlly i dont believe in the slightest that these clearinghouse issues have tarnished MUs reputation. Now maybe if these guys were not ultimately passing the Clearinghouse that would be a different story...yet what it shows me is the MU academic department si incredibly thorough and we are signing guys that we know will ultimately pass and more importantly will ultimately graduate!!
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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 07:51:06 PM
There's a bit of me that is bummed out about it. There are plenty of programs I wish we aspired to that don't have these yearly waits and are still doing very well on the basketball court.
Whenever you trumpet TC, isn't your mantra always "give me a guy who recruits players that stay off the police blotter and graduate and you'll be happy?" Junior and Mbao were much different cases than Lazar of Mbakwe (both of who TC recruited by the way) in that they got flagged by the clearinghouse because they were internationals, not due to the fact they went to a prep school or took classes that the NCAA may or may not think were a bit shady (at least that's how I understand it). If MU recruited the next Dirk Nowitzki they would have to jump through the same hoops as they are internationals. I don't believe you voiced this concern when Lazar and Trevor were going through the clearinghouse. Why was that?
This TC stuff should just stop (if thats ever possible). People have just drawn sides, either you loved Tom Crean and will defend him to the death, or you hate his guts. There really isn't any in between and for a large number of people on this board it skews every bit of news which comes out, ie Caduogan getting cleared.
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 19, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
Whenever you trumpet TC, isn't your mantra always "give me a guy who recruits players that stay off the police blotter and graduate and you'll be happy?" Junior and Mbao were much different cases than Lazar of Mbakwe (both of who TC recruited by the way) in that they got flagged by the clearinghouse because they were internationals, not due to the fact they went to a prep school or took classes that the NCAA may or may not think were a bit shady (at least that's how I understand it). If MU recruited the next Dirk Nowitzki they would have to jump through the same hoops as they are internationals. I don't believe you voiced this concern when Lazar and Trevor were going through the clearinghouse. Why was that?
Actually I did voice concern in the past and that's also why I re-voiced that concern today and included Crean in the chronology. I'm sorry for wishing we didn't have to go through this each year. Some school named UW-Madison, who has had a hell of a great run the last 9 years, has had to go through this what, one time in the last 10 years that I recall? We seem to make it an annual junkit, whether it's Crean or Buzz or whomever. And most assuredly, this started under Crean. It is what it is, but I wish it wasn't. That's all. It's not bad, but I wish we didn't have to go through it what seems like each year of late.
Mbao's prep school has had issues with the NCAA as a potential diploma mill. Perhaps he was only flagged due to his foreign background, or perhaps it was a bit of extra due diligence into his prep school. Who knows.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be cheering as hard as I can for this team, but I'd be lying if I didn't say it would be nice to get a class in that didn't have to go through all the red tape, whether it be because of their foreign backgrounds or a prep school they went to. That's all, nothing sinister. And yes, that's why if they stay off the police blotter, play hard, win and graduate, I'll be happy. But I'll be happier not having to wait through this process every year. :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Don't get me wrong, I'll be cheering as hard as I can for this team, but I'd be lying if I didn't say it would be nice to get a class in that didn't have to go through all the red tape, whether it be because of their foreign backgrounds or a prep school they went to. That's all, nothing sinister. And yes, that's why if they stay off the police blotter, play hard, win and graduate, I'll be happy. But I'll be happier not having to wait through this process every year. :D
I guess I'm confused (not an altogether uncommon experience for me), but why is it bothersome if MU has some recruits who, for various reasons, need to go through the clearinghouse? Is the process too stressful? Do you believe that it's harmful to Marquette's reputation that they recruit a prep school player, like just about every other program in the country? Or an international player? Is it draining Marquette resources that should be utilized in other ways?
I'm not trying to be rhetorical here, just trying to understand why you view it as a negative thing. And obviously you do, given that people typically would not say they wish they didn't have to go through positive experiences.
Good question Pakuni. It depends on the situation.
In instances when the prep school has a sullied reputation, it's more of just disappointment of having to go through the process. Is there something that will come out to tarnish the university or the program? Can these kids survive at school or will they be like Alton Mason? What are they checking out? Did they take sham courses or is it simply a clerical situation?
In a situation where they may have played on a semi-professional team, it's more of a stressful feeling. Will they be cleared? How far behind will they be due to missed workouts and practice time? Was it a matter of playing on a team but not being paid? Are they truly amateurs?
Do I think it can have an affect on MU's image? I don't know. Certainly rival fans will use it against us, it just feeds them and it's an easy ball to hit out of the park. Will the average person care? Unlikely....unless something bad comes of it and people start making a linkage.
I know, I'm an old fuddy-duddy that isn't up to today's ways of the world. Well, plenty of other schools seem to have very fine programs and aren't on the yearly Clearinghouse thumbs up or thumbs down circuit. That doesn't mean I think we should be like Duke or Stanford. On the other hand, I wish it was happening less frequently. That's all.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 19, 2009, 09:22:22 PM
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LOL, thanks Pakuni.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Actually I did voice concern in the past and that's also why I re-voiced that concern today and included Crean in the chronology. I'm sorry for wishing we didn't have to go through this each year. Some school named UW-Madison, who has had a hell of a great run the last 9 years, has had to go through this what, one time in the last 10 years that I recall? We seem to make it an annual junkit, whether it's Crean or Buzz or whomever. And most assuredly, this started under Crean. It is what it is, but I wish it wasn't. That's all. It's not bad, but I wish we didn't have to go through it what seems like each year of late.
Mbao's prep school has had issues with the NCAA as a potential diploma mill. Perhaps he was only flagged due to his foreign background, or perhaps it was a bit of extra due diligence into his prep school. Who knows.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be cheering as hard as I can for this team, but I'd be lying if I didn't say it would be nice to get a class in that didn't have to go through all the red tape, whether it be because of their foreign backgrounds or a prep school they went to. That's all, nothing sinister. And yes, that's why if they stay off the police blotter, play hard, win and graduate, I'll be happy. But I'll be happier not having to wait through this process every year. :D
Thanks Abe...
Quote from: jmayer1 on August 19, 2009, 09:38:57 PM
Whenever you trumpet TC, isn't your mantra always "give me a guy who recruits players that stay off the police blotter and graduate and you'll be happy?" Junior and Mbao were much different cases than Lazar of Mbakwe (both of who TC recruited by the way) in that they got flagged by the clearinghouse because they were internationals, not due to the fact they went to a prep school or took classes that the NCAA may or may not think were a bit shady (at least that's how I understand it). If MU recruited the next Dirk Nowitzki they would have to jump through the same hoops as they are internationals. I don't believe you voiced this concern when Lazar and Trevor were going through the clearinghouse. Why was that?
Didn't Cadougan go to school in the US for 3-4 years? His being flagged by the NCAA was just as likely a result of the the school he attended in Tx.
Hard to believe Cadougan's HS transcript would merit a 2nd look. I would think his other classmate could just vouch for the school's credentials.
Let's be very clear about why Buzz was hired. This is why Buzz was hired. If MU is to compete with the likes of UConn, Louisville, Syracuse, etc., it is going to require a bit of creativity. With that creativity will come some additional challenges. No doubt some recruits will wash out, just as they did under Crean, Deane, O'Neill...That's just they way it is and the numbers dictate it is almost necessarily so. It is what needs to be done,and it is obviously being done with the full blessing of the University. If guys start bombing out at an unusually high rate, or a few of them don't make it through, that is a different question, but until that happens, I don't see this as much of an issue at all.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2009, 12:20:00 AM
Good question Pakuni. It depends on the situation.
In instances when the prep school has a sullied reputation, it's more of just disappointment of having to go through the process. Is there something that will come out to tarnish the university or the program? Can these kids survive at school or will they be like Alton Mason? What are they checking out? Did they take sham courses or is it simply a clerical situation?
In a situation where they may have played on a semi-professional team, it's more of a stressful feeling. Will they be cleared? How far behind will they be due to missed workouts and practice time? Was it a matter of playing on a team but not being paid? Are they truly amateurs?
Do I think it can have an affect on MU's image? I don't know. Certainly rival fans will use it against us, it just feeds them and it's an easy ball to hit out of the park. Will the average person care? Unlikely....unless something bad comes of it and people start making a linkage.
I know, I'm an old fuddy-duddy that isn't up to today's ways of the world. Well, plenty of other schools seem to have very fine programs and aren't on the yearly Clearinghouse thumbs up or thumbs down circuit. That doesn't mean I think we should be like Duke or Stanford. On the other hand, I wish it was happening less frequently. That's all.
Why should anyone care what "opposing fans will use against us?" And as for Duke, I think you need to relook at the exceptions they make for their basketball program. William Avery and Corey Maggette aren't exactly scholars.
Quote from: Doris Burkes Thong on August 19, 2009, 05:53:24 PM
Final Four/National Championship here we come. This is the year the name Buzz Williams becomes a household name in college basketball.
HA! A little optimistic wouldn't you say? And I thought my glass is half full... your glass is full and spilling over!
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 20, 2009, 09:00:05 AM
Why should anyone care what "opposing fans will use against us?" And as for Duke, I think you need to relook at the exceptions they make for their basketball program. William Avery and Corey Maggette aren't exactly scholars.
Didn't Duke have a player a few years ago who wanted to transfer to Illinois but couldn't get admitted?
Cabougan went to his high school to get into a better environment, according to his mom. He stayed and seems to have excelled academically. Mbao is more complicated, but if McMorrow was healthy, we never would have picked up Mbao. Frankly, I think that Buzz and co are to be commended for having a 7'2" plan B when Liam went down. Also, the staff is to be commended for staying on it and (apparently) nagging the NCAA to take care of these issues quickly. As I wrote in a different thread, in a perfect world, we would get a four star PG, Wing and Big evey year and they would all be academic all Americans who tithe. I think that once again, Buzz and co have handled a tricky situation with class.
Quote from: dennycrane on August 20, 2009, 05:30:38 AM
Didn't Cadougan go to school in the US for 3-4 years? His being flagged by the NCAA was just as likely a result of the the school he attended in Tx.
wrong!
Junior was not flagged....Juniors situation had nothing to do with his school. The NCAA rules have changed....they now state that any international student...Junior is canadian.....must pass the clearinghouse before receiving financial aid...ie summer school or room and board. That is the rule! no matter what chicos wants to insinuate it had 0% to do with what school they attended and 100% to do with their passpsorts.
Maymon, Roseboro, and Willimas have not passed the Clearinghouse yet, however, the NCAA allows them to receive benefits before they are cleared. The only 2 new comers into the Mu program at this time that have passed the Clearing house are Cadougan and Mbao. the others may face a situation similar to what LAzar faced in amonth or two if their reviews have red flags.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Actually I did voice concern in the past and that's also why I re-voiced that concern today and included Crean in the chronology. I'm sorry for wishing we didn't have to go through this each year. Some school named UW-Madison, who has had a hell of a great run the last 9 years, has had to go through this what, one time in the last 10 years that I recall? We seem to make it an annual junkit, whether it's Crean or Buzz or whomever. And most assuredly, this started under Crean. It is what it is, but I wish it wasn't. That's all. It's not bad, but I wish we didn't have to go through it what seems like each year of late.
And yet, they've had more kids that couldn't hack it academically in college and were suspended because of grades in that same period.
Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on August 20, 2009, 09:12:44 AM
Maymon, Roseboro, and Willimas have not passed the Clearinghouse yet, however, the NCAA allows them to receive benefits before they are cleared. The only 2 new comers into the Mu program at this time that have passed the Clearing house are Cadougan and Mbao. the others may face a situation similar to what LAzar faced in amonth or two if their reviews have red flags.
Maymon, Rosboro and Williams are paying their own room and board while on campus this summer? Lazar had to pay before he was cleared if I remember correctly.
Chicos just a.) needs something to complain about and b.) has a raging UW complex in that he actually cares what their fans think about MU almost or just as much as MU's W/L record.
Abe had a good comment on the JSonline blog (if you can believe it)
"with caudigan in the fold there will be no cups (or plates) half full or empty"...lol
he is a haus, im xcited to see him bully corey fisher around the floor. :D
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 19, 2009, 10:51:45 PM
Actually I did voice concern in the past and that's also why I re-voiced that concern today and included Crean in the chronology. I'm sorry for wishing we didn't have to go through this each year. Some school named UW-Madison, who has had a hell of a great run the last 9 years, has had to go through this what, one time in the last 10 years that I recall? We seem to make it an annual junkit, whether it's Crean or Buzz or whomever. And most assuredly, this started under Crean. It is what it is, but I wish it wasn't. That's all. It's not bad, but I wish we didn't have to go through it what seems like each year of late.
Mbao's prep school has had issues with the NCAA as a potential diploma mill. Perhaps he was only flagged due to his foreign background, or perhaps it was a bit of extra due diligence into his prep school. Who knows.
Don't get me wrong, I'll be cheering as hard as I can for this team, but I'd be lying if I didn't say it would be nice to get a class in that didn't have to go through all the red tape, whether it be because of their foreign backgrounds or a prep school they went to. That's all, nothing sinister. And yes, that's why if they stay off the police blotter, play hard, win and graduate, I'll be happy. But I'll be happier not having to wait through this process every year. :D
I agree that I would rather not got through it every year, I just didn't remember you voicing concerns when TC's guys had to do it (and was way too lazy to look back and find it). Thanks for clarifying your position.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 20, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Maymon, Rosboro and Williams are paying their own room and board while on campus this summer? Lazar had to pay before he was cleared if I remember correctly.
Lazar had to pay once the semester started, but somehow summer school and living on campus during the summer is different.
The clearinghouse needs to be more efficient and change some of the rules that are hurting the kids both academically and athletically. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What are the negatives about allowing international students participate in school and basketball prior to being cleared? If they aren't cleared, they can't play in games anyway. It is red tape and ridiculous.
Doesn't MU have one of the highest graduation rates among athletes across the nation??? So who cares if the clearing house has to research their legitimacy...I think MU's track record speaks for itself.
Besides, Marquette has programs like FFP and i believe EOP that allows kids with substandard grades or ACT/SAT scores to come to Marquette....and there are studies that prove that they go on to be just as successful as those who were accepted outright. I know this because I was one of the underachievers accepted to the FFP program and I'm grateful.
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on August 20, 2009, 10:43:42 AM
The clearinghouse needs to be more efficient and change some of the rules that are hurting the kids both academically and athletically. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What are the negatives about allowing international students participate in school and basketball prior to being cleared? If they aren't cleared, they can't play in games anyway. It is red tape and ridiculous.
The problem has to do with the way some conferences are. There are rules in some places that prevent you from allowing non-qualifiers to enroll, and make them permanently ineligible at your institution if you do allow them in.
Take the Big 12 and what happened to Roburt Sullie as an an example. He committed to Nebraska, and was going to audit a class so that when he was cleared he could officially enroll. But the registrar screwed up and had him as an official enrollee despite his not be cleared yet. A few weeks later, it was determined that he was not a qualifier, and thus couldn't stay at Nebraska. Not only that, but he couldn't come back to Nebraksa or any other Big 12 school once he became eligible a year later because of the way the Big 12's rules are. Eventually he ended up at Memphis.
Because of situations and rules like that, the NCAA tries to hold people out until they can officially get them cleared.
Quote from: muarmy81 on August 20, 2009, 04:59:29 AM
Thanks Abe...
Ouch. By the way, is that guy still around?
Quote from: bma725 on August 20, 2009, 09:18:56 AM
And yet, they've had more kids that couldn't hack it academically in college and were suspended because of grades in that same period.
Very true and good point.
Quote from: Ready2Fly on August 20, 2009, 10:12:54 AM
Chicos just a.) needs something to complain about and b.) has a raging UW complex in that he actually cares what their fans think about MU almost or just as much as MU's W/L record.
You nailed it, you always do. I'm sorry for wanting our program to win without any questions, it's such a horrible goal to strive for. I wish we could be more like Memphis than Stanford...that will be my new mantra. ;) (and no, I'm not saying we are like Memphis)
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on August 20, 2009, 10:43:42 AM
The clearinghouse needs to be more efficient and change some of the rules that are hurting the kids both academically and athletically. If they did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. What are the negatives about allowing international students participate in school and basketball prior to being cleared? If they aren't cleared, they can't play in games anyway. It is red tape and ridiculous.
I think you are being a little overblown here. As bma pointed out, just letting them in without a thorough review isn't a good thing. And secondly, what did they really miss? A few pick up games over the summer. No biggie in the grand scheme.
The clearninghouse is busy with fall sports. I'm glad they got them in prior to the semester starting.
Quote from: esotericmindguy on August 20, 2009, 11:06:49 AM
Doesn't MU have one of the highest graduation rates among athletes across the nation??? So who cares if the clearing house has to research their legitimacy...I think MU's track record speaks for itself.
Besides, Marquette has programs like FFP and i believe EOP that allows kids with substandard grades or ACT/SAT scores to come to Marquette....and there are studies that prove that they go on to be just as successful as those who were accepted outright. I know this because I was one of the underachievers accepted to the FFP program and I'm grateful.
Yes, we do. What's tricky about that, however, is that it's only in the last 4 years that we've had all these Clearinghouse issues and so none of those kids have matriculated through the system to see if any impact on graduation rates happens. If all these kids get through, then no big deal. To me, graduation rates is big and I've stated it here many times. Win, graduate, no NCAA rules violations, and no police blotter issues and I'll be happy. If graduation rates suffer, then I think it's something we have to look at (depending on how severe, but until that data comes through we won't know....just speculation).
I think this is the 3 Clearinghouse Issue in 4 years; Lazar in 2006, Mbakwe in 2007, no one in 2008 and then Mbao and Cadougan this year.
I was more afraid of Mbakwe getting past the Clearinghouse then either Mbao and Cadougan.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I can't think of anyone having a Clearinghouse issue until Lazar. But I also think the high school basketball landscape has changed so much in the last 10 years.
Didn't Liam have to be cleared last year coming from Canada?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 20, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
Didn't Liam have to be cleared last year coming from Canada?
He HAD to get cleared, but was there an issue/hold up with him. I don't recall being on pins and needles waiting to hear if he was going to get cleared before classes started.
From Todd's article on Junoir and Yous: (http://from%20todd's%20article%20on%20junoir%20and%20yous:)
"That's the thing with the new rule; not to justify Junior or Yous, but the new rule in general relative to international students...we had four domestic kids on campus this summer. None of them were certified. Kids graduate June 10, June 12, summer school starts here 10 business days later. There's no possible way the Clearinghouse can process not just Marquette's basketball guys, but all the basketball guys."
Seems that this rule is new and didn't hold McMorrow up last year.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
Yes, we do. What's tricky about that, however, is that it's only in the last 4 years that we've had all these Clearinghouse issues and so none of those kids have matriculated through the system to see if any impact on graduation rates happens. If all these kids get through, then no big deal. To me, graduation rates is big and I've stated it here many times. Win, graduate, no NCAA rules violations, and no police blotter issues and I'll be happy. If graduation rates suffer, then I think it's something we have to look at (depending on how severe, but until that data comes through we won't know....just speculation).
"Let's matriculate the ball down the field, boys."
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 20, 2009, 12:12:45 PM
Didn't Liam have to be cleared last year coming from Canada?
I believe he did have to be cleared, but we were planning on redshirting him because he had to sit out a year anyway, so I don't think anyone was waiting around to see if he would clear like we did with Mbao and Cadougan.
McMorrow wasn't being redshirted. He had to sit out a year since the NCAA viewed him as a transfer.
I know he had to sit out a year because of transfer, however, didn't we redshirt him so he wouldn't lose that year of eligibility?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 20, 2009, 10:12:34 AM
Maymon, Rosboro and Williams are paying their own room and board while on campus this summer? Lazar had to pay before he was cleared if I remember correctly.
NO!! american recruits are allowed to receive aid before passing the clearinghouse, internationals are not.
hence the issue bUZZ has and the problem with the rule is that winter athletes are not priority over fall athletes at hte clearinghouse and therefore bball kids are miisng the summer if they are foreigners
You can't loose a year of eligibility if you aren't eligible to play. Regardless, McMorrow would have had 3 years of eligibility after sitting out last year.
I was wrong, reading this Rosiak Blog from June 2008 it says he was just being redshirted. nothing about sitting out due to a transfer issue. (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31872479.html)
but if he didn't redshirt, he would have only had two years of eligibility left - athletes can redshirt their transfer year (if they have not previously redshirted), so they can maintain 4 full years of eligibility. (at least this is my understanding - if anyone knows better, please inform).
Regardless, we were not waiting to hear about McMorrow because he was sitting out a year due to transfer.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 20, 2009, 11:58:11 AM
Yes, we do. What's tricky about that, however, is that it's only in the last 4 years that we've had all these Clearinghouse issues and so none of those kids have matriculated through the system to see if any impact on graduation rates happens. If all these kids get through, then no big deal. To me, graduation rates is big and I've stated it here many times. Win, graduate, no NCAA rules violations, and no police blotter issues and I'll be happy. If graduation rates suffer, then I think it's something we have to look at (depending on how severe, but until that data comes through we won't know....just speculation).
I think we need to be careful about waving our graduation rate flag. More than anything, a 100 percent graduation rate that includes students who were barely cutting it in high school is grounds for questioning what is going on at MU. I expect we're not pushing kids through for a statistic, but I wouldn't put it past our previous administration and I suspect our current one doesn't have the heft to do something like that.
Quote from: copious1218 on August 20, 2009, 12:38:25 PM
but if he didn't redshirt, he would have only had two years of eligibility left - athletes can redshirt their transfer year (if they have not previously redshirted), so they can maintain 4 full years of eligibility. (at least this is my understanding - if anyone knows better, please inform).
Regardless, we were not waiting to hear about McMorrow because he was sitting out a year due to transfer.
1 - You're understanding is incorrect. The year you sit out as a transfer is automatically a redshirt year and you don't lose any eligibility for it. McMorrow did not chose to redshirt, nor did he chose to sit, he was forced to sit out because of NCAA transfer regulations.
2 - We weren't waiting to here on McMorrow because at the same time we found out about him coming, we found out he would have to sit out a year as a transfer student. The waiting with him was not eligibility related, and it occurred before any fan had heard about him.
Somebody through the 'Abe' bomb at the wrong guy. PRN, these kids want to play ball. They know to play ball, they have to get grades. MU provides the best academic support it possibly can to (A) keep them eligible, (B) help them graduate. Most other universities do the same, and yet they still have players fall through the cracks. For a very long time, MU hasn't. Wear that as a badge of honor. Playing by the same rules as everyone else, our graduation rate remains 100%. I believe with all of my heart that MU woud rather flunk a guy or kick him off the team or have him transfer to a better fit, oreven refuse to admit a more talented player than some others due to academic concerns(Mortenson, Amo, Bell, Matthews, Christian, Hazel, Acker, Saunders) than be seen as a a diploma mill that just wants to win. There are just too many examples of MU putting its academic integrity first. Are there easy majors? Sure. Is there an abundance of tutoring available? You betcha. Same as everywhere else. 100%
Quote from: bma725 on August 20, 2009, 01:00:12 PM
1 - You're understanding is incorrect. The year you sit out as a transfer is automatically a redshirt year and you don't lose any eligibility for it. McMorrow did not chose to redshirt, nor did he chose to sit, he was forced to sit out because of NCAA transfer regulations.
2 - We weren't waiting to here on McMorrow because at the same time we found out about him coming, we found out he would have to sit out a year as a transfer student. The waiting with him was not eligibility related, and it occurred before any fan had heard about him.
I'm not sure how I am incorrect then, as you said the same thing I did (maybe I'm not writing what I'm thinking). I know McMorrow did not choose to redshirt, I know he did not choose to sit, and I know he had to sit because he was a transfer student.
I guess my question is this, besides for medical reasons, can you redshirt more than one year???? I don't think you can. So if a player has previously used a redshirt, and then transfers, the year the player sits out due to the transfer cannot be redshirted, right?
Quote from: lurch91 on August 20, 2009, 12:32:09 PM
You can't loose a year of eligibility if you aren't eligible to play. Regardless, McMorrow would have had 3 years of eligibility after sitting out last year.
I was wrong, reading this Rosiak Blog from June 2008 it says he was just being redshirted. nothing about sitting out due to a transfer issue. (http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/31872479.html)
Lurch,
I think you were right - he sat out due to transfer, but it is my understanding that MU choose to redshirt him because they could and if they did not, the year he sat out would take away a year of eligibility.
I THOUGHT he was a transfer student, but can't find it in Rosiak's blogs anywhere. The Blog I did link does mention how many years he'd have left after arrivign at Marquette.
It's all a little murky now.......
Quote from: copious1218 on August 20, 2009, 01:09:14 PM
Lurch,
I think you were right - he sat out due to transfer, but it is my understanding that MU choose to redshirt him because they could and if they did not, the year he sat out would take away a year of eligibility.
Transfer years don't take away eligibility except in extreme cases(like intra conference in some conferences). Look at Fitzgerald. He had three years left at Tulane, transferred to MU and sat out a year, still had three years left.
Secondly, any time you sit out a year, the NCAA considers it a redshirt. Whether you are doing it because you choose to do it, or because of a transfer situation, or for medical reasons, they call it a redshirt year.
Quote from: lurch91 on August 20, 2009, 01:21:26 PM
I THOUGHT he was a transfer student, but can't find it in Rosiak's blogs anywhere. The Blog I did link does mention how many years he'd have left after arrivign at Marquette.
It's all a little murky now.......
He was a transfer from Durham College in Canada. Played there as a freshman, then transferred to MU, leaving him three years of eligibility.
Quote from: bma725 on August 20, 2009, 01:41:37 PM
Transfer years don't take away eligibility except in extreme cases(like intra conference in some conferences). Look at Fitzgerald. He had three years left at Tulane, transferred to MU and sat out a year, still had three years left.
Secondly, any time you sit out a year, the NCAA considers it a redshirt. Whether you are doing it because you choose to do it, or because of a transfer situation, or for medical reasons, they call it a redshirt year.
so you can just redshirt as many times as you want without repercussions?
Good God folks, just call each other, and settle this. This thread makes my brain hurt.
Let's all be happy that our young men can play college basketball at Marquette. Hopefully they will be good at it.
Quote from: copious1218 on August 20, 2009, 01:51:52 PM
so you can just redshirt as many times as you want without repercussions?
No, you get 5 years to play 4 years of sports. So you have one redshirt year to use which can be used for academic reasons, developmental reasons, transfer, injury etc.
If it was medical you do have the option to appeal and they can grant you an extra playing year, but only if you played less than a certain portion of your schedule before your injury occurred.
I know - I should have used teal for that question, all I was trying to say is if you have used your redshirt BEFORE you transfer, then you CANNOT redshirt your transfer year and it would come out of the 4 years you have to play (unless you can appeal for medical reason). Anyway, I think we're on the same page and its simply a matter of interpretation as translation can get lost on blogs.
Having said that - great to hear Cadougan cleared and hope he's on campus soon. And here's to hoping Mbao's amateur issue gets settled soon.
Have a great day everyone.
Quote from: copious1218 on August 20, 2009, 02:36:39 PM
translation can get lost on blogs.
You're on a forum.
Cracked Sidewalks (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/) is a blog... albeit an atypical blog since it has more than one author, but that's neither here nor there.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on August 20, 2009, 03:13:11 PM
You're on a forum.
Cracked Sidewalks (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/) is a blog... albeit an atypical blog since it has more than one author, but that's neither here nor there.
Thank you for clearing that up
Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on August 20, 2009, 11:57:41 AM
I think you are being a little overblown here. As bma pointed out, just letting them in without a thorough review isn't a good thing. And secondly, what did they really miss? A few pick up games over the summer. No biggie in the grand scheme.
The clearninghouse is busy with fall sports. I'm glad they got them in prior to the semester starting.
Personally I think they missed a lot by not being on campus and getting used to a new setting prior to the fall semester. I agree that it shouldn't hurt them overall in the "grand scheme" for their entire college careers, but it puts them behind for their first year on campus. I believe they should still go under review, but be allowed to be on campus while they are waiting the process. If Marquette believes they should have no problem clearing the review process, what's the negative? This would allow them to look at football first as you mentioned and then move on to basketball.
Quote from: Rollout-the-Barrel on August 20, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
Personally I think they missed a lot by not being on campus and getting used to a new setting prior to the fall semester. I agree that it shouldn't hurt them overall in the "grand scheme" for their entire college careers, but it puts them behind for their first year on campus. I believe they should still go under review, but be allowed to be on campus while they are waiting the process. If Marquette believes they should have no problem clearing the review process, what's the negative? This would allow them to look at football first as you mentioned and then move on to basketball.
Please please please, lets not turn this missed 2 months of SUMMER into a patented Tom Crean built in excuse. If we suck next year I'm sure we can come up with a flu excuse. We don't need the missed excuse.
Quote from: The Lens on August 20, 2009, 10:33:00 PM
Please please please, lets not turn this missed 2 months of SUMMER into a patented Tom Crean built in excuse. If we suck next year I'm sure we can come up with a flu excuse. We don't need the missed excuse.
Cosign +1000000. As soon as I heard "player X missing summer" .. I thought "well, there's your excuse for the year."
I'm just annoyed by the rule. I'm not smart enough to lay ground work for future excuses. ;)
im sorry, im gonna feel like an idiot...but what does IWB stand for? I keep seeing it as a source for a lot of this news but I can't figure out what it is. Thanks.
Its a nickname....stands for Irritated White Boy.
Quote from: MuMark on August 21, 2009, 03:31:20 PM
Its a nickname....stands for Irritated White Boy.
Didn't that get changed on Sports Bubbler to Irritated Wisconsin Boy? I can't imagine Irritated White Boy would be tolerated in today's PC age, especially at a place like the JS. I hope it still stands for Irritated White Boy, that was his original monicker and hopefully they let him keep it that way.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on August 21, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
Didn't that get changed on Sports Bubbler to Irritated Wisconsin Boy? I can't imagine Irritated White Boy would be tolerated in today's PC age, especially at a place like the JS. I hope it still stands for Irritated White Boy, that was his original monicker and hopefully they let him keep it that way.
He could always simply change the meaning of "white" from skin color to the non-yolk portion of an egg. :)
Quote from: Marquette84 on August 21, 2009, 05:43:08 PM
He could always simply change the meaning of "white" from skin color to the non-yolk portion of an egg. :)
White means skin color? I guess he could call himself Irritated 100% Reflective Boy -- I1RB? Irritated Light Grey Boy (ILGB)? I met him though, I and definitely wouldn't call him Irritated Fresh Snow Boy (IFSB).
A color without hue at one extreme end of the scale of grays, opposite to black. A white surface reflects light of all hues completely and diffusely. Most so-called whites are very light grays: fresh snow, for example, reflects about 80 percent of the incident light, but to be strictly white, snow would have to reflect 100 percent of the incident light. It is the ultimate limit of a series of shades of any color.