Lots of Cincy players would make this list. Had Dontonio Wingfield stuck around longer at UC, he might have been #1.
But Danny Fortson is it for me.
That guy just killed down low.
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he was a beast, and we actually had good size then.
Quote from: 77ncaachamps on December 24, 2008, 06:38:16 PM
Lots of Cincy players would make this list. Had Dontonio Wingfield stuck around longer at UC, he might have been #1.
But Danny Fortson is it for me.
That guy just killed down low.
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Bob Dukiet was public enemy #1 followed closely by Father Al DiUlio.
;)
From a basketball player perspective, it was probably anyone of the Irish leftovers that had career games against us each year.
Donald Little and Kenyon Martin at UC and Reece Gaines at U of L.
John Shumate, Notre Dame, and anyone else wearing a cloverleaf.
Anyone with that red W. I aggressively booed and heckled a friend of mine from high school who came to the Al while suiting up for the Lady Badgers.
I also forgot about the ref who called 3 phantom fouls on D Wade in 2001 during the WI game.
Kenyon Martin...hands down!
(http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk157/chelsi_6/kenyon%20martin/unt.jpg)
and this guy...
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k207/thedukeofcool/bob-huggins-is-a-pimp.jpg)
Tough to say. There were the usual suspects like Donald Little and Reece Gaines, but for me the guys I hated the most were from Charlotte, Jobey Thomas and Che Guevera. Not sure why, just really didn't like either of them.
Hands down Kenyon Martin. Honorable mentions go to Reece Gaines, Francisco Garcia and Brian Butch.
Quote from: McHenryWarrior on December 25, 2008, 12:08:10 AM
Hands down Kenyon Martin. Honorable mentions go to Reece Gaines, Francisco Garcia and Brian Butch.
+1
Jerry Smith, Francisco Garcia, Jobey Thomas, Ed Hightower.... but the winner is Tim Higgins.
Merry Christmas to all... except those listed above.
Who would you say killed us the most last year?
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on December 24, 2008, 07:19:09 PM
Bob Dukiet was public enemy #1 followed closely by Father Al DiUlio.
;)
From a basketball player perspective, it was probably anyone of the Irish leftovers that had career games against us each year.
Why limit it to the Irish? Everyone had careers games when Dukiet was coach.
<sigh>
Dwight Clay of Notre Dame with his dagger to end MU's long home winning streak in the 1970's. (slighty after my time, but close enough...).
This one is easy for me: Kelly Tripucka. Notre Dame.
Adolph Rupp at Kentucky.
When Al sent the Warriors over before tip off to shake hands, he turned his back.
David Rivers, Rod Strickland, Bob Dukiet, Jeffrey Dahmer (though we were unaware what he was doing until after I graduated)
Kenyon Martin and the guy from cinci that punched cordell in the nuts.
K-mart and the thugs from Cincy
Digger Phelps
Have to go with Adolph Rupp. A classless creep. Beating his ass at Madison during the NCAA's my freshman year still brings tears to my eyes. Later on I learned to hate Dwight Clay, the NCAA Tournament committee that gave Niorth Carolina State five games in the state of Carolina in 1974, the ref who threw Jerome Whitehead out of the Miami (Ohio) game in 1978, the morons who combined the Journalism and Speech schools so that each lost its identity, Bob Huggins, Donald Little, Reece Gaines, Jerry Smith and the Lopez twins.
Merry Christmas to everyone on this board. Hope all have a blessed and happy Christmas with friends and family.
I absolutely despised Steve Logan
The New york Nets for signing Jim Chones during the season, which turned a 21-0 season into a 25-4 season. That was my freshmen year.
Luke Harangody and Carl Krauser have always bugged the hell out of me. Really, really, really, really hate both of them.
Jason Maxiell, and basically anyone associated on or off the court with Louisvlle.
During my time it was Tripucka and Digger with honorable mention going to Terry Cummings and Ray Meyer at DePaul.
Corey Santee
Squeeky Johnson
Fransico Garcia
Carl Krauser
Luke Harangody
Eric Devendorf
Puke boy Huggins and his crew of Cinci thugs.
Ed Hightower, who often seems to officiate 14 games per day.
David Rivers was the one guy I hated most while MU. He beat us on a play that never should have happened. Was nursing quite a hangover and just was beginning to feel 25% of normal and Rivers ran the court to beat us. Bar time after that game was awfully quiet.
1) Peter Pavia, the ref who through Jerome Whitehead out of the '78 tournament game
2) Digger Phelps and anyone who played for him
3) Thuggins and anyone who played for him
Do you ever wonder why other coaches gush over Thuggins?
Mu-rara----Great call on Pavia. I still believe that loss hurt the program more than any other loss in history. The combination of the error in judgement in hiring Hank to a losing in the 1st round made it so much easier to recruit against us. Whitehead getting tossed hurt but Hank getting the only technical of his career made the situation worse. The T cost us the game not the ejection.
Quote from: THEGYMBAR on December 26, 2008, 10:57:41 AM
Mu-rara----Great call on Pavia. I still believe that loss hurt the program more than any other loss in history. The combination of the error in judgement in hiring Hank to a losing in the 1st round made it so much easier to recruit against us. Whitehead getting tossed hurt but Hank getting the only technical of his career made the situation worse. The T cost us the game not the ejection.
I do not think it was an error to hire Hank. That loss to Miami-Ohion certainly hurt him and probably had a lot to do with him losing out on Scooter McCray or Mark Aguire. He was also hurt by Marquardt's trafic accident, which resulted in the end of MU's streak of 20 win seasons. When he turned the program over to Majerus the program was on an uptick and the team had several highly ranked players. If he had stayed he might of gotten Joe Wolf. The bad decision Raymonds made was turning the program over to Majerus before Majerus was ready, who could not stand the critciusm and left us to be replaced by Dukiet. The program would have been much better off, if Raymonds would have coached another 5 years. Raymonds won 71.6% of his games. Crean won 66.4% of his games. In between Majerus 61.5%, Dukiet 45.9%,O'Neill 58.1% and Deane 64.5%.
I think that we would have been better off going after a high profile coach after Al left, but hindsight is almost always 20/20. That being said, I always liked Hank.
On a separate note...has anyone else heard the story that the reason that we lost Scooter was that during his campus visit Rick walked in to pay a visit to him prior to lights out and caught scooter polishing the bayonet? He was so embarrassed that he dropped us and committed to L'ville. The story is probably just MU "urban legend", but entertaining.
Steve Logan, Reece Gaines and Francisco Garcia were 1a, 1b and 1c. I wasn't particularly enamored with Rick Pitino or Bob Huggins either.
bilsu---My problem with the hiring of Hank was it had little chance to continue the ride. Al is my biggest hero in sports. But, his ego was big and he knew Hank could not live up to the past. In a certain way it made the Al legacy even bigger. Hank is awesome guy and have known him since I was six years old. That being said, he was not prepared to take over a program of our national level.
I agree with much of your comments with exception of Rick. Hank was being pushed out and Rick was the logical choice. If Joe Wolf had come to MU the Rick era would have been far different. Obviously Rick was less secure guy back then but three incidents changed his legacy:
1. The loss to North Carolina (Still top 5 game at Mecca in my mind)
2. Loss to ND (Free throws by Boone)
3. Losing Joe Wolf (Jerked MU off)
Rick would have been here a long time minus those three events. His post MU career proved he was a top level coach.
Just my take on the past!!!
Tough choice, but Mike Ditka whose touchdown ended football at Marquette was the worst.
Quote from: harryp on December 26, 2008, 06:04:43 PM
Tough choice, but Mike Ditka whose touchdown ended football at Marquette was the worst.
Never heard that story. Pitt played MU in 1959, and I know MU had football until 1960, not that the two necessarily correlate, but why did Ditka end football at MU?
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on December 26, 2008, 06:14:09 PM
Never heard that story. Pitt played MU in 1959, and I know MU had football until 1960, not that the two necessarily correlate, but why did Ditka end football at MU?
In 1959, Pitt was ranked #6 in the country and losing to Marquette before Ditka made some key plays that won them the game. The story goes that had MU won that game the football program would have continued on past 1960.
That's doubtful though given that alums offered to fund the team and Raynor still said no. The school was in a cost cutting mode during the late 1950s and 1960s, football was just part of it along with the Medical School(now Medical College of Wisconsin).
Quote from: bma725 on December 26, 2008, 06:31:28 PM
That's doubtful though given that alums offered to fund the team and Raynor still said no.
OK, I get the Ditka story now (thank you) but Raynor wasn't president until 1965--was he calling the shots in some other capacity before then?
Actually, the Ditka touchdown occurred in the fall of 1960, the last season of MU football. Father O'Donnell was president. Father Raynor wan't even on the radar screen at the time. Lisle "Liz" Blackburn was the coach, George Andrie played offense (end), Karl Kassulkie played defensive back, primarily, and much of the team still consisted of ND rejects brought in by my public enemy #1: Johnny Druze - the "really poor man's Frank Leahy." What a joke that hire turned out to be. The supreme irony was that Liz wqas turning the program around after the Druze disaster, and kindly Father O'Donnell pulled the rug out from under him.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on December 26, 2008, 06:38:57 PM
OK, I get the Ditka story now (thank you) but Raynor wasn't president until 1965--was he calling the shots in some other capacity before then?
Typo, meant O'Donnell.
Though alums did come back with the offer when Raynor became president and he still turned them down.
how about kleinschmidt from depaul. I hated that guy.
If he played at marquette i would have loved him.
Also Lazelle durden and curtis bostic and cincy fans chanting "dahmer cheeseheads" while throwing cubes of cheddar at us in cincy at the conference tourney.
I hate those cincy fans. hate em. hate em. I think they are inbred. cousins marrying cousins and what not.
Quote from: thanooj on December 26, 2008, 11:44:52 PM
how about kleinschmidt from depaul. I hated that guy.
If he played at marquette i would have loved him.
Also Lazelle durden and curtis bostic and cincy fans chanting "dahmer cheeseheads" while throwing cubes of cheddar at us in cincy at the conference tourney.
I hate those cincy fans. hate em. hate em. I think they are inbred. cousins marrying cousins and what not.
I was going to mention Kleinschmidt, but he was leaving as I just started MU.
Durden and Bostic (tough hombre) were just part of one huge blob that was to be hated (and envied?) for their play and success: UC.
Quote from: wildbill sb on December 26, 2008, 09:57:20 PM
Actually, the Ditka touchdown occurred in the fall of 1960, the last season of MU football. Father O'Donnell was president.
Marquette didn't play Pitt in 1960. They played the first game of the 1959 season. Pitt's '59 and '60 seasons:
1959
Coach: John Michelosen
Date Opponent Score W/L
9/19 @Marquette 21-15 W
9/25 @U.S.C. 23-0 L
10/3 UCLA 25-21 W
10/10 Duke 12-0 W
10/17 @West Virginia 23-15 L
10/24 Texas Christian 13-3 L
10/31 Syracuse 35-0 L
11/7 @Boston College 22-14 W
11/14 Notre Dame 28-13 W
11/21 Penn State 22-7 W
Record: 6-4 Total: 148-164
1960
Coach: John Michelosen
Date Opponent Score W/L
9/17 @UCLA 8-7 L
9/24 Michigan State 7-7 T
10/1 @Oklahoma 15-14 L
10/8 Miami 17-6 W
10/15 West Virginia 42-0 W
10/22 @Texas Christian 7-7 T
10/29 @Syracuse 10-0 W
11/5 @Notre Dame 20-13 W
11/12 Army 7-7 T
11/19 Penn State 14-3 L
Record: 4-3-3 Total: 134-77
len elmore... and all those ball players from new york
in no particular order
aaron gray
luke harangody
jerry west
eric devendorf
the entire memphis squad from 04-05 *grumbles about confUSA tournament*
just to name a few
Other peeps we kept/keep an eye on: joe alexander, UConn lap-top thieves, scottie reynolds (although not as much this year according to espn??)
oh, and Don Imus, too.
Quote from: jalepeno on December 25, 2008, 11:16:27 AM
Adolph Rupp at Kentucky.
When Al sent the Warriors over before tip off to shake hands, he turned his back.
Adolph Rupp...
The reason no one names their children Adolph.
Whoever was saying last call that night
Bobby Brannen from Cincy. I HATED that guy.
Quote from: on_the_marq on December 29, 2008, 12:16:59 AM
Bobby Brannen from Cincy. I HATED that guy.
I hated the "surfer" too!
He hasn't changed either:
THEN
(http://www.club-champions.com/bobby%20brannen.jpg)
NOW
(http://image53.webshots.com/453/2/28/23/2133228230100286038aaySGI_ph.jpg)
I guess he's currently a personal trainer in the Cincy area:
http://www.club-champions.com/Meet.htm
Contact Bobby today at 513-683-7503 or drop him an email at Bobby@club-champions.com.
Quote from: WashDCWarrior on December 28, 2008, 09:16:18 AM
Adolph Rupp...
The reason no one names their children Adolph.
Ahhhh, but you under-estimate the stupidity of some people
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081217/ap_on_fe_st/odd_hitler_cake)
One of the Scandanavian countries [I forget which one] has [or maybe had] an agency that approves baby names. When I read stories like this it starts to seem like a good idea.
Austin Carr!
Jason Maxiell...that was the guy who cheap shot Cordell Henry. He was the classic, stereotypical Cincy/Huggins thug. Have to also mention Kenyon Martin, Alando (8th year senior) Tucker, and recently Jerry Smith...not enough bad can happen to that overrated piece of trash.
Quote from: lab_warrior on December 29, 2008, 01:46:39 PM
Jason Maxiell...that was the guy who cheap shot Cordell Henry. He was the classic, stereotypical Cincy/Huggins thug. Have to also mention Kenyon Martin, Alando (8th year senior) Tucker, and recently Jerry Smith...not enough bad can happen to that overrated piece of trash.
Lab warrior,
How long have you been attending MU? Looks like you're on the 10 year plan.
I'm there right now, so it's pretty easy.
1) That crap-sack Jerry Smith. That was the worst night of my 2.5 years so far.
2) Luke Harangody
3) Michael Flowers
Bobby Brannen. Nice badass barbed-wire tricep tattoo.. Did you get that in prison? Ironically, you were the only Cincy player from the mid-90s who DIDNT do time.
Che Guevara. Stop blowing kisses to your girlfriend, you hack.
Basically any Cincy player... Damon Flint, Lazelle Durden, Fortson, Dontonio Wingfield, Melvin Levitt, Kenyon, Pete Mickeal, Ruben Patterson... all agents of evil in the mid 90s!!! I had graduated, but I hate Steve Logan, possibly most of all. Player of the year, and you cant even get a cup of coffee in the NBA??? WTF??? If you are 5'10, don't holdout and argue, just take whatever contract they give you! Dumb. Ass.
DeMarco Johnson was a pain in the keister too.
ALSO: Imari Sawyer was the one who punched Cordell in the nuts, if im not mistaken.
Maxiell was the one who punched Cordell in the CUSA Championship game in 02. He set a screen, and as Cordell came around he got him in the nuts. Should have been thrown out of the game for that.
Confirmed I remember witnessing the Maxiell punch to the nuts of Cordell. I believe Maxiell was a freshman that year.
I was young, but I remember those Cincy teams... was Brannen the one who got into it one year with fans behind their bench?
I'm surprised I didn't see Donald Little on a lot of lists. I still can't believe he hit that shot.
Man were there some battles with MU and UC... but without Huggins I have no real reason to hate them anymore.
Always hated Maxiel, Steve Logan, and Huggins more than anyone else.
Reece Gaines was up there... but that was a respectful hate.
I still can't believe Donald Little kidnapped his college roommate and set him on fire.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 31, 2008, 09:33:37 AM
Reece Gaines was up there... but that was a respectful hate.
That M-er F-er. No respect from me at all. I wasn't at MU yet, but my level of hatred for him was off the charts. First the crap he pulled after the 3OT game on Wardle's senior night. Then hitting that shot to end our homecourt winning streak. We had to hear all the comparisons between he and Wade... where's old Reecey now?
Oh yeah... Italy. Bastard.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 31, 2008, 09:52:44 AM
That M-er F-er. No respect from me at all. I wasn't at MU yet, but my level of hatred for him was off the charts. First the crap he pulled after the 3OT game on Wardle's senior night. Then hitting that shot to end our homecourt winning streak. We had to hear all the comparisons between he and Wade... where's old Reecey now?
Oh yeah... Italy. Bastard.
I was at that 3OT game, and to this day it is my favorite game that I ever attended... and I was around for the final four trip and all that jazz.... we were even sitting in the upper deck. That game was just electric to be at.
The shot he hit 3 seconds after Diener knocked down what seemed to be the winner was ICE COLD. Before the crowd got done celebrating Diener's 3, he had gone back down the floor and pulled up way behind the top of the key and just buried a 3... it sucked, but that was a great game to be at as well.
I hated him, but it was a respectful hate... he wasn't really a jerk, just a good player.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on December 31, 2008, 10:03:12 AM
I hated him, but it was a respectful hate... he wasn't really a jerk, just a good player.
I don't know, running around the court with your jersey off, then flipping the crowd the bird on your way out... that was enough for me. :)
well, I can't say I remember the finger part... (he probably would have been suspended a game at least by the NCAA if he did it), a celebration is pretty common when someone knocks down a huge shot.
Well its a very common celebration for that school. Jerry Smith did the same thing when he hit the game winner.
Okay, a lot of mentions of mid 90's and on, but anyone remember Herb Jones from Cincy? That guy killed us. Every year we seem to have a shot to beating Cincy and he would just takeover.
If memory serves, we played Cincy three times in 1992 and he must have scored like 80 points in those three games. He outrebounded McIlvaine and Key and he was like 6'4" at most.
Good old days of the Great Midwest. I believe Cincy beat Memphis (with Penny Hardaway) in the regional final that year to get to the final four. Jones had like 25 points and 15 rebounds.