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By Andrew Wagner
OnMilwaukee.com Reporter
Published Dec. 2, 2008 at 10:03 p.m.
There are a lot of things I like about college basketball.
The atmosphere, the sound of a pep band, the two, 20-minute halves ... even the cheerleaders are all aspects that make the college game special. And most importantly to the college game is a passionate and involved student section. It's what sets college basketball apart from any other sport.
But one thing that gets me more and more annoyed with every game I go to -- either as a "fan" or for work -- is fans riding the refs.
OK, don't get me wrong, I'm not some purist good boy that doesn't think heckling is a part of the game. But it's starting to get a little ridiculous.
Take tonight, for example. At Marquette men's basketball games, the media is seated in tables along the north baseline, directly in front of the student section. Pretty good seats, I have to admit and the pregame spread isn't that bad, either.
But every game ... every single game, the same group of knuckleheads in the front row make absolute fools of themselves every time a whistle is blown. They're ragging the refs, ragging the opposing coaches, harassing the players ... even their own.
Every foul is stupid. Every call is wrong. Every single thing is greeted with a string of larynx-straining vulgarity that would make my father, a former Marine, cringe. Personally, I'm curious to find out what these "fans" think is a good call.
Here's just a smattering of that the front-row geniuses had to say:
"Go back to high school, ref."
"I've seen better officiating at Foot Locker."
"Get off your knees, ref you're ..." well, you can figure out where that was going.
"How much are they paying you?"
"Blow the &^%$#@! whistle" and, conversely, "What are you blowing the &^%$#@! whistle for?"
My personal favorite came late in the first half, when it seemed one fan was particularly confused about a possible violation.
"That's a travel, isn't it? It looked like a travel. Wasn't it a travel? HEY, REF, THAT'S A TRAVEL!"
Those are just the printable ones, too. And it goes on. And on. And on. For 40 minutes straight. It's almost as if the game doesn't matter, just the officials. Just the opposing coach. Never mind the action on the court, let's just focus on the officials.
As the crew came off the court at halftime Tuesday night, there were greeted with a barrage of insults, catcalls and f-bombs. Sure, these guys are probably used to it, but what kind of impression do you think you're making on these guys, who will travel the nation over the next few months?
Then, of course, there's the berating of your own players. In particular, one guy who's struggling to find his way this season. It's got to really improve your self-confidence and desire to improve when your own fans are hurling insults from the front row.
While I haven't exactly been the biggest Golden Eagles fan during the Tom Crean era, I do think Buzz Williams has a good thing going and have actually enjoyed the atmosphere generated in recent years for some of the bigger games, so this isn't a knock on Marquette in particular.
To be fair, there are boneheads attending every sporting event in the country, no matter the teams involved or the venue. I've had the opportunity to travel to a lot of college basketball arenas and sit in and near a lot of student sections ... but this is getting out of hand.
It's not just me, either. Other media members that graduated from Marquette have the same complaints. I can see the looks on cheerleaders' faces every time these clowns pipe up. I've seen disgusted looks from fellow fans, too.
"Nobody said you have to be smart," my friend Todd, an employee with another local media outlet and a Marquette grad, said. "You just have to be loyal to be a fan. But this is kind of annoying."
The occasional, well-timed rip is appropriate. Sometimes, it can even be pretty funny. But when you're constantly riding the officials every chance you get with the same complaints every single game, you've ceased being funny. You come across like an ignorant fan with little basketball acumen and it's an embarrassment to your team, your fellow fans and your school.
No one, especially me, is suggesting that fans need to be polite and courteous church mice at games, but there is room for sportsmanship and decorum. Either start watching the games or maybe the school should put fans up front that will.
This guy is a total loser. Come to my hometown Philly with a Dallas or NYG jersey and you will meet some great fans.
"Go back to high school, ref."
I hope this vulgarity doesn't continue :D
Wow I agree 100% with that. Muwarrior87 and I were discussing that the whole time on the way back to campus last night. It is out of hand and ridiculous.
While I do not know if this is as prevalent as this reporter says, I do agree there is something to be said about not complaining about correct calls...the "bullsh***" chant is way way way overused...and in general fans complain way to much, although i will say the refs have not been fantastic so far to date...lots of ticky tack fouls, both sides of the ball in my opinion, not really preparing us very well for BE play...
wasted seats if you ask me.
As opposed to the Kohl Center where 18,000 UW-Oshkosh grads wearing red & white painters pants complain about every call.
I think the thing the student's need to do is to lay off Burke. I think the article hit that right on the money.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 04, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
I think the thing the student's need to do is to lay off Burke. I think the article hit that right on the money.
+1
Burke is struggling with his confidence right now and the home crowd yelling at him won't help.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 04, 2008, 10:26:31 PM
I think the thing the student's need to do is to lay off Burke. I think the article hit that right on the money.
Agreed, I felt bad for Burke when he finally drove to the lane (something that I havent seen from him in a while) only to get a foul. You could tell the coaches were excitied and proud that he did that and upset a foul was called, even though his knee did just about slam someone in the face. But the reaction from the students didnt help the situation.
Burke seems to be trying his hardest out there. I would only boo a college player if it was evident that they didn't care, were playing lazily, or was named Caracter. You can tell that Burke cares. Players get booed at 50% of the games they play regardless, and he shouldn't be booed at 100% of the games.
Quote from: Wareagle on December 04, 2008, 10:49:49 PM
Burke seems to be trying his hardest out there. I would only boo a college player if it was evident that they didn't care, were playing lazily, or was named Caracter. You can tell that Burke cares. Players get booed at 50% of the games they play regardless, and he shouldn't be booed at 100% of the games.
Completely agree, hopefully Burke will break out on Saturday
Burke has been known to shock in games like this.
I couldn't agree more. Although I get frustrated sometimes at Burke, it's because I genuinely want to see him do well. I feel bad for him because he is in such a tough spot. He's playing out of his natural position, and has worked his butt off trying to step up for the team. In general I do not understand it when people boo individual players like they owe them something. I am ashamed of my fellow MU fans when this occurs.
In addition, Burke's one-handed dunk off the missed three on Tuesday made me stand up and scream in the middle of my living room.
Also, the sick dunk he had toward the end of the Georgetown game last year was awesome. He has really had some great moments in Warrior blue and gold, and I for one appreciate his contributions.
That said, I would have no objection if he decided to pulverize the Badgers on Saturday.
Quote from: JSwarriors08 on December 05, 2008, 12:47:55 AM
In addition, Burke's one-handed dunk off the missed three on Tuesday made me stand up and scream in the middle of my living room.
One word:
AWESOME!Hopefully it is exactly what he needed to get his season started. Looking forward to seeing DB (aka Jay Z) bust out of his shell and converses' saturday.
I don't even know where to start. First of all, "Get off your knees ref, you're blowing the game is both hilarious and insightful". Secondly, the student section has a lot more problems to worry about than people yelling mean things at the referees. Seriously compared to some of the things that were often yelled during my time at MU, this student section sounds like they are sitting around having a tea party. MUwarriorz87 basically yelling at some of the students to be quiet during Tuesday's game, I mean are you serious? You want all 50 of them that were there to quiet down more? Finally, if more students actually showed up no one would even here most or any of the "bad words" that were being yelled, its only at games where no one is there that you actually even here any of that stuff outside the student section. Vent over.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on December 05, 2008, 09:57:50 AM
I don't even know where to start. First of all, "Get off your knees ref, you're blowing the game is both hilarious and insightful". Secondly, the student section has a lot more problems to worry about than people yelling mean things at the referees. Seriously compared to some of the things that were often yelled during my time at MU, this student section sounds like they are sitting around having a tea party. MUwarriorz87 basically yelling at some of the students to be quiet during Tuesday's game, I mean are you serious? You want all 50 of them that were there to quiet down more? Finally, if more students actually showed up no one would even here most or any of the "bad words" that were being yelled, its only at games where no one is there that you actually even here any of that stuff outside the student section. Vent over.
First of all, yelling at the refs is not a bad thing, but sometimes it is used more than it should be. Muwarrior87 was telling people to quiet down because they were making fun of a manager who had only 1 arm. Are we as students not supposed to represent Marquette?? The reason Muwarrior87 and me are telling students to quiet down is also because the security staff at the BC has told us that people will be kicked out if they don't clean up what they are yelling. Some of the stuff some of the kids yell are not funny at all. They are just disrespectful and is something that needs to be addressed. If people want examples I can post them, but I would rather not.
Students at games are there to cheer for their team and against the other team and make as much noise as possible. Bradley Center staff is there to control crowd, provide safety, etc. In other words why not let each stick to what they do best.
i am a supporter of off color comments yelled in the direction of the opposing players. the refs should get their fair share (when deserved). The "get off your knees" comment works on so many levels. If anyone thinks our student section is worse than any other in the country in terms of complaining or lack of respect, you're nuts. as strokin 3's said, our section is weak compared to the nation. maybe an 8:30pm tip that gives ample time to pregame will spark the crowd.
here's to a full student section saturday and endless comments about Hughes mom making really dry meatloaf.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on December 05, 2008, 10:14:07 AM
Students at games are there to cheer for their team and against the other team and make as much noise as possible. Bradley Center staff is there to control crowd, provide safety, etc. In other words why not let each stick to what they do best.
I have no problem ripping on players on the other team, but to make fun of people for disabilities, color of skin, or using other slang derogatory terms is just wrong.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
I have no problem ripping on players on the other team, but to make fun of people for disabilities, color of skin, or using other slang derogatory terms is just wrong.
+1
Gwaki, very insightful. I agree wholeheartedly. God knows I love causing a ruckus sometimes (e.g. screaming back and forth at Brian Butch's mom in '07), but it's possible to be a jerk with morals sometimes. I have heard some obscene things come out of our corner at the BC.
I am in agreement with GIMP. The whole point of putting the students so close to the floor is because they give the home team an advantage over their opponents. It seems as of late that the students are afraid to really let loose and let the other team really have it. To be honest, in the last 5 years it has become more difficult to get into Marquette. Hence more wieners getting into the school and into the student section. The student section, in my opinion, is EXTREMELY tame from what it used to be. You may still have "true" fans in that section, but there certainly arent any DIE HARD, CRAZY MOTHER Fers that were in that section when I was a student.
I feel a big part of this comes from the lack of alcohol that is being consumed in the student section. When I was at school pretty much everyone would drink at the games, what else are you supposed to do when you are in the BC 2 hours before tip off? Is this because wiener kids don't drink beer? Beer definitely makes everyone more rowdy. Now I am positive it also causes more problems (fights, etc) but the BC is no where near as loud as it used to be. We will see how that changes this Saturday when all the fairweather fans make it to a "real game". If you are reading this, and have tickets in the student section, and you're not drinking, ask yourself why? You're a man at a sporting event.....grow a pair and grab a brasco.
Its time to have a cocktail or 2 at the game and let an opposing player know that his mom "works at IHOP".
And as for getting on Burke....Are we supposed to coddle him and tell him everything is gonna be ok? I am all for riding a player that isnt producing, everything works for me EXCEPT for booing. If you ever boo your own team you should be kicked in the testicles.
Quote from: That Guy on December 05, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
I am in agreement with GIMP. The whole point of putting the students so close to the floor is because they give the home team an advantage over their opponents. It seems as of late that the students are afraid to really let loose and let the other team really have it. To be honest, in the last 5 years it has become more difficult to get into Marquette. Hence more wieners getting into the school and into the student section. The student section, in my opinion, is EXTREMELY tame from what it used to be. You may still have "true" fans in that section, but there certainly arent any DIE HARD, CRAZY MOTHER Fers that were in that section when I was a student.
I feel a big part of this comes from the lack of alcohol that is being consumed in the student section. When I was at school pretty much everyone would drink at the games, what else are you supposed to do when you are in the BC 2 hours before tip off? Is this because wiener kids don't drink beer? Beer definitely makes everyone more rowdy. Now I am positive it also causes more problems (fights, etc) but the BC is no where near as loud as it used to be. We will see how that changes this Saturday when all the fairweather fans make it to a "real game". If you are reading this, and have tickets in the student section, and you're not drinking, ask yourself why? You're a man at a sporting event.....grow a pair and grab a brasco.
Its time to have a cocktail or 2 at the game and let an opposing player know that his mom "works at IHOP".
And as for getting on Burke....Are we supposed to coddle him and tell him everything is gonna be ok? I am all for riding a player that isnt producing, everything works for me EXCEPT for booing. If you ever boo your own team you should be kicked in the testicles.
So you are fine with yelling "Burke you F&*!@#% suck get off the damn court" everytime he takes a shot? Because that is what the author was talking about
Quote from: That Guy on December 05, 2008, 10:51:35 AM
Is this because wiener kids don't drink beer?
YES.
I have posted before the lack of drinking prowess by the students these days. MU used to be an outstanding institution when it came to preparing its students for any beer olympics. today's MU classes just dont drink as much as previous years. Students these days should be ashamed of themselves.
To stop any of the thats not true replies to this, I know that there are kids in MU that do get obligatoraly (word?) drunk on a Friday at 1 just for the fun of it, but they are few and far between these days.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 10:55:09 AM
So you are fine with yelling "Burke you F&*!@#% suck get off the damn court" everytime he takes a shot? Because that is what the author was talking about
Burke's Numbers;
Min 17.1
PPG: 2.0
Reb 3.4
Ast 0.1
Blk 0.4
TO 1.1
Yes I think yelling "Burke you F&*!@#% suck get off the damn court" is acceptable.
I like the guy that yelled that, that dude was probably drunk.
Also the reason some of the people in the front row don't drink is because
1.They can't drink a ton in line while waiting to get in. Makes it tough to get drunk because you have waited in line all this time and don't wanna screw up and not get your spot or get in.
2.Beer is expensive as crap at the BC
3.It's really expensive when compared to the $2.50 pitchers after the game
I can say if someone wants to buy me a beer at the game I will gladly take and drink it as would most of the over 21 people (don't want to "break" the law) in the front rows. So buy us beers and we will drink
Quote from: That Guy on December 05, 2008, 11:03:52 AM
Burke's Numbers;
Min 17.1
PPG: 2.0
Reb 3.4
Ast 0.1
Blk 0.4
TO 1.1
Yes I think yelling "Burke you F&*!@#% suck get off the damn court" is acceptable.
I like the guy that yelled that, that dude was probably drunk.
Sorry to burst your bubble but he wasn't drunk. The students need to stand behind him and help him gain some confidence. We are currently very short on the bench and he needs to play the best he can
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
3.It's really expensive when compared to the $2.50 pitchers after the game
Proves you are not drinking that much my friend, $2/ after games.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Also the reason some of the people in the front row don't drink is because
1.They can't drink a ton in line while waiting to get in. Makes it tough to get drunk because you have waited in line all this time and don't wanna screw up and not get your spot or get in.
2.Beer is expensive as crap at the BC
3.It's really expensive when compared to the $2.50 pitchers after the game
I can say if someone wants to buy me a beer at the game I will gladly take and drink it as would most of the over 21 people (don't want to "break" the law) in the front rows. So buy us beers and we will drink
You cant put a price on a good buzz at an MU game. But I guess Im just your typical "Drunk sports fan"
and i LOVE it.
Now I'm going to take a break from posting since I can't avoid slinging insults.**
** - last sentence added by Rocky. First few paragraphs removed.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 10:33:47 AM
I have no problem ripping on players on the other team, but to make fun of people for disabilities, color of skin, or using other slang derogatory terms is just wrong.
I like to make fun of what people wear -- that's okay right?? :D
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on December 05, 2008, 10:58:33 AM
YES.
I have posted before the lack of drinking prowess by the students these days. MU used to be an outstanding institution when it came to preparing its students for any beer olympics. today's MU classes just dont drink as much as previous years. Students these days should be ashamed of themselves.
To stop any of the thats not true replies to this, I know that there are kids in MU that do get obligatoraly (word?) drunk on a Friday at 1 just for the fun of it, but they are few and far between these days.
Why, because we are academically superior as opposed to being cirrhosis time bombs? What about our Muslim students, shame on them!
PS Obligatorily, and you're welcome.
Quote from: rugbydrummer on December 05, 2008, 11:17:46 AM
I like to make fun of what people wear -- that's okay right?? :D
yes, you can make fun of people for whatever you wish. i personally leave the disabled alone, that is my preference. however, most other stuff is fair game.
at the last game, i went and sat in the student section since it was empty and i could get closer seats. i actually heard a guy comment that none of the students had probably even seen a breast before. this is coming from someone outside of the student section. you know what, i agreed with him too. sure were a lot of wieners in the student section that night. at least these wieners show up for the games, so that i do appreciate
Quote from: That Guy on December 05, 2008, 11:17:17 AM
You cant put a price on a good buzz at an MU game. But I guess Im just your typical "Drunk sports fan"
and i LOVE it.
Now I'm going to take a break from posting since I can't avoid slinging insults.**
** - last sentence added by Rocky. First few paragraphs removed.
Rocky, where did "that guy" go? he brought some life to the board. how long is he on a break. my dad told me he was going to get a pack of cigarettes and he hasn't come back yet. that was 18 years ago. i hope "that guys" break isn't to the same place my dad went to get cigarettes.
Quote from: Gwaki on December 05, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Also the reason some of the people in the front row don't drink is because
1.They can't drink a ton in line while waiting to get in. Makes it tough to get drunk because you have waited in line all this time and don't wanna screw up and not get your spot or get in.
2.Beer is expensive as crap at the BC
3.It's really expensive when compared to the $2.50 pitchers after the game
I can say if someone wants to buy me a beer at the game I will gladly take and drink it as would most of the over 21 people (don't want to "break" the law) in the front rows. So buy us beers and we will drink
You pretty much have the reasons for lack of loudness summed up...
1. Those who get to the games very early would lose their buzz if they drank by game time anyway.
2. Those of us who get to the game drunk get there late. Yelling at Burke and the refs doesn't have the same effect from the upper deck as it does in the first few rows. Getting there earlier means being much less drunk, losing the buzz, or paying too much for beer:
3. Beer is $7 for the decent sized one. Two beers for $14 or a whole case beforehand? Four beers at the game or a night's worth of drinks downtown afterward? Plus, the few people who smuggle beer in usually prefer to be in the less noticable upper level. Usually the best compromise is to get there early enough to get in the lower level, where freshmen are so desperate for beer that they will give you a $10 bill to get them a beer.
4. Each year there has been more and more babysitting going on by the security, which also seems to get greater in number by the year. There are rarely any problems in the student section; leave them alone.
5. If you want to characterize students to find why they don't go to games, I'd say it's less to the effect of "weiner kids", more of the pretentious type that doesn't want to be seen wearing the cheap gold t-shirt everybody else is wearing in public.
just to throw this in there... the beers are $7 for 22 oz. of beer. thats nearly two beers, which comes out to a little over $3.50 per beer. so no more arguing that they are 7 bucks a piece... If you can't drink two beers at a time... well... thats sad
This quandary is easily solved. Carry in some Captain, put it in a Pepsi, and you've just saved yourself a boatload of money.
The annual "Sober students suck/our section is pathetic" thread. How I (didn't) miss thee.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on December 05, 2008, 10:58:33 AM
YES.
I have posted before the lack of drinking prowess by the students these days. MU used to be an outstanding institution when it came to preparing its students for any beer olympics. today's MU classes just dont drink as much as previous years. Students these days should be ashamed of themselves.
To stop any of the thats not true replies to this, I know that there are kids in MU that do get obligatoraly (word?) drunk on a Friday at 1 just for the fun of it, but they are few and far between these days.
This is where I'd like to salute the end of the era with the graduating class of 2006.
Remember when beers were $4.25...
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
Rocky, where did "that guy" go? he brought some life to the board. how long is he on a break. my dad told me he was going to get a pack of cigarettes and he hasn't come back yet. that was 18 years ago. i hope "that guys" break isn't to the same place my dad went to get cigarettes.
Heh - only for a week. Though I guess it's his choice if he comes back. For what you may ask - he started throwing down some insults towards Gwaki. We allow a lot of freedom here - insult coaches, rivals, players (to some extent), and even the student section in general - but don't make it personal. Disagreeing is fine, name calling is not tolerated.
let's get back on track. F'bombs, racial slurs, disability related slurs, and the like are not acceptable. I don't care where you go. There is a difference between being loud and obnoxious and just acting like an idiot. While I'm all for the former, let's represent the school and ourselves with a little more dignity than some of the students have shown this year. MUfan12 and Ahoya know how to do the obnoxious stuff without crossing the line. Myself, gwaki, TT and others have tried to carry on that type of fan experience in the student section. Hell, half the damn people that have come to the games this year don't even pay attention to the game. They are too busy commenting on how an opposing team's player has a small t-shirt on under his jersey or just swearing randomly without thinking about what's going on with the game.
Let's beat the piss out of the Commies on the court and get loud without calling people "faggots" and f'ers
Quote from: rugbydrummer on December 05, 2008, 11:22:42 AM
Why, because we are academically superior as opposed to being cirrhosis time bombs? What about our Muslim students, shame on them!
PS Obligatorily, and you're welcome.
your priorities are out of whack.
how could a guy whose name is rugbydrummer (i assume that you played rugby at marquette) not understand and appreciate the role that alcohol plays in providing a complete marquette education?!?!?!?
Real fans know how to be loud, obnoxious, boisterous, raucous, appropriate, while doing it sober and then getting wasted on the cheap later. Why would anyone want to get hammered beforehand, have to pee the whole time, and only remember half of the game? Use the energy and creativity of youth to be really creative. I remember clearly David Rivers shot to beat us in 85. I don't remember the rest of the night because I proceeded to get puking drunk.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on December 05, 2008, 12:46:50 PM
your priorities are out of whack.
how could a guy whose name is rugbydrummer (i assume that you played rugby at marquette) not understand and appreciate the role that alcohol plays in providing a complete marquette education?!?!?!?
Rugbydrummer is actually a girl and played in the band, dont let this opinion make you think all former band people feel this way, her priorities are out of whack just a bit. Its college folks, and as we know, alcohol is always involved to some sort of a degree.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 05, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
let's get back on track. F'bombs, racial slurs, disability related slurs, and the like are not acceptable. I don't care where you go. There is a difference between being loud and obnoxious and just acting like an idiot.
Let's beat the piss out of the Commies on the court and get loud without calling people "faggots" and f'ers
+1
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 05, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
There is a difference between being loud and obnoxious and just acting like an idiot.
I think muwarrior87's got it right. It's not the fact that people are yelling at the refs or the other players. That's to be expected at any major sporting event. I don't even think that the language that is used is the problem (but I agree keep the racist etc. stuff out of it). The biggest problem (and what leads to people getting offended) is when the quality of heckling is substandard.
Yelling obscenities at the top of your lungs doesn't accomplish anything worthwhile. Screaming at a ref for a call that was made that was actually correct only shows that you don't know what you're talking about.
It's like the use of the F-bomb. When George Carlin dropped an F-bomb in one of his routines it had a purpose; but when some kid walking down the street uses it as a filler work it doesn't work any more. Carlin comes off as a comic genius, the kid just looks like an ass who learned a new dirty word.
I don't care what you yell or who you yell it at, but don't just yell something to sound like an idiot.
I don't care what anyone is yelling as long as it is making the BC louder. We don't have nearly enough yelling now, no matter what the words are. So have an extra one this game students! The theory of the buzz wearing off by the time you get in is rubbish. You get let in two hours before the game starts.
Quote from: MU-OOA on December 05, 2008, 01:02:59 PM
Rugbydrummer is actually a girl and played in the band, dont let this opinion make you think all former band people feel this way, her priorities are out of whack just a bit. Its college folks, and as we know, alcohol is always involved to some sort of a degree.
Rugbydrummer... do you have a personal grudge to settle with wisconsin this saturday after what their band does to female members??? be thankful you are at marquette where band sexual harassment is kept to a minimum, or atleast not reported.
Quote from: Strokin 3s on December 05, 2008, 01:20:02 PM
I don't care what anyone is yelling as long as it is making the BC louder. We don't have nearly enough yelling now, no matter what the words are. So have an extra one this game students! The theory of the buzz wearing off by the time you get in is rubbish. You get let in two hours before the game starts.
except when you are outside for 4+ hours before some games...
Man do I have to spell it out for you guys......ok.
It's a crazy idea, but.....you get drunk again, and its much easier this time. Has no one else ever heard of the "Shampoo Effect", same logic applies here. As previous poster mentioned, a flash of captain will do you well.
Quote from: Wareagle on December 05, 2008, 12:18:09 PM
This quandary is easily solved. Carry in some Captain, put it in a Pepsi, and you've just saved yourself a boatload of money.
+1
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 05, 2008, 12:21:45 PM
The annual "Sober students suck/our section is pathetic" thread. How I (didn't) miss thee.
+1
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 01:20:17 PM
Rugbydrummer... do you have a personal grudge to settle with wisconsin this saturday after what their band does to female members??? be thankful you are at marquette where band sexual harassment is kept to a minimum, or atleast not reported.
1) My priorities are fine. I love marquette basketball. I have commented on the ability to be a boisterous fan sans alcohol on threads in the past, time spent in the front row of MU Pep Band notwithstanding. Caffeine is also a viable option, too. I am plenty obnoxious to opposing teams and incompetent refs regardless. Just because I'd prefer to not be on the UNOS list within the next 3 decades doesn't make my priorities out of whack. I go to 20+ games a year, and had been going to women's games regularly until recently. Oh yeah, and I manage to do alright in school on top of it, funny how that works.
2) I am not particularly aware of the practices of bands at other schools. However, if what you say is true about the mistreatment of women in the Madison band, well, that is a terrible shame. However, I am 100% sure Bo Ryan and his badgery crew are not the crux of that problem (although who knows, I do not). That being said, I am ready for MU to dominate on Saturday regardless. Maybe the most liberal campus in Wisconsin should start standing up for women's rights?
3) So.... I'm supposed to be grateful if, in fact, people get away with said sexual harassment on campus here, whatever does occur?? Thanks, but no thanks. There's a reason I'm not a UW student. Oh and as much as I should be "thankful" i am not in Mad's band...
maybe you men should be thankful you do not have to put up with that rubbish 99% of the time......and jaybilaswho? sorry to mislead-- no, i did not play rugby. But i did play drums in a rugby jersey . . .
Quote from: Strokin 3s on December 05, 2008, 01:25:56 PM
It's a crazy idea, but.....you get drunk again, and its much easier this time. Has no one else ever heard of the "Shampoo Effect", same logic applies here. As previous poster mentioned, a flash of captain will do you well.
I don't want the captain to flash me! That $h1t's gross!!!
I have heard of the shampoo effect, and it does work...as does the sneaking in a flask/water bottle of hard stuff and buying a sprite/coke...its really the best option...but there is something to be said about being sober at the games...my first 3 years at MU games i pretty much did not drink (except for rarely) and i was loud and was the person who didnt sit except at halftime, went to all the games pretty much middle of the lower bowl...but then 4th year came around, i drank pretty much for every game, and was a pretty awful fan (upper deck, sitting whenever they werent playing, etc.) the experience became more about drinking then watching and cheering basketball. did i have fun? you bet, but i was definitely a worse fan.
These work great.
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http://www.papabert.com/Barnoculars-Binocular-Flask/Papa-Bert-Barnoculars-Binocular-Flask.asp
Quote from: SaintPaulWarrior on December 05, 2008, 01:52:49 PM
These work great.
http://www.fakecrap.com/products/barnoculars.html
Does anyone remember hearing about the "beer belly"?? although that would look pretty funny on a gal... thank goodness for the "wine rack"!!
http://www.thebeerbelly.com/products.asp
https://www.thebeerbelly.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=200%2D007
Quote from: rugbydrummer on December 05, 2008, 02:04:41 PM
Does anyone remember hearing about the "beer belly"?? although that would look pretty funny on a gal... thank goodness for the "wine rack"!!
http://www.thebeerbelly.com/products.asp
https://www.thebeerbelly.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=200%2D007
The Beerbelly is great, however can be leaky.
I cannot agree enough with this article. Focusing soley on the morons that have sat in the front row every single game for the past four years that they are referencing. I'm glad they're passionate Marquette fans, that part is absolutely fantastic. But those kids think they are entitled to do whatever the hell they want, and they come off like spoled little brats. Do us all a favor and make them sit in the rafters for the rest of the year
Part of the problem with the lack of drinking has to do with the student's are no longer allowed to drink outside of the bradley center, and all of the beverages are confiscated when standing in line.
Quote from: rugbydrummer on December 05, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
1) My priorities are fine. I love marquette basketball. I have commented on the ability to be a boisterous fan sans alcohol on threads in the past, time spent in the front row of MU Pep Band notwithstanding. Caffeine is also a viable option, too. I am plenty obnoxious to opposing teams and incompetent refs regardless. Just because I'd prefer to not be on the UNOS list within the next 3 decades doesn't make my priorities out of whack. I go to 20+ games a year, and had been going to women's games regularly until recently. Oh yeah, and I manage to do alright in school on top of it, funny how that works.
I went to every home game while in school (except for maybe 2 or 3 a season because i was out of town), I went out Thursday through Saturday and drank more than my fair share, interned 25 hours a week and i still managed to do alright in school on top of it, funny how that works.
The point I was trying to make was that MU students now, just do not drink (in general) as much as ther predecessors did. I probably should have put the "they should be ashamed of themselves in teal, but didn't.
What is the UNOS list?
Quote from: rugbydrummer on December 05, 2008, 01:41:28 PM
and jaybilaswho? sorry to mislead-- no, i did not play rugby. But i did play drums in a rugby jersey . . .
This is why one should never make assumptions.
you think our student section is bad... check out what some of the other kids around the country are doing..
Nations Best Student Sections (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
now that is a crazy student section
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 03:20:49 PM
you think our student section is bad... check out what some of the other kids around the country are doing..
Nations Best Student Sections (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
now that is a crazy student section
I could go for some of that this Saturday.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 03:20:49 PM
you think our student section is bad... check out what some of the other kids around the country are doing..
Nations Best Student Sections (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
now that is a crazy student section
hook, line & sinker.
damn u gimp ONE. You got me.
This will solve everything
http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=I5LodH9-N6w&feature=related (http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=I5LodH9-N6w&feature=related)
Enough Said
Our student section obviously ain't crunk enough.
What's with the lack of inivative thinking these days? To further help you with your drinking on a budget problem, I'll make a suggestion. While sneaking in Captain is a good start, keep in mind that the Pick n' Save sells Admiral Nelson. It's the cheap cousin to the captain, and after about a quater of the bottle in, you can't really tell the difference.
There's an awful lot of generalization going on in this thread.
MU's students aren't drunk enough, or maybe they are, or maybe some of them are. Some people don't know how to drink, but some people who went here years ago do... or maybe it's something not quite... oh... damn... this is getting confusing.
How about this:
Some college students drink and are obnoxious. Sure there are probably standards that they ignore when they are three sheets to the wind in the student section. I think this entire thread is over reaction on top of overreaction.
The people who don't drink are well within their rights to not drink. I am a student and a member of the media and I don't think that MU's student section goes too far on a regular basis by any stretch of the imagination.
Quote from: jaybilaswho? on December 05, 2008, 02:58:58 PM
What is the UNOS list?
She means you are going to need a new liver, babe.
The one thing the article forgot to mention was the annoying fans that sit in the front row and find it necessary to concern themselves with trying to manage the student section than cheer themselves.
I wish they would get off their high horse and stop trying to be parents.
I know it takes away from my fan experience.....anyone else?
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 11:34:25 AM
my dad told me he was going to get a pack of cigarettes and he hasn't come back yet. that was 18 years ago.
Are you Nelson Muntz gimp one?
So, going back to the article that provided the impetus for this discussion...
Can we expect a "Wagner is a p---y" chant this evening?
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 05, 2008, 03:20:49 PM
you think our student section is bad... check out what some of the other kids around the country are doing..
Nations Best Student Sections (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu_moia-oVI)
now that is a crazy student section
I think we just got an idea for a Big Head here.
This Rick-Rolling might actually produce some good.
YEAH! DRINK DRINK DRINK!!!
MU's student section is BORING because all the students DON'T DRINK ENOUGH!!!
Wow. I'm sorry, but you guys sound like tools.
I hate to say it, but my guess is the student section will be a tad sub-par for the Wisconsin game because of finals coming up next week. From what i have heard alot of people either aren't drinking or won't drink that much before or after the game. Trust me I won't be one of those people, but thats just what I've heard. Its a pretty bad weekend to have such a big game. Oh and to all those alums saying how wild and crazy they used to get, this year has been completely different. Public safety and MPD has been extremely strict this year with alcohol violations. House parties are absolutely terrible now because every single decent one gets busted by 11 pm. Oh and instead ref get off your knees... lets be a little more original and go with my personal favorite.. Hey ref does your wife know you're F****** us?
Hate to burst the bubble and be the old (24?) fart alum, but the MU-UW game has been played the weekend before finals for a couple years now (At least since 2004).
Including the 2006 game, which the student section had no problem bringing the noise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ls02uLobw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ls02uLobw)
Likewise, "Hey ref does your wife know..." is hardly original. I think I first heard that one in high school.
I'm taking some undergrad classes again as an alum, so I'm buried here in the library this afternoon. For the spring finals, most students would be rolling in at noon on the Saturday before finals. Today, though, I was here at 9:15, and the place was packed. It's now noon, and it's a freaking zoo, PLUS I've seen quite a few people dressed for the game already, or overheard plans to bail out of here at 2 or 3 to hop in line from others I've eavesdropped on/talked to.
So I wouldn't exactly sell the students short quite yet tonight. I've have hope they'll turn out. The 2006 game was at 1 in the afternoon, and still plenty showed up knowing exams were hanging over their heads. Besides, anyone who's a senior or a 5th year has been thru at least 1 home Wisconsin game already, so they know the drill by now. You'll probably see more upperclassmen there tonight than freshman and sophomores, since juniors/seniors have a lot more experience in prepping for their exams and understanding of what their exams are than most 1st semester freshmen. And more upperclassmen usually correlates to more alcohol consumption, so all of those who are complaining the students don't drink enough probably should go check out the beer lines behind the student section at some point during a time out and adjust their opinion accordingly.
Me? We'll, studying 'til about 3, going home to take a nap, and cracking the booze at about 5:30. With the weather, this is one day my crusty 25 year old a$$ is glad he kept his regular season tickets this year.
I don't think it's very appropriate to make a correlation between being a "good" fan and drinking a lot. Sure, alcohol does wonders for ridding ourselves of pesky inhibitions but maybe we should reflect on what's expected of we fans, as members of the NCAA. I also think we need to recognize the fact that we are one of the few colleges lucky enough to have the privilege to drink at games.
Before I get up too high on my soap box, I just want to admit that I've enjoyed my fair share of libations at the Bradley Center -- but after graduation because I too was in band -- and in a manner I consider to be responsible. I don't need to say something that takes away someone's respect to support my team. Say what you will about being a nerd or being privileged. I don't care. I put in my time and hard work as a student and fan, just like any of the rest of us.
The NCAA's policy on drinking at collegiate sporting events is as follows:
Illegal use and abuse of alcohol is contrary to the mission of the NCAA and destroys such fundamental values as respect, fairness, civility, honesty and responsibility; and
The NCAA takes seriously its responsibility to present participation in sports as a positive experience for student-athletes and fans alike, and this responsibility includes educating student-athletes about alcohol abuses and providing positive messaging related to the legal use of alcohol.
As for the article on which this whole thread is based, I think it's a shame and a pity that the writer had to experience that. I understand that worse things could've been said [and probably were], but that reflects badly on our school's presence.
Shame on you Marquette. We're better than that.
I wonder if Wagner will have a new article out in a few days. The student section really ripped him a new one before the game started including the majority of the lower bowl chanting stuff at him.
personally, I liked the "andrew wagner...andrew wagner...andrew wagner" ... followed by the "you suck"
;D
Quote from: MUWeb7 on December 07, 2008, 03:20:21 AM
personally, I liked the "andrew wagner...andrew wagner...andrew wagner" ... followed by the "you suck"
;D
what is this, a hockey game?! lol
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 07, 2008, 12:40:06 PM
what is this, a hockey game?! lol
I think you just wrote his next column.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 07, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
I think you just wrote his next column.
well, the BC was originally built to house a hockey team. Great seats everywhere in the house at Admirals games.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 07, 2008, 04:44:51 PM
Great seats everywhere in the house at Admirals games.
Great
sections everywhere in the house at Admirals games.
since they don't sell upper bowl tix unless it's against the Wolves normally, I'd still argue great seats...maybe not the actual seats but the views from the seats.
I only go to watch the Admirals when they play my beloved Rockford Icehogs. In all of those games the upper deck was open. Granted one had a Bret Michaels concert after it...
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 07, 2008, 05:28:57 PM
I only go to watch the Admirals when they play my beloved Rockford Icehogs. In all of those games the upper deck was open. Granted one had a Bret Michaels concert after it...
When I worked at the BC, Rick Springfield had a concert after an Admirals.
I was just in awe.
I for one was proud of the student section saturday night. They showed up in mass with finals looming. I really cannot say anything about their drinking habits that night or how rude/crude/awesome their chants might have been as i sit in the corner behind the MU bench so the only chants or remarks i heard were teh ones that mustard enough support to carry that far.
It was a great game and if the beer lines in teh student sections were as long as the ones in my section, they probably were drinking their fair share. :)
After reading the article last week, I would agree with one or two paragraphs of it. The whole gist of his article was not that the students were yelling at our own players that was only a small part, the majority was about the students ragging the refs to much. As was shown on Saturday, when its a big game the students do not just rag on the refs they are into the game. The game this idiot was writing about was a non-conference game that no one cared about and neither did he since he did not say one word about the outcome of the game in his article. The students tore him a new one on Saturday and it was awesome, I hope he writes another blog about that.
I'm with you Jaybilas. I thought for sure the freezing/windy conditions coupled with finals would keep some people home or at least keep them out of line before the doors opened, but once everyone in line filled in the seats, the student section was at least 2/3 full 2 hrs. before tip. Oh and the "f*@k the badgers" chant was out in full force. I could actually make it out pretty clear at one point on the TWS replay last night.
Quote from: muwarrior87 on December 05, 2008, 12:40:25 PM
let's get back on track. F'bombs, racial slurs, disability related slurs, and the like are not acceptable. I don't care where you go. There is a difference between being loud and obnoxious and just acting like an idiot. While I'm all for the former, let's represent the school and ourselves with a little more dignity than some of the students have shown this year. MUfan12 and Ahoya know how to do the obnoxious stuff without crossing the line. Myself, gwaki, TT and others have tried to carry on that type of fan experience in the student section. Hell, half the damn people that have come to the games this year don't even pay attention to the game. They are too busy commenting on how an opposing team's player has a small t-shirt on under his jersey or just swearing randomly without thinking about what's going on with the game.
Let's beat the piss out of the Commies on the court and get loud without calling people "faggots" and f'ers
I agree with you here man... and we rarely agree. I get annoyed by the lack of CREATIVITY more than anything. Any moron can make fun of someone who is missing an arm... but if you do it, you bring yourself and others around you down to the level of the moron. Also, the whole "F the ________" chant is so awful... it is the epitomy of lazy. May as well chant, "We can't think of anything better to say"... I mean, if I show up to a UW game and I hear "F Marquette" does that even phase me? nope, I would laugh because it is probably the most unoriginal chant in sports.
Saying we are 'weak' compared to a lot of schools is fine by me. You don't have to be an ass hat to prove that we are 'strong'. Believe me, I got drunk before the games, during the games, and after the games and it wasn't that hard to maintain a buzz.
Pregame with liquor or some Beast Ices (mmm black shield) and bring in a flask if you really can't handle buying beer at the BC...
I hear the Duke student section is pretty creative. In fact I was told at a game against Vanderbilt they were chanting "Safety School!"
while I do hate Duke, something like that is creative, AND hilarious.
Quote from: MU_B2002 on December 08, 2008, 01:43:06 PM
I hear the Duke student section is pretty creative. In fact I was told at a game against Vanderbilt they were chanting "Safety School!"
A lot of schools use the "____ Rejects" chant too. ND chants "Backup College" when they play Boston College.
The last line of the UNC fight song contains the phrase "go to hell Duke" which now has also been substituted with "go to hell State" depending on which nearby rival school they are playing.
The rivalry and hatred between Duke (referred to as dook by Tarheel loyals) and UNC is fiercer than the Ohio State/ Michigan rivalry I grew up with and with them only eight miles apart you can only imagine the level of vitriol spewn by their fans..I've never seen anything like it anywhere, even the Texas/OU rivalry I see on display virtually everyday pales by comparison.
I don't think Fr. Wild would take too kindly to us telling anyone to "go to hell"...
And he condones F*** the badgers or whatever they were chanting? :o
Quote from: BrewCity on December 08, 2008, 02:54:05 PM
I don't think Fr. Wild would take too kindly to us telling anyone to "go to hell"...
He's been saying that to alumni for years.
It seems as though quite a few people like to complain the lack of creativity in the student section, so I suggest that before each game you start a thread with some chants you come up with. It seems as though even when we win everyone has to complain about something. Maybe you should be happy that Marquette has fans that want to wait out in the snow and cold for 14 hours for a basketball game the weekend before finals. Go to a Badger home game and the fans don't show up till half way through the game...but they are drunk so they must be better. Get off the we don't drink enough line, its old.
And as a side note, its not easy to sneak anything in the BC, they pat you down before you get in.
there are plenty of threads that keep popping up on the board that are old and tired... however, that doesn't make them untrue.
also, claiming that it's not easy to sneak anything into the BC is a lie. are you wearing one of your spandex crew suits to wait in line? my guess is that you were wearing about 5 layers on Saturday and they don't pat you down that well. plus, when i was a student, we would get in the arena, wait for them to open the doors to the public an hour before, then get up and head to turners. best of both worlds, got a good seat and was able to hang at the bar till 10 minutes before tip.
so as you can see, the alums are as tired of hearing the students "old" excuses for why they can't drink, as the students are of hearing the alums "old" claims that students today are a bunch of wieners.
Wieners. Excellent.
I have not been patted down at the BC for quite some time. Maybe its because i dont have to wait in line for hours to sit in good seats in the student section. But, a simple way to sneak something in: Where a hooded sweatshirt, put your bottle or whatever in the hood of the sweatshirt and pull the drawstings tight. I have done this on a number of occasions and has never failed me once.
1. love the hoodie idea, never would have thought of that...i usually just put my flask in my pants somewhere (pocket, in the front/back, etc.) 2. i think they only pat the students down, and for good reason...most respectable people who buy season tickets would not sneak booze in...
you would have a hard time sneaking beer cans/bottles in, but hard stuff is really easy...a kid in line at the madison game practically put in a bottle of coke (and whiskey) in his pants in front of security and they let him in...get creative...i had friends tape flasks to their legs for summer fest where you are wearing shorts and a t-shirt and it worked...
I jumped in a little late on this thread, but wow. I've seen enough people being judgemental to those who drink, but it's rare that I see folks being judged for NOT drinking.
I just fail to see any correlation between drinking and being a good fan. I'm happy to see the seats filled regardless, whether you go out pre-game and sit at the top of the upper deck, or wait in line for 8+ hours to get into 106.
I was part of the latter group, and always had a blast at the game sitting down low. I also tend to be a basketball nerd, so staying sober to watch the game with a more analytical view was something I enjoyed. There was plenty of time post-game to go out, and if not, plenty of non-game nights as well. I don't know where the problem is there.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 09, 2008, 08:59:47 AM
there are plenty of threads that keep popping up on the board that are old and tired... however, that doesn't make them untrue.
also, claiming that it's not easy to sneak anything into the BC is a lie. are you wearing one of your spandex crew suits to wait in line? my guess is that you were wearing about 5 layers on Saturday and they don't pat you down that well. plus, when i was a student, we would get in the arena, wait for them to open the doors to the public an hour before, then get up and head to turners. best of both worlds, got a good seat and was able to hang at the bar till 10 minutes before tip.
so as you can see, the alums are as tired of hearing the students "old" excuses for why they can't drink, as the students are of hearing the alums "old" claims that students today are a bunch of wieners.
What a tool thing to say. If you don't drink, you're a bad fan. If a few cranky old alums like you spend their time thinking about the amount of alcohol that MU's student body consumes, I think you
1. Need to assess the priorities in your life
2. Have a boring life and need something else to spend your time thinking about.
Honestly, who cares?
whelp, you cared enough to post...
also is the word tool coming back? I'll have to remember that so i can work it back into my vocabulary after it has been dormant since the 90's.
thanks for keeping us on the board up to date with what the damn wiener kids are saying nowadays.
Quote from: MU gimp ONE on December 09, 2008, 10:20:11 AM
whelp, you cared enough to post...
also is the word tool coming back? I'll have to remember that so i can work it back into my vocabulary after it has been dormant since the 90's.
thanks for keeping us on the board up to date with what the damn wiener kids are saying nowadays.
I find that 'tool' can be used to describe many different types of people, but the bigger the noun you attach to it can express varying degrees of 'toolocity,' if you will.
For instance, that guy is such a toolbox
Or if he happens to be wearing a Grateful Red shirt, he may be a tool-shed.
To answer your question, I don't think it ever really died...I know I used it during college and have found myself saying it since and I'm an '06 grad...