Kolek planning to go pro
Contagious and communicable diseases have been around forever and they will continue to be around for infinity. We do everything we can to eliminate these preventable deaths within reason and what we determine as a country/local community to be within reason seems incredibly inconsistent when you bounce from virus to virus. Why is COVID deaths more important and thus require these draconian measures that we don’t usually even entertain when it comes to other preventable deaths?
Why have you been so flippant about pneumonia, influenza, HAIs, sepsis, or other preventable deaths in previous years? I’m all for doing what we can (within reason) to limit any and all kinds of preventable death . The “within reason” part is what we’re allowing to divide our country even further. To suggest a COVID death in 2020 is more devastating then an influenza death in 2019 or in 2022 is what confuses me.
Attached is risk of death based off latest CDC figures.Of course death isn’t the only thing we need to worry about here, no one wants to get sick and there could be long term health issues as a result but let’s remember that this virus has become largely manageable with improved treatments and early detection.Don’t want to lose site of the forest folks.
Why is COVID deaths more important and thus require these draconian measures that we don’t usually even entertain when it comes to other preventable deaths?
Uh....because this is a much more serious disease?How many hospital ICUs are overrun with influenza patients?
I haven't been flippant about any deaths, and who said a COVID death is more devastating?That said, aren't we well past comparing this to the flu? Hasn't that been proven utterly asinine by now? And what's your definition of "within reason?" Cause I don't see things like asking people to wear a mask, practice social distancing and avoid indoor gatherings where social distancing is not possible as unreasonable. Do you?
During the flu season it’s not unheard of. I’m not comparing it to the flu as far as the contagion of it or the mortality of it. It’s obviously a much more dangerous virus even though you’re comparing flu numbers (that has a vaccine) to a new novel virus that we still have more questions then answers too so not really a fair comparison.I’m comparing the public reaction to a Covid infection or death to an annual influenza death. If the goal of all this is to prevent as man deaths as possible no matter what the virus is called, should these Covid measures (that I largely agree with) be the new normal for every flu season is my question?
Your numbers are misleading. It reports probability of dying each month, based on previous numbers that include quarantines. But, if you want to base things off those numbers, lets put those numbers in perspective. That means:1.6M deaths for 75-84 age group in the next year. 1.2M deaths for 65-74 age group in the next year.0.7M deaths for 55-64 age group in the next year.0.32M deaths for 45-54 age group in the next year.0.13M deaths for 35-44 age group in the next year. For the other age groups you would be expecting between 10k-50k deaths in each age group too. For a grand total of around 4M deaths in the next calendar year. Do you want to trust that source/representation still? I think you lost site of the trees and ran smack into a few of them.
No. As you point out, influenza is less deadly and we have a decent vacinne.
But why wouldn’t this now be the new normal if we can take a flu season that might have 40,000 deaths down to maybe 10,000 deaths?
So then the task force, local governors, and this administration is doing a helluva a job in mitigating this thing is what you’re saying?
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
Pace I won’t attack you for bringing forward mortality. It’s important. The reality is though we’ve had to cancel elective surgeries in significant population centers and 900 people per day are dying. In those areas the economy is still in shambles despite having less restrictions. We are creating a level of spread that puts schools in jeopardy of opening and a scary situation in the fall when we need all these beds for the pesky flu. That’s my Forest.
Slippery slope arguments are logical fallacies.I take your point, but 40k deaths per year with zero attempts at mitigation is one thing.We are well past 140k in 4 months with lockdowns, social distancing, and mask wearing.Without those measures... you do realize how bad this would be, right?
Obviously not. Compare what we're staring at to what the rest of the world is staring at, and you can objectively say that we have failed as a nation.
And what is that, that we’ve objectively failed at as a country? The lack of uniting together but rather having bickering partisan battles? Mask wearing compliance? Sneaking out during lock down? Not washing hands?We implemented all of the same strategies and recommendations as other countries aside from maybe our policies around nursing homes.The lack of compliance by the public to those policies is our fault and our fault alone as a people.
I will agree that the public non compliance is a major problem. What is the underlying reason? Leadership without a unified message steeped in science.You do see that a lot of the people who refuse to wear masks etc don't seem to be the most intelligent people, right? The majority of these folks follow what the President and his circle has said, and what they do. They don't listen to science, they listen to their master.
Classic Scoop. One guy makes an observation that is clearly not aligned with reality and a dozen Scoopers argue over and over and over to no avail. Almost like Chicos never left.