IDF targets and kills food aid workers

[NCMUFan]

Our reluctance to supply Israel with arms may have something to do with not wanting to be a part of actions like this again (this was posted previously):

https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

The ICC was widely expected to bring warcrimes, crimes against humanity, and possibly genocide charges against Netanyahu and their generals a couple weeks ago. As a result the US and Israel openly threatened the ICC with retaliation.

Maybe we didn't want to supply arms, because we could be directly implicated (and charged) in warcrimes if we gave them weapons that they then used in Rafah, knowing that the above transpired previously, and knowing the history of indiscriminate attacks in this conflict.

FWIW.
It appears neither the USA or Israel belong to the ICC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

[JWags85]

This is not speaking to the political aims of Netanyahu, but just the potential military command operational strategy…found it a pretty interesting read regardless

https://x.com/mr_andrew_fox/status/1789362758024069399?s=46

[Pakuni]

This is not speaking to the political aims of Netanyahu, but just the potential military command operational strategy…found it a pretty interesting read regardless

https://x.com/mr_andrew_fox/status/1789362758024069399?s=46

Interesting, but he lost me here:
"All whilst shifting hundreds of thousands of civilians out of harm’s way and minimising innocent casualties."

There's plenty of evidence that the IDF has shifted civilians into harm's way and done little to minimize innocent casualties.
I'd also point out a gap in logic here. He wants to argue that the IDF is executing this brilliant military campaign that's achieving its strategic goals while not only minimizing civilian casualties, but going out of the way to protect civilians. And yet, but his own admission, the IDF and Israeli government won't say this is what they're doing. They saying quite the opposite, and at great cost to their support both domestically and internationally.
Why would they do that? He has no answer, expect to brush is aside as "err... that's politics" as if the political goals can be separated from the military goals.
I'm far from a military expect, so it's entirely possible he's got it right. But at the surface level, it seems a bit more like what he wishes Israel was doing than what Israel actually is doing.

[Hards Alumni]

Doc

Great post. You will get bashed for your views by the usual suspects, but thanks for posting.

It's nonsense.  Israel doesn't need our money or weapons to continue to blow up the Gaza strip.  They have plenty of money and bombs of their own.

[MuggsyB]

It's nonsense.  Israel doesn't need our money or weapons to continue to blow up the Gaza strip.  They have plenty of money and bombs of their own.

We should annex the entire Middle East with Israel.  It's the right decision .  My 5 point plan is the only solution.  You and many others here are on the wrong side and your fake outrage over Palestinians isn't fooling anyone. 

[Hards Alumni]

We should annex the entire Middle East with Israel.  It's the right decision .  My 5 point plan is the only solution.  You and many others here are on the wrong side and your fake outrage over Palestinians isn't fooling anyone.

Yeah, well you're a dumb dumb poopy head.

[MuggsyB]

Yeah, well you're a dumb dumb poopy head.

Were you outraged when Assad gassed his  own people is Syria?  Are you outraged at all about Boko Haram or the scumbags in Niger?  Are you outraged about the treatment of the Uygurs in China?  Darfur?  Rwanda? Sierra Leonne?  Did any of these things upset you or is it only Israel and the IDF?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Were you outraged when Assad gassed his  own people is Syria?  Are you outraged at all about Boko Haram or the scumbags in Niger?  Are you outraged about the treatment of the Uygurs in China?  Darfur?  Rwanda? Sierra Leonne?  Did any of these things upset you or is it only Israel and the IDF?

I think it’s terrible that human beings kill one another. Does outrage over one situation always need to be matched by another?

[Lennys Tap]

Yeah, well you're a dumb dumb poopy head.

Just what a 3 year old having a temper tantrum would say.

[forgetful]

FWIW.
It appears neither the USA or Israel belong to the ICC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

Russia does not belong to the ICC either, but at the behest of largely the USA, they were charged with war crimes and arrest warrants issued for Putin and his generals. This was done on the legal argument that the ICC had jurisdiction, because Ukraine joined the ICC.

The rest of the world is saying the ICC has jurisdiction here on the same grounds, because the PLO and Palestine joined the ICC. In an embarrassing move, the USA and Israel are now saying the same legal argument they successfully made against Russia, is invalid.

Even more embarrassing when the USA and Israel threaten the ICC with retaliation if they do their job.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Fake news: Everyone agreed that the worm died after eating part of JR's brain.

[Plaque Lives Matter!]

Were you outraged when Assad gassed his  own people is Syria?  Are you outraged at all about Boko Haram or the scumbags in Niger?  Are you outraged about the treatment of the Uygurs in China?  Darfur?  Rwanda? Sierra Leonne?  Did any of these things upset you or is it only Israel and the IDF?

Pointing out other ethnic cleansing and atrocities doesn’t make the ongoing Gaza one any more acceptable. Is your point that since those haven’t been brought up here that we aren’t allowed to be outraged by it?

Pointing out those other disgusting humanitarian disasters suggests you are equating them to the current situation, but that this one’s ok.

[MU82]

From my seat far away, anyway, this seems like it was settled reasonably ...

The encampment is ending at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee.

UWM and pro-Palestinian protesters reached an agreement Sunday afternoon, two weeks after tents went up on the lawn outside Mitchell Hall in defiance of a state rule banning camping on campus property.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/education/2024/05/12/uw-milwaukee-strikes-deal-with-protesters-to-taken-down-encampment/73666887007/?utm_source=jsonline-dailybriefing-strada&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=dailybriefing-greeting&utm_term=hero&utm_content=pmjs-milwaukee-nletter65

Protesters said the encampment was a "vital tool in pressuring UWM to cut any and all ties" with Israel after more diplomatic attempts to negotiate with administrators went nowhere.

"After hard fought edits and careful consideration by the coalition, we determined that we had obtained all possible benefits from our encampment," multiple student groups said in a joint statement. "This does not mean that we have ended our struggle."

Similar to the deal UW-Madison struck Friday, UWM protesters will meet with university foundation leaders to discuss divesting from companies connected with Israel.

"We recognized divestment is not an overnight process," the student groups said, adding they expect a divestment timeline will come out of the first meeting.

Unlike UW-Madison, UWM did not send in police to try clearing the encampment. Instead, the university took a hands-off approach in the first week and met with protest leaders three times over the past week.

For some students on campus, the lack of action from administrators was upsetting. Others said so long as the campers were peaceful, they didn't see it as a problem worth involving police.

"The most common question asked of us involved when police would be sent in to break up the encampment," UWM Chancellor Mark Mone said in a campus message. "Our consistent answer: UWM leadership prioritized the safety of everyone involved, which meant seeking resolution through dialogue with our students."

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Yes, that was handled very well by both UWM and the students. Exactly how it should be done.

[lawdog77]

Yes, that was handled very well by both UWM and the students. Exactly how it should be done.

What does it mean, companies "connected"to Israel?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

What does it mean, companies "connected"to Israel?

Don't know.

[forgetful]

What does it mean, companies "connected"to Israel?

Most likely, it means something similar to divestment calls related to South Africa back in the day. That means any company doing business with, or in Israel.

Notably, most schools did divest from any companies connected to Apartheid South Africa.

But, some calls for divestment from Israel take on a simpler level, and really focus on defense companies that do business with Israel, think companies like Lockheed Martin.

I don't think there will be full divestment no matter what, largely because of how complicated University investments are today, but they may divest from funds that are directly under their control.

[forgetful]

For those that think Israel is just defending themselves. Can they explain why Israel has also destroyed almost all the farmland in Gaza, fields and trees destroyed, so that it will take many years to restore them.

There was no fighting at the farm fields. They are not military targets.

It is just another example of collective punishment of the people, and looks like a general goal to make Gaza unlivable.