NFC North/NFL Thread 2016-17

[RJax55]

I'm mad the Bears didn't take that Osweiler offer from the Texans, that was a steal by the Browns.

A great move by Cleveland. The amount of high picks they have in the '17 and '18 drafts is insane. You should know that creative thinking doesn't exist in the Bears front office.

Brutal day so far for the Bears. Missed on Gilmore and Bouye. I think Pace was banking on getting Gilmore.

[brandx]

What does it say about the Bears, that as a Bears fan I would have loved to see Tyrod Taylor playing for Chicago next year.

See. Gb and Bears fans CAN agree. I, too, would have loved to see Tyrod Taylor playing for the Bears next year. I loved it as long as Cutler was QB and I think I will have the same "fondness" for Glennon.

[brandx]

Cleveland has over $100M in cap space. Totally worth taking a flyer on Osweiler to get more picks. Word is that they'll try to move him but I'm not sure there are any takers.

They have to spend the money. They got a 2nd rounder for a 4th and 6th just for taking Osweiler. Brock can run a last place offense as well as anyone.

[MUBurrow]

Cleveland has over $100M in cap space. Totally worth taking a flyer on Osweiler to get more picks. Word is that they'll try to move him but I'm not sure there are any takers.

Trading cap space (by taking on bad contracts) in exchange for draft assets. Que NBA.

As an aside, this is the #2 reason the NFL's comp system sucks - after the fact that the most violent sport we have throws injured players on the nonguaranteed contract, uncompensated trash heap when its done with them.  That minor detail aside, the NBA's and MLB's "deal with the bad contracts you make" lend themselves to much more fun wheeling and dealing and armchair GM-ing.

[MerrittsMustache]

A great move by Cleveland. The amount of high picks they have in the '17 and '18 drafts is insane. You should know that creative thinking doesn't exist in the Bears front office.

Brutal day so far for the Bears. Missed on Gilmore and Bouye. I think Pace was banking on getting Gilmore.

Also missed out on Wagner and let Alshon walk for basically what they could have paid him by using the franchise tag. Team's new #1 WR has played 4 games in 2 seasons and their other top WR was a QB 2 years ago. Yeesh...

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Also missed out on Wagner and let Alshon walk for basically what they could have paid him by using the franchise tag. Team's new #1 WR has played 4 games in 2 seasons and their other top WR was a QB 2 years ago. Yeesh...

Yeah, yeah.

But now they have a great QB, so everything is better.

[nyg]

They have to spend the money. They got a 2nd rounder for a 4th and 6th just for taking Osweiler. Brock can run a last place offense as well as anyone.

NFL network claiming the Browns are gonna cut him.  Also saying no one really wants Romo.....

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Also missed out on Wagner and let Alshon walk for basically what they could have paid him by using the franchise tag. Team's new #1 WR has played 4 games in 2 seasons and their other top WR was a QB 2 years ago. Yeesh...

Kevin White is garbage. Said it two years ago when he got drafted and will keep saying it until otherwise disproven.

[GGGG]

Trading cap space (by taking on bad contracts) in exchange for draft assets. Que NBA.

As an aside, this is the #2 reason the NFL's comp system sucks - after the fact that the most violent sport we have throws injured players on the nonguaranteed contract, uncompensated trash heap when its done with them.  That minor detail aside, the NBA's and MLB's "deal with the bad contracts you make" lend themselves to much more fun wheeling and dealing and armchair GM-ing.

You do realize that if the contracts were guaranteed, that the value of the contracts would decrease considerably.  That's why there is always a total contract value, but the "guaranteed money" is the most important. 

[GGGG]

Also missed out on Wagner and let Alshon walk for basically what they could have paid him by using the franchise tag. Team's new #1 WR has played 4 games in 2 seasons and their other top WR was a QB 2 years ago. Yeesh...

Not sure why everyone is big on Alshon.  He's hurt half the time and disinterested most of the other half.  Sure he'll have a decent game or two, but IMO not worth an investment.

[MUBurrow]

You do realize that if the contracts were guaranteed, that the value of the contracts would decrease considerably.  That's why there is always a total contract value, but the "guaranteed money" is the most important.

Sure, but its not like the players would receive less money in the aggregate. That gets decided by salary floors, etc. So I think the ability to overreport the nonguaranteed money creates the false impression that everyone is making more money than they actually are.  That both disproportionately hurts the guys at the bottom of the roster where none of the $$ is guaranteed and puts too much of the onus for football's violence on the labor vs the capital, imho.

[cheebs09]

Ted getting frisky by signing Marcellus Bennett.

[jsglow]

Ted getting frisky by signing Marcellus Bennett.

Interesting switch at TE.  Want to know the relative contracts.  Bennett is big time.

[ChitownSpaceForRent]

Ted getting frisky by signing Marcellus Bennett.

*Martellus

Looks like the signed Bennett mini helmet I have will be going into storage.

[DegenerateDish]

I don't know if going from Cook to Bennett is an upgrade.

[wadesworld]

I don't know if going from Cook to Bennett is an upgrade.

You also thought Cook was going to be a negative for the Packers and he was probably the most important offensive weapon outside of Rodgers last year.

[DegenerateDish]

You also thought Cook was going to be a negative for the Packers and he was probably the most important offensive weapon outside of Rodgers last year.

In the regular season last year, Cook was an adequate TE, missed six games due to injury. If you said in the playoffs, then yes, but he was basically an average NFL starter for the 2016 campaign, and his stats certainly show that.

I'm very interested and curious how he'll socially fit into Green Bay. He's an interesting dude to say the least. We'll see what kind of coin he got, but my gut instinct when I saw Bennett to GB was bad fit.

[wadesworld]

In the regular season last year, Cook was an adequate TE, missed six games due to injury. If you said in the playoffs, then yes, but he was basically an average NFL starter for the 2016 campaign, and his stats certainly show that.

I'm very interested and curious how he'll socially fit into Green Bay. He's an interesting dude to say the least. We'll see what kind of coin he got, but my gut instinct when I saw Bennett to GB was bad fit.

In my opinion it was far more than the stats.  Including the Playoffs, the Packers were 10-3 when Cook played and 2-4 when he did not play.  He was the one Packer who could run down the seam and open up the middle of the field.

[GGGG]

In my opinion it was far more than the stats.  Including the Playoffs, the Packers were 10-3 when Cook played and 2-4 when he did not play.  He was the one Packer who could run down the seam and open up the middle of the field.

Which Bennett can do as well.

But unless he plays cornerback, I am not sure it matters.

[wadesworld]

Which Bennett can do as well.

But unless he plays cornerback, I am not sure it matters.

Agreed and agreed.  Need to address CBs big time and pass rush a bit.

[brandx]

Which Bennett can do as well.

But unless he plays cornerback, I am not sure it matters.

Interesting how Belichick has no problem going out and signing a top CB. They need a WR and bill pulls the trigger on that one too.

What Ted did last year was criminal. GB had the worst set of cBs in the entire NFL - not even one guy who was close to average. And Ted sat on his hands and threw away another season. Even an average defense would have gotten them to more SBs.

If TT thinks they can win with what they have, he is clueless. And drafting a corner isn't gonna fix the problem. They needed to sign a veteran.

[wadesworld]

https://mobile.twitter.com/AaronRodgers12/status/840345535064104960

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[wadesworld]

Interesting how Belichick has no problem going out and signing a top CB. They need a WR and bill pulls the trigger on that one too.

What Ted did last year was criminal. GB had the worst set of cBs in the entire NFL - not even one guy who was close to average. And Ted sat on his hands and threw away another season. Even an average defense would have gotten them to more SBs.

If TT thinks they can win with what they have, he is clueless. And drafting a corner isn't gonna fix the problem. They needed to sign a veteran.

Going into last season the DBs looked like they were going to be the strength of the defense by a wide margin. Losing your top 3 corners for significant time will take a solid group and make them bad. Not much you can do in the middle of the season to fix it. There was nothing criminal about it unless someone told him what the future was.

About 30 teams would take Ted in a heartbeat over what they have.

[DegenerateDish]

I'm surprised the Pack didn't go after Logan Ryan or Prince Amukamara, especially Prince. The deal he signed with the Bears was a great below market deal, with zero risk.

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No one cares about Black Unicorn. Fix the effing secondary Ted.