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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: MarquetteFan94 on May 19, 2010, 07:39:12 AM
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I know there's an NHL Playoff thread, but the Hawks deserve their own.
This is getting good.....7 straight playoff wins on the road. This team is clicking at the right time.....can't get too far ahead and need to play better at home....the UC will be unbelievable on Friday night!
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As a Red Wings fan, this is like watching UWM make the Sweet 16 all over again.
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If you live in Chicago, and can't get tickets to the games go down to Madison Street at all of the bars just east of the stadium, its intense. I am so happy that we kept "Big Buff" because there was talk of trading him in the middle of the season. He has been a key to our success.
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If you live in Chicago, and can't get tickets to the games go down to Madison Street at all of the bars just east of the stadium, its intense. I am so happy that we kept "Big Buff" because there was talk of trading him in the middle of the season. He has been a key to our success.
Buff has been a monster. The West End on Madison is the next best thing to being inside the game.
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Sounds like the Hawks are on their way to a Campbell Conference Championship! I'm sorry... I meant the Conférence de L'Ouest.
And here I thought Bettman was going to ruin the NHL.
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Did anyone else catch Mike Emrick drop Pat Foley's, "and Antti Niemi said NO!" line during the first peroid last night? Awesome.
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Did anyone else catch Mike Emrick drop Pat Foley's, "and Antti Niemi said NO!" line during the first peroid last night? Awesome.
That phrase has become an ongoing joke with my roommates and I since the beginning of the playoffs. It is hilarious and appropriate for really any situation. Love it.
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Sweep! 4 more to go....bring on the Flyers!
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The Cup is in the building.
(http://www.steamershockey.com/steamers/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/hayden-panettiere-stanley-cup-01.jpg)
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Blackhawks doubling up the Flyers on shots.
Twenty minutes remaining.
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Congratulations to the Blackhawks- coolest jersies in all professional sports.
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Congratulations to the Blackhawks- coolest jersies in all professional sports.
What are you smoking and where can I get some?
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The bandwagon is bursting.
Congrats to the Hawks fans that could name 10 players in October. You guys deserve it.
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The bandwagon is bursting.
Congrats to the Hawks fans that could name 10 players in October. You guys deserve it.
Thanks! It's been an awesome ride. I can't really believe it yet, especially with the last goal being the way it was. This was really a great night.
Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa, Seabrook, Campbell, Huet, Sharp, Byfuglien (ok, so I didn't know how to spell that in October), Hjalmarsson (that one either), Eager, Ladd...
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Look at Blackhawk attendance compared to their record over the last 4-5 years. Hilarious.
While a good team always draws better, the extent of front-running in Chicago is beyond comprehension.
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Look at Blackhawk attendance compared to their record over the last 4-5 years. Hilarious.
While a good team always draws better, the extent of front-running in Chicago is beyond comprehension.
Yes, because Brewers and Bucks fans would never be front-runners or jump on the bandwagon when the team is good. They're always there through thick and thin ::)
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I don't get what the big deal is about all the new blackhawk fans? Who really gives a crap about when someone became a fan and why they became a fan. Front running, band wagon fans, fairweather fans are everywhere and exist for all teams.
Does this all just boil down to Wisconsin v Chicago?
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Look at Blackhawk attendance compared to their record over the last 4-5 years. Hilarious.
While a good team always draws better, the extent of front-running in Chicago is beyond comprehension.
Do you know anything about it beyond a statistical comparison between record and attendance? There just happens to have been a change in ownership within the time frame you mentioned. They put the games on tv for the first time in years; they brought in a top marketing guy; they started actually paying a few players and trying to put together a good team. There were a bunch of other things as well, but the point is the team worked hard to welcome the fans back after a period in which many lost interest for a variety of reasons. Sometimes it's not as simple as "they played better so people became fans."
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They just hate Chicago, and can't stand the fact that ANY Chicago team one. Wubba Wubba :'( GO BLACKHAWKS!!
Nobody who is a Blackhawks fan has to justify why and when they became a fan to anyone, who are you to cast judgement
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Yes, because Brewers and Bucks fans would never be front-runners or jump on the bandwagon when the team is good. They're always there through thick and thin ::)
I said the extent of front-running is a lot higher. Hawks were 29th (next to last) in attendance to 1st in 3 years. High correlation with record. As I stated, with winning there is always attendancce upside, but 29th to 1st in 3 years. Come on. As a percentage of population, Bucks and Brewers probably draw better.
Same thing happened with the Bears too, until they downsized to the smallest stadium in the league, (for the 3rd largest city in USA).
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I said the extent of front-running is a lot higher. Hawks were 29th (next to last) in attendance to 1st in 3 years. High correlation with record. As I stated, with winning there is always attendancce upside, but 29th to 1st in 3 years. Come on. As a percentage of population, Bucks and Brewers probably draw better.
Chicago's a metro area of 9 million people, OF COURSE the percentage will be better.
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I said the extent of front-running is a lot higher. Hawks were 29th (next to last) in attendance to 1st in 3 years. High correlation with record. As I stated, with winning there is always attendancce upside, but 29th to 1st in 3 years. Come on. As a percentage of population, Bucks and Brewers probably draw better.
Same thing happened with the Bears too, until they downsized to the smallest stadium in the league, (for the 3rd largest city in USA).
Funny when the Packers couldn't sell out County Stadium in the early 90's, that's not mentioned.
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I don't get what the big deal is about all the new blackhawk fans? Who really gives a crap about when someone became a fan and why they became a fan. Front running, band wagon fans, fairweather fans are everywhere and exist for all teams.
Does this all just boil down to Wisconsin v Chicago?
I just don't buy the long-suffering fan bit from people who couldn't pronounce Toews in April. That's all.
I really am happy for the Hawks fans I know that have been there through thick and thin. I know how I felt when the Brewers finally made the playoffs for the first time in my life, and I can't imagine how it would feel to win a title.
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Chicago's a metro area of 9 million people, OF COURSE the percentage will be better.
Why is that exactly? Because Bucks and Brewers have better fans? ;)
Percentages should be flat unless one fan base is more rabid (etc etc) than the other.
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I just don't buy the long-suffering fan bit from people who couldn't pronounce Toews in April. That's all.
I really am happy for the Hawks fans I know that have been there through thick and thin. I know how I felt when the Brewers finally made the playoffs for the first time in my life, and I can't imagine how it would feel to win a title.
A better test might be to ask the 'fans' to name 5 players from the '92 Cup team.
This all remids me of my Junior year at MU (2002-2003) when all of the Bears fans came out of hibernation for the season. Flags and brand new hats and jerseys were everywhere. Then next year rolled around and for some reason all of the signs and hats and jerseys were stashed back in the closet.
I realize it happens with every fan base, but for some reason a lot of Chicago fans refuse to admit that it happens in Chicago. I also realize that no matter the sport there are always the lifers who will proclaim they are lifers... to which I only need reply, "I know you are, but I'm not accusing you of anything." For some reason they feel the need to come to the defense of all the fairweather fans and pretend they would have been lifers because of reason x, y, and z. When in reality, the people are fairweathers because they ARE FAIRWEATHERS.
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A better test might be to ask the 'fans' to name 5 players from the '92 Cup team.
This all remids me of my Junior year at MU (2002-2003) when all of the Bears fans came out of hibernation for the season. Flags and brand new hats and jerseys were everywhere. Then next year rolled around and for some reason all of the signs and hats and jerseys were stashed back in the closet.
I realize it happens with every fan base, but for some reason a lot of Chicago fans refuse to admit that it happens in Chicago. I also realize that no matter the sport there are always the lifers who will proclaim they are lifers... to which I only need reply, "I know you are, but I'm not accusing you of anything." For some reason they feel the need to come to the defense of all the fairweather fans and pretend they would have been lifers because of reason x, y, and z. When in reality, the people are fairweathers because they ARE FAIRWEATHERS.
My sophomore year (2003-2004) all of a sudden there were a TON of Cubs fans then they collapse in the playoffs and a year later (if I'm remembering correctly), all those Cubs fans became White Sox fans because they were CHICAGO fans.
Yeah right.
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My second favorite sports moment in college was that Cubs meltdown. With every run, you could hear the Cubs fans cheering and jerking each other off... I lived in a house that abutts the alley between 15th and 16th, so I could hear it all. I wonder if they heard me cheer when they were bounced from the playoffs.
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My sophomore year (2003-2004) all of a sudden there were a TON of Cubs fans then they collapse in the playoffs and a year later (if I'm remembering correctly), all those Cubs fans became White Sox fans because they were CHICAGO fans.
Yeah right.
I agree with you entirely on the fair weatherdom. When Boston won it all everyone at MU had Boston gear on, I mean really...But there are fans that don't shout from the rooftops when there team is doing good.
Seeing Roenick get teary eyed at the fact that the Hawks won it, and he wanted to do it in Chicago pretty much sums up how bad the Hawks suffered not only in his later years with the Hawks but until 2007 when Chicago returned to hockey.
People forget that hockey was locked out in 2005, and no games were played. As a Hawks fan and hockey fan this is good for the sport. There aren't to many hockey fans in my generation as the Bulls were the team when I was younger, so theres a generation gap in terms of hockey in Chicago.
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I realize it happens with every fan base, but for some reason a lot of Chicago fans refuse to admit that it happens in Chicago. I also realize that no matter the sport there are always the lifers who will proclaim they are lifers... to which I only need reply, "I know you are, but I'm not accusing you of anything." For some reason they feel the need to come to the defense of all the fairweather fans and pretend they would have been lifers because of reason x, y, and z. When in reality, the people are fairweathers because they ARE FAIRWEATHERS.
But in the end this is about Wisconsin vs Chicago, Good vs Evil, Cheeseheads vs the FIB motherland. That's what I thought. ;)
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A better test might be to ask the 'fans' to name 5 players from the '92 Cup team.
This all remids me of my Junior year at MU (2002-2003) when all of the Bears fans came out of hibernation for the season. Flags and brand new hats and jerseys were everywhere. Then next year rolled around and for some reason all of the signs and hats and jerseys were stashed back in the closet.
I realize it happens with every fan base, but for some reason a lot of Chicago fans refuse to admit that it happens in Chicago. I also realize that no matter the sport there are always the lifers who will proclaim they are lifers... to which I only need reply, "I know you are, but I'm not accusing you of anything." For some reason they feel the need to come to the defense of all the fairweather fans and pretend they would have been lifers because of reason x, y, and z. When in reality, the people are fairweathers because they ARE FAIRWEATHERS.
I don't know of any "real fan" who defends bandwagon fans who claim to be lifelong fans. Most real fans find bandwagon fans just as insufferable as you do.
That being said, bandwagon fans also remind of, oh, several weeks ago when a bunch of Bucks fans all of a sudden appeared in Milwaukee. Or what about when the Brewers made the playoffs and, out of no where, everyone was a lifelong Brewers fan? It happens everywhere, including Chicago, but just because you hate Chicago teams, that doesn't mean it happens there more often than any place else.
I'll be the first to admit that I was a hockey fan as a youth, lost interest for a long while and came back to the sport in the last couple years. I'm thrilled that the Blackhawks won, not because of my fandom, but because of all the die-hards out there who stuck with this team even while Bill Wirtz was destroying it. Those people deserve to see their team win the Cup.
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I'll be the first to admit that I was a hockey fan as a youth, lost interest for a long while and came back to the sport in the last couple years. I'm thrilled that the Blackhawks won, not because of my fandom, but because of all the die-hards out there who stuck with this team even while Bill Wirtz was destroying it. Those people deserve to see their team win the Cup.
I don't really understand the big problem that everyone has with bandwagon fans anyway, but this really is a special case because of what you just wrote above. Sure there are a lot of people just cheering because they won, but there are also many, many people who were Hawks fans and drifted away because of the lunacy of Bill Wirtz' ownership. I don't think you can really begrudge the people who stopped following a team that really didn't seem to care about them, and actually went out of its way to make being a fan harder.
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Their just pissed because they have to chear for the Minnesota Wild as their NHL team. Just like people in Indiana root for the White Sox.
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I don't know of any "real fan" who defends bandwagon fans who claim to be lifelong fans. Most real fans find bandwagon fans just as insufferable as you do.
That being said, bandwagon fans also remind of, oh, several weeks ago when a bunch of Bucks fans all of a sudden appeared in Milwaukee. Or what about when the Brewers made the playoffs and, out of no where, everyone was a lifelong Brewers fan? It happens everywhere, including Chicago, but just because you hate Chicago teams, that doesn't mean it happens there more often than any place else.
I'll be the first to admit that I was a hockey fan as a youth, lost interest for a long while and came back to the sport in the last couple years. I'm thrilled that the Blackhawks won, not because of my fandom, but because of all the die-hards out there who stuck with this team even while Bill Wirtz was destroying it. Those people deserve to see their team win the Cup.
I don't think any rational person would disagree with you... which is why i said "every fan base".
And yes, I have met plenty of Chicago fans who defend the fairweathers by mentioning things like Bill Wirtz. Don't try to defend the fairweather fans, with such things. It may disenfranchise some people, but the vast majority don't even know who Bill Wirtz is, and would have been Hawks fans if the team was winning, regardless of who the owner was.
See what I'm saying?
I have had a torrid relationship with the Bucks for years. They play great for the first month or two, only to tank it. It kills me. And even when they had the best team in the East in 2001, they don't get a legitimate shot because the NBA decided that the 76ers were a better fit for the finals (I don't really want to rehash this argument again, I am convinced and this is really about MY feelings towards the Bucks and the NBA).
I really started caring about the Brewers back when County Stadium was months away from coming down. I haven't been a lifer, but I did casually watch games in the 90's when there was nothing else on. County Stadium was insufferable and I was extremely happy the day the AAA ballpark came down in Milwaukee.
I'd say my relationship with the Bucks and Brewers is that I expect them to fail, and watch them fail, but when they do well I get really excited only to watch the teams fall on their faces; or in the case of the 2001 Bucks, get pushed down on their faces.
Oh, and damuts222, I don't know a single Minnesota Wild fan in Wisconsin, and I've lived here most of my life. Personally, I am a Wings fan. On the other hand, I know PLENTY of Hawks fans from Wisconsin. So please don't act like this is another "Wisconsin is jealous of Chicago" (newsflash, we aren't) thing.
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"Wisconsin is jealous of Chicago" (newsflash, we aren't) thing.
I know, just giving you a hard time. Every team and every city is full of "fairweather johnsons" just waiting for the chance to root for a winner.
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Oh, and damuts222, I don't know a single Minnesota Wild fan in Wisconsin, and I've lived here most of my life. Personally, I am a Wings fan. On the other hand, I know PLENTY of Hawks fans from Wisconsin. So please don't act like this is another "Wisconsin is jealous of Chicago" (newsflash, we aren't) thing.
I never said that Wisconsin is jealous of Chicago Hards, but people from Wisconsin root against most of the Chicago teams given that the Bucks and Brewers have rivalries with Chicago teams. I have no problem with that.
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Also, being from Chicago I don't know why you would be jealous of Chicago because most of our teams until recently had some of the longest streaks since winning a title. The White Sox finally won, the Hawks won, the Bulls one multiple times, and the Cubs...wait til next year.
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They just hate Chicago, and can't stand the fact that ANY Chicago team one. Wubba Wubba :'( GO BLACKHAWKS!!
Nobody who is a Blackhawks fan has to justify why and when they became a fan to anyone, who are you to cast judgement
Their just pissed because they have to chear for the Minnesota Wild as their NHL team. Just like people in Indiana root for the White Sox.
Geez, man. It really doesn't matter to most of us who "one" the Stanley Cup this year, or who "one" it last year. As far as hating when Chicago teams win, at least you hit that on the head. I met a fair amount of friends in Abbottsford three years ago from the Chicago area. In getting to know them, I obviously inquired about all of their sports interests at one point or another. Answers included: Cubs, Bears, White Sox, Bulls, U of I football, all backed up with posters, hats, jerseys and the like. Blackhawks? Not even a mention. Now? Jerseys, hats, and presumably Chelsea Dagger ringtones, all with a smug admittance that "they've been fans for awhile now". All I can do is shake my head. And if you think this is some rare, isolated case, I'll vehemently disagree with you.
Oh well, to each "there" own. If you've been a big supporter of that team, congrats on the championship, and enjoy the celebration.
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FYI "Chelsea Dagger" was cooler when it was an EPL thing... four years ago.
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To all die hard Blackhawk lifers....Congratulations. To the bandwagon jumpers, well.....
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To all die hard Blackhawk lifers....Congratulations.
Thank You.
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What an unbelievable season! The atmosphere in the city last night was incredible. A very fitting end with Kane's goal sealing the deal in OT. The parade will be the perfect kickoff to the weekend.
Here's to many more!
Go Hawks!!
p.s. Hawks/Chicago fans....it may be best to not get wrapped up in any back-and-forth and ignore the WI people who have nothing better to do than rip on Chicago fans at this point......think of their situation....it would be challenging. e.g. It would be pretty pointless and embarrassing for MU fans to rip on Alabama fans for winning the BCS.
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Do people have problems with "bandwagon" fans or just people who put on the appearance of being a fan because it is cool?
I could not have named a Blackhawk player (besides Kane) before about 3-4 weeks ago. The last two weeks however, I was all in. Every goal they scored, I yelled, every opponent's goal I swore (when my nine year old wasn't in the room). It was a blast. I enjoyed the last few weeks a ton.
However, I didn't go out and buy a Blackhawks jersey (yes, I know it is called a sweater) to say, "look at me, I'm part of the cool kids group!". I just enjoyed it like I would if any of my teams were playing for a championship. Does that make me a fairweather fan? Who cares? I enjoyed it while it lasted. I am not in it to impress people that I chose to root for a team that was winning.
Now if/when the Cubs ever do win a World Series, I will be the first to point out that I have been a Cubs fan since I was 5 and have watched/listened to more games than I care to count. And all you fairweather Cubs fans can go (@P*#$&@()*... ;D
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MUEng92... you just admitted it in full confidence. That's all I ask for. I'm glad you enjoyed the playoffs, and maybe hockey (and the Blackhawks in particular) gained you and a bunch of other new fans over the past few weeks.
There's no problem with that. I said in another thread that the Milwaukee Bucks had to do the same to regain my support. But gosh, the facade that was put on by a lot of Blackhawks fans (maybe just 21/22 year olds - I don't know) over the past few months was amusing to say the least.
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p.s. Hawks/Chicago fans....it may be best to not get wrapped up in any back-and-forth and ignore the WI people who have nothing better to do than rip on Chicago fans at this point......think of their situation....it would be challenging. e.g. It would be pretty pointless and embarrassing for MU fans to rip on Alabama fans for winning the BCS.
I'm from WI, and my chosen team won it last year... so no, it isn't challenging.
Strange analogy.
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I'm from WI, and my chosen team won it last year... so no, it isn't challenging.
Strange analogy.
Now you're a Penguins fan? So much for Red Wing loyalty. Some fan you are :)
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I'm from WI, and my chosen team won it last year... so no, it isn't challenging.
Strange analogy.
It was a perfect analogy...except I left out how much more ridiculous it would be if it were to happen the day after.
You're from WI.....of course your chosen team is in another state....part of my point.
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Why is that exactly? Because Bucks and Brewers have better fans? ;)
Percentages should be flat unless one fan base is more rabid (etc etc) than the other.
Percent of a population attending a game is affected by the size of the population and the size of the stadium. For example, the Bucks and Blackhawks play in (essentially) the same size stadium. The Bucks need less people to reach a percentage of the population than the Blackhawks do because there's 8 million less people in the Milwaukee metro area.
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Now you're a Penguins fan? So much for Red Wing loyalty. Some fan you are :)
haha, shoooot... 2 years ago :-P time flys :-x With 11 Cup victories, it sure is easy to get confused. ;)
I'm not ripping on the Blackhawks, I'm 'ripping' on all of the fair weather fans who claim to be lifers.
and no, it still isn't a perfect analogy.
I can't rip on the Hawks because my team is from another state? uhhhhh... okay?
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I don't think any rational person would disagree with you... which is why i said "every fan base".
And yes, I have met plenty of Chicago fans who defend the fairweathers by mentioning things like Bill Wirtz. Don't try to defend the fairweather fans, with such things. It may disenfranchise some people, but the vast majority don't even know who Bill Wirtz is, and would have been Hawks fans if the team was winning, regardless of who the owner was.
It's not defending fairweathers, it's pointing out that some of what is seen as fairweathers may just be people returning to fandom.
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Percent of a population attending a game is affected by the size of the population and the size of the stadium. For example, the Bucks and Blackhawks play in (essentially) the same size stadium. The Bucks need less people to reach a percentage of the population than the Blackhawks do because there's 8 million less people in the Milwaukee metro area.
uh okay, but there are still 8,985,000+ people from the Chicago area who didn't attend the Hawks games. With 9 million people you'd think they would be able to fill that stadium every day with the rabid fan base they have!
Or I totally missing the point here. Yes, a bigger percentage of the population is ABLE to attend Milwaukee games (though this is totally a nuts thing to compare, since not everyone who attends a Brewers game is from Milwaukee, or a Brewers fan and vice versa) than Chicago games... but then your point is what? Just that? The obvious? That a larger percentage of Brewers fans can attend Brewers games because there are less of them?
I am truly confused here.
edit: okay, i reread it, and I agree with you... I don't see what mu-rara's point was.
It's not defending fairweathers, it's pointing out that some of what is seen as fairweathers may just be people returning to fandom.
Isn't that the definition of a fair weather fan? Someone who pays attention when the team is good, and when they are bad they forget about them?
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I can't rip on the Hawks because my team is from another state? uhhhhh... okay?
I think maybe he is saying you can't rip on the people that aren't lifers because Wis doesn't have a hockey team of its own for you to root for? That is what I got for the MU vs Alabama BCS analogy.
How can you rip on something you don't a)know anything about or b) have a "dog in the fight."
But I could be wrong.
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and no, it still isn't a perfect analogy.
I can't rip on the Hawks because my team is from another state? uhhhhh... okay?
Sure it is.
Which part doesn't match? The part with one team/program having a ton of tradition, the other group having no team to even speak of in the sport, the part with that team having some dark years before coming back and achieving the ultimate goal or the part with the team winning the most recent championship in their sport?
Yes, I understand one is college the other pro and the sports are different....humor me.
I never said people can't rip on the Blackhawks (as ridiculous is that is the day after winning the Stanley Cup)....all I said was that the WI people are in a "challenging situation".....for many reasons....but part of that could mean that people from WI have no choice but to cheer for/select a team from another city/state if they care to follow the NHL....is that not true?
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Sure it is.
Which part doesn't match? The part with one team/program having a ton of tradition, the other group having no team to even speak of in the sport, the part with that team having some dark years before coming back and achieving the ultimate goal or the part with the team winning the most recent championship in their sport?
Yes, I understand one is college the other pro and the sports are different....humor me.
I never said people can't rip on the Blackhawks (as ridiculous is that is the day after winning the Stanley Cup)....all I said was that the WI people are in a "challenging situation".....for many reasons....but part of that could mean that people from WI have no choice but to cheer for/select a team from another city/state if they care to follow the NHL....is that not true?
Okay, so you are saying that people from WI, who don't claim a team, just rip on the fair weather Hawk's fans because they are from Chicago?
Of course.
I still don't really understand the analogy ;)
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As a Blackhawks fan I'm really torn on the new found love of the Hawks in this city. If it stays like this I will have no problem with it but I felt the same way when the Sox won. Great, you're a fan now, are you still going to be a fan when we have an off year? I know its self righteous to make that argument but these are MY teams good or bad, I still watch them, cheer them on, and pay attention to them when they are doing terrible because they are MY teams. So don't claim that the Hawks are YOUR team as well if you're not willing to stick it out in the tough times like so VERY few of us did in the last 15 yrs.
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Isn't that the definition of a fair weather fan? Someone who pays attention when the team is good, and when they are bad they forget about them?
I was mostly referring to attendance being way down. You protest the way the team is being run by not attending the games.
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I was mostly referring to attendance being way down. You protest the way the team is being run by not attending the games.
ehhhhhhhh but the two are necessarily linked. You protest the way the team is being run because they aren't winning, and you do this by not going to games.
As I said earlier, or in another thread, if the Hawks were winning, but weren't on TV, people would still go to the games... not the other way around.
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ehhhhhhhh but the two are necessarily linked. You protest the way the team is being run because they aren't winning, and you do this by not going to games.
As I said earlier, or in another thread, if the Hawks were winning, but weren't on TV, people would still go to the games... not the other way around.
Yes, but in this specific case, where Wirtz was specifically keeping games off TV in order to drive ticket sales, you protest that nonsense by never going to games.
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If MU lacrosse won a national title there would be a lot of band wagon on this site from Wisconsin. Where does this snobdum end.
I only watch playoff nba, mlb, nhl. I just don't have the time to watch regular season games. But I don't buy Jerseys or team apparel so hopefully the good people from Wisconsin won't hate me to much.
Kane is giving his speech on ESPN 1000. Go blackhawks! We're number one!
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If MU lacrosse won a national title there would be a lot of band wagon on this site from Wisconsin. Where does this snobdum end.
I only watch playoff nba, mlb, nhl. I just don't have the time to watch regular season games. But I don't buy Jerseys or team apparel so hopefully the good people from Wisconsin won't hate me to much.
Kane is giving his speech on ESPN 1000. Go blackhawks! We're number one!
Don't hate fair weathers, just hate that they pretend they aren't.
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Don't hate fair weathers, just hate that they pretend they aren't.
Bingo. I didn't think this was that hard of a concept. Apparently I was wrong.
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I'm so done with all these posers. I'm terribly irritated by these Chicagoans on the 'hawks bandwagon. Real;ly people? did you go to a game 4 years ago when they were the worst franchise is all of sports? Yup, didn't think so.
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I'm so done with all these posers. I'm terribly irritated by these Chicagoans on the 'hawks bandwagon. Real;ly people? did you go to a game 4 years ago when they were the worst franchise is all of sports? Yup, didn't think so.
How do you think the very few of us who DID go to these games feel though. I've kept every ticket from every concert/sporting event I've been too. I double checked and this is the first year I was unable to go at least 1 game. Multiple games a for many years before that too.
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How do you think the very few of us who DID go to these games feel though. I've kept every ticket from every concert/sporting event I've been too. I double checked and this is the first year I was unable to go at least 1 game. Multiple games a for many years before that too.
so basically, your attendance of games every year was keeping them from winning the cup.
glad we solved that mystery!
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so basically, your attendance of games every year was keeping them from winning the cup.
glad we solved that mystery!
I'll take one for the team. Just wasn't in the cards this year. Especially with how hard it became to get tickets this season. Had the money to pay 3x face last year, didn't this year. At least they were on TV though...
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I said the extent of front-running is a lot higher. Hawks were 29th (next to last) in attendance to 1st in 3 years. High correlation with record. As I stated, with winning there is always attendancce upside, but 29th to 1st in 3 years. Come on. As a percentage of population, Bucks and Brewers probably draw better.
Same thing happened with the Bears too, until they downsized to the smallest stadium in the league, (for the 3rd largest city in USA).
It's pretty obvious that you have no idea about the history of the Blackhawks over the past 15 years. While the fans came back to the team much quicker than expected because of the team improving and having some star power, it was going to happen when "old man Wirtz" kicked the bucket. From my perspective, the fans started turning a back on the Blackhawks when they traded Roenick for salary reasons... Chelios was next to go. Then Hawkvision (a paper view subscription to be able to watch the Hawks) pissed off more fans. Blacking out the home games were the last straw for most.
MU rara... there's alot more to it than front running. That's an insult to a town that has averaged the top attendance through many lean years since Jordan left. An insult to Cub and Sox fans despite 100 + years of not winning the big one. I love Wisconsin and Milwaukee... but I'm not gonna insult your Brewers and Bucks fans. But I have to admit... I can't stand the Packers! But that's because I'm a Bears fan (regardless if we win or lose), not unlike Chicago's phenomenal sports fans.
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Defeinitely got sick of reading all the Facebook updates from those I went to MU with about how excited they are about the Hawks, how they wanted to get together and watch the games, and all that baloney. When we were at MU just a few years ago these people either never mentioned hockey or the Blackhawks or ripped how how stupid hockey was whenver I would mention it or be watching a game. For that organization that turned itself around to perfection in a short time and for the fans who knew they didn't just get a team in April, congrats.
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Can someone please start pointing out these fans who walk around saying that they have been going to hawks games for the last 6 years and have not? I think that people from milwuakee invent this bs fan who doesn't exist and then claim they know 100's personally so they can have an excuse to get mad at them.
So what if someone goes out to the bar and gets wasted during a Stanley cup playoff game and they never watched a hockey game before. Why does that bother you so much? Who cares if some 19 year old hi-fives another 19 year old and they didn't follow hockey when they were 15. So f'ing what?
Your state and every state that wins a title this year will be full of the same. You just make up garbage about people from chicago because of your inferiority complex. Pathetic really.
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Can someone please start pointing out these fans who walk around saying that they have been going to hawks games for the last 6 years and have not? I think that people from milwuakee invent this bs fan who doesn't exist and then claim they know 100's personally so they can have an excuse to get mad at them.
I have around 25 people who posted about the Blackhawks on my facebook friends list, who never ONCE mentioned them prior to the playoffs. We aren't inventing people, maybe your eyes are just closed.
So what if someone goes out to the bar and gets wasted during a Stanley cup playoff game and they never watched a hockey game before. Why does that bother you so much? Who cares if some 19 year old hi-fives another 19 year old and they didn't follow hockey when they were 15. So f'ing what?
I don't care! But when I call you a fair weather fan, admit that you are... that is the problem.
our state and every state that wins a title this year will be full of the same. You just make up garbage about people from chicago because of your inferiority complex. Pathetic really.
I always hear from Chicagoans, that people from Wisconsin have this huge inferiority complex... but it doesn't make sense. Your sports teams are historically HORRIBLE. Additionally, if I was so jealous of Chicago, wouldn't I just move there and pretend I was a fan of all the sports? It isn't like there is some special password to get into the city for Christ's sake.
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The difference between larger cities and smaller cities in terms of sports is how much ticket prices increase when your team is doing well. Last year when the Hawks played the Flames at the UC I paid $100 a ticket for the very top row for a game, I can't imagine that in cities like Nashville and Milwaukee that you would have to pay even half that. Not as much demand, due to population and other factors.
I am not happy that that is the way it is, but the Hawks doubled season ticket prices at the end of the last two seasons and it will double again after the success of this season. A guy at work who has had season tickets for 10 years now is getting rid of his season tickets because of the cost increase. Money rules all.
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Your sports teams are historically HORRIBLE. Additionally, if I was so jealous of Chicago, wouldn't I just move there and pretend I was a fan of all the sports? It isn't like there is some special password to get into the city for Christ's sake.
That isn't what i'm talking about at all. I didn't mean to suggest you want to move there.
If there was a Curling league and Wisconsin had a team, but chicago did not, and Wisconsin won a national title, I would post something congratulatory. This is because I grew up in a place that had a neighbor to the north, which made delicious cheese, had good vacations spots and a football team that was our rival. (truth)
You do research on attendance figures and then use them in some crap attempt to attack the validity of the good time that someone is getting out of a national championship. That is because you grew up in a place that had an evil neighbor to the south filled with people who are rude, cheated, drove too fast and too slow and you'd rather have a bed and breakfast in your state close, than have one of them drive past your house to get there. (complex)
And seriously, complain because your FRIENDS used a SOCIAL networking sit to interact with you?! You realize that is what guys do. Did you grow up with a bunch of sisters?
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That isn't what i'm talking about at all. I didn't mean to suggest you want to move there.
If there was a Curling league and Wisconsin had a team, but chicago did not, and Wisconsin won a national title, I would post something congratulatory. This is because I grew up in a place that had a neighbor to the north, which made delicious cheese, had good vacations spots and a football team that was our rival. (truth)
You do research on attendance figures and then use them in some crap attempt to attack the validity of the good time that someone is getting out of a national championship. That is because you grew up in a place that had an evil neighbor to the south filled with people who are rude, cheated, drove too fast and too slow and you'd rather have a bed and breakfast in your state close, than have one of them drive past your house to get there. (complex)
And seriously, complain because your FRIENDS used a SOCIAL networking sit to interact with you?! You realize that is what guys do. Did you grow up with a bunch of sisters?
I don't have an hatred for anything Chicago, except the sports teams. I don't bring the dumb stereotype stuff up because that is what it is.
I'm not complaining, I'd call out my DC friends for being fair weather for doing the same thing. You are the one who seems to think that it has anything to do with Chicago. I just happen to have a lot of friends from there, who claim to be life long Hawks fans, when I know they haven't mentioned a word about them since I met them. I call shenannigans on that, and if you want to try to make me feel like a jerk for doing it, go ahead. It won't stop me from doing it.
I'm not complaining that they are using the social network site to interact with me, I'm complaining that they are a bunch of fair weather fans who hate being called out for being fair weather fans, when that is clearly what they are. A lot of them seem to have similar responses to you... like "back off", "you're just jealous", and my favorite one is, "I have lived in Chicago my entire life and I am not entitled to cheer for the home team?"... of course you are, just expect to be called a fair weather fan... not that there's anything wrong with it. ;D
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You specified chicago in several posts as being worse than other places, so don't put that on me.
"not that there's anything wrong with it." If there is nothing wrong with it, why do you bring it up? You can't use it as an insult and then get mad at them for being defensive.
How do you expect anyone to react? Or people in this thread?
Everyone hates when they say: "woo hoo. we won." And someone says: "your're a fair weather fan." That is an insult.
The guy who asked if he's allowed to cheer for the home team wasn't even dening he was fair weather. The answer to his question is: Yes, he is allowed. So why call him out if you think "not that there's anything wrong with it."
But to protect myself from people thinking that way about me I will now be posting: "God damn it _____" Every time a chicago team gets eliminated from a shot at the playoff. That way you'll know that i'm not a fair weather fan even though I don't watch any games. ;)
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You specified chicago in several posts as being worse than other places, so don't put that on me.
"not that there's anything wrong with it." If there is nothing wrong with it, why do you bring it up? You can't use it as an insult and then get mad at them for being defensive.
How do you expect anyone to react? Or people in this thread?
Everyone hates when they say: "woo hoo. we won." And someone says: "your're a fair weather fan." That is an insult.
The guy who asked if he's allowed to cheer for the home team wasn't even dening he was fair weather. The answer to his question is: Yes, he is allowed. So why call him out if you think "not that there's anything wrong with it."
But to protect myself from people thinking that way about me I will now be posting: "God damn it _____" Every time a chicago team gets eliminated from a shot at the playoff. That way you'll know that i'm not a fair weather fan even though I don't watch any games. ;)
How is it an insult? It is a description of a person who only cares about the team when they are good. If they disagree, they are welcome to back it up. Otherwise, you know what they say... if the shoe fits, wear it.
"Not that there's anything wrong with it" is the funny part. I tell my fair weather fan friends that it isn't a big deal, and it happens everywhere...yet they still feel the need to defend their fandom and Chicago as a whole. I just find the whole thing pretty funny... As you said in your previous post, "Did you grow up with a bunch of sisters?" Take the cold accurate ribbing for what it is, and don't get bent out of shape about it, Chicago.
oh, and for the record, I am not calling you, specifically, a FWF. I am calling the people I know and went to school with FWFs... People who I have known for years, who didn't care about the Hawks until they were good.
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I understand that you are not referring to me and just making generalizations about people from my city of origin.
I think we've about beaten this to death but I'm going to have to stand by my point of: if you didn't think it was an insult you wouldn't use it like one.
I don't see why you are assuming i'm bent out of shape. If people get to you so easily that you feel the need to try and look up attendance figures to prove some point I think it's fair to ask if you grew up with a bunch of girls... Not that there is anything wrong with that.
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the blackhawks five minutes are.....up.
moving on.....
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I understand that you are not referring to me and just making generalizations about people from my city of origin.
I think we've about beaten this to death but I'm going to have to stand by my point of: if you didn't think it was an insult you wouldn't use it like one.
I don't see why you are assuming i'm bent out of shape. If people get to you so easily that you feel the need to try and look up attendance figures to prove some point I think it's fair to ask if you grew up with a bunch of girls... Not that there is anything wrong with that.
I didn't look up attendance figures, that was someone else.
I didn't use it like one, I called them fair weather fans, which they are, and they deny it. I go on to ask them how they aren't, and all I get is the excuses, etc. I just prefer people to be honest with themselves. It is sort of an insult (a minor one) to the real fan base that the FWFs pretend they aren't.
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the blackhawks five minutes are.....up.
moving on.....
Yet you continue to post on the topic?
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Here's my question about fair-weather-ness. Why is someone a bad fan if they don't want to watch bad teams?
The Cubs are terrible this year, I haven't watched a full 9 innings this season and I didn't buy any tickets. Why? They play bad baseball and have athletes that are not very likable. Does that make me a fair-weather fan? I still check the score everyday, but my attention is elsewhere.
What is to be said of someone that continues to support a organization that won't pay athletes, alienates the fans, and requires the fan to be at the stadium to watch the team? Idiots, really.
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Apologies, i thought that was you.
You are talking about individuals i don't know, and messages you aren't quoting. I personally think that if I said, go blackhawks on facebook and then had someone say whatever fwf. That they are being rude for no good reason.
If they say: "My long years of suffering is over. My life is now complete and I can die happy because of this." Then that is a different story.
I just don't think it's that cut and dry, mainly because the definition of a fwf isn't well defined. I think that term should be reserved for people who don't follow the team at all and then pretend they do. You say that your friends don't, but I grew up walking distance from their stadium, went to about 2 dozen games over my lifetime, check nhl standings every month, read any black hawks related front page news and never talked about them on this form or facebook till they won. (I still wouldn't call myself 'long suffering')
You would assume, if we were friends, than I'm a 100% bandwagon fan.
And you are smart enough to know that this is no differnet in Chicago from other places, but clearly your countrymen (ie: wadesworld) don't all agree.
So in conclusion, I agree with pretty much everything you say but I think that it's silly to defend FWF as being ok and perfectly normal, but then use that as a retort. And then even more silly to get your panties in a bunch when people respond defensively.
Get more creative. Perhaps: good for you, too bad you suck in baseball twice and football. Or: nice job, why is it you can only win titles in sports we don't play.
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Apologies, i thought that was you.
You are talking about individuals i don't know, and messages you aren't quoting. I personally think that if I said, go blackhawks on facebook and then had someone say whatever fwf. That they are being rude for no good reason.
If they say: "My long years of suffering is over. My life is now complete and I can die happy because of this." Then that is a different story.
I just don't think it's that cut and dry, mainly because the definition of a fwf isn't well defined. I think that term should be reserved for people who don't follow the team at all and then pretend they do. You say that your friends don't, but I grew up walking distance from their stadium, went to about 2 dozen games over my lifetime, check nhl standings every month, read any black hawks related front page news and never talked about them on this form or facebook till they won. (I still wouldn't call myself 'long suffering')
You would assume, if we were friends, than I'm a 100% bandwagon fan.
And you are smart enough to know that this is no differnet in Chicago from other places, but clearly your countrymen (ie: wadesworld) don't all agree.
So in conclusion, I agree with pretty much everything you say but I think that it's silly to defend FWF as being ok and perfectly normal, but then use that as a retort. And then even more silly to get your panties in a bunch when people respond defensively.
Get more creative. Perhaps: good for you, too bad you suck in baseball twice and football. Or: nice job, why is it you can only win titles in sports we don't play.
No, i just like raining on other people's parades, especially, since its usually my friends, and they deserve the ribbing. The type of people who if I asked them what offsides was or how to pronounce Toews in March would have responded with, "Its when the defense is over the line of scrimmage when the ball is snapped", and "TOWS? Why are you asking me this?". You at least pay some attention, and don't just follow when its the finals. I'm not saying that is my definition, but some of my friends, man... they fit even the loosest definition.
oh, and PLEASE don't lump me in with wadesworld... to say he is biased would be putting it mildly. ;)
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Here's my question about fair-weather-ness. Why is someone a bad fan if they don't want to watch bad teams?
The Cubs are terrible this year, I haven't watched a full 9 innings this season and I didn't buy any tickets. Why? They play bad baseball and have athletes that are not very likable. Does that make me a fair-weather fan? I still check the score everyday, but my attention is elsewhere.
Coming from a Cubs fan, this might be my favorite self-unaware post of all time.
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I started basically memorizing the sports page shortly after learning to read. At different stages of my life (and for a myriad of reasons) I have been a "fan" of countless team. For the Texas Westerns and the George Masons my loyalty was limited to a few weeks in one particular March. For my beloved Marquette Warriors and Chicago White Sox it's a passion a more well adjusted person might find curious. All other "team loyalties" fall somewhere in between. I've always derived what seemed to me, at least, an appropriate amount of pain or pleasure from these team's failures and successes. I followed sports too closely to be ever deemed a "fair weather fan", but the joy of, say, a Blackhawks' Stanley Cup, Bears' Super Bowl or Bulls' NBA titled paled in comparison to Marquette's 1977 National Title or the White Sox' 2005 World Series Championship. Those were two instances where the happiness stayed with me for literally months. But the point of all of this is that not for a second did I feel my joy was diminished or compromised because some fans arrived late to the party. So to people who begrudge casual fans who jump on a bandwagon for a brief, funfilled ride - lighten up.
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the blackhawks five minutes are.....up.
moving on.....
Methinks they might just be getting warmed up.
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damuts...
In nashville you can get upper deck for $15 and on the glass for $85, and even this year in the playoffs i was given 10 rows off the ice and face value was still under $100. You are right about fan support, if uppers cost that much for the predators there would be about 1000 people at the games (and they would be all corporate seats).
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It's pretty obvious that you have no idea about the history of the Blackhawks over the past 15 years. While the fans came back to the team much quicker than expected because of the team improving and having some star power, it was going to happen when "old man Wirtz" kicked the bucket. From my perspective, the fans started turning a back on the Blackhawks when they traded Roenick for salary reasons... Chelios was next to go. Then Hawkvision (a paper view subscription to be able to watch the Hawks) pissed off more fans. Blacking out the home games were the last straw for most.
MU rara... there's alot more to it than front running. That's an insult to a town that has averaged the top attendance through many lean years since Jordan left. An insult to Cub and Sox fans despite 100 + years of not winning the big one. I love Wisconsin and Milwaukee... but I'm not gonna insult your Brewers and Bucks fans. But I have to admit... I can't stand the Packers! But that's because I'm a Bears fan (regardless if we win or lose), not unlike Chicago's phenomenal sports fans.
Dude,
If you are a long time Hawks fan, cool, enjoy. I have no issue with you. My opinion of Chicago sports fans was cultivated as an undergrad. I had a good buddy (still a good buddy) who was all Bears all the time until the Packers started kicking a**. Then he was a Cub fan, until the Sox started winning, Now he is the fan of an undisclosed NBA team, who is significantly better than the Bulls. I noticed Bear attendance going in the toilet when the Bears were sucking, then I noticed Blackhawk attendance going through the roof. I'm just saying, put it all together.
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Dude,
If you are a long time Hawks fan, cool, enjoy. I have no issue with you. My opinion of Chicago sports fans was cultivated as an undergrad. I had a good buddy (still a good buddy) who was all Bears all the time until the Packers started kicking a**. Then he was a Cub fan, until the Sox started winning, Now he is the fan of an undisclosed NBA team, who is significantly better than the Bulls. I noticed Bear attendance going in the toilet when the Bears were sucking, then I noticed Blackhawk attendance going through the roof. I'm just saying, put it all together.
This is the proverbial powder keg. You basically insinuated that the entire Chicago fanbase is fairweather because of a kid you knew in undergrad, who was from out of state and probably proud of the fact that he was from Chicago. He may not have been a big sports fan, but that was his way of showing hometown pride. I'm not excusing what he is doing, cause it is kind of lame, but can we stop knocking an entire city of millions of people, many of whom are passionate sports fans, because of some kids who were idiots when they were 18-21?
You wonder why this is getting so heated and chippy? Its not because of the assessment that some Blackhawks fans are fairweather and new to the game, which is totally true, but rather than an entire city is fairweather and the Blackhawks are the newest indicator of it. Cause thats tremendous BS.
And I don't know what your Bears attendance declining metric is. Their attendance has been pretty static around the 60K mark for the last 20 years despite minimal actual success, and the last 3 years almost every game has been sold out despite not sniffing the playoffs since the Super Bown in 06. And mind you Soldier Field only seats 61500.
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Not sure how this thread got hijacked into a Chicago fan debate. It would be interesting to see how many people criticizing Chicago/Blackhawks fans are from WI....I'm guessing pretty close to 100%....which will only add fuel to the fire of the "inferiority complex" circular debate...which, like any other, will never end with one side agreeing with the other....but always passionate.
I've said it before, there are a lot of WI people/sports fans who are indifferent to Chicago sports but, IMO, the majority get a lot of enjoyment from Chicago teams losing.....whereas, again IMO, most Chicago fans could care less about what goes on with WI sports....with the Packers being the exception....see 80+ year rivalry.
I guarantee that if the Hawks lost to Philly there would've been pot shots taken by WI people as "just another Chicago losing team"...blah, blah. Now that they won, Chicago is full of fairweather/bandwagon fans...even though there are four generations of Hawks fans in this town....oh, and they have no NHL team of their own...which may be obvious to some.
Fact is, no other US city....none.....has an Original 6 NHL franchise, a founding NFL team, and charter members of the NL and AL in MLB....then of course you can throw in the Bulls 6 Championships.
Some people could care less about Chicago sports, some may be envious but for anyone to not appreciate how deeply rooted the sports are in this town is just ignorant.
Anyway.....congrats Blackhawks and all Chicago fans....bandwagon or not! This last week has been a blast! The scene at Wrigley on Sunday night was unreal.
I'm sure this will end this debate. ;)
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Fact is, no other US city....none.....has an Original 6 NHL franchise, a founding NFL team, and charter members of the NL and AL in MLB....then of course you can throw in the Bulls 6 Championships.
So? I think this is the whole point. It is unfeasible to be the level of fan of all these franchises that many Chicagoans claim to be. It is extremely difficult to be a legitimate passionate diehard of two professional franchises, let alone to stake a passionate claim to one in every major sport. Its been my experience that Chicagoans claim a general passion for anything that says Chicago in front of it. This gets irritating to other fans (namely WI fans for the purposes of this argument) because you don't see a lot of Wisconsinites that claim to have immense pride and devotion to the Packers, Bucks and Brewers. You see a lot of MKEians who love the Brewers and Bucks. Generally a lot of wisconsinites love the Packers and Brewers. But to claim that simply because all those franchises reside in Chicago and have great history, that Chicagoans are somehow entitled to count themselves as breathing each of those teams is the exact attitude that irks so many passionate fans of other teams. The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans. As the only game in town, we don't get to pick whatever team happens to have Milwaukee in front of its moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy.
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So? I think this is the whole point. It is unfeasible to be the level of fan of all these franchises that many Chicagoans claim to be. It is extremely difficult to be a legitimate passionate diehard of two professional franchises, let alone to stake a passionate claim to one in every major sport. Its been my experience that Chicagoans claim a general passion for anything that says Chicago in front of it. This gets irritating to other fans (namely WI fans for the purposes of this argument) because you don't see a lot of Wisconsinites that claim to have immense pride and devotion to the Packers, Bucks and Brewers. You see a lot of MKEians who love the Brewers and Bucks. Generally a lot of wisconsinites love the Packers and Brewers. But to claim that simply because all those franchises reside in Chicago and have great history, that Chicagoans are somehow entitled to count themselves as breathing each of those teams is the exact attitude that irks so many passionate fans of other teams. The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans. As the only game in town, we don't get to pick whatever team happens to have Milwaukee in front of its moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy.
I'm not sure what breathing a team means. Have you ever met a sports fan from Boston?
It sure sounds like you're comparing the Milwaukee sports scene (and WI's in general) to Chicago.....please don't....I wasn't.
If you can't see how it's possible to avidly follow "local" teams in 3 (in Chicago's case 4) different sports then I can't help you. It is nice to have the option.
Curious....do you believe it's possible to play all 4 sports growing up? If so, it may not be difficult to see how following the teams of those sports in your home town would be something you'd be interested in....and becoming/creating a passionate fan....and something you take with you as an adult and hand down to your own kids.
Its been my experience that Chicagoans claim a general passion for anything that says Chicago in front of it. This gets irritating to other fans (namely WI fans for the purposes of this argument) because you don't see a lot of Wisconsinites that claim to have immense pride and devotion to the Packers, Bucks and Brewers.
Are you saying Chicagoans have pride in their city and the teams representing them? Guilty. We can't help the lack of devotion to the Bucks and Brewers....could be that history/generation thing I've mentioned.
The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans.
Huh? As a Brewers fan you get pissed at Cubs fans because WI doesn't have an NHL team and the Bucks have an ambivalent fan base? Some could say this adds to the inferiority complex debate....I'm not....but some could.
So now I'm guilty of joining the circular debate that I've made fun of....awesome.
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So? I think this is the whole point. It is unfeasible to be the level of fan of all these franchises that many Chicagoans claim to be. It is extremely difficult to be a legitimate passionate diehard of two professional franchises, let alone to stake a passionate claim to one in every major sport. Its been my experience that Chicagoans claim a general passion for anything that says Chicago in front of it. This gets irritating to other fans (namely WI fans for the purposes of this argument) because you don't see a lot of Wisconsinites that claim to have immense pride and devotion to the Packers, Bucks and Brewers. You see a lot of MKEians who love the Brewers and Bucks. Generally a lot of wisconsinites love the Packers and Brewers. But to claim that simply because all those franchises reside in Chicago and have great history, that Chicagoans are somehow entitled to count themselves as breathing each of those teams is the exact attitude that irks so many passionate fans of other teams. The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans. As the only game in town, we don't get to pick whatever team happens to have Milwaukee in front of its moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy.
I am missing your point. Are you honestly trying to say you can't be passionate about more than 2 teams? That you are either a passionate fan or a fairweather?
I also don't think its any detriment to a city to slide attention towards certain teams. I absolutely LOVE the Cubs and nearly got into a fistfight with my freshman year roommate (and very good friend) during the Bartman game, but I can openly say that the Cubs took a backseat to the Hawks during this run. I am passionate about both teams, and being excited about one doesn't mean I have to be less excited about the other. I don't see how its a zero sum game. I don't think that is any reason for Brewers fans to hate me as a Cubs fan. Thats ludicrous.
Paying more attention to one of your teams because they are in the midst of a historic championship run doesn't mean you aren't passionate about a different team or are rushing to put their fanship behind something because it had CHICAGO in front of it. You are trying again to great levels of fanship and slide Chicago fans into a lower level based on bad interactions you have had it seems. Excuse me while I go pick between the Bears, the Cubs, and the Blackhawks, not to mention Marquette basketball, cause I certainly can't be passionate about more than 2 teams. Crap. Thanks for informing me
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The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans. As the only game in town, we don't get to pick whatever team happens to have Milwaukee in front of its moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy.
Sorry if i'm not amused by your aggravation about Cubs fans picking and choosing between what teams they like, but I was too busy with 1,999,999 other people at the victory parade watching this:
(http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/hawks-toews-cup-ag.jpg)
Don't like having only two teams to cheer for? Move somewhere else. Until then, guess I'll listen to you cry about it.
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wow geez perhaps the multitude of ladies doth protest too much. what i am saying is that you would guess from a lot of Chicagoans zealous (over)reactions ::ahem:: that everyone had gone to hawks games in the 1960's on their grandpa's laps. of course there is nothing wrong with enjoying the ride and taking in the parade and supporting a team. it would be a damn shame if no one were at that parade. i do think, however, that chicago often gives off the impression that whenever a team wins, that's the favorite team of everyone in the city. chicago more than any other city seems to have a dissonance with how they are perceived and how they perceive themselves (except maybe Boston, as was noted).
a couple of examples:
Don't like having only two teams to cheer for? Move somewhere else. Until then, guess I'll listen to you cry about it.
Actually I, and many others, love only having a few teams to cheer for. Its why I'm glad and have never regretted that MU doesn't have a football team. However to many, this is impossible to fathom. More is always more, because there are more chances for parades.
Are you saying Chicagoans have pride in their city and the teams representing them? Guilty. We can't help the lack of devotion to the Bucks and Brewers....could be that history/generation thing I've mentioned.
Sigh. A Cubs fan emphasizing lack of devotion to the Brewers. Shouldn't you be throwing beach balls out of the bleachers in Wrigglyville with your shirt off?
So while I may not have always eloquently stated my distaste, I don't think its ridiculous that a lot of people would be less than amused when a city that couldn't fill up a Hawks game if its life depended on it a couple of years ago is now stricken by Hawks mania. Considering Wisconsin's rich hockey tradition (remarkable youth participation, UW, hell the building of a hockey arena in its biggest city without a major team) the sudden onslaught of Hawks superfans shouldn't be expected to sit well.
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wow geez perhaps the multitude of ladies doth protest too much. what i am saying is that you would guess from a lot of Chicagoans zealous (over)reactions ::ahem:: that everyone had gone to hawks games in the 1960's on their grandpa's laps. of course there is nothing wrong with enjoying the ride and taking in the parade and supporting a team. it would be a damn shame if no one were at that parade. i do think, however, that chicago often gives off the impression that whenever a team wins, that's the favorite team of everyone in the city. chicago more than any other city seems to have a dissonance with how they are perceived and how they perceive themselves (except maybe Boston, as was noted).
a couple of examples:
Actually I, and many others, love only having a few teams to cheer for. Its why I'm glad and have never regretted that MU doesn't have a football team. However to many, this is impossible to fathom. More is always more, because there are more chances for parades.
Sigh. A Cubs fan emphasizing lack of devotion to the Brewers. Shouldn't you be throwing beach balls out of the bleachers in Wrigglyville with your shirt off?
So while I may not have always eloquently stated my distaste, I don't think its ridiculous that a lot of people would be less than amused when a city that couldn't fill up a Hawks game if its life depended on it a couple of years ago is now stricken by Hawks mania. Considering Wisconsin's rich hockey tradition (remarkable youth participation, UW, hell the building of a hockey arena in its biggest city without a major team) the sudden onslaught of Hawks superfans shouldn't be expected to sit well.
Man, you certainly take us on a meandering ride.......I guess I'll answer.....no, I don't think I should be throwing beach balls in Wrigley with my shirt off. ?-(
More curiousity.....if it's not envy.....how does Chicago's "Hawks mania" or low attendance figures from 3 years ago have an affect on your life in WI?
I would love one historic example....uno.....of any city with any of the major sports that doesn't give the impression that the championship winning team isn't the best thing going in that town....you see, that's actually the fun part of it.
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As annoying as "Hawks Mania" is, it doesn't hold a candle to the Boston fans that never heard of the Patriots until 2001...actually, it's kind of the same thing.
/throwing grenade and leaving room
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Your state and every state that wins a title this year will be full of the same. You just make up garbage about people from chicago because of your inferiority complex. Pathetic really.
I stopped participating in this thread after this abomination.
There's nothing to stop any of us from defecting to Chicago sports if we wish, but I don't know why anyone would want to.
The Bears will eternally play second fiddle to a franchise from a city of 200,000. The Cubs, to the rest of the nation, are notorious for a culture of losing. The Brewers obviously have no more success to hang their hat on, but they'd need to continue this futility for another 60 years to match the Cubs. Seriously.
I at least have a soft spot for White Sox fans, who have to deal with the national Cubs love with the same incredulity as the rest of us.
And now this Blackhawks fiasco? Come on. You accuse us Wisconsinites of making rash generalizations about the sports fans in the city of Chicago based on this. We didn't have to. The attendance numbers did it for us.
If you like the more teams = more parades thing, more power to you, but it does breed front running.
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A previous post from you stated:
"The fact that WI doesn't have a hockey team and few are really into the Bucks are exactly what pisses Brewers fans off about Cubs fans. As the only game in town, we don't get to pick whatever team happens to have Milwaukee in front of its moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy."
Now you just said:
Actually I, and many others, love only having a few teams to cheer for. Its why I'm glad and have never regretted that MU doesn't have a football team. However to many, this is impossible to fathom. More is always more, because there are more chances for parades.
So which is it?
You either enjoy and would rather have few teams to cheer for and wouldn't mind that other towns have a chance to cheer for more than two or three teams...
...Or it pisses you off as a Brewers fan that Cubs fans can "pick and choose" what team happens to have Chicago in front of it's moniker as well as a winning record when deciding which tickets to buy.
It can't be both.
You're just irritated because a team from Chicago won something and the FIBs got to have a parade and enjoy themselves. What other explanation could you possibly have for it bothering you so much?
I hope the Bucks or Brewers have a massive parade that several hundreds of thousands of people show up at wearing the team's colors whenever it is that they win something. It's a pretty awesome spectacle, and something that every sports fan should experience once in their lives.
But just know this: When it happens, it's not gonna be all hard-core, grizzled, been through hell and back, Bucks/Brewers fans there standing next to you.
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As annoying as "Hawks Mania" is, it doesn't hold a candle to the Boston fans that never heard of the Patriots until 2001...actually, it's kind of the same thing.
/throwing grenade and leaving room
...which is ridiculous, because I believe the Patriots are the only team to participate in a Super Bowl in EVERY decade since its inception.
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Sorry if i'm not amused by your aggravation about Cubs fans picking and choosing between what teams they like, but I was too busy with 1,999,999 other people at the victory parade watching this:
(http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/hawks-toews-cup-ag.jpg)
Honest question, how do they know 2,000,000 were there? Does someone take tickets at the street?
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...which is ridiculous, because I believe the Patriots are the only team to participate in a Super Bowl in EVERY decade since its inception.
They didn't make it in the 70's
EDIT: Lost in '86 to Da Bears, lost in '97 to the Pack, then they went on their run in the 2000s
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They didn't make it in the 70's
Just checked, I stand corrected. I'm not sure where I heard that.
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As annoying as "Hawks Mania" is, it doesn't hold a candle to the Boston fans that never heard of the Patriots until 2001...actually, it's kind of the same thing.
/throwing grenade and leaving room
Literally laughed out loud....well played.
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MDMU04, it can be and is both. Thats the whole point. The lack of choices and devotion to a single team is exactly what forms the definition of diehard, etc in most cities. We don't have a bunch of teams to cheer for, and thats why we devote to the small number we do have completely and thoroughly. As hard as it may be for you to believe, its not that we are jealous of Chicago's (expressed there as Cubs) fans choices. Its that we are irked by the way that those choices are treated and the way they are used breed what we deem to be a less thorough and devoted fanbase. Residents of cities with fewer teams (myself included) just can't conceive of how a fan could possibly exercise the amount of love required to be a truly diehard fan to a team more than once or twice. In a city where you eat and sleep one team, the notion that you have the time, stamina, brain cells, or potential heart attacks to do that x4 is simply impossible and unimaginable.
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MDMU04, it can be and is both. Thats the whole point. The lack of choices and devotion to a single team is exactly what forms the definition of diehard, etc in most cities. We don't have a bunch of teams to cheer for, and thats why we devote to the small number we do have completely and thoroughly. As hard as it may be for you to believe, its not that we are jealous of Chicago's (expressed there as Cubs) fans choices. Its that we are irked by the way that those choices are treated and the way they are used breed what we deem to be a less thorough and devoted fanbase. Residents of cities with fewer teams (myself included) just can't conceive of how a fan could possibly exercise the amount of love required to be a truly diehard fan to a team more than once or twice. In a city where you eat and sleep one team, the notion that you have the time, stamina, brain cells, or potential heart attacks to do that x4 is simply impossible and unimaginable.
So can you admit that maybe its a matter of not understanding and then as a result viewing it through the perspective you have as a fan of only a few sports teams, it appears disingenuous and that creates your ire? Much like how as a kid growing up, I never was a huge college football fan cause I didn't like anything UW related, so I could never understand the fanaticism of say, an OSU fan who didn't attend OSU or something of that nature? So it just seemed ridiculous to me.
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MDMU04, it can be and is both. Thats the whole point. The lack of choices and devotion to a single team is exactly what forms the definition of diehard, etc in most cities. We don't have a bunch of teams to cheer for, and thats why we devote to the small number we do have completely and thoroughly. As hard as it may be for you to believe, its not that we are jealous of Chicago's (expressed there as Cubs) fans choices. Its that we are irked by the way that those choices are treated and the way they are used breed what we deem to be a less thorough and devoted fanbase. Residents of cities with fewer teams (myself included) just can't conceive of how a fan could possibly exercise the amount of love required to be a truly diehard fan to a team more than once or twice. In a city where you eat and sleep one team, the notion that you have the time, stamina, brain cells, or potential heart attacks to do that x4 is simply impossible and unimaginable.
This is about to turn into a sports-talk radio meatball conversation that sounds like "I love my teams more than you" which is pointless and stupid.
I don't care what you think about whatever emotional investment or fandom I have in teams that I follow. I don't care if you think you like your teams more than I do because you're from Milwaukee and I'm from Chicago. If that works for you, that's fine with me.
What I do know is that my team just won the championship. And regardless of what anyone says, it's not diminished because someone from up north thinks all us FIBs are a bunch of bandwagoning dopes that don't really care about our teams because we happen to have 6 of them.
If that's your attitude, it's fine by me. By all means, go ahead and enjoy that.
I know what last Wednesday and the following days meant for me and a lot of other Hawks fans. And I will go ahead enjoy that.
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So can you admit that maybe its a matter of not understanding and then as a result viewing it through the perspective you have as a fan of only a few sports teams, it appears disingenuous and that creates your ire? Much like how as a kid growing up, I never was a huge college football fan cause I didn't like anything UW related, so I could never understand the fanaticism of say, an OSU fan who didn't attend OSU or something of that nature? So it just seemed ridiculous to me.
I am 100% on board with the confusion over the love of a college a person never attended, etc, just because it is the state's flagship school. And the chicago debate is all in the eye of the beholder, sure. I can admit that a lot of my ire is derived from the fact that I don't think a person can be a diehard fan, in the true sense of term, for more than a couple teams no matter how many teams are local. Would that be different if I were from somewhere else? Maybe, it would be hypocritical for me to say it couldn't be. However that being said, what I deem to be the necessary commitment and devotion to a certain team to constitute "diehard" etc, just isnt possible for more than a couple teams. And I don't think I'm alone in that perspective. Thats why the grandstanding about the history and tradition of ALL the Chicago teams doesn't get very far for me. It wouldnt matter if it was a town with all old teams like Chicago or a town with significantly newer teams like Miami. This isnt about the objective value of the team, but the fan's ability to devote what is necessary to truly be a fan. A diehard Heat fan isnt any less of a fan than a diehard Bulls fan because of the quality or longevity of the franchise. A guy who said that he was a diehard Heat, Dolphins, Panthers, Marlins fan would be a suspect to me too. I think some (this was never intended to be a total assault) Chicagoans feel that because each of their teams has a richer history than the ones I just mentioned, Chicagoans are entitled to have a widespread level of fandom Miamians wouldn't be. I think thats the attitude that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
(sorry JWags if what started out as a well-intentioned response to you ended up gradually moving toward a response to MDMU)
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STOP! why does someone have to be a "Diehard Fan" to enjoy and follow a team? Most people have one or two sports they prefer to watch but that doesn't exclude them from rooting for other team sports. This is especially true in team rich cities like Chicago. Trying to belittle someone's joy at the Blackhawk's victory is wearing your jealousy on your sleeve. Everybody needn't be a "diehard" to follow and enjoy a team
I don't live in Chicago but I watched the Stanley Cup and was hoping for a bLackhawk victory
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i dont think this whole thread was started because people enjoyed a team. "trying to belittle someone's joy" in reference to a casual fan seems pretty melodramatic to me, but i get your point.
to me, this is more about the identification of the city with all its teams, and how disingenuous that seems - particularly when two are major rivals one had trouble garnering a following until its recent success.
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I've only been to 2 Hawks games in my life, both gifts and both before they were any good. I am a passive fan, but dove headfirst into the playoffs. I'm what most people would label a fair-weather fan. All I have to say is it was awesome following the Hawks this postseason. If you have a problem with that, so be it, I had a great time watching them win and the parade was nuts. That is all.
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to me, this is more about the identification of the city with all its teams, and how disingenuous that seems - particularly when two are major rivals one had trouble garnering a following until its recent success.
Are you talking about all those new White Sox hats that showed up on MU's campus in 2005? I'm sure that was just a coincidence.
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I think some (this was never intended to be a total assault) Chicagoans feel that because each of their teams has a richer history than the ones I just mentioned, Chicagoans are entitled to have a widespread level of fandom Miamians wouldn't be. I think thats the attitude that rubs a lot of people the wrong way.
My point is very distinct and simple.
WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?
If it seems disingenuous, why can't you simply cast it aside and disregard it as being such? It has to mean something to you for you to draw so much ire from it.
Your argument appears disingenuous to me. Know why? Because I know why it bothers you so much. And it's none of this drivel you keep coming up with.
It bothers you so much because it's a Chicago team. It bothers you because a bunch of people from Chicago got to be happy about something and you didn't.
My argument will be proven tomorrow. I want to hear similar outrage at the outcome when the NBA finals are concluded tomorrow because it will follow your same logical argument. Let's take a look, shall we?
- Storied franchises in their respective sports...it doesn't get more storied than the Lakers or Celtics
- Cities with multiple professional sports franchises...Boston and LA have a combined 11 pro sports franchises between them
According to your arguments, either of the celebrations after the game is won will be disingenuous. The two teams are the most storied franchises in their leagues, so therefore therefore their fans must feel more entitled to have a more widespread level of fandom than you. Each town has multiple pro sports franchises, so therefore the Lakers and Celtics fans cannot possibly be as devoted as you are to your teams.
I'm willing to bet you that there will be a significant number of people at either town's parade that probably didn't give a damn about what was going on with the Lakers or Celtics at the beginning of the year.
It happens everywhere. You need to get over it.
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okay, and with that bastardization of everything i said, i think this is a good time to wrap this up with:
If you don't already know, you will never know.
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okay, and with that bastardization of everything i said, i think this is a good time to wrap this up with:
If you don't already know, you will never know.
A fantastic way to end an argument that was not going well for you is to do it with the cryptic I am wiser than thou quote.
Good work.
Go Blackhawks.
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fine, we can pm. i just think everyone must be sick of reading this by now.
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fine, we can pm. i just think everyone must be sick of reading this by now.
Because your argument has no backbone. There is no problem with people who are fairweathers whether in Chicago or elsewhere.
You can generalize about fair-weathers all you want, but those here that are have stated so. Many of us love sports but what are the requirements to be a die-hard fan? Every sport is different, I don't expect anyone to watch all 9 innings of every game of the baseball team they support.
I don't claim to be a die-hard of any team except MU basketball and I am a fan of many other teams, but sorry to say I have other things that go on in my life that take precedence. When it comes down to it sports are exactly that, a sport.
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... or not ...
i didnt know i was making an argument trying to objectively prove anything. everyone is quick to jump up and point AHA! thats where your argument fails!! instead I was giving examples of why Chicago sports fans draw the ire of other sports fans, and as has become evident, especially those to the north. i also pointed out why I think there is a solid basis for that given the local treatment of Chicago's teams. to all those defenders of all things chicago, you are right. I concede that I will never be able to objectively prove to you that you suck (nor was i even trying to)
In the PM, i made a comparison of the Clippers to the Blackhawks. if the Clips won the NBA Finals, would the outpouring be the same as for the Hawks? Or if the cross sports analogy is uncomfortable, what about the islanders? Similarly, would the insistence on said celebration be the same? given the lack of support for the team while it was losing only a few years ago, these comparisons arent as far fetched as most Chicagoans would have you believe at first glance.
To borrow a phrase from above, you are right - there is no inherent problem with fairweathers anywhere. Its the perception that many try to assert that they are anything else that rubs people the wrong way, especially in a sport exemplified by a cult following and old timey devotion like hockey.
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I've only been to 2 Hawks games in my life, both gifts and both before they were any good. I am a passive fan, but dove headfirst into the playoffs. I'm what most people would label a fair-weather fan. All I have to say is it was awesome following the Hawks this postseason. If you have a problem with that, so be it, I had a great time watching them win and the parade was nuts. That is all.
I'm all for people getting in on a happening in their city. What I find amusing is acting like you've been a diehard all your life. Glad you enjoyed the Hawks season.
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Seeing all my Wisconsin and fellow Marquette fans rip on Chicago and it's sports fans are making my eyes bleed. It's pretty pitiful. Go rain on someone else's parade who deserve it more than the fans who have stuck with teams through thick and thin.
If you had any idea of the history of the Blackhawks, and the loyal fandom, this would be a moot point.
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Seeing all my Wisconsin and fellow Marquette fans rip on Chicago and it's sports fans are making my eyes bleed. It's pretty pitiful. Go rain on someone else's parade who deserve it more than the fans who have stuck with teams through thick and thin.
If you had any idea of the history of the Blackhawks, and the loyal fandom, this would be a moot point.
boohoo.
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Pending league approval, the Blackhawks have traded Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel and a prospect to Atlanta for a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, Marty Reasoner, and prospect Jeremy Morin.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/news/story?id=5320715
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Pending league approval, the Blackhawks have traded Byfuglien, Eager, Sopel and a prospect to Atlanta for a 1st rounder, 2nd rounder, Marty Reasoner, and prospect Jeremy Morin.
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nhl/news/story?id=5320715
Cap space...
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Marty Reasoner went to my high school!
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Cap space...
And if you ask me, selling high on Byfuglien.
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And if you ask me, selling high on Byfuglien.
Yes....completely replaceable.
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Once you strip away the emotional downer cause Buff is a fan favorite, you realize its a solid move. This organization has done well through draft picks, so getting a few more doesn't hurt, in addition to freeing up the cap space which is even more important. If it came down to losing someone like Sharp or Byfuglien, I would rather keep Sharp.
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The one I feel bad for is Sopel. They interviewed him on Wednesday about his participation with his family and the Cup in the Gay Pride Parade and how proud he was of the team and the city.
24 hours later he's traded.
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The one I feel bad for is Sopel. They interviewed him on Wednesday about his participation with his family and the Cup in the Gay Pride Parade and how proud he was of the team and the city.
24 hours later he's traded.
I agree....he does a lot of charity work in the city also...interview yesterday he said he is making a pit stop in Atlanta and hopes to come back to the Hawks, family will stay in Chicago and will retire as a BlackHawk....classy guy.
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The one I feel bad for is Sopel. They interviewed him on Wednesday about his participation with his family and the Cup in the Gay Pride Parade and how proud he was of the team and the city.
24 hours later he's traded.
Yeah I agree completely. He's a 100% class act, someone that doesn't get nearly enough credit for what he does especially off the ice. About 3 years ago he and his wife adopted a 17 year old boy after both of his parents died within six months of each other.
He participates extensively in Operation Homefront, supporting military families who have family members on current active deployment. The past two years he and his wife hosted more than a dozen families for a Christmas parties and provided all of them with a dinner and gifts.
We are lucky to have guys like him in sports in general, and it was an honor to have him wear the Indianhead sweater. It's too bad that he makes top pair money while skating on the 3rd pairing on a team up against the cap.
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Here we go again!
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Here we go again!
all the way to a first round playoff loss!
The hawks will not win the cup this season. The Red Wings on the other hand...
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I see that the 'Hawks are now popular again.
Way to shake that band wagon label from last year guys!
GO WINGS.
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Let's go B's!!!!!
(http://urbage.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/boston-bruins-winter-classic-logo.png?w=500&h=500)
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I would love to see the Pens make a run, but really I just want to see Crosby on the ice again.
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I see that the 'Hawks are now popular again.
Way to shake that band wagon label from last year guys!
GO WINGS.
Or maybe the fact that I doubt there would be a lot of chatter about the NHL regular season on here but people love playoff hockey. My roommate is a diehard Penguins fan, and has been since he was a toddler, and can often be found in his room watching game streams on his computer, but he rarely brings them up, but once the playoffs start, thats all he can talk about.
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Or maybe the fact that I doubt there would be a lot of chatter about the NHL regular season on here but people love playoff hockey. My roommate is a diehard Penguins fan, and has been since he was a toddler, and can often be found in his room watching game streams on his computer, but he rarely brings them up, but once the playoffs start, thats all he can talk about.
I like what I said better.
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Go DUCKS Go
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Go DUCKS Go
Niemi and the Ducks have owned us this year.
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Niemi and the Ducks have owned us this year.
And Vancouver has owned the league.....I am a BlackHawks fan but Vancouver is way too deep for the Hawks and it will be a sweep or the Hawks win one at home....just my feeling....Canucks want revenge for the past two years.
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It does seem to be a miss-match but the Hawks always seem to be in Luongo's head. Granted the Hawks no longer have Byfuglien there to get in the crease.
It's hurts too that Bolland is just coming back from a concussion. I don't expect much from him.
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And keep in mind that the last time a team from Canada won the Cup was Montreal in 1993. This is Canada's/Canucks best shot at winning the Cup in a long time. Not implying anything about the referees throughout the playoffs or anything...well maybe a little.
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That Boston - Montreal series is going to be a tough one. Those teams hate each other.
I would like to see Original Six teams advance, but I don't see NYR or the Hawks getting by.
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- Hawks will be/are in Luongo's head. This is the same man that cried the last 2 years after the Hawks eliminated them. Sure it's not the same Hawks team, but the Hawks still managed to put 12 past him this year during the regular season.
- Vancouver knows what's happened the last 2 years...and the pressure gets ramped up since they won the President's Trophey this year. Look how well the Caps did last year.
- While this was a down year for the Hawks (lengthy hangover from last June), I expect them to come out fired up, especially Toews.
Great series, great rivalry...Hawks in seven!
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The 'Hawks have been really good in Vancouver this year. I think a mostly-healthy Dave Bolland is the difference tonight and Chicago stuns the Canucks by winning Game 1. I like the 'Hawks to win this in 6. While I know Vancouver is the deeper, and by all rights better team, they're also a team that Chicago has owned the past couple years, especially when it mattered.
Unfortunately, I don't see them going further than that. I really hope we don't end up losing to the evil SOBs that are the Detroit Red Wimps, but after hoisting the Cup last year, I'm okay with the 'Hawks not having a second consecutive dream summer. They were blasted by the salary cap and it'll take a year or three of rebuilding. When you finally have that Stanley Cup monkey off your back, it's a lot easier to accept.
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Any Western Conference folks feel free to pipe in. I am pretty big Bruins fan, and of course follow the big rivals in the East like the Caps, Pens, Habs...but I have ZERO clue on Western Conference teams. Like none, just seems to be like in the NHL there is fairly big disconnect between the two conferences. Feel like in the NBA, NFL, and lesser extent the MLB seems to be easier to know what is going on in the other conference. Or maybe I am just lazy.
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Any Western Conference folks feel free to pipe in. I am pretty big Bruins fan, and of course follow the big rivals in the East like the Caps, Pens, Habs...but I have ZERO clue on Western Conference teams. Like none, just seems to be like in the NHL there is fairly big disconnect between the two conferences. Feel like in the NBA, NFL, and lesser extent the MLB seems to be easier to know what is going on in the other conference. Or maybe I am just lazy.
I think the West is the better conference this year overall, but I'm bias. So many teams are tightly bunched together. When the defending champs limp in the final spot in the conference, that might explain how much quality there is in the west this year. A team from the West has taken the Cup three of the last 4 years, but that doesn't always mean it's the best conference. This year, I would say it is. Whether or not that translates to a Cup, who knows.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=559208
Some great rivalries with Chicago and Detroit, Kings and Ducks, Sharks and Wings, Vancouver and Chicago have a little testiness at times. Some great hockey played out this way.
Had a blast in 2003 and 2007 with the Ducks in the Finals...2007 brought home the Cup. Attending Friday night's game.
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Preds and Pekke Rinne look tough last night. Would love to see Nashville get their first series win. Sorry Chicos. ;-)
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The Hawks weren't in Luongo's head last night. He made some great stops.
The Hawks looked like crap in the first period but really turned it around in the 2nd and 3rd. I'm feeling better about Friday's game. Hopefully Luongo doesn't stand on his head again.
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The Hawks weren't in Luongo's head last night. He made some great stops.
The Hawks looked like crap in the first period but really turned it around in the 2nd and 3rd. I'm feeling better about Friday's game. Hopefully Luongo doesn't stand on his head again.
Luongo's kick save in the 3rd was brilliant, stopped it with his damn toe. The Hawks couldn't get a bounce or break to save their life last night, 3-4 inside of the posts and out. They play like they did after they settled in last night and this could be a wild series. On a positive, Crawford looked awesome. Neither of those goals were really his fault.
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Yeah Crawford was a stud last night as well. Campbell made a stupid pass leading to a fast break and that redirect was amazing. Not soft goals by any means.
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I think the West is the better conference this year overall, but I'm bias. So many teams are tightly bunched together. When the defending champs limp in the final spot in the conference, that might explain how much quality there is in the west this year.
Only 10 of the current BlackHawk players are actually defending champs thanks to the salary cap and Dale Tallon. I do agree that the West is right now the better conference.
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Heres to losing to the Canucks the first game for the 3rd straight year. Hopefully the rest of the series will play out like the past as well.
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Vancouver and Luongo benefited from a lot of luck last night...4 shots by the Hawks hit iron and Luongo made 3 or 4 amazing saves out there. Luck was also clearly evident in Vancouver's first goal...nasty bounce and an amazing redirect right in front of Crawford.
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Vancouver was very physical in the game. I can't decide if I want John Scott to suit up. He'll kick your ass but he also is the worst hickey player I have ever seen.
Right now I think I'm against him playing. I may change my mind after tonight.
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Answer: two men you would be afraid to sit by on the bus.
Question: who are the two men selected to sing at tonights Canucks game.
Love the oldschool Vancouver sweaters.
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Just wondering where all the 'Hawks excitement went.
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Vancouver was very physical in the game. I can't decide if I want John Scott to suit up. He'll kick your ass but he also is the worst hickey player I have ever seen.
Right now I think I'm against him playing. I may change my mind after tonight.
I think you were right.
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Ughhh he made such a stupid penalty.
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I didn't expect the Hawks to make it out of the first round, but I thought they would at least make it competitve. It sucks the Bolland has been out as he caused them fits last year. Also Luongo has been incredible now that Byfuglien is gone.
Aside from Hossa and Campbell this is still a very young team so hopefully they can think about this first round exit, get there crap together, and actually come ready to play next year. There seemed to be a Stanley Cup hangover all year. (Insert Kaner joke here.)
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Just wondering where all the 'Hawks excitement went.
Seriously? Idk, maybe they are playing the best team in hockey. If there was enthusiasm, you would probably be spouting off about how Blackhawk fans are not knowledgeable and ill-informed bandwagoners cause clearly there is nothing to be excited about.
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Just wondering where all the 'Hawks excitement went.
The Bulls bandwagon.
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(Insert Kaner joke here.)
KANER!
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The Bulls bandwagon.
I think of all the Chicago teams, the Bulls have the least bandwagon following of them all.
The Bears will waiver a bit in down years. The Cubs will draw well no matter what, it just becomes a difference between large crowds everyday or sellout crowds everyday. The Sox fans are passionate and will stay away if they don't feel the team is there, and the Blackhawks have had a steady bandwagon, which will eventually not be a bandwagon at all.
Let's not get into how big the Bucks were in Milwaukee until 2001. Or how the Brewers have drawn much better with a better team/owner.
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Every market is like that, I just couldn't resist.
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Every market is like that, I just couldn't resist.
Damn, non-dedicated sports fans making us look bad!
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KANER!
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He is the clown of the team. Every fan knows that. He acts like a goof on purpose. Look at the mullet he debuts for the playoffs. For all of the haters out there you should tell every other 21 year old that you know to cease having fun. But then again they are not making $5 million a year either.
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He is the clown of the team. Every fan knows that. He acts like a goof on purpose. Look at the mullet he debuts for the playoffs. For all of the haters out there you should tell every other 21 year old that you know to cease having fun. But then again they are not making $5 million a year either.
I'm not hating. Love KANER!
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I'm not hating. Love KANER!
I was directing at the haters/people not understanding his personality...not sure who they are though....but I know you are not one of them.
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Just wondering where all the 'Hawks excitement went.
Not sure it went anywhere. Not a lot to be excited about with your team down 3-0 in the series. You seem pretty preoccupied with the Blackhawks "bandwagon."
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I think of all the Chicago teams, the Bulls have the least bandwagon following of them all.
The Bears will waiver a bit in down years. The Cubs will draw well no matter what, it just becomes a difference between large crowds everyday or sellout crowds everyday. The Sox fans are passionate and will stay away if they don't feel the team is there, and the Blackhawks have had a steady bandwagon, which will eventually not be a bandwagon at all.
Let's not get into how big the Bucks were in Milwaukee until 2001. Or how the Brewers have drawn much better with a better team/owner.
Earlier this season the Cubs had their smallest crowd in 9 years. Ricketts, Kenney and Hayward are driving away fans and proving they don't have any idea how to run a Major League baseball team. Come back, John McDonaugh!
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Earlier this season the Cubs had their smallest crowd in 9 years. Ricketts, Kenney and Hayward are driving away fans and proving they don't have any idea how to run a Major League baseball team. Come back, John McDonaugh!
McDonough is a stud and the Cubs miss him....but do you know how many MLB teams wish their lowest home attendance in 9 years is 26,000+?!
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McDonough is a stud and the Cubs miss him....but do you know how many MLB teams wish their lowest home attendance in 9 years is 26,000+?!
True...although there were maybe 15k actually there.
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In all fairness, it ws a rainy, cold, afternoon weekday game against the Pirates.
But its true, attendance is down this year.
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I've hated on Chicagoey bandwagonness a lot on here in regards to the Hawks, but I'll be the first to say that the Bulls always have a strong following. Since Jordan there are so many kids that grew up on Bulls basketball, that even in a league that struggles to draw from a lot of demographics, the Bulls are a great franchise. Culturally there's a reason they're in the conversation for every big free agent.
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Not sure it went anywhere. Not a lot to be excited about with your team down 3-0 in the series. You seem pretty preoccupied with the Blackhawks "bandwagon."
Sure it did. It left the state.
I wouldn't say I'm preoccupied, I'd say I'm just not surprised.
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Sure it did. It left the state.
I wouldn't say I'm preoccupied, I'd say I'm just not surprised.
Right....because there hasn't been an active Blackhawks thread on a Marquette basketball message board there must clearly have been no interest in the team all year throughout Chicago.
They sold out every game and led the NHL in attendance...again. I assume you were puffing out your chest last year when the Wings were down 3-0 to San Jose?
I'd say you're preoccupied, as your previous two posts would indicate. 4:55am? Ouch.
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I'm sorry that you are so upset for me trying to take the mickey out of your precious Blackhawks.
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Actually, I was puffing out my chest then. Just cause your team is having
a down year doesn't mean you stop rooting for them or wearing their gear.
If you are that sort of fan then you are a person that jumps on the bandwagon, regardless of team.
Coincidentally, a lot fewer Hawks jerseys were seen around campus this year.
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Actually, I was puffing out my chest then. Just cause your team is having
a down year doesn't mean you stop rooting for them or wearing their gear.
If you are that sort of fan then you are a person that jumps on the bandwagon, regardless of team.
Coincidentally, a lot fewer Hawks jerseys were seen around campus this year.
Great, another one. Your second post here is ripping on Blackhawks fans, well done. Assuming you're a Wings fan.....So, you still were enthusiastic about their chances being down 3-0 to San Jose? Give me an f-ing break. Being a fan is one thing, being delusional is another. Thanks for the campus fashion trend update.
Hawks live to play another day....Bolland was a welcome return.
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I'm sorry that you are so upset for me trying to take the mickey out of your precious Blackhawks.
....and every reply just proves my point....
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....and every reply just proves my point....
You're right, lets all just get along.
sheesh.
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Since when did everyone get so sensitive about opposing fans ripping on their team/fanbase?
Stupid Detroit fans, I bet 90% of the people at the Joe don't even know why they throw the octopus on the ice.
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Since when did everyone get so sensitive about opposing fans ripping on their team/fanbase?
Stupid Detroit fans, I bet 90% of the people at the Joe don't even know why they throw the octopus on the ice.
To be fair, I wasn't there, but I knew.
If I know, I hope they did, but you never know.
Edit: forgot to finish my thought.
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Damn, its a shame Bolland couldn't have come back sooner. There's a reason why they call him the rat!
It will be interesting to see how Luongo handles this. Before this game he stood on his head but now he gave up 6 goals in a clinching game and appeared to be hurt.
For a known head case like Luongo, this next game is huge.
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Also after what happened last night, as much as I hate to see it, you have to play John Scott in game 5.
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6'8'' 260 John Scott
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great picture!
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Fanfriggintastic win by the Bruins tonight. Down 3 seperate times, including 3-1 in the 2nd. 5-4 win in OT.
Waaaahooo! Back to Boston, woo hoo!
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Can Canada's best chance for a cup blow it again.
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Realize this is the Bhawks thread... But that 3rd period goal by Ryan was filthy.
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I'd pay $50 to know what John Scott said to Luongo.
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Canucks better hope Schneider can come back. Luongo looked like it was his first game in goal for much of OT. Way to many rebounds given up, and he finally got burned.
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Why is that many of my friends who are Blackhawks fans seem to be happier that Luongo is melting down rather than being happy for their team?
Not trying to be snarky.
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Here is the game winning goal.
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Why is that many of my friends who are Blackhawks fans seem to be happier that Luongo is melting down rather than being happy for their team?
Not trying to be snarky.
Luongo is one of the best goalies in hockey, however, the last two seasons he has been eliminated by the Hawks. If the Hawks win Tuesday it's three seasons in a row.
I think Hawks fans simply want to see Luongo out there because he is a head case when it comes to the Hawks.
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Luongo is one of the best goalies in hockey, however, the last two seasons he has been eliminated by the Hawks. If the Hawks win Tuesday it's three seasons in a row.
I think Hawks fans simply want to see Luongo out there because he is a head case when it comes to the Hawks.
Exactly, he also backstopped Canada to the Gold in 2010. When you're able to get under the skin of someone like that, its something to be proud of. And there is a rivalry developing between these two teams after the last couple of years, so as a result, some schadenfreude is present along with the joy of winning. Also, Luongo crying the last couple of years hasn't helped.
Side note, people ask me why I hate the Sedin's, its because of crap like Henrick pulled at the end of the second. You run Crawford and then take a dive when someone hits you, what a biatch. You're one of the 10 best players in the league, you should be above that trash.
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Luongo had no chance last night. He came in cold after spending the entire game in the locker room...which is why it was so frustrating that Hawks good not get a shot on net in the third...you knew he'd give up the rebound. There are rumors that he's hurt....I'm not buying it...the only thing hurting is his psyche. It's a one game series now....hope the boys can close it out on Tuesday.
The scene at the UC last night was unreal...I'm now 6-1 on the year....I should try to get to Vancouver tomorrow. ;-)
Gotta love another playoff doubleheader with the Bulls playing at 7.
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Last night was great, I felt fantastic when Luongo came in. Agreed that it sucked Chicago couldn't get shots in the third...all I could think was "we just need to get a few shots off, and instead we're stuck in our own end". If Luongo starts Game 7, I think it's a near-certainty that the 'Hawks win.
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If the Hawks can grab a 2 goal lead at any point that should lock it up. I can't see Luongo coming back from that.
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There is a saying in hockey.....the most dangerous lead you can have is a 2 goal lead. So I would be happy with a 3 goal lead.
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Who does the winner play? DET, NSH, or SJ/LA
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NHL reseeds after every round. Not a bracket.
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Stupid Detroit fans, I bet 90% of the people at the Joe don't even know why they throw the octopus on the ice.
Who does the winner play? DET, NSH, or SJ/LA
Who is stupid now?
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Bickell had wrist surgery today and is out 3 weeks.
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Thanks Rules, but not sure how asking a simple question about a the Blackhawks, a team I don't support, implies stupidity. I can tell you who the Pens play if they advance
My post about the Wings fans not knowing about the octopus was more in jest at the over sensitivity in this thread about 3 pages back.
So now can you answer my question or no?
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Thanks Rules, but not sure how asking a simple question about a the Blackhawks, a team I don't support, implies stupidity. I can tell you who the Pens play if they advance
My post about the Wings fans not knowing about the octopus was more in jest at the over sensitivity in this thread about 3 pages back.
So now can you answer my question or no?
Please, please, please tell me who the Pens play if they advance. Because as of this moment, there is no way you can know that. And if you do, you should be talking to some folks in vegas.
And while I can give you all the potential matchups, I cannot with any degree of certainty tell you who the winner of the 1/8 in the west will play.
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Well maybe I am stupid, I didn't think the NHL reseeded the playoffs. My bad.
Edit...
Yep I am a moron.
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Hawks win and they play San Jose and Detroit would play Nashville.
Vancouver wins and they play Nashville and SJ and Detroit play.
The East is not worth the time to go through all the scenarios.
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Hawks win and they play San Jose and Detroit would play Nashville.
Vancouver wins and they play Nashville and SJ and Detroit play.
The East is not worth the time to go through all the scenarios.
After losing half the team in the offseason, I've tried not to vest myself at all emotionally in this 'Hawks team. I thought they could beat Vancouver, but didn't see them going any further than that. But looking at the playoffs now, how interesting would it be to see the 'Hawks play the same three teams in the West en route to the Cup Finals? Different order, but Vancouver, San Jose, and Nashville brings back some good memories. Philly in the Finals, anyone? ;D
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Philly in the Finals, anyone? ;D
Ryan Miller says "NO!"
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Redwings cup to lose.
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Ryan Miller says "NO!"
Apparently he changed his mind to "Well, maybe."
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Thank goodness all those Blackhawk "fans" out there went up to the attics today to bring out the Blawkhawks gear for the first time since the Stanley Cup Finals last year. Hopefully you left the box in a place that is easily accessible That lasted for all of 1 day for you guys. ;)
I saw more Blackhawks gear on campus today than I had seen on campus this entire school year combined, by FAR.
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Thank goodness all those Blackhawk "fans" out there went up to the attics today to bring out the Blawkhawks gear for the first time since the Stanley Cup Finals last year. Hopefully you left the box in a place that is easily accessible That lasted for all of 1 day for you guys. ;)
I saw more Blackhawks gear on campus today than I had seen on campus this entire school year combined, by FAR.
This also happened the year the Bears went to the playoffs when I was in school (2003 IIRC).
Yes, I know it happens with all fan bases, and yes I know it isn't all fans. Its just funny that Chicago doesn't think that fairweather fandom applies to them.
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I think it is funny you guys deterime fandom by what people are wearing. I probably watched about 90% of the Blackhawks games this year and I wore my jersey one time to work during the playoffs.
Does this mean I was a fair weather fan because I didn't wear my jersey every single day?
I think Hards Alumni is a fair weather Marquette fan because he doesn't wear his Marquette gear every weekend during basketball season.
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This also happened the year the Bears went to the playoffs when I was in school (2003 IIRC).
Yes, I know it happens with all fan bases, and yes I know it isn't all fans. Its just funny that Chicago doesn't think that fairweather fandom applies to them.
It's also funny that you can determine what Chicago thinks.
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There is no more passionate fanbase in the USA than Chicago fans. They travel well and support struggling teams. Of course they get more excited for a winner.
Not sure why anyone would rip on another fanbase for wearing a t-shirt for game 7.
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There is no more passionate fanbase in the USA than Chicago fans.
Green Bay begs to differ sir, come back when your sold out for 50+ years in a row.
Take care.
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Anyway back to the game, it was a pretty fitting end for the Hawks. God knows how many times they turned the puck over in their offensive zone this year for goals.
I said during the offseason I didn't think Crawford would be the answer for the Hawks in goal but I was completely wrong about that. He was a stud all season and he put on a clinic last night. I thought he was much more impressive than Luongo who was juggling the puck and giving up some big rebounds.
Aside from Hossa, this is a very young team and they took the best team in the tournament to overtime in game 7. I look forward to seeing this team in the playoffs next season.
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There is no more passionate fanbase in the USA than Chicago fans. They travel well and support struggling teams. Of course they get more excited for a winner.
Not sure why anyone would rip on another fanbase for wearing a t-shirt for game 7.
Thank you for supporting my argument.
This is PRECISELY what I am talking about.
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Trying to spin this into a positive here. This loss might be a good lesson for the young Blackhawks. Had they won and gone on another nice run, their players might have learned a negative lesson that they can sleepwalk through the season and flip a switch at the end.
Even though they already have a title, I still think we have not seen the ceiling on all of these guys. That is a scary thing. Hopefully this loss motivates them to get better.
This is a great core and Bowman did the best he could give the contracts inherited from Dale Tallon though. Crawford looks like the answer going forward, and Bowman made a tough move by not signing fan favorite Niemi.
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It's also funny that you can determine what Chicago thinks.
I never said that, in my experience with Chicago fans (you included now), they think they are the cream of the crop and no one is a fair weather fan.
Its okay to disagree with me, but to do so is plainly delusional.
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Green Bay begs to differ sir, come back when your sold out for 50+ years in a row.
Conveniently forgetting the days of blackouts when they didn't sell out County Stadium...
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Thank you for supporting my argument.
This is PRECISELY what I am talking about.
You did not make a point at all. I have no what the heck you are talking about. Are people supposed to be at the same level of excitement all year?
Look, there are teams to cheer for at all times. When MU is in the tourney, fans are going to be most excited about that. When the Bears are in the playoffs people are going to be most excited about that. There is always something to be most excited about depending on the time of year. It won't be equal throughout and your suggestion that people are somehow fair weather implies some level of being fake. Sounds petty to me. People see fans get excited during the playoffs and then rip on them and make generalizations about a fan base.
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Anyway back to the game, it was a pretty fitting end for the Hawks. God knows how many times they turned the puck over in their offensive zone this year for goals.
I said during the offseason I didn't think Crawford would be the answer for the Hawks in goal but I was completely wrong about that. He was a stud all season and he put on a clinic last night.
I'm still amazed that game ended 2-1. During the second period it seemed like Vancouver was gonna score 5 goals. There was one possession where the Canucks must have gotten off 10 separate shots. Crawford was brilliant last night during that possession, stopping the penalty shot, gloving the point blank shot b/c of the TO behind the net. He was the only reason Chicago was even in the game.
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You did not make a point at all. I have no what the heck you are talking about. Are people supposed to be at the same level of excitement all year?
Look, there are teams to cheer for at all times. When MU is in the tourney, fans are going to be most excited about that. When the Bears are in the playoffs people are going to be most excited about that. There is always something to be most excited about depending on the time of year. It won't be equal throughout and your suggestion that people are somehow fair weather implies some level of being fake. Sounds petty to me. People see fans get excited during the playoffs and then rip on them and make generalizations about a fan base.
It is completely assinine for you to believe that more than 1/3 the people who are cheering during the playoffs even watched more than 2 regular season games.
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Trying to spin this into a positive here. This loss might be a good lesson for the young Blackhawks. Had they won and gone on another nice run, their players might have learned a negative lesson that they can sleepwalk through the season and flip a switch at the end.
Even though they already have a title, I still think we have not seen the ceiling on all of these guys. That is a scary thing. Hopefully this loss motivates them to get better.
This is a great core and Bowman did the best he could give the contracts inherited from Dale Tallon though. Crawford looks like the answer going forward, and Bowman made a tough move by not signing fan favorite Niemi.
100% agree Malone.
While I would have liked to see the young guys get a little more playoff experience with a deeper run, they definately got a taste of playoff hockey playing in 4 straight elimination games.
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I never said that, in my experience with Chicago fans (you included now), they think they are the cream of the crop and no one is a fair weather fan.
Its okay to disagree with me, but to do so is plainly delusional.
You won't find a person on the planet who thinks Chicago has zero fair weather fans. You also won't find many people if any who don't think Chicago fans are at the top of the list or near the top when it comes to loyal, passionate fan bases in the United States.
That's not a knock on any other fan base at all, as Chicago has more fans based on population. The presence at road games is the most telling about Chicago's fan base. Of course the UC and our other stadiums are always full and loud. Geography allows Chicago fans to travel to more games since it is a short drive or a two hour flight to almost every sports city outside of California. Not sure what there is to debate, though, on Chicago being cream of the crop unless you are considering international futbol fan bases.
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Look, there are teams to cheer for at all times. When MU is in the tourney, fans are going to be most excited about that. When the Bears are in the playoffs people are going to be most excited about that. There is always something to be most excited about depending on the time of year. It won't be equal throughout and your suggestion that people are somehow fair weather implies some level of being fake. Sounds petty to me. People see fans get excited during the playoffs and then rip on them and make generalizations about a fan base.
Exactly. How many Packer fans do you see wearing jersies in May? Now how many did you see last January?
When I think of fair weather fans, I think Miami...or Atlanta. Not Chicago. And for those pointing at Blackhawk fans, how about Brewer fans? Until their recent streak of winning, the Brewers ranked 10th or lower (out of 14 or 16 teams) in league attendance every year from 1989-2006...except the year they opened Miller Park.
And I'm a Brewer fan. I never went to see them in the mid-90s. They were terrible.
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It is completely assinine for you to believe that more than 1/3 the people who are cheering during the playoffs even watched more than 2 regular season games.
And that means...
I am not sure how much time you think people can devote to watching sports. But there is football taking up most people's weekends and basketball competing with hockey. People just don't have time to watch all games, but people do keep up with the teams in general and are supporting most when it counts.
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It is completely assinine for you to believe that more than 1/3 the people who are cheering during the playoffs even watched more than 2 regular season games.
It is completely assinine for you to believe that a guy who breaks out a jersey during the playoffs didn't watch more than 2 regular season games.
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The Hawks just won a championship. Of course they are going to have bandwagon fans. What championship team doesn't?
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While I would have liked to see the young guys get a little more playoff experience with a deeper run, they definately got a taste of playoff hockey playing in 4 straight elimination games.
That's a good point. It would have been nice to see some of these guys take more time to gel. They have enough talent to get hot too.
I am excited to see how these guys mature next year, and I am looking at Kane more than anyone. I'd like to see them take the regular season a little more seriously.
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First, I'm very impressed with the Hawks guys here (TT, mugrad) that are rising above the fairweather fray to actually discuss the game. Unfortunately I wasn't able to catch it (more of a Wild or Penguins fan than Hawks, being from Green Bay area with no clear rooting allegiance).
That being said, I have been really hard on the new Hawks fans in the past. Based primarily off of these stats:
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2006 (http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2006)
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2007 (http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2007)
http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2008/sort/homePct (http://espn.go.com/nhl/attendance/_/year/2008/sort/homePct)
However, it is clear that the championship has energized the fanbase, and every year they are top 5 in NHL attendance, my eye rolls will become fewer and fewer. If the Hawks keep representing a couple of years without winning championships, or even if they should miss the playoffs, then time dictates that the bandwagon label be taken away. There was never any doubt Chicago could become a great hockey city again, but it was that extreme potential that led me to be pretty pissed about the fervor around the championship run, after those attendance numbers only a couple years before.
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It is completely assinine for you to believe that a guy who breaks out a jersey during the playoffs didn't watch more than 2 regular season games.
Shh, don't bring logic into it. Its much more easy to blindly hate. For example, 2 of the people I watched with last night didn't know all the words to Chelsea Dagger, clearly they didn't even know who the Blackhawks were until last night in the 3rd period.
Green Bay begs to differ sir, come back when your sold out for 50+ years in a row.
Take care.
There is ONE team in GB. In a town that literally owns the team and in a city isn't much else going on. I'm not taking anything away from the passion of Packer fans, but its not a fair comparison. If you want to bring in the rest of the state, its the same state that ignored the Brewers for many years and doesn't exactly strongly support the Bucks through thick and thin.
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More on point, I can't say enough about Crawford. Dude was absolutely dialed in. I thought he was magnificent. Kruger and Johnson are both exciting and I think Leddy is going to be solid going forward. Lot to be excited about.
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It's too bad that Bolland didn't play until the fourth game. His presence completely turned the series around.
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I think it is also important to acknowledge that Vancouver is a talented team. In reality, there is no shame in losing to them in a rebuilding year.
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I think it is also important to acknowledge that Vancouver is a talented team. In reality, there is no shame in losing to them in a rebuilding year.
Especially in overtime of game seven.
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More on point, I can't say enough about Crawford. Dude was absolutely dialed in. I thought he was magnificent. Kruger and Johnson are both exciting and I think Leddy is going to be solid going forward. Lot to be excited about.
I also love the way that they "stole" former first round pick and Univ. of Minnesota player Leddy from the Wild for Cam Barker. They also received Kim Johnnson in the same trade but he had a concussion and missed all of the playoffs last year.
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There is ONE team in GB. In a town that literally owns the team and in a city isn't much else going on. I'm not taking anything away from the passion of Packer fans, but its not a fair comparison. If you want to bring in the rest of the state, its the same state that ignored the Brewers for many years and doesn't exactly strongly support the Bucks through thick and thin.
I hate the 'GB only has one team argument, that's why so many people go to the games.' The Green Bay MSA has about 290k people. Lambeau holds ~70,000 people. By your logic its pretty impressive that a quarter of the locals have gone to every game for 50 years.
By contrast the Chicago MSA is 9 million people, almost twice the population of all of Wisconsin. If you add up all the seats at Wrigley, the Cell, Soldier Field, and the UC that's ~185K seats. If every event was played on the same night, it will still only take 2% of the local population to sell them all out.
All I'm saying is when Chicago fans blast attendance figures in Milwaukee or try to belittle the record numbers in Green Bay, they should think a little bit about large differences in fan base.
Also, great game last night b/t the Hawks and Canucks, and fantastic series to watch.
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I hate the 'GB only has one team argument, that's why so many people go to the games.' The Green Bay MSA has about 290k people. Lambeau holds ~70,000 people. By your logic its pretty impressive that a quarter of the locals have gone to every game for 50 years.
By contrast the Chicago MSA is 9 million people, almost twice the population of all of Wisconsin. If you add up all the seats at Wrigley, the Cell, Soldier Field, and the UC that's ~185K seats. If every event was played on the same night, it will still only take 2% of the local population to sell them all out.
All I'm saying is when Chicago fans blast attendance figures in Milwaukee or try to belittle the record numbers in Green Bay, they should think a little bit about large differences in fan base.
Also, great game last night b/t the Hawks and Canucks, and fantastic series to watch.
It is hard to compare cities because populations are so skewed. I think the NFL is an outlier though because there are only 8 home games and it is by far the king of American sports. Comparing NFL and baseball is apples and oranges.
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It is hard to compare cities because populations are so skewed. I think the NFL is an outlier though because there are only 8 home games and it is by far the king of American sports. Comparing NFL and baseball is apples and oranges.
For arguments sake let's say that the Packers did sell out 50 straight years (which they have not). 8 games a year that is 400 games. Cleveland Indians sold out 455 straight games. So Cleveland fans are obviously better than Green Bay fans.
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Let me clarify
Lambeau Field Season Tickets have been sold out since 1960 - over 80,000 people remain on list
Is that better for you?
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For arguments sake let's say that the Packers did sell out 50 straight years (which they have not). 8 games a year that is 400 games. Cleveland Indians sold out 455 straight games. So Cleveland fans are obviously better than Green Bay fans.
I did not know that fact. I'd have to say that is pretty impressive (probably more impressive than the GB streak) given the number, time, and frequency of baseball games. The only flip side is that Cleveland won their division 6 out of the 7 years of that streak, whereas Green Bay sucked pretty bad in the mid 70's to the late 80's. Again, pretty crazy streak by Indians fans.
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Let me clarify
Lambeau Field Season Tickets have been sold out since 1960 - over 80,000 people remain on list
Is that better for you?
No.
I did not know that fact. I'd have to say that is pretty impressive (probably more impressive than the GB streak) given the number, time, and frequency of baseball games. The only flip side is that Cleveland won their division 6 out of the 7 years of that streak, whereas Green Bay sucked pretty bad in the mid 70's to the late 80's. Again, pretty crazy streak by Indians fans.
This article was written March 11th. It is current sell out streaks going.
The Boston Red Sox have sold out Fenway Park for 631 consecutive games in Major League Baseball and top the list of active sellout streaks in North American pro sport. Seven teams in three leagues have all surpassed 300, including the Canucks in fifth-place at 343 and counting heading into another home stand beginning Monday.
The Dallas Mavericks, #1 in the NBA and #2 overall, stand at 391 consecutive sellouts, while the NFL’s Green Bay Packers and Washington Redskins are third and fourth at 365 and 356, respectively.
Mayenknecht notes that the NFL considers only non-premium seating capacity in recording sellouts. Sellouts in the NFL do not require sell through of all suites, club and other premium seats, which amount to more than 10,000 seats in some NFL stadiums.
Five of the top-10 teams on the active list are NFL franchises. Joining Green Bay and Washington are the Pittsburgh Steelers (327), Denver Broncos (317) and San Francisco 49ers (282).
http://www.teamradio.ca/news/canucks-set-to-reach-350-consecutive-sellouts/
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Mayenknecht notes that the NFL considers only non-premium seating capacity in recording sellouts. Sellouts in the NFL do not require sell through of all suites, club and other premium seats, which amount to more than 10,000 seats in some NFL stadiums.
Five of the top-10 teams on the active list are NFL franchises. Joining Green Bay and Washington are the Pittsburgh Steelers (327), Denver Broncos (317) and San Francisco 49ers (282).
http://www.teamradio.ca/news/canucks-set-to-reach-350-consecutive-sellouts/
To be fair, Lambeau didn't have any premium seats until 1985, and didn't have the full ring of luxury boxes and club seats you now see until the major renovation in 2000. Also, the 365 straight sell outs equates to ~46 years using a 16 game season, so I'd say it's about 50 years knowing that earlier years had shorter seasons.
/ends thread hijack
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Still love this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNn3k1KfOrs
And on the bandwagon issue, I think the Blackhawks have tons of die hard fans, tons of casual fans, and tons of bandwagon fans. Nothing wrong with it as long as people are honest about how devoted to the team they are.
Personally, I watch almost no hockey during the regular season. I'm instead watching my favorite sport, college basketball. But I do keep tabs on what's happening, and when the playoffs start, I'm tuning in. There's not much better entertainment than the Stanley Cup Playoffs, and I'll watch any game that's on, not just Chicago. My team's always been the Blackhawks, but I never claim to be anything more than the casual fan that I am.
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To be fair, Lambeau didn't have any premium seats until 1985, and didn't have the full ring of luxury boxes and club seats you now see until the major renovation in 2000. Also, the 365 straight sell outs equates to ~46 years using a 16 game season, so I'd say it's about 50 years knowing that earlier years had shorter seasons.
/ends thread hijack
To be fair the quote about suites, etc. had nothing to do with Lambeau on my part at all....just to lazy to copy and paste the two different parts of the article to exclude that paragraph. But obviously they are not counting the County Stadium non-sellouts of which I had the pleasure of attending while I was at MU. Or this game because people did not want to go to the game because of a measly 11'' of snow.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/TCArlAPVrXI/AAAAAAAACPM/oKH3haLClvM/s1600/1985-snow-bowl-box.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Pk49mVrUKD0/TCAr0Vr1iEI/AAAAAAAACPU/3Ogu1WEe-ng/s1600/1985-snow-bowl.jpg)
How about that Cory Crawford?
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BTW, the quarterback getting sacked there is Steve Young.
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If you are a fan of Chicago sports, I don't think you are a bandwagon fan because you just started liking the Blackhawks or don't intensely watch hockey until the playoffs. To me, you are a consistent fan if you always root for your city's team, or consistently root for any team. The intensity is not an issue, just the consistency.
Bandwagon fans are fans who randomly pick a front-runner and get in other people's faces about it in my opinion.
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So, given that I'm a self proclaimed bandwagon Blackhawks fan (transplant to Chicago here) and really only watch hockey when the playoffs start, who should I now root for? Doesn't need to be the favorite to win, looking for a team that's exciting to watch (kinda like our Warriors).
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So, given that I'm a self proclaimed bandwagon Blackhawks fan (transplant to Chicago here) and really only watch hockey when the playoffs start, who should I now root for? Doesn't need to be the favorite to win, looking for a team that's exciting to watch (kinda like our Warriors).
These guys :)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/2394658018_afa663fb70.jpg)
Go B's!!!!!!
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I'd probably go for San Jose only because of Antti Niemi.
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Shocking....log in for the first time today to find WI residents taking joy in the Blackhawks defeat and calling out the Chicago fans....sigh. It's honestly sad and funny at the same time.
Proud of the Hawks and the way they fought back in this series, they almost pulled it off. We still have the youngest core of solid players in the NHL...a few nice additions over the summer and this team will be in great shape for another strong run.
Go Bulls.
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These guys :)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3263/2394658018_afa663fb70.jpg)
Go B's!!!!!!
There has got to be a joke in there about Boston fans given that Chara's about to hit the only minority in the NHL, but I just can't seem to find it.
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I am rooting for Nashville...I know, a longshot...but my reason are J.P Dumont and Steve Sullivan who are both ex-Hawks and I always liked as players and the Admirals are Nashville's minor league team and a lot of the Pred's have at one point or another played in Milwaukee.
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There has got to be a joke in there about Boston fans given that Chara's about to hit the only minority in the NHL, but I just can't seem to find it.
P.K. Subban among many other minorities in the NHL might disagree with you.
(http://media.canada.com/fae0b6fd-d281-4d23-840e-569bef1c674c/pk.JPG)
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P.K. Subban among many other minorities in the NHL might disagree with you.
I assumed there was more than one minority in the NHL (does Iginla still play for Calgary?!?), I figured the teal would be a universal cover all for the comment I made.
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Sorry, my mistake, but I really don't pay attention to teal very much. Two more game 7's tonight...too bad they are basically being played at the same time.
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Hoops, the point I was making is that Chicago fans (like every fan base!) Has its share of band-wagoners.
And I believe it was a Chicago fan who brought up WI sports. Since WI doesn't have a hockey team, I have been a Wings fan for years.
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And I believe it was a Chicago fan who brought up WI sports.
Green Bay begs to differ sir, come back when your sold out for 50+ years in a row.
Take care.
I am presuming he is a Pack fan, he was the first one to bring up anything about WI sports and his facts are also wrong.
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Hoops, the point I was making is that Chicago fans (like every fan base!) Has its share of band-wagoners.
And I believe it was a Chicago fan who brought up WI sports. Since WI doesn't have a hockey team, I have been a Wings fan for years.
Bandwagon.
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I want to punch PK Subban in the dick. And not in a gay kinda way.
/not that theres anything wrong with that
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I want to punch PK Subban in the dick. And not in a gay kinda way.
/not that theres anything wrong with that
I know what you mean but at the same time you have to admit he is one of the best skating/puck possession D-Men.
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I am presuming he is a Pack fan, he was the first one to bring up anything about WI sports and his facts are also wrong.
What's wrong about my statement of season tickets sold out since 1960? That is true.
The Packers have sold out every home game at Lambeau Field since 1960.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11036/1123378-66.stm
Thanks
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What's wrong about my statement of season tickets sold out since 1960? That is true.
The Packers have sold out every home game at Lambeau Field since 1960.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11036/1123378-66.stm
Thanks
Cause you never said "season tickets", you said sell outs.
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Green Bay begs to differ sir, come back when your you're sold out for 50+ years in a row
This was your first statement and the first post bringing up WI sports which I was referring to in my post. It is a statement that is false.
What's wrong about my statement of season tickets sold out since 1960? That is true.
This may be true for season tickets at Lambeau but not for sold out games as you mentioned above. Games at County Stadium were not sold out. Less than 20,000 in attendance Dec. 1 1985. Your second post has nothing to do with my post about who brought up WI sports in the thread.
Thanks. Time to move on.
Who do you like in the two game 7's tonight?
But I am guessing you are not much of a hockey fan judging by the great insight you have given to us about the great sport of hockey in a hockey thread.
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Thanks for the English lesson, I love when people stoop to that to make themselves feel better....this is an internet forum for fans, not a formal essay.
And since every home game at Lambeau has been sold out since 1960, I don't understand the confusion on this.
Anyway, enjoy your hockey thread that probably would not have been on here 3 years ago.
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Thanks for the English lesson, I love when people stoop to that to make themselves feel better....this is an internet forum for fans, not a formal essay.
And since every home game at Lambeau has been sold out since 1960, I don't understand the confusion on this.
Anyway, enjoy your hockey thread that probably would not have been on here 3 years ago.
Believe me, pointing out something you should have learned in 4th grade does not make me feel better.
Cause you never said "season tickets", you said sell outs.
It is pretty simple if you think about it.
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So, given that I'm a self proclaimed bandwagon Blackhawks fan (transplant to Chicago here) and really only watch hockey when the playoffs start, who should I now root for? Doesn't need to be the favorite to win, looking for a team that's exciting to watch (kinda like our Warriors).
Western: Nashville is a good bet. They push the pace, which should make their games exciting.
Eastern: I think the Lightning could shock some people if they can get out of the first round.
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Annnnnddddddd B's WIIIINNNNNNN
WOO HOOOOO!!!!!
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So, given that I'm a self proclaimed bandwagon Blackhawks fan (transplant to Chicago here) and really only watch hockey when the playoffs start, who should I now root for? Doesn't need to be the favorite to win, looking for a team that's exciting to watch (kinda like our Warriors).
Just cheer against the Canucks.
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I think the hated Canucks will beat Nashville, and Luongo will make it out of the second round for the first time in his career.
I think they will lose in the following series, however.
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Good ole' hockey game!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAnsygPoIiY&feature=share
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So, given that I'm a self proclaimed bandwagon Blackhawks fan (transplant to Chicago here) and really only watch hockey when the playoffs start, who should I now root for? Doesn't need to be the favorite to win, looking for a team that's exciting to watch (kinda like our Warriors).
Agree with the Nashville comment, they are a fun team. Root against Detroit first and Vancouver second. Personally, I also root against Philly, but that has nothing to do with my love for the 'Hawks but rather my hatred for anything that makes Philly fans happy.
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Personally, I also root against Philly, but that has nothing to do with my love for the 'Hawks but rather my hatred for anything that makes Philly fans happy.
There are things that make Philly fans happy? :D