Kolek planning to go pro
No, I'm saying your graphic is a crap way of analyzing and representing the data, and if taken as fact does not support your assertions/stance whatsoever. But you already knew that.The administration is doing nothing. We have no policy. The task force is being ignored, and some local governors are intentionally instituting policies that will lead to deaths. The fact is, if what is currently going on in places like Hidalgo county, TX, where the only way you get a hospital bed is if someone else dies, and they are overrun with deaths, was happening in the wealthy and white communities, we'd have a massive response and nationwide shutdowns. Instead, we are just letting people die. Apparently, not all lives matter.
“....Don’t seem to be the most intelligent”. Not sure that’s fair, either way I believe all along I think it was the responsibility of businesses and local leaders (mayors and govs) to mandate or not mandate masks.The phases and timeline of Covid infections have been all over the map so to institute the mask requirement from a federal level I don’t think would have worked any better. In reality it’s not until people become legitimately scared that the infection has taken hold in their community that the compliance to mask wearing goes up. And those local decisions should be left for local business and elected leadership.With that said, people are still going to do what they feel they have the right to do. Right or wrong, that’s America.
Thanks for the calm reasoned response, I mean that.I personally struggle with the idea of accepting 30-40,000 annual influenza deaths combined with the possibility of 40-50,000 annual COVID deaths (once vaccine is available) as an acceptable new normal. The mitigation steps put into place the last 6 months seem to be working fairly well when followed and I think we all need to seriously start considering what the future looks like as it relates to going to stores, eating at restaurants, going to ball games, visiting high risk loved ones in nursing homes, etc.The bar has been set the last few months that it’s not just deaths we’re trying to prevent, it’s simply people getting sick.Unless of course. This feverish reaction and heavy breathing regarding Covid has more to do with it being an election year then it does about protecting our most vulnerable and our communities health as a whole.I like to think we haven’t fallen that far as a country though.
Oh, it's fair. It's much nicer than they deserve. A federal mask requirement would have been extremely effective. Trump supporters get their marching orders, and the 'others' do it because it actually makes sense.As for local decisions, why is the Republican governor of Georgia suing the city of Atlanta over its mask requirement? So much for local mandates, aina?
Surprised to see the lack of support for these mitigation measures moving forward during every flu/Covid season.I will continue to fight until preventable death from communicable diseases reach zero, I know that much.I hope you’ll all find it in your heart to join me and understand that these personal sacrifices we are asking you to make are only for 4-6 months out of every year and if in so doing we save 10s of thousands of lives every year and hundreds of thousands of lives over time, it’ll be worth it.
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
I'm not saying, "Let's not do those things because its the flu". I'm saying that asking the public to do those things under normal flu seasons isn't going to happen if we can't convince everyone to wear masks during a global pandemic.
Of course death isn’t the only thing we need to worry about here, no one wants to get sick and there could be long term health issues as a result but let’s remember that this virus has become largely manageable with improved treatments and early detection.
We need to change our whole mindset that it’s not just flu season anymore but flu/Covid season and each will bring with it 40-50,000 annual deaths for a combined 100K Americans senselessly losing their lives on avg every year which terrifies me to think about.[snip]Folks, we need to follow the science here and quit accepting all these preventable deaths as ok.
Whoa - the whirlwind between those two posts is mind boggling.
Whoa - the whirlwind between those two posts is mind boggling. I feel like like I've met someone that likes to continually spin like this before...
either way I believe all along I think it was the responsibility of businesses and local leaders (mayors and govs) to mandate or not mandate masks.
Ummm, no. Just no. You want 10's of thousands of people making different decisions? Rather than the one person that could have convinced his followers to do it. The absolute failure to lead, leading to a patchwork response, is why we are were we are today.If it wasn't so tragic it would be hilarious: Trump would be cruising to re-election if he had handled this even semi-competently. Instead, he has made the wrong choice on an almost daily basis. First, ignore the virus and wish it would go away. Then, because Cuomo was getting such high praise, decide to personally handle the daily briefs and show the world what a scientific ignoramous you are. Have all the patience of a 3 tear old and insist everything must re-open against all scientific advice, thereby prolonging the mess of your own making. Give up on controlling the virus and now insist schools much re-open, which will further prolong the virus just in time for the election.There is only one person that could have torpedoed Trump's chance of re-election. Everything he touches dies.
Almost like it is disingenuous arguing for the sake of it.
The administration is doing nothing. We have no policy. The task force is being ignored, and some local governors are intentionally instituting policies that will lead to deaths.
Gov’s are instituting policies that are going to purposely kill people?Are you referring to the information in below article about Cuomo, Whitmer, Murphy, etc?https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/06/29/885018594/senators-call-for-investigation-of-states-nursing-home-policies-during-pandemic
Crickets on this one huh forgetful? Can only muster up that impeccable intellectual integrity of yours when in comes to criticizing political figures you disagree with.The second it comes to acknowledging terrible mistakes by leaders within your own party it’s predictable silence.
Some of us have crap to do besides replying to obvious trolls. 1. The policies you have been referring to have been discussed on here ad nauseam, when they were relevant, including by me. 2. There were federal policies stating that nursing home patients discharged from hospitals should be returned to their nursing homes, provided they could be properly cared for. These policies are still in effect nationwide, where nursing homes either still try to handle the patients in house, or accept them back, thereby increasing spread amongst the most vulnerable. 3. There used to be federal polices that held these care facilities liable for not providing proper care and protection in cases exactly like what has led to many of these deaths. These rules were revoked by the current administration by executive action. So, I've addressed and discussed these issues before, and they are far grander than a political laundry list of democratic governors. The intellectual dishonesty is not examining the entire situations revolving decisions like this, and what factors and policies exist on a nationwide, and federal level. Have mistakes been made, yes, and I've addressed them previously.Frankly, I have little desire to address anything from you further. So if I don't respond to your replies, it is because in my opinion, you've proven yourself a troll, itching for arguments not honest discussion. Engaging will simply devolve into absurdity, and cause nothing but frustration and futility. That benefits no one.