Oso planning to go pro
Thanks for the kind words, Shooter. Don't mean to be ornery, but I think the "Crowder Rule" (which is not a Juco ban) is an insult to Jae and a mistake for the program. Glad Jae doesn't take it personally - maybe he doesn't even know it exists. If he does, as I said, he's a better man than I am.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
I don't know about you personally, but many of our alumni would "no longer be welcome" if they applied today. Maybe most aren't aware but I'd also like to believe that most of them understand that admissions standards change as time goes on and that fact doesn't bother them.
That was my senior year and there were about 60 of us watching it at a bar in Cancun. The highest of highs and the lowest of lows all within an hour
Where’s the dude that made those Crowder Warriors shirts? Those were nice.
This is pretty much a false narrative.
Affirmative.My GPA and resume from the late 70s (no AP courses, took ACT once with no prep, no volunteer work) likely wouldn't have gotten me in today. But if I was in HS today, I would be taking AP courses (and taking my grades more seriously); I would be doing volunteer work to puff up my resume; I would take an ACT prep course and likely take it at least twice. And in all likelihood, I would create a resume that would get me into MU.Our resumes didn't look as good back in the 70s because we knew they didn't need to look as good....
I think something lost amidst the "Crowder rule" is that right around the time Jae came was when the NCAA was cracking down on APR scores. UConn got a postseason ban for their APR. I think revising JUCO restrictions to make sure they would be on track to graduate was likely more about making sure the program didn't suffer tangible consequences.At the same time, it appeared to the outside that it was a JUCO ban, and as that JUCO identity was already debated amongst alumni and fans, it looked like a shot at those players.I really think it was just about insuring sustained NCAA eligibility and the existing debate that had already begun in the fanbase made it look more divisive than it was. Get kids that can graduate to stay tournament eligible.
This is pretty much a false narrative. Taking the ACT or SAT entrance exams numerous times wasn’t a thing. Testing prep consisted of a PSAT sophomore year so high school counselors could direct you to the right school for your level. Out of 8th grade, my high school tested me and placed me into the appropriate college prep level. Your high school rank versus super weighted GPA was in place. AP courses barely existed (English and Math...maybe history and science). Marquette was slightly better than Loyola and DePaul, but worse than Notre Dame, Nova and Georgetown. Same as today. But, MU was a commuter school well into the 80s versus a resident school today...that much has changed as MU was more hard scrabble.
So what I'm reading hear is that standards have changed over time and students now have to do different things in order to get admittance. That's the point that I was making. Marquette may not have gotten more elite, but nationwide the requirements for getting into college have gone up.
Marquette APR score since its inception:
Marquette APR score since its inception:Crean: 2004-05 918 2005-06 927 2006 -07 954 2007-08 970average 942.5Buzz: 2008-09 975 2009-10 980 2010-11 970 2011-12 960 2012-13 959 2013-14 949average 965.3Wojo: 2014-15 962 2015-16 966 2016-17 950 2017-18 955average 958.25
AgreeI would wager 80% of the UCLA, UCSD, UC Irvine, and UCSB alum at work could not get in today, but did 25 years ago. They all know it, they don’t care. Things change. They got in when they did, those schools are all world class now and they are proud to have been a part of it at one time, but they realize that schools change positions. Marquette is no different.
Notice any trending with Buzz’s scores.........
This is pretty much a false narrative. Taking the ACT or SAT entrance exams numerous times wasn’t a thing. Testing prep consisted of a PSAT sophomore year so high school counselors could direct you to the right school for your level. Out of 8th grade, my high school tested me and placed me into the appropriate college prep level. Your high school rank versus super weighted GPA was in place. AP courses barely existed (English and Math...maybe history and science). Marquette was slightly better than Loyola and DePaul, but worse than Notre Dame, Nova and Georgetown. Same as today. But, MU was a commuter school well into the 80s versus a resident school today...that much has changed as MU was more hard scrabble.Dentistry, Engineering, Nursing and Law were strong just like today. Business had a higher reputation back then, but PT didn’t exist. Financial aid was not as available. UW-Milwaukee was weak but became vastly improved for the commuters which caused MU to shift gradually to the Chicago Catholic schools and out East. The FFP students were more legacy type students who greatly transitioned to successful MU careers and beyond. Because MU was a commuter school, many more JUCOs were accepted both academically and athletically (versus none in the athletics program today and at most 0.4% today by the link Chick shared). In the end, MU is roughly at the same place over the decades as it was back then, with the changes I noted. We just think we are more elite which is the false narrative. Btw, Lenny and I would have been safely in even by today’s “standards”. Just because Scoopers downplay their academics and pump up their drinking and dating skills, this doesn’t mean these are true narratives in today’s world. MU grads have been and are very successful. Marquette is who we thought they were and are: Pretty much at the same place give or take but Milwaukee is a much nicer city. Oh, and Lenny owned the CBOT. The elitism crept in with the Pilarz regime...and has lingered although not as overtly. But the odor still stinks.
I hope those schools aren’t calling those coworkers asking them for money. Exploiting the success of its alumni for the gain of the school even though those types of students would no longer be welcome at the school? What a sham.
Lenny,You are great poster with a ton of insight into MU basketball, especially the AL era. But you and several other 70s poster are extremely negative and have an axe to grind. There are elements to your posts that are correct (jucos should be allowed at MU) but my God this is a good thing. There is no negative too it. You are just being ornery and your 70s bunch is as well.
And finally, about the "exploitation" narrative. Who exploited Jae more? The previous administration who brought him to campus with no chance of graduating since he was a good basketball player? Or the current administration for appreciating what he brought to MU? (I'm being hyperbolic for emphasis here.)
I notice that that Crean has the lowest two seasons and the lowest average.
But grades have inflated over time as well. C used to be defined as "average." Now, you are well into the bottom portion of the class if you are awarded a C. I couldn't find stats going back before 1990, but the US Department of Education has shown that the "average" GPA of high school students increased steadily from 1990-2009.https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2011/04/19/average-high-school-gpas-increased-since-1990
This really is it. The anti-Wojo people are projecting THAT issue onto this announcement. And they really shouldn't be related at all.