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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by The Lens on Today at 10:09:48 AM »
The Lens

How much do think people that own homes and have 401k's feel differently about the economy vs people that do not? I have been saying for the past couple of years that a lot of average people think they are smarter and wealthier than they really are based off of home appreciation and increase in 401k. The rapid rise in home prices and stock market has created a false sense of security to some people, imo.

I think it factors greatly.  However those that own homes and have 401k's are always going to feel better.  And over a long period of time those two things will always appreciate.

If you want to convince me that we've gutted the middle class and it's harder to live off a basic middle class salary, I would totally agree.  But no politician is offering a solution.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by MU82 on Today at 10:05:04 AM »
Ironically a lot of polling is showing a majority of Americans are reporting their own situations are good (or better) but they view the economy as down. There is an incredible amount of misinformation out there, for instance...

New Harris-Guardian poll:

- 56% say US is in recession (reality: 7 straight quarters of positive GDP growth)
- 49% say stocks are down YTD (reality: S&P500 up 12%, the Dow is up 2000 points)
- 49% say unemployment at a 50-year high (reality: U3 has been under 4% longer than any period since the 1960s)

h/t Derek Thompson on X

Yep. When "leaders" constantly scream that the economy is a disaster and that economic doom is imminent, you get those kinds of ill-informed poll results.

In his last speech, the previous president claimed that gas in California "just hit $7.21" (actual price: $5.32), claimed that the federal government's employment numbers are "totally fake" ... but then claimed "credit" for the job recovery under Biden, and so on and so on.

It's like the election lies. Approximately 1/3 of Republicans serving in Congress now spread their cult leader's lies about the 2020 election and/or cast doubt about results of elections that haven't even taken place yet. Christina Bobb, recently indicted for alleged involvement in Arizona's fake-electors fraud, has been named the RNC’s head of “election integrity,” for crissakes.

So yeah ... the stock market is way up, GDP is strong, and unemployment is near a record-low, but many who are easily conned believe the exact opposite is true.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by Goose on Today at 09:47:36 AM »
The Lens

How much do think people that own homes and have 401k's feel differently about the economy vs people that do not? I have been saying for the past couple of years that a lot of average people think they are smarter and wealthier than they really are based off of home appreciation and increase in 401k. The rapid rise in home prices and stock market has created a false sense of security to some people, imo.

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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by 4everwarriors on Today at 09:43:38 AM »
Damn straight, hey?
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The Superbar / Ray Rice Redux
« Last post by Jockey on Today at 09:29:23 AM »
Why does there have to be video when a woman is beaten by a man? Do most Americans see woman as nothing more than lying gold diggers?

No one should be shocked at the news or the video of Diddy. Yet he was given the benefit of the doubt.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by Jockey on Today at 09:24:24 AM »
Ironically a lot of polling is showing a majority of Americans are reporting their own situations are good (or better) but they view the economy as down. There is an incredible amount of misinformation out there, for instance...

New Harris-Guardian poll:

- 56% say US is in recession (reality: 7 straight quarters of positive GDP growth)
- 49% say stocks are down YTD (reality: S&P500 up 12%, the Dow is up 2000 points)
- 49% say unemployment at a 50-year high (reality: U3 has been under 4% longer than any period since the 1960s)


h/t Derek Thompson on X

To state the obvious - people are stupid.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by The Lens on Today at 08:48:38 AM »
Goose:

Of course Trump can't fix it. He helped break it during his first term.

Presidents have a very marginal role in the health of the overall economy. Had any of 17 GOP candidates won the nomination in 2016  and then beat Clinton, that president would have signed the tax cuts into legislation. That was classic conservative policy, the kind the GOP used to be about.

And after Covid struck, any GOP president (and any Dem president) also would have signed the bipartisan stimulus package, which also turned out to have stimulated inflation.

Biden and the Dems then enacted even more stimulus. Combined with the strong recoveries for hundreds and hundreds of corporations, and the relatively low work-force participation that led to wage increases, that goosed inflation.

Inflation still exists. It's now growing at roughly the same annual pace as it did from 1960-2022 (3.5% to 3.8%, depending on which numbers one looks at). Firing Powell won't change that.

Although most GDP, employment, corporate earnings and related statistics suggest the economy is quite strong - and although we all know that Trump and his acolytes would be calling this exact economy The Strongest Economy In The History Of Economies! if he were presiding over it - I do agree with you, Lenny, Sultan and others that the data will not matter if enough Americans lack confidence about their own economic situations. And yes, it could be one of the things - maybe even the main thing - that costs Biden his job.

Ironically a lot of polling is showing a majority of Americans are reporting their own situations are good (or better) but they view the economy as down. There is an incredible amount of misinformation out there, for instance...

New Harris-Guardian poll:

- 56% say US is in recession (reality: 7 straight quarters of positive GDP growth)
- 49% say stocks are down YTD (reality: S&P500 up 12%, the Dow is up 2000 points)
- 49% say unemployment at a 50-year high (reality: U3 has been under 4% longer than any period since the 1960s)

h/t Derek Thompson on X
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The Superbar / Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Last post by MuggsyB on Today at 08:46:40 AM »
Carlisle is a very good coach. Let's not get silly here.

He definitely should have fouled that possession imo.  I hope you're right but I think Indy is in severe trouble.  Tatum did not play particularly well yesterday.  The Pacers are an explosive offensive team but they can't really guard and can kick tbe ball away.  Not being able to in bound the ball, up 3, with 8.5 secs left, just cannot happen.  It's Wojoesque regardless of the fact that Brown was pulling on a jersey.
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The Superbar / Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Last post by The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on Today at 08:41:19 AM »
Carlisle is a very good coach. Let's not get silly here.
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The Superbar / Re: 2023-24 NBA Thread
« Last post by MU82 on Today at 08:40:01 AM »
If Halliburton doesn't lose concentration and kick the ball out of bounds late in regulation, Indiana wins that game. That he did the exact same thing late in OT was stunning.

Plenty of things happened that had nothing to do with Carlisle, the refs, etc, to cost the Pacers the game.

When your best player effs up royally doing the simplest of tasks (simple for an NBA All-Star, anyway), that's how you lose.
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