The Force Awakens *Possible Spoilers*

[MU82]

Just saw Hateful Eight.

I won't give any spoilers. All I'll say is that, like Inglorious Basterds, it was better and funnier than I thought it would be. Really enjoyed the hell out of it.

Violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage ... so not for the kiddies!!!

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Just saw Hateful Eight.

I won't give any spoilers. All I'll say is that, like Inglorious Basterds, it was better and funnier than I thought it would be. Really enjoyed the hell out of it.

Violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage ... so not for the kiddies!!!

I saw it on Christmas.

I liked it, didn't love it. Not Quentin's strongest, but still good. Too long, no doubt.

[StillAWarrior]

Violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage ...

A Tarantino movie that's violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage?!!  Unthinkable!  I guess he wanted to try something new.

[MU82]

A Tarantino movie that's violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage?!!  Unthinkable!  I guess he wanted to try something new.

Ha!

[MU82]

I saw it on Christmas.

I liked it, didn't love it. Not Quentin's strongest, but still good. Too long, no doubt.

I saw the little bit shorter version, I guess. I never once looked at my watch or wondered when it would end.

I agree it wasn't his strongest, but I nonetheless enjoyed it. I think a big part of it was that I went in with fairly low expectations and it easily exceeded them. Another part was that the audience was really good -- laughed and grimaced at all the right parts.

Hey ... I have a question: Was there a cat in the movie? I stuck around to watch the credits and there was a credit for not one but TWO cat trainers. And neither I nor anybody around me could remember seeing a freakin' cat!

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I saw the little bit shorter version, I guess. I never once looked at my watch or wondered when it would end.

I agree it wasn't his strongest, but I nonetheless enjoyed it. I think a big part of it was that I went in with fairly low expectations and it easily exceeded them. Another part was that the audience was really good -- laughed and grimaced at all the right parts.

Hey ... I have a question: Was that a cat in the movie? I stuck around to watch the credits and there was a credit for not one but TWO cat trainers. And neither I nor anybody around me could remember seeing a freakin' cat!

Yes. In the before screen. I was wondering what happened to the cat, that's why I remembered.

[MU82]

Yes. In the before screen. I was wondering what happened to the cat, that's why I remembered.

Thanks. Explains a lot.

OK, I've threadjacked this enough with talk about Tarrantino. Force-Heads can return to the regularly scheduled program.

[barfolomew]

Try this theory.... Rey is Luke's daughter.   When Kylo Ren brought in the knights of Ren and turned on Luke, his wife (Rey's mother) was killed.   Luke knew of the Max Van Sydow character and took Rey there to keep her safe while he went into seclusion.   He gave MVS the final piece of the map to give to Rey when she was old enough.    MVS wasn't much of a surrogate parent and somehow lost track of Rey.   Explains Rey's vision.   Explains how MVS got the map.   Explains how Kylo went into a rage when he learned 'a girl' was involved.  (he knew of Rey earlier, knew she was his young cousin, knew she didn't die)

Is Finn descended from a force family?    Mace Windu?     Taken from a family he never knew.   Kylo Ren was somehow aware of his decision to not shoot.   A stirring of the force?

Mace Windu??!?

[barfolomew]

Seriously, I'm so late to this party that I won't even comment. Thanks to all for sharing some interesting thoughts.

I was hoping that the final battle would be a First Order - Rebellion basketball game.
Clearly, the rebellion would use Admiral Akbar to break the press, so that when he was surrounded at half-court, he could say, "It's a trap!"

[77ncaachamps]

Try this theory.... Rey is Luke's daughter.   When Kylo Ren brought in the knights of Ren and turned on Luke, his wife (Rey's mother) was killed.   Luke knew of the Max Van Sydow character and took Rey there to keep her safe while he went into seclusion.   He gave MVS the final piece of the map to give to Rey when she was old enough.    MVS wasn't much of a surrogate parent and somehow lost track of Rey.   Explains Rey's vision.   Explains how MVS got the map.   Explains how Kylo went into a rage when he learned 'a girl' was involved.  (he knew of Rey earlier, knew she was his young cousin, knew she didn't die)

Is Finn descended from a force family?    Mace Windu?     Taken from a family he never knew.   Kylo Ren was somehow aware of his decision to not shoot.   A stirring of the force?

And Luke is at his wife's (and Rey's mom's) gravesite at the end of the movie.

I'm on this train.
*Wooohoooo Woooohoooo*

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A lot of questions answered all summarized nicely here:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/all-the-backstory-you-desperately-want-to-know-about-th-1751196966

[MUBBau]

It's obvious that Rey is so strong with the Force with no training because she is the child of Luke and Leia.

[reinko]

I like this theory that she is Obi Wan's granddaughter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-ostrower/rey-is-obi-wan-kenobis-granddaughter_b_8911656.html

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

I like this theory that she is Obi Wan's granddaughter.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ben-ostrower/rey-is-obi-wan-kenobis-granddaughter_b_8911656.html

I read that theory after seeing the Force Awakens twice.

What if Luke found out about Obi's hidden family and then ended up marrying Obi Wan's daughter leading to Rey which explains why the Force is so strong in her?  (Parents are Skywalkers & Kenobi's.)

When Ben Solo went to the dark side Luke's wife was killed in his transition to Kylo causing Luke to loose it and to just leave and go find the long lost Jedi Temple.  In the process Rey got left on Jakku, in similar fashion and place to Luke being on Tatooine.


Plenty of internet theories on who is Snoke.
 

[mu03eng]

I read that theory after seeing the Force Awakens twice.

What if Luke found out about Obi's hidden family and then ended up marrying Obi Wan's daughter leading to Rey which explains why the Force is so strong in her?  (Parents are Skywalkers & Kenobi's.)

When Ben Solo went to the dark side Luke's wife was killed in his transition to Kylo causing Luke to loose it and to just leave and go find the long lost Jedi Temple.  In the process Rey got left on Jakku, in similar fashion and place to Luke being on Tatooine.


Plenty of internet theories on who is Snoke.
 

Why does the mom need to be a Kenobi? So everyone in the jedi order was flaunting the rules and having secret families (Anakin, Obi wan, Windu(cause Finn must be his kid))?

I just don't buy it.

[brewcity77]

Why does the mom need to be a Kenobi? So everyone in the jedi order was flaunting the rules and having secret families (Anakin, Obi wan, Windu(cause Finn must be his kid))?

I just don't buy it.

The Rey theory makes sense in that it's Ben's voice we hear in her vision. That and Abrams saying they specifically left her last name out because it would mean something. I'd much rather everyone not be family, but I definitely think Rey will be related to someone, just not 100% sure if she will end up part Kenobi, Skywalker, or Jinn (or a combination of those).

[mu03eng]

The Rey theory makes sense in that it's Ben's voice we hear in her vision. That and Abrams saying they specifically left her last name out because it would mean something. I'd much rather everyone not be family, but I definitely think Rey will be related to someone, just not 100% sure if she will end up part Kenobi, Skywalker, or Jinn (or a combination of those).

I get it but Skywalker makes the most sense and the least contortion to get there. Introducing a secret family for someone is completely out of left field and not necessary. She's gotta be a Skywalker in my opinion.

[buckchuckler]

The Rey theory makes sense in that it's Ben's voice we hear in her vision. That and Abrams saying they specifically left her last name out because it would mean something. I'd much rather everyone not be family, but I definitely think Rey will be related to someone, just not 100% sure if she will end up part Kenobi, Skywalker, or Jinn (or a combination of those).

Can't be Jinn.  If she was Qui Gon's family, someone would have really paid when she got captured, I mean, that guy has some skills.   

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Can't be Jinn.  If she was Qui Gon's family, someone would have really paid when she got captured, I mean, that guy has some skills.   

A particular set of skills?

[Buzz Williams' Spillproof Chiclets Cup]

It's obvious that Rey is so strong with the Force with no training because she is the child of Luke and Leia.

Ewwwwww....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just saw Hateful Eight.

I won't give any spoilers. All I'll say is that, like Inglorious Basterds, it was better and funnier than I thought it would be. Really enjoyed the hell out of it.

Violent and filled with vulgarity and n-word usage ... so not for the kiddies!!!

I saw it on New Year's Eve....felt it was pretty long.  It was good and our family have been close to the Russell \ Franco family for many years (since I was 5).  I wasn't going to see it due to Tarantino's recent comments, but supporting Kurt made me change my mind.

I'd rate it middle of the pack for Tarantino's flicks.  Definitely not for the kiddies.

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I saw it on New Year's Eve....felt it was pretty long.  It was good and our family have been close to the Russell \ Franco family for many years (since I was 5).  I wasn't going to see it due to Tarantino's recent comments, but supporting Kurt made me change my mind.

I'd rate it middle of the pack for Tarantino's flicks.  Definitely not for the kiddies.

Since your brought it up and I've been thinking about it:

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Ingourious Basterds
3. Reservoir Dogs
4. Kill Bill
5. Jackie Brown
6. Django
7. Hateful Eight
8. Death Proof

5-7 are pretty much a toss-up. I'd like to see Hateful Eight again before I really set it there though.

[CTWarrior]

Since your brought it up and I've been thinking about it:

1. Pulp Fiction
2. Ingourious Basterds
3. Reservoir Dogs
4. Kill Bill
5. Jackie Brown
6. Django
7. Hateful Eight
8. Death Proof

5-7 are pretty much a toss-up. I'd like to see Hateful Eight again before I really set it there though.

I will always give Tarantino a look because I loved the first 2 on your list (among my all time favorites by anybody - the scene in the French farmhouse at the beginning of Inglourious Basterds may be my favorite scene ever filmed).  But I detested your numbers 4, 6, & 8.  Based on where you put this one, I probably won't like Hateful 8, but I'll go see it.  Great cast, if nothing else.

[mu03eng]

Unpopular opinion alert: I'd rather watch Episode 1 on endless loop than watch a Tarantino film....what am I missing?

Also wasn't that vampires in Mexico movie with Clooney, Cheech, and Salma Hayek a Tarantino movie? Is it that bad that it doesn't even get ranked?

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Unpopular opinion alert: I'd rather watch Episode 1 on endless loop than watch a Tarantino film....what am I missing?

Also wasn't that vampires in Mexico movie with Clooney, Cheech, and Salma Hayek a Tarantino movie? Is it that bad that it doesn't even get ranked?

That was From Dusk Til Dawn. He wrote it, Rodriguez directed it. Similar to Natural Born Killers, True Romance, he wrote the script, but didn't direct.

Tarantino's best talent is the writing, and that's largely the appeal I have. It's great dialogue, violence, humor and wit that you don't get anywhere else. He always has references and callbacks. Pop culture references, historical movie genre references, cool stuff for movie nerds. The callbacks are always great, Red Apple Cigarettes, Big Kahuna, Fruit Brute, Teriyaki Dount, Jack Rabbit Slims,  the trunk POV shots, the long cuts, the dance scenes, Mexican standoffs, Vega Brothers, Donowitz's, etc...

Then you have the music, which is always fantastic and seemingly perfect for the scene. Mix that together with the stunning visual styling and you're appealing to the senses.

I dunno, I just like em.