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Therein lies the problem and why lives are affected when you throw 18 year olds under a bus and don't honor commitments.Yet people here get cranky when this is pointed out and the messenger is the bad guy. The koolaid is very strong for some. Jim Jones is smiling in hell somewhere.
Is it so bad to believe in someone, especially when the person provides evidentiary support?
We and you don't know that exactly what he was told. What if he was told that the offer was conditional and that he could sign the LOI if he chose but that there were other developments that could affect his being actually being on the team and yet, he decided to take his chances? Then, whose at fault?
So I should just ignore what the kid, family, and his coaches are saying?
What I find odd in both the Roseboro and Newbill case is that Buzz had an assistant break the bad news to the kid. Why?In the Roseboro articles it says clearly that Buzz is not the one that called to tell them. In the Newbill article, it says that Monarch called.Why is the dirty work being done by the assistant coaches and not the captain of the ship? Or, perhaps the articles are wrong and Buzz did make those calls. Odd, though, that both articles would say that about two different players over two different years.
Even if IWB's story is 100% accurate, taking DJ's signature is the exact kind of action that puts us in this position we're in today where we've got a bit of that "ick" feeling. I still feel there was probably some mishandling by those close to DJ and maybe DJ was too quick to sign with a team that wasn't completely sold on him attending, but that doesn't excuse Marquette and Buzz from putting DJ in this position. Take a verbal, tell him it stays as a verbal until he is accepted, and that way if he is really getting offers from WVU or even mid-majors he can lock up his future if that door opens itself to him.
I am not so sure about this. He had a valid contract. The only thing lacking was the failure to submit his application, which in my mind is a correctible error. I am not a lawyer, but what steps did MU take to see that he followed through with that part. Has MU in the past asked other recruits where their paper work was? I would think every school would normally keep on top of getting the necessary paper work done for an incoming recruit. Look at the Mbao situation last year. Buzz said they wre following up daily with the clearing house. My impression of Buzz is that he leaves no stone unturned, but they let Newbill sit on his application. As far as I see it MU's(Buzz's) only out is if they can prove they had a verbal agreement with DJ to not submit the paper work or to go to prep school, so they could use the scholarship elsewhere. If they can do that it would get them off the hook with Newbill, but quite frankly then the NCAA should be coming to MU to look at what is going on. At a minimum the NCAA needs to change their rule to make this a violation in the future. It would be a very interesting case if it went to court. Newbill would be arguing he was denied the value of an MU education and how would MU effectively degrade the value of their own educational degree to show that Newbill was not damaged. However, the most likely reason for Newbill's family getting a lawyer is to get the prohibition form signing with another Big East team lifted. As much as I love MU, the perfect justice to me would have Newbill beat MU on a last second shot. I do not like what went on here at all.
+ 1000000000000000Exactly on point. Why accept a NLI if there was a significant chance you were going to blow the kid off. There is NO REASON for MU and Buzz to have put themselves in this position. Brewcity states it very well and definitely what we should have done. We either want the kid or we don't, instead we told the kid we wanted him to keep him from going elsewhere and then cast him aside when a prettier girl came along. That is just not right and MU and Buzz have egg on their face nowTHAT is what people are upset about and "ick" feeling that Brew talks of. Well said Brew!!
You're plainly wrong here. There was no valid contract. Read the language associated of the letter of intent. It clearly states that the deal is binding if - and only if - the school admits the student. Marquette University did not admit DJ Newbill. Heck, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have admitted DJ Newbill. Therefore, there is no binding contract.On top of that, MU is under no obligation to admit a prospective student - athlete or not - simply because he has submitted an application. that's the point some are missing. It doesn't matter whether he submitted an application or not. Marquette has every right to deny him admission, application and all.
Still grasping at straws and unwilling to admit you know nothing more than anyone else, but have decided not to reserve judgement and rather find fault. Who knows why the assistants break the news, maybe they're also the ones to offer, but that is the least of my worries right now. How much time do you spend trying to think this crap up?
The same way you're completely dismissing what IWB said?
And what is there to admit...of course I don't know anything more than anyone else on this, I'm just going with the information we have. You've come to one conclusion, I've come to another. Other blogs, message boards, articles have come to my conclusion. MU Kool Aid drinkers have come to your conclusion. That's fine, they are just opinions. The answer it probably somewhere in the middle.
So then I go to common sense and I ask myself, why on earth would MU accept a kid's NLI if they were going to Prep School him? Why not just take a verbal and send him to prep school? And then I ask myself, why on earth would a kid give up all his options and sign a NLI if there was a strong chance he was going to not be admitted which would mean almost no viable options for him come July? And then I ask myself, if Jamil Wilson wasn't transferring into MU, would Newbill be a Marquette player (answer is yes)....which is even more bothersome since rumors are that Wilson and MU have been in contact for months, not just recently.MU could have avoided all of this by not taking the kid's NLI.
Absolutely not...you're the one drawing conclusions, I'm the one waiting for more information before I draw mine. Big difference. I'm guessing Buzz has a high level of fault here, but I'm not going to bash him for it until I know it's true. I think he deserves that.
I am drawing conclusions, based on the stories so far....so are other people.trying to lock him up via a NLI just in case is crap.
I am drawing conclusions, based on the stories so far....so are other people.But at the end of the day, if IWB is 100% accurate this is still a BS way to conduct business. We should not be signing kids to NLI's and letting them out of them in the 11th hour. PERIOD. It looks terrible on MU's part, even if we told the kid 24/7/365 that he could be let out of it. There is zero reason for us to do this. You either want him or you don't want him, this halfway crap and trying to lock him up via a NLI just in case is crap.