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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: bradforster on July 01, 2010, 10:15:04 PM
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Much has transpired during the past 24 hours so I feel compelled to provide and update. I had scheduled a sit down interview with Stan Laws and DJ Newbill for tonight in Philadelphia. Stan welcomed an opportunity to set the record straight and address the many rumors floating around about this unfortunate situation. The coach called to inform me this afternoon that he'd been instructed by Newbill family attorneys not to speak on camera regarding the events surrounding the recruitment process and dismissal of DJ Newbill. Fact is, Newbill had offers from other Big East schools and because of an NCAA rule is no longer eligible to participate for a program affiliated with the conference. That is not sitting well with the Newbill family. Many schools have already called to offer DJ a scholarship. He will weigh all offers and probably make a decision in the very near future.
I have stated this before but want to reiterate that I recently moved to Philly for a new job opportunity. Because I have broadcast experience and my own camera equipment, I decided to call DJ's high school and ask permission to do a feature story on Newbill for the fans of MU. They recommended I talk to Stan and he and DJ were happy to accommodate my request. I met them on Saturday to conduct some interviews and get b-roll footage for the piece. If I lived in Chicago I would have done the same thing with Reggie Smith, etc. For those asking why I've made such a big deal over a "mid tier" type recruit my answer is because he's the student athlete that happens to be close enough for me to interview and feature on camera. Period. It's as simple and straight forward as that. I wanted to provide fans of Marquette an inside look at an incoming freshman. I wish I could have done it for each kid joining the Marquette fray. That was not feasible.
In my preparation to post the piece on DJ, I developed a relationship with Stan, DJ and other Philadelphia hoops players during this process. Stan called me on Tuesday to inform me of what had happened earlier in the day so I would not run the Newbill feature as planned next week. I asked if I could break the most current version of events and he gave me the green light. I am going to post a video tomorrow which includes portions of the interviews I conducted over the past few weeks to shed some better insight on DJ's journey to Marquette.
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Much has transpired during the past 24 hours so I feel compelled to provide and update. I had scheduled a sit down interview with Stan Laws and DJ Newbill for tonight in Philadelphia. Stan welcomed an opportunity to set the record straight and address the many rumors floating around about this unfortunate situation. The coach called to inform me this afternoon that he'd been instructed by Newbill family attorneys not to speak on camera regarding the events surrounding the recruitment process and dismissal of DJ Newbill. Fact is, Newbill had offers from other Big East schools and because of an NCAA rule is no longer eligible to participate for a program affiliated with the conference. That is not sitting well with the Newbill family. Many schools have already called to offer DJ a scholarship. He will weigh all offers and probably make a decision in the very near future.
I have stated this before but want to reiterate that I recently moved to Philly for a new job opportunity. Because I have broadcast experience and my own camera equipment, I decided to call DJ's high school and ask permission to do a feature story on Newbill for the fans of MU. They recommended I talk to Stan and he and DJ were happy to accommodate my request. I met them on Saturday to conduct some interviews and get b-roll footage for the piece. If I lived in Chicago I would have done the same thing with Reggie Smith, etc. For those asking why I've made such a big deal over a "mid tier" type recruit my answer is because he's the student athlete that happens to be close enough for me to interview and feature on camera. Period. It's as simple and straight forward as that. I wanted to provide fans of Marquette and inside look at an incoming freshman. I wish I could have done it for each kid joining the Marquette fray. That was not feasible.
In my preparation to post the piece on DJ, I developed a relationship with Stan, DJ and other Philadelphia hoops players during this process. Stan called me on Tuesday to inform me of what had happened earlier in the day so I would not run the Newbill feature as planned next week. I asked if I could break the most current version of events and he gave me the green light. I am going to post a video tomorrow which includes portions of the interviews I conducted over the past few weeks to shed some better insight on DJ's journey to Marquette.
Thanks for the update. Best of luck to DJ.
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Wow, I am stunned, stunned I tell you that you will not deliver on the shocking tell all.
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It would not surprise me if they took legal action of some kind. Whether it works or not, who knows. And I don't blame them for being upset. We're talking about their kid's life here....his options are limited (no Big East school) and because it's late in the game, fewer schools have any open scholarships. Yeah, I'd be damn pissed off.
And so would 99% of the people here if they answered honestly and their son \ daughter signed a NLI and was "cut" the last day of June due to no fault of their own.
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You know, Chicos, I'd be more than pissed..., I'd be hurt. However, if I knew from the getgo that I was in effect waitlisted..., well, I guess I'd have had a contingency plan, a fall back school. It almost seems as though Newbill didn't believe MU was still looking- so, did he know? or not?
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the high school told you to call Coach Stan, whom they fired? okay. ::)
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It would not surprise me if they took legal action of some kind. Whether it works or not, who knows. And I don't blame them for being upset. We're talking about their kid's life here....his options are limited (no Big East school) and because it's late in the game, fewer schools have any open scholarships. Yeah, I'd be damn pissed off.
And so would 99% of the people here if they answered honestly and their son \ daughter signed a NLI and was "cut" the last day of June due to no fault of their own.
1.Do you know that any other Big East team offered him? No,you don't.
2.Do you know that this was through no fault of their own? No, you don't. (I bet if it was your kid the application would have been filled out and submitted prior to June 30th)
3.Do you know that DJ and his family weren't fully apprised that in order to come to MU he might first have to spend a year in prep school? No, you do not.
Save your outrage for Damian Saunders, for whom there were no contingecies. who filled ouy all his paperwork and fully qualified academically only to have his scholarship pulled in August because Crean couldn't run anybody else off. The hypocrisy and faux outrage is wearing very thin.
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Wait! Didn't you say something like "laugable!"? and now "stunned." Great! Go get something to back you up with solid evidence, or shut up!
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I think outside of the application part, the part that I have trouble understanding is the fact that Buzz hasn't made any secret about someone going to prep school. I know if I were in that position I would be constantly talking to the coach about that. For the most part I think the recruits talk to each other, so they would be able to gauge if one wasn't going to prep school. Don't Reggie, Jamail and Vander talk a lot? Jae wouldn't go prep, and I'm pretty sure the prep talk started before Gardner committed. Thus if I were DJ, I'd be calling Buzz every day until I got an answer. Also, I think he said they hadn't talked much since he signed. If true I don't think that makes our staff look great, but then again Newbill could have constantly called Buzz as well.
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Thank goodness someone came to their senses. Nothing positive could have come from that interview, for anyone.
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It should be interesting. I wonder if Buzz and Marquette received legal advice before this all happened. With a law school their should of been no shortage of advice.
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Sheesh, the whiplash from people who loved Brad's videos 5 minutes ago and now consider him a spawn of Crean is ridiculous.
Settle down people. He doesn't have the acquired wisdom of 50+ year olds who sit on their alma mater's basketball message boards all day at work.
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I was referred to Stan by retired Strawberry Mansion high school coach Gerald Hendricks. He is the gentleman to whom I first spoke at Mansion. The funniest part of this whole message board process is that I am the one person who will actually state my comments with my real name attached to them. Hiding behind some crazy self imposed nickname is quite amusing. How can there be any credibility associated with comments made by people using aliases? Anyone can show up on line as Mike Deane, Doris Burke's Thong, or Amal McCaskill's jock strap. Give me a break.
And the reason DJ and Stan can't sit down for the interview is because they have been instructed not to do so by attorneys. They had every intention of doing so before then. I have already interviewed them more than once. It was they who called me after finding out the news on Tuesday. You should get YOUR facts straight. Mine are most certainly in line. And as an added bonus, they have my actual name attached to them. They aren't being attributed to Kevin O'Neill's Profanity Filter and Tom "George Hamilton" Crean. Who the heck would actually use Mike Deane as their screen name anyway? Obviously you have low expectations of yourself.
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For the most part, I believe IWB's recount of events. But, I have a couple questions that I can't reconcile.
1. An LOI is only good for this coming season, correct? (I say this because next years class (2011 freshmen) cannot even sign an LOI until November.)
2. Assuming this is true, why do you accept an LOI from someone you are planning to send to Prep School?
The LOI doesn't make sense for this year if you are planning to send a kid to prep school, and is void for the following season. I have no problem with giving a kid a contingent offer, but the LOI along with it just doesn't make sense. If he gives you a verbal, down the road you have the option of admitting him, cutting ties with him or sending him to prep with no hard feelings.
Am I missing something? If there is a benefit to accepting a LOI from a kid with a contingent offer, can someone please explain it to me?
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You know, Chicos, I'd be more than pissed..., I'd be hurt. However, if I knew from the getgo that I was in effect waitlisted..., well, I guess I'd have had a contingency plan, a fall back school. It almost seems as though Newbill didn't believe MU was still looking- so, did he know? or not?
Ask yourself, would you sign a letter of intent to a school if you were told there was a good chance you would never play there?
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Sheesh, the whiplash from people who loved Brad's videos 5 minutes ago and now consider him a spawn of Crean is ridiculous.
Settle down people. He doesn't have the acquired wisdom of 50+ year olds who sit on their alma mater's basketball message boards all day at work.
No kidding, it's hilarious. Same with DJ's coach. A few months ago they loved him, loved the Journal Sentinel write-up about Newbill with all the quotes from the coach. Last month, they loved PhillyCoach as well, but now he's Hitler.
Incredible.
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Chico, your man Crean isn't coming back. We like Buzz and what he is doing for the program. Buzz may make some mistakes. All and all he has been awesome. Is your soap box high enough?
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Chico, your man Crean isn't coming back. We like Buzz and what he is doing for the program. Buzz may make some mistakes. All and all he has been awesome. Is your soap box high enough?
He's not my man, hate to break it to you.
Buzz will make mistakes, we all do.
I like what Buzz has done so far.....I also want us to do the right thing and that includes honoring commitments. I'm not sure why that's so hard for you to understand.
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Fact is, Newbill had offers from other Big East schools and because of an NCAA rule is no longer eligible to participate for a program affiliated with the conference. That is not sitting well with the Newbill family.
Once he signed that LOI, he was never going to play for another Big East school.
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Once he signed that LOI, he was never going to play for another Big East school.
Therein lies the problem and why lives are affected when you throw 18 year olds under a bus and don't honor commitments.
Yet people here get cranky when this is pointed out and the messenger is the bad guy. The koolaid is very strong for some. Jim Jones is smiling in hell somewhere.
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Therein lies the problem and why lives are affected when you throw 18 year olds under a bus and don't honor commitments.
Yet people here get cranky when this is pointed out and the messenger is the bad guy. The koolaid is very strong for some. Jim Jones is smiling in hell somewhere.
Question: If MU took him on and cut him after next year, that would satisfy your idea of a "commitment", correct?
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1.Do you know that any other Big East team offered him? No,you don't.
Todd Rosiak says he was offered....maybe he's just confused or got his Newbills mixed up.
"Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game last season, wasn't a high-profile recruit but turned down a scholarship offer to West Virginia and also had inquiries from Rutgers and Seton Hall. Because he signed with MU, he's no longer able to sign with any other Big East school."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/97542559.html
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Question: If MU took him on and cut him after next year, that would satisfy your idea of a "commitment", correct?
Yes, because a scholarship is a one year renewable offer.
My biggest beef with all this is that school is about to start, this kid had an offer from another Big East school as well as other programs, and at the 11th hour we push him to the curb because a more attractive player comes along. You don't do that to people. We've now left this kid in a pinch, his Big East options are screwed and more than likely a lot of his other options are screwed, at least in the short run. Who knows about the long run.
And this idea about stashing players at Prep schools. Yeah, it does happen SOME times.....but often without the kid signing any NLI. Once the kid signs a NLI, his options are gone.
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What's an attorney going to do for Newbill? He won't get stink.
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Brad, the family instructed you not to conduct the interviews on camera regarding the recent events.
Did you conduct the interviews off camera? If so, did you utilize any of the questions that you solicited in a previous thread?
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Therein lies the problem and why lives are affected when you throw 18 year olds under a bus and don't honor commitments.
Yet people here get cranky when this is pointed out and the messenger is the bad guy. The koolaid is very strong for some. Jim Jones is smiling in hell somewhere.
Chicos you call yourself the messenger. The messenger for who, ChicoBailBandsExpress? And this is on the scale of Jim Jones? Dude what are you drinking?
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Offers from all these schools - WVU...
Of course, kids never exagerate the schools that are interested in them. We'll see what level of interest there is in DJ now that he is free to sign with whomever.
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Ask yourself, would you sign a letter of intent to a school if you were told there was a good chance you would never play there?
We and you don't know that exactly what he was told. What if he was told that the offer was conditional and that he could sign the LOI if he chose but that there were other developments that could affect his being actually being on the team and yet, he decided to take his chances? Then, whose at fault?
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We and you don't know that exactly what he was told. What if he was told that the offer was conditional and that he could sign the LOI if he chose but that there were other developments that could affect his being actually being on the team and yet, he decided to take his chances? Then, whose at fault?
I'm still not pleased with MU for offering and agreeing to such a one-sided crappy deal.
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It should be interesting. I wonder if Buzz and Marquette received legal advice before this all happened. With a law school their should of been no shortage of advice.
His boss is an attorney.
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His boss is an attorney.
Excellent point. So I am sure they sat down and weighted all the facts of the recruitments and chose a responsible action. Folks we don't know all the facts and that is why I am holding any type of judgement one way or the other.
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I'm still not pleased with MU for offering and agreeing to such a one-sided crappy deal.
[/quote You may be living in utopia.
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I've seen some BS on this board, but I think we reaching new heights.
Legal action. Really, Chico? What's he gonna do, claim its not his signature on the LOI or release form he signed? Time to come back to the real world people. I'm sure he's disappointed, but MU told him he couldn't play basketball here. They didn't give him Smallpox.
If anyone should be concerned about legal ramifications, I'm thinking it would be our resident videographer and those involved with Newbill if they put out some intentionally false or misleading account of things to try to discredit MU.
The more I hear, the better I feel about MU in this whole thing.
As I've said before, get a grip!
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On June 7th before a Philadelphia basketball tournament I did ask Newbill and company on camera if prep school was ever an option. They gave me an emphatic "no." A person with any level of perspicacity would not sign up for the deal I've heard discussed on this board. A kid and his advisors are pondering the following scenario:
"I have been offered a scholarship to play at West Virginia and other schools close to home or I can sign a conditional deal with a school in the midwest knowing that if someone better comes along I will be the odd man out. If I am asked to leave I will never play Big East basketball. Heck yeah, where do I sign!"
No one would sign a letter of intent for that deal. I don't think anyone would do it to play for a traditional college hoops power, much less a team that shows up on national TV only a handful of times each year and hasn't exactly enjoyed post season success of late. It's not as though a Philadelphia kid grows up dreaming to play for Marquette. If I did a poll right now anywhere on the east coast about Marquette's geographical location, only 1 or 2 athletes out of 10 would be able to provide the correct answer.
When I asked DJ why he chose Marquette, he said because of the family atmosphere Buzz creates for his players. He enjoyed the elite camp experience. He and his folks liked everything Buzz stood for and DJ looked forward to working hard and earning quality playing time next year.
To answer the question on whether or not I have posed all the quesions that were recommended on here. Yes, I have done so off camera and I have received responses to all of them. I have absolutely no reason to doubt what I have been told.
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Brad, do you know who this mystery adviser was that IWB referred to?
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I do know the name of the advisor.
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Chicos you call yourself the messenger. The messenger for who, ChicoBailBandsExpress? And this is on the scale of Jim Jones? Dude what are you drinking?
It's sad when you to use teal now all the time to denote sarcasm. Yeah, I was equating it with Jim Jones? ::)
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What's an attorney going to do for Newbill? He won't get stink.
I am not so sure about this. He had a valid contract. The only thing lacking was the failure to submit his application, which in my mind is a correctible error. I am not a lawyer, but what steps did MU take to see that he followed through with that part. Has MU in the past asked other recruits where their paper work was? I would think every school would normally keep on top of getting the necessary paper work done for an incoming recruit. Look at the Mbao situation last year. Buzz said they wre following up daily with the clearing house. My impression of Buzz is that he leaves no stone unturned, but they let Newbill sit on his application. As far as I see it MU's(Buzz's) only out is if they can prove they had a verbal agreement with DJ to not submit the paper work or to go to prep school, so they could use the scholarship elsewhere. If they can do that it would get them off the hook with Newbill, but quite frankly then the NCAA should be coming to MU to look at what is going on. At a minimum the NCAA needs to change their rule to make this a violation in the future. It would be a very interesting case if it went to court. Newbill would be arguing he was denied the value of an MU education and how would MU effectively degrade the value of their own educational degree to show that Newbill was not damaged. However, the most likely reason for Newbill's family getting a lawyer is to get the prohibition form signing with another Big East team lifted. As much as I love MU, the perfect justice to me would have Newbill beat MU on a last second shot. I do not like what went on here at all.
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Thanks, somewhere between:
Buzz -> Monarch - > Adviser X -> DJ
there was a breakdown in communication.
Maybe the Adviser was telling both sides what they wanted to hear to get the deal done and worry about the details later. This seems like the biggest missing link to me.
Maybe Monarch wasn't clear enough and dropped the ball here. I've only met him once and he seemed like a nice enough guy, but he didn't exactly strike me as having a dynamic personality or being an exceptional communicator.
Maybe DJ only heard what he wanted to hear and convinced himself he was coming to MU no matter. Maybe prep school never was an option for him and plan B for him all along was someplace like Drexel or LaSalle if MU didn't work out.
Ultimately the responsibility lies with Buzz since he's in charge. He's been saying repeatedly that someone was going to prep school. I found it extremely odd he would make those comments publicly. Newbill was the obvious choice, and it was even reported here months ago. For some reason that message didn't get through clear enough to Newbill.
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However, the most likely reason for Newbill's family getting a lawyer is to get the prohibition form signing with another Big East team lifted.
That could make some sense (although I find it hard to beleive ay teams would be interested). As far as any action against MU goes, it would be a complete waste of time, especially since he signed a release.
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Did he actually sign the release? We know MU asked him to, but did he actually do it?
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The argument that he didnt do that application and essay is crap because we all know schools bend over backward to get these kids enrolled (example: D. Wade) but if the kid was told his enrollment is contingent upon MU not finding anyone else why would he not make sure he had a plan B...quite possibly because Newbill made a classic teenage mistake in only hearing what he wanted to hear...for some reason my gut tells me Buzz made it very clear to all parties involved what was going on, do I/we feel bad for DJ yes, but I also understand the waitlist aspect...I was waitlisted at schools thats just how it goes, live, learn, move on...good luck DJ and we should hope Buzz learns from this and does not do it again...What good would stringing this kid out in a bunch of interviews do either, move on.
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DJ will most certainly sign the release. There is absoultely no reason for him to sit on it at this point. The kid wants to play basketball. He is ready to move on. Stan and company are not happy that he does not have the opportunity to do that with a Big East school, but in the end he just wants to play hoops.
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A kid and his advisors are pondering the following scenario:
"I have been offered a scholarship to play at West Virginia and other schools close to home or I can sign a conditional deal with a school in the midwest knowing that if someone better comes along I will be the odd man out. If I am asked to leave I will never play Big East basketball. Heck yeah, where do I sign!"
This is the crux of the issue I have with this whole situation. It makes absolutely no sense that a kid would sign a LOI with those conditions, which is what IWB/MU would have you believe. Therefore I do not accept it as the truth. I really liked everything about Buzz and what he publicly stands for, but it sure seems like we left this kid high and dry.
None of the other stuff that has happened, (Buzz leaving UNO, Roseboro leaving, Maymon leaving) bothered me much, because there were reasonable explanations that didn't cast Buzz in too bad a light. This one is a head scratcher.
I still believe in Buzz the man, but less than I did a few days ago. We should not be giving kids LOI's to sign unless we plan on honoring them save for law breaking or academic issues.
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To answer the question on whether or not I have posed all the quesions that were recommended on here. Yes, I have done so off camera and I have received responses to all of them. I have absolutely no reason to doubt what I have been told.
Brad, will you be sharing the responses to our questions, or did DJ's camp ask you not to?
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DJ will most certainly sign the release. There is absoultely no reason for him to sit on it at this point. The kid wants to play basketball. He is ready to move on. Stan and company are not happy that he does not have the opportunity to do that with a Big East school, but in the end he just wants to play hoops.
Brad - I liked the video you shot, and the insights you provided on DJ about 6 weeks ago. Clearly you have developed a relationship with DJ and his people on a more personal level than any of us, or to anyone on the MU coaching staff. It is perfectly reasonable for you to take the Newbill side of the story as the truth. That said, most of us cannot discount IWB's account - and knowing what we know about Buzz - that he is brutually honest..it is hard for us to believe that DJ was completely blindsided by this. Furthermore, at the time of your video and Philly Coach showing up on MUScoop, there was ALOT of speculation that DJ wouldn't be coming to MU at that time. Why would this be? There were also rumors of Jamil Wilson transferring from Oregon as early as February - and if MU had a deal with him at the earliest outset of the transfer rumors - why would MU have gone through with the Newbill LOI process in late April? Truly, in many ways it seems Philly Coach and yourself (though maybe not with any real intent), combined to form this situation to where this event could be viewed as a travesty and injustice..if MU decided to go a different direction than Newbill. I've never known of any other recruit's coach to come post on MUScoop..and it just seems a little weird now..given a ll that has transpired. Thoughts?
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You should get YOUR facts straight. Mine are most certainly in line. And as an added bonus, they have my actual name attached to them. They aren't being attributed to Kevin O'Neill's Profanity Filter and Tom "George Hamilton" Crean. Who the heck would actually use Mike Deane as their screen name anyway? Obviously you have low expectations of yourself.
Really? Really, Mr. Forster? That's your line of attack? "Oh, I'm better than you because I used my real name when I posted, you must have no credibility."
Please.
People post on different message boards for different reasons. Most of them are posting because they want to discuss a common interest. I think that's the case for most of the people here. Some post because they want to big-up themselves. In the case of a journalist trying to make a break for himself, that makes perfect sense. There's nothing wrong with it, but my guess is that you will probably use the Newbill piece you cut for a demo tape or local piece. There's nothing wrong with that, and it's kind of you to share it with us, but let's not pretend that doing so doesn't give you the chance to get feedback from interested parties, allowing you to make improvements should you send the piece off to a prospective employer to show your prowess.
So you are Brad Forster. Alright, I'm Alan Bykowski. I use the screen name brewcity77 on every site I'm on as a reference to the town and year in which I was born. My interests include working out, Marquette basketball, soccer, the Konami video game series Pro Evolution Soccer (on one UK website I have over 15,000 posts under the brewcity77 name, and you guys thought Chicos had no life), and long walks by the man-made lake with my girlfriend near the condo in which we live. I graduated from Marquette in 2006 with a degree in broadcast communications and a minor in English. So now that my info is out there, I must have at least as much, if not more credibility than you do.
At the end of the day, I'm happy to hear DJ's and your side of the story. Like many on here, I think we are approaching our coach with support, but also a tentativeness as we hope he is the honest and stand-up guy he presents himself as. I truly hope for the best for DJ, and would be very happy if he did end up going the prep school route and joining Marquette a year from now. But I'm also not going to sit here and act like Marquette is the only party here that is likely in the wrong. There's two sides to every story, I'm guessing that Buzz probably could have handled things better but I'm also guessing DJ's handlers could have handled things better.
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You know, with all the allegations being thrown out, if IF the kid and his family have an attorney file a lawsuit. Bring a claim for losses if there is an action. If things happened as it has been described there may be a colorable claim. Hell, if not that, I am sure the big east and mu would waive the no big east transfer restrictions if an appeal or other actions were taken. Why do I sense that these things will never happen because the truth, whatever that is, isn't what has been out there by their camp. Heck, why not cancel this interview as well. Who knows, maybe someone from mu legal made a call.
If this went down as reported bythe advisors camp is suspect there would be a claim. I wouldn't wait- it's easier to talk tobpress.
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This is the crux of the issue I have with this whole situation. It makes absolutely no sense that a kid would sign a LOI with those conditions, which is what IWB/MU would have you believe. Therefore I do not accept it as the truth. I really liked everything about Buzz and what he publicly stands for, but it sure seems like we left this kid high and dry.
None of the other stuff that has happened, (Buzz leaving UNO, Roseboro leaving, Maymon leaving) bothered me much, because there were reasonable explanations that didn't cast Buzz in too bad a light. This one is a head scratcher.
I still believe in Buzz the man, but less than I did a few days ago. We should not be giving kids LOI's to sign unless we plan on honoring them save for law breaking or academic issues.
Well said. I completely agree. Whether or not which side is right, I do not like how this whole issue went down. Having Newbill sign a LOI was the wrong decision and then cutting him right before he is about to set foot on campus is just plain wrong. I know this is a business, however I thought Marquette was above behaving in this manor. I guess I was wrong.
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Wow, I am stunned, stunned I tell you that you will not deliver on the shocking tell all.
If I can be so bold, what do you do for a living Mr. Forster?
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Therein lies the problem and why lives are affected when you throw 18 year olds under a bus and don't honor commitments.
Yet people here get cranky when this is pointed out and the messenger is the bad guy. The koolaid is very strong for some. Jim Jones is smiling in hell somewhere.
My guess is you're right, but it's just a guess, as is yours. The problem is that you state your assumptions as if they are facts, without any mention that there's a chance you may be incorrect or not understanding the situation.
A few weeks ago you were arguing that this is a business, and now you're arguing that we're throwing 18 year old kids under the bus. I'm not sure you can have it both ways.
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Fair enough Brew City. I also have a degree from MU and called the basketball games during my days at the school. I haven't missed a game in years because I have the BIG East network and ESPN Full Court packages. I would say we are both equally qualified to discuss Marquette hoops. And yes, I too want the best for both parties. The Newbill folks called me to tell their story. I did not solicit information from them regarding this release request. They felt bad I had spent a great deal of time researching, writing and editing a feature on DJ only for it not to be posted next week as planned.
I hope DJ lands on his feet and has an outstanding career elsewhere. As far as the application process, DJ was instructed to take his time on the essay portion. No firm deadline had been presented to him. As an 18 year old ready to play basketball he was preparing to join the team through strength and conditioning training and practice on the court. When Scott called Stan to discuss the application, Stan told him they could have it ready promptly. Again, DJ was instructed to take his time on the essay. That is what I have been told. From everything I have heard from Stan on this end and seen with my own eyes, I believe him. Is it so bad to believe in someone, especially when the person provides evidentiary support?
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Is it so bad to believe in someone, especially when the person provides evidentiary support?
Not in the least, and frankly, that's my main issue right now. Your pieces did help me get behind DJ as a prospect and as a future Warrior. And the story from IWB, coupled with a lot of the things we've heard from Buzz in the past makes me want to believe in him as well. I'm still guessing the answer is somewhere in the middle, but regardless of what it is, I am disappointed that people at Marquette have allowed it to play out this way.
Even if IWB's story is 100% accurate, taking DJ's signature is the exact kind of action that puts us in this position we're in today where we've got a bit of that "ick" feeling. I still feel there was probably some mishandling by those close to DJ and maybe DJ was too quick to sign with a team that wasn't completely sold on him attending, but that doesn't excuse Marquette and Buzz from putting DJ in this position. Take a verbal, tell him it stays as a verbal until he is accepted, and that way if he is really getting offers from WVU or even mid-majors he can lock up his future if that door opens itself to him.
Right now I'm going to hope that Wilson pans out for us and DJ finds a good fit for him as soon as possible. And for whatever it's worth, at least one Marquette alum is empathizing with DJ for how things turned out.
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We and you don't know that exactly what he was told. What if he was told that the offer was conditional and that he could sign the LOI if he chose but that there were other developments that could affect his being actually being on the team and yet, he decided to take his chances? Then, whose at fault?
So I should just ignore what the kid, family, and his coaches are saying?
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So I should just ignore what the kid, family, and his coaches are saying?
The same way you're completely dismissing what IWB said? ::)
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What I find odd in both the Roseboro and Newbill case is that Buzz had an assistant break the bad news to the kid. Why?
In the Roseboro articles it says clearly that Buzz is not the one that called to tell them. In the Newbill article, it says that Monarch called.
Why is the dirty work being done by the assistant coaches and not the captain of the ship? Or, perhaps the articles are wrong and Buzz did make those calls. Odd, though, that both articles would say that about two different players over two different years.
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What exactly is the Newbill camp saying that refutes anything IWB said? And by Newbill camp I mean not Coach Laws, since IWB's story is that he wasn't involved. From what I've seen, they've said they're a little upset this happened and they're not happy he can't go to another Big East school now.
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What I find odd in both the Roseboro and Newbill case is that Buzz had an assistant break the bad news to the kid. Why?
In the Roseboro articles it says clearly that Buzz is not the one that called to tell them. In the Newbill article, it says that Monarch called.
Why is the dirty work being done by the assistant coaches and not the captain of the ship? Or, perhaps the articles are wrong and Buzz did make those calls. Odd, though, that both articles would say that about two different players over two different years.
Still grasping at straws and unwilling to admit you know nothing more than anyone else, but have decided not to reserve judgement and rather find fault. Who knows why the assistants break the news, maybe they're also the ones to offer, but that is the least of my worries right now. How much time do you spend trying to think this crap up?
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Even if IWB's story is 100% accurate, taking DJ's signature is the exact kind of action that puts us in this position we're in today where we've got a bit of that "ick" feeling. I still feel there was probably some mishandling by those close to DJ and maybe DJ was too quick to sign with a team that wasn't completely sold on him attending, but that doesn't excuse Marquette and Buzz from putting DJ in this position. Take a verbal, tell him it stays as a verbal until he is accepted, and that way if he is really getting offers from WVU or even mid-majors he can lock up his future if that door opens itself to him.
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Exactly on point. Why accept a NLI if there was a significant chance you were going to blow the kid off. There is NO REASON for MU and Buzz to have put themselves in this position.
Brewcity states it very well and definitely what we should have done. We either want the kid or we don't, instead we told the kid we wanted him to keep him from going elsewhere and then cast him aside when a prettier girl came along. That is just not right and MU and Buzz have egg on their face now
THAT is what people are upset about and "ick" feeling that Brew talks of. Well said Brew!!
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I am not so sure about this. He had a valid contract. The only thing lacking was the failure to submit his application, which in my mind is a correctible error. I am not a lawyer, but what steps did MU take to see that he followed through with that part. Has MU in the past asked other recruits where their paper work was? I would think every school would normally keep on top of getting the necessary paper work done for an incoming recruit. Look at the Mbao situation last year. Buzz said they wre following up daily with the clearing house. My impression of Buzz is that he leaves no stone unturned, but they let Newbill sit on his application. As far as I see it MU's(Buzz's) only out is if they can prove they had a verbal agreement with DJ to not submit the paper work or to go to prep school, so they could use the scholarship elsewhere. If they can do that it would get them off the hook with Newbill, but quite frankly then the NCAA should be coming to MU to look at what is going on. At a minimum the NCAA needs to change their rule to make this a violation in the future. It would be a very interesting case if it went to court. Newbill would be arguing he was denied the value of an MU education and how would MU effectively degrade the value of their own educational degree to show that Newbill was not damaged. However, the most likely reason for Newbill's family getting a lawyer is to get the prohibition form signing with another Big East team lifted. As much as I love MU, the perfect justice to me would have Newbill beat MU on a last second shot. I do not like what went on here at all.
You're plainly wrong here. There was no valid contract. Read the language associated of the letter of intent. It clearly states that the deal is binding if - and only if - the school admits the student. Marquette University did not admit DJ Newbill. Heck, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have admitted DJ Newbill. Therefore, there is no binding contract.
On top of that, MU is under no obligation to admit a prospective student - athlete or not - simply because he has submitted an application. that's the point some are missing. It doesn't matter whether he submitted an application or not. Marquette has every right to deny him admission, application and all.
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Exactly on point. Why accept a NLI if there was a significant chance you were going to blow the kid off. There is NO REASON for MU and Buzz to have put themselves in this position.
Brewcity states it very well and definitely what we should have done. We either want the kid or we don't, instead we told the kid we wanted him to keep him from going elsewhere and then cast him aside when a prettier girl came along. That is just not right and MU and Buzz have egg on their face now
THAT is what people are upset about and "ick" feeling that Brew talks of. Well said Brew!!
That's great, and I think everyone agrees it was a bad decision for the coaches to take the NLI when they were still looking for someone else, but that doesn't mean Newbill's camp didn't know this was a possibility. It's a big leap between those two positions.
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You're plainly wrong here. There was no valid contract. Read the language associated of the letter of intent. It clearly states that the deal is binding if - and only if - the school admits the student. Marquette University did not admit DJ Newbill. Heck, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have admitted DJ Newbill. Therefore, there is no binding contract.
On top of that, MU is under no obligation to admit a prospective student - athlete or not - simply because he has submitted an application. that's the point some are missing. It doesn't matter whether he submitted an application or not. Marquette has every right to deny him admission, application and all.
You are absolutely correct....that's where spirit comes into play. That's where what is the right thing to do comes into play. If this kid was a 5 star player, he's getting in and any nonsense about an application and an essay not quite right are not even an issue. And we all know it.
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Just thought of this: if newbill *was* available, do you think WVU would sign him over Noreen?
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You're absolutely right. There wouldn't be an issue with a 5*, because a 5* wouldn't be given a contingent offer. Newbill was. Hence the difference.
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Still grasping at straws and unwilling to admit you know nothing more than anyone else, but have decided not to reserve judgement and rather find fault. Who knows why the assistants break the news, maybe they're also the ones to offer, but that is the least of my worries right now. How much time do you spend trying to think this crap up?
Exactly!
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The same way you're completely dismissing what IWB said? ::)
I didn't realize IWB's words were the end all be all. I like Jim, he's well connected and a good guy. He also has a relationship with MU that I'm sure he would like to keep in tact, don't you think? Maybe he only knows what they are feeding him. Who knows. What you seem to be saying MUfan12, is that this kid is lying, his high school coach is lying, his AAU coach is lying and his parents are lying. Is that possible? Yup. Is it also possible that maybe MU was extremely vague with this kid and there was bad communications and intent? Yup. It is also possible that MU just flat out pulled the rug under this kid? Yup.
All are possible. So then I go to common sense and I ask myself, why on earth would MU accept a kid's NLI if they were going to Prep School him? Why not just take a verbal and send him to prep school? And then I ask myself, why on earth would a kid give up all his options and sign a NLI if there was a strong chance he was going to not be admitted which would mean almost no viable options for him come July? And then I ask myself, if Jamil Wilson wasn't transferring into MU, would Newbill be a Marquette player (answer is yes)....which is even more bothersome since rumors are that Wilson and MU have been in contact for months, not just recently.
MU could have avoided all of this by not taking the kid's NLI.
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Still grasping at straws and unwilling to admit you know nothing more than anyone else, but have decided not to reserve judgement and rather find fault. Who knows why the assistants break the news, maybe they're also the ones to offer, but that is the least of my worries right now. How much time do you spend trying to think this crap up?
Thanks for answering the question. Why is it in both articles in both years, Buzz isn't the guy telling the poor kid he's out and having an assistant do it? That isn't a fair question? I think it is, don't know why you decided not to answer it but spent a lot time going on the attack again.
And what is there to admit...of course I don't know anything more than anyone else on this, I'm just going with the information we have. You've come to one conclusion, I've come to another. Other blogs, message boards, articles have come to my conclusion. MU Kool Aid drinkers have come to your conclusion. That's fine, they are just opinions. The answer it probably somewhere in the middle.
I could see this scenario...."yes, MU told us there was a chance that he would have to go to Prep school, but we were told the chances were almost nil". Under that scenario, yes, he would have been informed that Prep School was possible...but would that make the kid, family, etc think it's likely?
Hell, there's a chance I could die on my flight tomorrow, and I've been warned. I'm still getting on the plane and if it goes down I can guarantee you there will be lawsuits happening. It comes down to what was said, what was offered, was interpreted. I just wish it was Buzz who was delivering the good news and bad news, that's what leaders do, not just the good news.
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And what is there to admit...of course I don't know anything more than anyone else on this, I'm just going with the information we have. You've come to one conclusion, I've come to another. Other blogs, message boards, articles have come to my conclusion. MU Kool Aid drinkers have come to your conclusion. That's fine, they are just opinions. The answer it probably somewhere in the middle.
Absolutely not...you're the one drawing conclusions, I'm the one waiting for more information before I draw mine. Big difference. I'm guessing Buzz has a high level of fault here, but I'm not going to bash him for it until I know it's true. I think he deserves that.
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He never even sent his application......Please!
Are we to believe "everyone" is "so" naive?
Are you guys really Marquette graduates?
Have you guys ever moved from "one" serious job to another and moved "somewhere across the country" and have not signed all your "contracts/offer" and dotted all the "i's and crossed the t's" before you resigned your previous position?
Just a thought!
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So then I go to common sense and I ask myself, why on earth would MU accept a kid's NLI if they were going to Prep School him? Why not just take a verbal and send him to prep school? And then I ask myself, why on earth would a kid give up all his options and sign a NLI if there was a strong chance he was going to not be admitted which would mean almost no viable options for him come July? And then I ask myself, if Jamil Wilson wasn't transferring into MU, would Newbill be a Marquette player (answer is yes)....which is even more bothersome since rumors are that Wilson and MU have been in contact for months, not just recently.
MU could have avoided all of this by not taking the kid's NLI.
Not a fan of this transaction and move - however, the reason MU would take Newbill's NLI..and not just keep him at verbal status is: 1) It prevents other schools from recruiting him. 2)Which puts MU in the lead position and likely destination at the end of a year in Prep School. My sincere belief in all of this is that Buzz wanted Newbill at MU, but not in this class - but in the 2011/2012 class. My guess is Newbill did know this was a possiblity all along, but had his hopes up due to getting so close to getting to MU this year..and now this is a big let down...and disappointment.
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Absolutely not...you're the one drawing conclusions, I'm the one waiting for more information before I draw mine. Big difference. I'm guessing Buzz has a high level of fault here, but I'm not going to bash him for it until I know it's true. I think he deserves that.
I am drawing conclusions, based on the stories so far....so are other people.
But at the end of the day, if IWB is 100% accurate this is still a BS way to conduct business. We should not be signing kids to NLI's and letting them out of them in the 11th hour. PERIOD. It looks terrible on MU's part, even if we told the kid 24/7/365 that he could be let out of it. There is zero reason for us to do this. You either want him or you don't want him, this halfway crap and trying to lock him up via a NLI just in case is crap.
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I am drawing conclusions, based on the stories so far....so are other people.
trying to lock him up via a NLI just in case is crap.
What 'story so far' says that we tried 'to lock him up via a NLI just in case'?
You're full of it. It's always funny to watch a sociopath whine about the perceived 'bad behaviors' of others, but this 'fun' should stop now.
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Absolutely not...you're the one drawing conclusions, I'm the one waiting for more information before I draw mine. Big difference. I'm guessing Buzz has a high level of fault here, but I'm not going to bash him for it until I know it's true. I think he deserves that.
Just curious, does anyone really honestly believe we'll get more information on the Marquette side of the story than what IWB wrote? I just can't see it. My guess is there are probably restrictions on what they can say, and any backtracking would only lend credence to Newbill's right to feel aggrieved.
I just want to move on from this. I accept that it should have been handled better on all sides, and really hope this is the last such incident we see for quite awhile. I want Marquette to win, but I don't want NCAA inquests and legitimate comparisons to the John Calipari school of recruiting. My guess is we will never get the answers we want.
Best of luck to both DJ and to Jamil Wilson, and I really hope Buzz knows that we expect better. Even if IWB's story is completely true, I know there is a better way of conducting business. If the instructors and priests at Marquette taught me nothing else, they did teach me that.
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I am drawing conclusions, based on the stories so far....so are other people.
But at the end of the day, if IWB is 100% accurate this is still a BS way to conduct business. We should not be signing kids to NLI's and letting them out of them in the 11th hour. PERIOD. It looks terrible on MU's part, even if we told the kid 24/7/365 that he could be let out of it. There is zero reason for us to do this. You either want him or you don't want him, this halfway crap and trying to lock him up via a NLI just in case is crap.
I agree with this all having an "ick" factor in the way it played out. But my BIGGEST question about the situation: If DJ wanted so badly to come to MU, why did he not have the application/essay filled out and sent in a week before he was to arrive on campus? True, as a 5 star it may have been done for him, but that's not the point I'm questioning. I just want someone to explain to me, if DJ really wanted to come to MU, and he really thought he was going to play here in 2010, why was his application/essay not turned in yet?
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Boooriiiing.
This is starting to go in circles like the name change debate. It's over. People have a difference of opinion and that's it. The kid isn't coming. Good luck to him. Hopefully everyone learns from this and we are all better coaches, players, administrators and human beings. Life goes on.
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Boooriiiing.
This is starting to go in circles like the name change debate. It's over. People have a difference of opinion and that's it. The kid isn't coming. Good luck to him. Hopefully everyone learns from this and we are all better coaches, players, administrators and human beings. Life goes on.
Congrats AC, you have posted the most sensible, well thought out, well worded post regarding the topic!
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I agree with this all having an "ick" factor in the way it played out. But my BIGGEST question about the situation: If DJ wanted so badly to come to MU, why did he not have the application/essay filled out and sent in a week before he was to arrive on campus? True, as a 5 star it may have been done for him, but that's not the point I'm questioning. I just want someone to explain to me, if DJ really wanted to come to MU, and he really thought he was going to play here in 2010, why was his application/essay not turned in yet?
Great question, seems one answer is the coaches were telling him to take his time with it. If your coaches that recruit you are telling you take your time, no rush, aren't you going to listen to them?
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Bear with me on this.
I hear a lot of complaining (possibly legitimate) that DJ is now precluded from signing a NLI with any of these other BE schools that have supposedly offered him due to the BE rule that if you get released from a NLI from a member school you cannot sign with another BE school. My guess is that rule is in there to protect the school that initially offered the NLI (MU in this case). If IWB's account is accurate which somewhat makes MU the instigator of this situation, MU should not care if DJ is given the opportunity to sign with another BE school. Can't MU petition the BE for a waiver of this rule in DJ's case? Wouldn't that assuage somewhat the situation (and also help on the PR front here)?
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You're plainly wrong here. There was no valid contract. Read the language associated of the letter of intent. It clearly states that the deal is binding if - and only if - the school admits the student. Marquette University did not admit DJ Newbill. Heck, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have admitted DJ Newbill. Therefore, there is no binding contract.
On top of that, MU is under no obligation to admit a prospective student - athlete or not - simply because he has submitted an application. that's the point some are missing. It doesn't matter whether he submitted an application or not. Marquette has every right to deny him admission, application and all.
If there is no valid contract, than there is no basis for Newbill not being allowed to sign with another Big East school. The NLI should be challenged in court, because it will result in a better contract in the future. A contract that gives all the power to the schools needs to be changed.
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Legally speaking a recruit never needs to sign a LOI in order to attend a school however it is the norm for them to do so. So unfortunately the best advice to future recruits would be to not sign a LOI at all.
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Guys - bradfoster has put up great stuff so don't go after him - he has a great perspective and made it clear he is just passing on info because he has access and he happened to have just interviewed people. I don't happen to believe a 2-star (scout) and very low 3-star (rivals) had other BE offers, but I certainly don't fault bradfoster for reporting what is being said. Keep posting great stuff BradFoster and sorry you got stuck in the middle of this.
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Anyone help me with something .. what's the recruiting sequence?
* Coaches look at player
* Coach delivers an offer of scholarship
* Player verbal
* Player writes NLI
Are these out of order somehow? Prior to DJN writing out a NLI, he was offered a scholarship by MU, right?
Or is an "offer" optional? Could you write an NLI without one?
I guess the guy in me who stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night and isn't a lawyer sees an "offer, then acceptance" contract. Any actual JDs out there see it a different way?
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Guys - bradfoster has put up great stuff so don't go after him - he has a great perspective and made it clear he is just passing on info because he has access and he happened to have just interviewed people. I don't happen to believe a 2-star (scout) and very low 3-star (rivals) had other BE offers, but I certainly don't fault bradfoster for reporting what is being said. Keep posting great stuff BradFoster and sorry you got stuck in the middle of this.
So you don't believe Rosiak, then, when he says he was offered by West Virginia? Why don't you believe Rosiak?
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Since it appears that neither Newbill nor his coach and family "understood" that the offer was conditional and that prep school was the alternative if "things" changed, maybe they also interpreted contact and interest by WVU to be an offer. People often hear what they want to hear when they want something badly enough....this sounds like the case to me.... on all fronts. It's unfortunate for the kid, especially if prep school then MU in 2011 was truly an option and he now wants nothing to do with that chance.
Let's give this a rest; we are beating a dead horse.
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Are these out of order somehow? Prior to DJN writing out a NLI, he was offered a scholarship by MU, right?
Or is an "offer" optional? Could you write an NLI without one?
Kids don't "write out" an NLI. They sign it, as does the institution. When a prospective student-athlete receives an NLI to sign, they must also have received an offer of athletics financial aid for an academic year. However, that financial aid offer and the NLI is null and void if the student is not admitted to the institution.
In other words, there must be an offer, but it is a conditional offer.
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So you don't believe Rosiak, then, when he says he was offered by West Virginia? Why don't you believe Rosiak?
Let's be clear here. Rosiak did not say Newbill had an offer from West Virginia.
Rosiak reported that Newbill said he had an offer from West Virginia.
"Newbill said he chose MU over fellow Big East rival West Virginia, which still had a scholarship offer on the table, along with Philadelphia-area schools LaSalle and Drexel. Newbill said Villanova didn't pursue him because of its depth at guard heading into next season."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83175597.html
Did Newbill have an offer from WVU? I have no idea. Neither do you. I don't see why he'd lie about it, but the only people who know for sure are Newbill and West Virginia.
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Let's be clear here. Rosiak did not say Newbill had an offer from West Virginia.
Rosiak reported that Newbill said he had an offer from West Virginia.
"Newbill said he chose MU over fellow Big East rival West Virginia, which still had a scholarship offer on the table, along with Philadelphia-area schools LaSalle and Drexel. Newbill said Villanova didn't pursue him because of its depth at guard heading into next season."
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83175597.html
Did Newbill have an offer from WVU? I have no idea. Neither do you. I don't see why he'd lie about it, but the only people who know for sure are Newbill and West Virginia.
I doubt we'll ever really know unless another Big East school is willing to offer him now. I find it hard to believe that there is another Big East school that has a scholarship offer on the table for Newbill at this point, which would make all of this talk about getting an exception to policy moot.
I could be wrong.
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You're plainly wrong here. There was no valid contract. Read the language associated of the letter of intent. It clearly states that the deal is binding if - and only if - the school admits the student. Marquette University did not admit DJ Newbill. Heck, even if they wanted to, they couldn't have admitted DJ Newbill. Therefore, there is no binding contract.
On top of that, MU is under no obligation to admit a prospective student - athlete or not - simply because he has submitted an application. that's the point some are missing. It doesn't matter whether he submitted an application or not. Marquette has every right to deny him admission, application and all.
Marquette has used that loophole at least twice now. Once with Saunders and now with Newbill. Although in Newbill's case it is not as clear what justification they are relying upon. Several excuses have been thrown against wall with none adhering.
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I doubt we'll ever really know unless another Big East school is willing to offer him now. I find it hard to believe that there is another Big East school that has a scholarship offer on the table for Newbill at this point, which would make all of this talk about getting an exception to policy moot.
I could be wrong.
There probably is no BE scholarship available to him now, but that doesn't mean there wasn't one in April. Maybe not, but you can't take where he ends up now to be indicative of where he would have ended up without ever signing with MU.
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Does anyone really believe that the Marquette administration would allow the basketball coach to treat a prospective student athelete in the manner suggested? No way.
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Does anyone really believe that the Marquettw administration would allow the basketball coach to treat a prospective student athelete in the manner suggested? No way.
In what manner? To allow the prospective student-athlete to sign a letter of intent to join Marquette as a full-scholarship athlete and then pull that scholarship back? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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Does anyone really believe that the Marquettw administration would allow the basketball coach to treat a prospective student athelete in the manner suggested? No way.
Did they allow it when Saunders was not admitted up against the beginning of fall semester? Did they allow it when Roseboro was cut loose mid summer? Did they allow Newbill's NLI to be revoked?
What evidence is there that the administration would not let those things happen?
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No one here has the facts nor is anyone here privy to other considerations that unknown to us and factored into the situation.
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No one here has the facts nor is anyone here privy to other considerations that unknown to us and factored into the situation.
You say that like we know nothing. We know some facts...
In what manner? To allow the prospective student-athlete to sign a letter of intent to join Marquette as a full-scholarship athlete and then pull that scholarship back? I don't think anyone is disputing that.
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I do not think that the administration would allow the basketball coach to renege on what Marquette's commitment was to Newbill. In fact, I do not think that Marquette can withdraw the NLI. I believe Newbill has to ask for his release.
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If there is no valid contract, than there is no basis for Newbill not being allowed to sign with another Big East school. The NLI should be challenged in court, because it will result in a better contract in the future. A contract that gives all the power to the schools needs to be changed.
And he may be permitted to attend another BE school.
If you read the language of the Big East transfer rules, namely section 3 under Special Notes in the document linked, a student whose NLI is declared "Null and Void" may transfer from one Big East school to another. The question is whether by him signing a release of his NLI, does that meet the standards for "null and void." I'm sure someone knows.
http://www.msnsportsnet.com/content/BigEastTransfer.pdf
What you also must understand is that no player needs to sign a NLI. Choosing not to will not prevent a player from accepting a scholarship to the school of his choice. So, I'm not sure a court would force the NCAA (a private organization free to set its own rules) to change a voluntary program like that. If any player finds the provisions of the NLI untenable, he can simply choose not to sign it.
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Bottom line is we got a bigger and almost certainly a better player who will be ready to make a major contribution the season after next. The way it happened is perhaps unfortunate. But this is big time college basketball. Buzz has to do whatever he can within the rules to put together the best team possible. He's doing just fine.
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The University cannot pull the letter of intent according the NCAA:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/wps/wcm/connect/ncaa/NCAA/Legislation%20and%20Governance/Eligibility%20and%20Recruiting/Faqs/nli_financial_aid.html
Newbill must request his release in order for Marquette to get out of the NLI.
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That is absolutely not true. Read it again. It is only after the player is admitted. MU did not admit Newbill and therefore he is not protected by NLI. Once admitted both parties are bound by the NLI.
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Does anyone really believe that the Marquette administration would allow the basketball coach to treat a prospective student athelete in the manner suggested? No way.
You meant to put that in teal, right?
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You meant to put that in teal, right?
If MU let you attend then anything is possible. I sincerely wish you nothing good.
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If MU let you attend then anything is possible. I sincerely wish you nothing good.
The personal attacks are still going strong from you, congratulations.
God Bless you. Sorry you feel that way, but that's fine. Yes, MU let me "attend" and I chose them over UC Irvine and UC San Diego, two top 50 schools (MU is in the 70's or 80's). Maybe I made a mistake, but I went somewhere that taught Catholic values, etc. I'm disheartened at what we did to a kid this week. But seeing your Catholic values rise to the top, I guess it doesn't surprise me. Peace
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The personal attacks are still going strong from you, congratulations.
God Bless you. Sorry you feel that way, but that's fine. Yes, MU let me "attend" and I chose them over UC Irvine and UC San Diego, two top 50 schools (MU is in the 70's or 80's). Maybe I made a mistake, but I went somewhere that taught Catholic values, etc. I'm disheartened at what we did to a kid this week. But seeing your Catholic values rise to the top, I guess it doesn't surprise me. Peace
I'm disheartened at what you do to our university time and time again. You're a disgraceful woman.
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I'm disheartened at what you do to our university time and time again. You're a disgraceful woman.
I've done more good for the university than most on this board through working there, donations, etc. I thought the university taught us to challenge things, and that includes the actions of the university itself. If you want 24 hour yes men, you're not going to get it from me. Goodnight Bauer.
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I've done more good for the university than most on this board through working there, donations, etc. I thought the university taught us to challenge things, and that includes the actions of the university itself. If you want 24 hour yes men, you're not going to get it from me. Goodnight Bauer.
Nice job on changing your post - but you missed a key component.
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No, didn't miss a thing. Good night, I wouldn't want you cavorting with someone you believe hates Marquette, etc, etc. It might make you disheartened.
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Why don't you just stop the arguments and personal attacks
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Someone please lock this thread and extend some early vacations!
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The personal attacks are still going strong from you, congratulations.
God Bless you. Sorry you feel that way, but that's fine. Yes, MU let me "attend" and I chose them over UC Irvine and UC San Diego, two top 50 schools (MU is in the 70's or 80's). Maybe I made a mistake, but I went somewhere that taught Catholic values, etc. I'm disheartened at what we did to a kid this week. But seeing your Catholic values rise to the top, I guess it doesn't surprise me. Peace
At least he didn't imply that you are going to hell, as he did to me in another thread.
The criteria for getting into heaven is pretty strict if suggesting that someone may have done a poor job of communicating or potentially made an error in judgement gets you sent to hell. ?-(
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That is absolutely not true. Read it again. It is only after the player is admitted. MU did not admit Newbill and therefore he is not protected by NLI. Once admitted both parties are bound by the NLI.
Which brings us back to the question of why Newbill did not submit his application? More importantly, if he really wants to come to Marquette and he can still submit his application, why has he not done so? Again, I do not think the University would reject his application just to please the basketball coach.
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Doesn't make sense that Newbill wouldn't have sent in his application. The guy's future is on the line-----in that case no one in his right mind would delay sending in his application----he was very excited about MU when he signed in January. How in the world could a guy get up in the morning day after day knowing his future is twisting in the wind?
After he signed he had an outstanding season, best player in Pennsylvania in Div AA (PA's second best division). A late bloomer-----those guys usually have plenty of upside.
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After he signed he had an outstanding season, best player in Pennsylvania in Div AA (PA's second best division). A late bloomer-----those guys usually have plenty of upside.
It's actually the 3rd division. Pennsylvania has 4 divisions, from largest to smallest: AAAA, AAA, AA, A
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After he signed he had an outstanding season, best player in Pennsylvania in Div AA (PA's second best division). A late bloomer-----those guys usually have plenty of upside.
We certainly had luck with the last late-bloomer we took a flyer on. But regardless, I think all this thread is doing is devolving into spite and anger.
At the end of the day, we are all Marquette fans. We may disagree on the handling of the Newbill situation, but it really doesn't call for any attacks on each other. Isn't that what we have Badger fans around for? Let's let the abuse come from them and not from ourselves. What happened has saddened some, and hopefully we won't have to discuss any future incidents like this because for better or worse, I'm sure Buzz knows there is some criticism from some die-hard fans.
So why not just end these arguments, close the pertinent threads, and move on? The bottom line is that the DJ situation didn't sit well with some, but arguing about it further will only serve to drive us further apart, when this site should be here to bring us closer together. No one is going to change anyone's opinion. DJ is gone, wish him the best, and welcome to the fold Jamil Wilson. I really think that should be the end of it.
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I've done more good for the university than most on this board through working there, donations, etc. I thought the university taught us to challenge things, and that includes the actions of the university itself. If you want 24 hour yes men, you're not going to get it from me. Goodnight Bauer.
Chico's new nickname - FIGJAM!
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At least he didn't imply that you are going to hell, as he did to me in another thread.
The criteria for getting into heaven is pretty strict if suggesting that someone may have done a poor job of communicating or potentially made an error in judgement gets you sent to hell. ?-(
LOL. Yeah, true. Though I think I was told to go to hell long ago.
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Which brings us back to the question of why Newbill did not submit his application? More importantly, if he really wants to come to Marquette and he can still submit his application, why has he not done so? Again, I do not think the University would reject his application just to please the basketball coach.
Why, you don't think they did that with Saunders to some extent?
And, what if Newbill's coaches are telling the truth, and Monarch told him no rush, take your sweet time, "get that essay right"
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Chico's new nickname - FIGJAM!
Keep them coming....look, I didn't make the accusation, but I'm allowed to defend myself, which I did. But keep the personal attacks coming. You've obviously ignored Hilltopper's request to stop them.
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I do not think the University would reject his application just to please the basketball coach.
But in a different situation, I could see them accepting his application just to please the athletics department.
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But in a different situation, I could see them accepting his application just to please the athletics department.
Absolutely. That's the vast grey area of college athletics now.
I don't think we really handled this situation very well, but I laugh at the people who are suddenly shocked that schools treat basketball and football recruits like commodities rather than average students.
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Keep them coming....look, I didn't make the accusation, but I'm allowed to defend myself, which I did. But keep the personal attacks coming. You've obviously ignored Hilltopper's request to stop them.
Actually, I was just agreeing with your posts. *shrug*
And how in the heck do you know what I might have contributed to Marquette? Awful arrogant of you to assume that you are better than the rest of us on this board. Kind of a back handed personal attack, if you ask me.
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Why, you don't think they did that with Saunders to some extent?
And, what if Newbill's coaches are telling the truth, and Monarch told him no rush, take your sweet time, "get that essay right"
LOL. To some extent? Well, at least you've moved a smidge in the direction of what's an established fact. Baby steps.