Big East Non Conference Results

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Virginia 63- Providence 52

Better than I thought it would be.

[Herman Cain]

Better than I thought it would be.

Providence is better than expected. Cooley has the team playing together in a cohesive way. They may be competing for the middle third of Big East instead of bottom third as many predicted.

[GoldenDieners32]

Providence is better than expected. Cooley has the team playing together in a cohesive way. They may be competing for the middle third of Big East instead of bottom third as many predicted.

is Khalif young playing good?

[Herman Cain]

is Khalif young playing good?

He needs to build his confidence against the weaker teams. He is getting adjusted to the pace of college play.

[Loose Cannon]

He needs to build his confidence against the weaker teams. He is getting adjusted to the pace of college play.

Is that a Yes?

[brewcity77]

Is that a Yes?

He really isn't playing much, so it's hard to say. He had one big game against St. Francis, 16 points, 6 rebounds in 28 minutes, but hasn't had any other games where he played more than 13 minutes or scored more than 2 points. He is playing like a three-star true freshman. Wouldn't call it good, but there's no real shame in that.

[Loose Cannon]

He really isn't playing much, so it's hard to say. He had one big game against St. Francis, 16 points, 6 rebounds in 28 minutes, but hasn't had any other games where he played more than 13 minutes or scored more than 2 points. He is playing like a three-star true freshman. Wouldn't call it good, but there's no real shame in that.

Thanks.

[Jay Bee]

Is that a Yes?

Poor shooting, weak DReb'ing, tons of turnovers. Not a great start.

[Loose Cannon]

Poor shooting, weak DReb'ing, tons of turnovers. Not a great start.

Thanks, I wonder if MUFNY has the same view.

[brewcity77]

Georgetown blowing out Howard early 22-7. Bizarre how they lost to a cupcake (Arkansas State) and beat Oregon. Lots of mid-level cupcakes the rest of the way along with La Salle on a neutral court and Syracuse away. No idea what to really make of the Hoyas yet, other than JTIII seems to have lost it.

[Herman Cain]

Thanks, I wonder if MUFNY has the same view.

I thought Brew stayed it well. He has to adjust to pace of play.

[DFW HOYA]

Georgetown blowing out Howard early 22-7. Bizarre how they lost to a cupcake (Arkansas State) and beat Oregon. Lots of mid-level cupcakes the rest of the way along with La Salle on a neutral court and Syracuse away. No idea what to really make of the Hoyas yet, other than JTIII seems to have lost it.

Georgetown up eight, 6:21 to play. 18 turnovers.

Hoyas win by 13, 85-72.

[Herman Cain]

Georgetown up eight, 6:21 to play. 18 turnovers.

Hoyas win by 13, 85-72.

Hoyas needed a win

[Herman Cain]

Seton Hall has individual talent but they have no offensive concept at all. Very sloppy team. Losing by 11 to Stanford.

I think Seton Hall may be more of a middle tier team in the Big East than an upper tier team.

I think the differential between MU and Seton Hall will be much less this year.

[LloydsLegs]

Butler's win over AZ (and Vandy  ) puts them at 18. 

Creighton at 10, X at 8 and Nova at 2. 

Top of conference looking great early.

[Herman Cain]

Butler beat Utah on the road.

[brewcity77]

Butler's win over AZ (and Vandy  ) puts them at 18. 

Creighton at 10, X at 8 and Nova at 2. 

Top of conference looking great early.

At this point, all four of those teams are looking like legitimate Final Four contenders. Villanova looks like Villanova. Creighton has some nice wins, a 7-foot freshman playing like a one-and-done, and one of the best starting backcourts in the country. Butler...I'm just more impressed every year by Chris Holtmann. And Xavier is probably the least impressive of the undefeated teams.

The saving grace for us is the bottom of the conference is far less impressive. Georgetown is bad, Seton Hall seems to have reverted to Kevin Willard coaching without Whitehead. DePaul and St John's, still not there yet. If the league gets 5 bids, I like our chances. If we get 6, I love them.

[MUBigDance]

Quick guess that BE ends up with an 80% nonconf winning pct.

Right now we're a bit less than 75% eyeballing it.

It's optimistic but I think that's possible. I wonder what the BE nc pcts were previous years. Guess I could figure it out.

[bilsu]

At this point, all four of those teams are looking like legitimate Final Four contenders. Villanova looks like Villanova. Creighton has some nice wins, a 7-foot freshman playing like a one-and-done, and one of the best starting backcourts in the country. Butler...I'm just more impressed every year by Chris Holtmann. And Xavier is probably the least impressive of the undefeated teams.

The saving grace for us is the bottom of the conference is far less impressive. Georgetown is bad, Seton Hall seems to have reverted to Kevin Willard coaching without Whitehead. DePaul and St John's, still not there yet. If the league gets 5 bids, I like our chances. If we get 6, I love them.

The top 4 teams may just beat up on the bottom 6 teams so bad that the league may only get four bids. A team that does not go at least 2-6 against the top 4 is not likely to get a bid and 2-6 might not be good enough. MU went 2-6 last year and was not close to a bid. 3-5 against the top four might be the minimum needed. MU needs to win at home against the top 4.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

The top 4 teams may just beat up on the bottom 6 teams so bad that the league may only get four bids. A team that does not go at least 2-6 against the top 4 is not likely to get a bid and 2-6 might not be good enough. MU went 2-6 last year and was not close to a bid. 3-5 against the top four might be the minimum needed. MU needs to win at home against the top 4.

This isn't how the ncaa tournament works.

[brewcity77]

This isn't how the ncaa tournament works.

It isn't, exactly, but I think there's validity in the point. There are a total of 90 wins in the league. If the top 4 teams average 11-1 against the bottom of the league, they would end up with 56 of those wins (44 against the bottom, 12 against each other).

That leaves only 34 combined league wins for the other 6 teams. If one or two stand out, we could be a six bid league. But if none of those 6 teams wins more than 7 league games (say 7-11, 7-11, 6-12, 6-12, 5-13, 3-15) they likely all get left out. This is why the best thing for the league is to have 6-7 very good teams and 3-4 pretty bad ones. In order to maximize bids, you need teams like DePaul, St. John's, and another one or two to be really bad. If your three worst teams combine for 7-8 wins, it makes it much easier for the top of the league to do enough to get into the Tournament.

Someone has to lose.

[MU82]

In order to maximize bids, you need teams like DePaul, St. John's, and another one or two to be really bad.

I'm good with this. As long as the Warriors aren't one of the "another one or two"!

[The Equalizer]

The top 4 teams may just beat up on the bottom 6 teams so bad that the league may only get four bids. A team that does not go at least 2-6 against the top 4 is not likely to get a bid and 2-6 might not be good enough. MU went 2-6 last year and was not close to a bid. 3-5 against the top four might be the minimum needed. MU needs to win at home against the top 4.

I would be shocked if a 12-6 Big East team does not make the NCAA tournament. 

The challenge is not losing to the bottom five although I would be nearly as shocked if an 11-7 team wth a 2-6 top four/9-1 bottom 10 record doesn't make it.

[wadesworld]

10-8 will just about guarantee any BE team to be in the NCAA Tournament with this BE.

[Herman Cain]

Big East 45-15

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