MU Out Of ESPN's Way Too Early Top 25 Update

[Not A Serious Person]

May 2 Update ... from #2 to out of the top 25 ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26647277/unc-big-mover-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20

Also, based on the BE rankings, they are suggesting MU is now #6 in the BE (from #1)

4. Villanova Wildcats
11. Seton Hall Pirates
24. Creighton Bluejays

Next in line:
USC (previous: next in line)
Colorado (previous: unranked)
Xavier (previous: unranked)
Georgetown (previous: next in line)
Marquette (previous: No. 2)

[#UnleashSean]

Oooooof

[mu_hilltopper]

Sixth place finish in the Big East.   I'm headed for Arby's, anyone need anything?

[tower912]

Extra sacks for people here who need them.

[Lennys Tap]

St Mary's projected to be non competitive again at #21.

[Cheeks]

St Mary's projected to be non competitive again at #21.

Big Foot, Lochness Monster and the Pressure applied to Sam Hauser at Georgetown will be featured tonight in Search Of, hosted by Leonard Nimoy.

[Marcus92]

We'll see if Wojo brings anyone else in before the start of the season. But we need this team to be hungry, playing with a chip on their shoulder.

[cheese ball chaser]

Good, this team sucks when the expectations are high

[Jon]

Extra sacks for people here who need them.

A lot of guys here need their first sack...

[withoutbias]

A lot of guys here need their first sack...

first and foremost the pilots of the board.

[Jon]

We'll see if Wojo brings anyone else in before the start of the season. But we need this team to be hungry, playing with a chip on their shoulder.

Unfortunately, this team has been gutted by the loss of two top 50 starters.

Reading through the comments on how Marquette is better without the Hausers is laughable. Fact is, we are diminished in terms of talent, capablility, and potential.

All of the self-proclaimed experts here are delusional to suggest that we are actually better today than we were a month ago.

The Hausers didn't leave because of touches; they left because of Wojo.

Falling from a Top 5 ranking to out of the poll completely demonstrates the impact of Sam and Joey hitting the bricks. Frankly, the poll is the best evidence yet of just how devastating is their loss.

[withoutbias]

Unfortunately, this team has been gutted by the loss of two top 50 starters.

Reading through the comments on how Marquette is better without the Hausers is laughable. Fact is, we are diminished in terms of talent, capablility, and potential.

All of the self-proclaimed experts here are delusional to suggest that we are actually better today than we were a month ago.

The Hausers didn't leave because of touches; they left because of Wojo.

Falling from a Top 5 ranking to out of the poll completely demonstrates the impact of Sam and Joey hitting the bricks. Frankly, the poll is the best evidence yet of just how devastating is their loss.

gutted?  lol.  i think you need a better grasp on the english language.

i don't think many, if any, are suggesting we are better off without the hausers.  maybe 1 poster has.  i think many are suggesting we should still be just as good, or even better, than we were last season.  theres a big difference in the two statements.

the hausers left because of wojo...but the hausers wouldve been back, with wojo, had markus left.  the math doesnt add up here.

preseason rankings...ever important.

[bilsu]

We are a better team with happy Hausers.
We are also a better team without unhappy Hausers.
Unhappy people generally blame others for their unhappiness. Usually it is their fault they are unhappy.

[warriorchick]

Yay, we're back under the radar!

[Jon]

the hausers left because of wojo...but the hausers wouldve been back, with wojo, had markus left.  the math doesnt add up here.

preseason rankings...ever important.

You are missing some pieces to the story. They left because of Wojo. And their reason for leaving was applauded by their teammates.

There was a major mutiny within that locker room. Without Stan at least 3 major contributors were also out the door. And it had nothing to do with Markus.

[Boozemon Barro]

Creighton getting a lot of love for a team that missed the tournament and loses their best player. They have one player over 6'7" on their team next year and he's always injured.

[Jon]

Creighton getting a lot of love for a team that missed the tournament and loses their best player. They have one player over 6'7" on their team next year and he's always injured.

A genuine tribute to the efficacy of coaching excellence.

[Boozemon Barro]

A genuine tribute to the efficacy of coaching excellence.

McDermott is most definitely not an excellent coach.

[Benny B]

Unfortunately, this team has been gutted by the loss of two top 50 starters.

Is that based on a static look or season average?  Because if you look at their PPG/TRPG/3P% lines the last 7 games, there's clearly a drop-off.

Sam
Season - 14.9 / 7.2 / .402
Last 7 -  13.7 / 8.3 / .388 

Joey
Season - 9.7 / 5.3 / .425
Last 7 -  8.4 / 5.0 / .318

Either way, at best Sam may be borderline top 50 candidate next year, but Joey still has a way to go to earn that distinction.

[Marcus92]

You are missing some pieces to the story. They left because of Wojo. And their reason for leaving was applauded by their teammates.

There was a major mutiny within that locker room. Without Stan at least 3 major contributors were also out the door. And it had nothing to do with Markus.

This makes no sense to me. Stan isn't the head of the program. Wojo is. Wojo brought in all the assistant coaches (including Stan). Wojo sets the direction and the tone. Is Stan saying something that Wojo wouldn't? I doubt it. Why would Stan even stay at MU if the issues with Wojo and the players are that severe?

[Cheeks]

the hausers left because of wojo...but the hausers wouldve been back, with wojo, had markus left.  the math doesnt add up here.

Yup.  This is key and breaks the logic chain for some that want to 90% to 100% put it on the coach.  To them, he is the all hated and responsible for this, but they would have stayed had Markus gone and apparently “tolerated” his coaching.  Quite humorous

[wadesworld]

A genuine tribute to the efficacy of coaching excellence.

Lol.  Well, if anybody didn't already know Keefer has no idea what he's talking about, there is no doubt about it now.

[tower912]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

A different version.   

[wadesworld]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

A different version.   

In direct contradiction to Keefer saying the Hausers were applauded by the rest of the team.  Nobody else has announced a transfer...tough to decide if Keefer or the 247 poster is correct...

[tower912]

There is always more than one perspective.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Reading through the comments on how Marquette is better without the Hausers is laughable. Fact is, we are diminished in terms of talent, capablility, and potential.

All of the self-proclaimed experts here are delusional to suggest that we are actually better today than we were a month ago.

I think I've seen exactly one poster suggest that we are better without the Hausers and I don't think anyone would call the poster an expert on anything.

All of the self-proclaimed experts here are delusional to suggest that we are actually better today than we were a month ago.

The Hausers didn't leave because of touches; they left because of Wojo.

You are missing some pieces to the story. They left because of Wojo.

We are all aware that you have heard insight fifth hand that says that this is all on Wojo. The fact that you take it as gospel and don't list to any other insight is interesting.

And their reason for leaving was applauded by their teammates.

A lot of what you post has elements of truth. This is categorical horse manure and I suspect you know it.

[Lighthouse 84]

In direct contradiction to Keefer saying the Hausers were applauded by the rest of the team.  Nobody else has announced a transfer...tough to decide if Keefer or the 247 poster is correct...

And a version that is completely plausible.  I could envision Jamal transferring and possibly Sacar (as a grad transfer) if Joey came back. 

[Jockey]

Falling from a Top 5 ranking to out of the poll completely demonstrates the impact of Sam and Joey hitting the bricks. Frankly, the poll is the best evidence yet of just how devastating is their loss.

One of the more foolish comments recently on Scoop.

Even us dummies are smart enough to realize that opinion is NOT evidence. If their loss is devastating, we will only have “evidence” after we have seen the team perform.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

A different version.   

I think there are likely elements of truth here as well but not the whole story. Truth is likely somewhere inbetween.

The reality is, no one here knows the gospel truth. The best we can hope for is third, fourth, or fifth hand information which during the game of telephone has been transformed from information to insight, fact to perspective. Everyone has an agenda or a bias and those change the narrative with every retelling.

[Marcus92]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

A different version.

Thanks for posting. Interesting discussion throughout. The post by hackleft makes more sense to me than anything else I've read. Hopefully Wojo, Markus and the rest of the players take some valuable lessons from all this. The most trying situations are when you truly learn what teamwork and leadership are all about.

[Billy Hoyle]

May 2 Update ... from #2 to out of the top 25 ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26647277/unc-big-mover-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20

Also, based on the BE rankings, they are suggesting MU is now #6 in the BE (from #1)

4. Villanova Wildcats
11. Seton Hall Pirates
24. Creighton Bluejays

Next in line:
USC (previous: next in line)
Colorado (previous: unranked)
Xavier (previous: unranked)
Georgetown (previous: next in line)
Marquette (previous: No. 2)

Well damn, we might as well just cancel the season. I mean, if we're not ranked in a poll 6 months out without the roster finalized what chance do we have?

[Herman Cain]

I am very keen on the prospects for the team in the up coming season.  We are going to be a very athletic team with one elite shooter. The team chemistry will be outstanding.  . Our record may not reflect the strength of the team, as the Big East is going to be improved. I believe we can get to double digit non conference wins and post double digit conference . Although, it may be hard to surpass 10 in each category. Should be able to get two wins in the BET so looking at a 22 win type season going into tournament play. I think this team can finally be the team under the current management that goes to the second weekend of the tournament .

[bilsu]

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/Board/104085/Contents/The-Letter-131282124/?Page=3

A different version.   

This changes my opinion. I was blaming Sam and his dad and thinking Joey was just a follower. Now, it seems that Joey was the problem and the father pushed Sam to follow Joey.

[BrewCity83]

This changes my opinion. I was blaming Sam and his dad and thinking Joey was just a follower. Now, it seems that Joey was the problem and the father pushed Sam to follow Joey.

Yes!  A new angle that makes so much more sense.  I agree with this analysis.

[79Warrior]

Thanks for posting. Interesting discussion throughout. The post by hackleft makes more sense to me than anything else I've read. Hopefully Wojo, Markus and the rest of the players take some valuable lessons from all this. The most trying situations are when you truly learn what teamwork and leadership are all about.

Yep. His post is pretty accurate from what I have heard from my alumn board friends.

[Lighthouse 84]

So, supposedly, Markus (all American)  tells Joey (freshman) that he needs to step it up and they need more from him. With Sammy’s approval.   Joey pouts and then wants to transfer. Sammy goes with him.

If true, buh-bye.   Next up. We got this.

[tower912]

Yep. His post is pretty accurate from what I have heard from my alumn board friends.

Please elaborate.

[willie warrior]

May 2 Update ... from #2 to out of the top 25 ...

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26647277/unc-big-mover-way-too-early-top-25-2019-20

Also, based on the BE rankings, they are suggesting MU is now #6 in the BE (from #1)

4. Villanova Wildcats
11. Seton Hall Pirates
24. Creighton Bluejays

Next in line:
USC (previous: next in line)
Colorado (previous: unranked)
Xavier (previous: unranked)
Georgetown (previous: next in line)
Marquette (previous: No. 2)

But wait...many apologists her have said we will still be very good, and we will have addition by subtraction. Obviously ESPN has it wrong.

[Lennys Tap]

I think there are likely elements of truth here as well but not the whole story. Truth is likely somewhere inbetween.

The reality is, no one here knows the gospel truth. The best we can hope for is third, fourth, or fifth hand information which during the game of telephone has been transformed from information to insight, fact to perspective. Everyone has an agenda or a bias and those change the narrative with every retelling.

Totally accurate.

[79Warrior]

Please elaborate.

The narrative in his post was corroborated by two folks I know on the alumni board. There are other factors they declined to talk about but the post itself was not off target.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

So, supposedly, Markus (all American)  tells Joey (freshman) that he needs to step it up and they need more from him. With Sammy’s approval.   Joey pouts and then wants to transfer. Sammy goes with him.

If true, buh-bye.   Next up. We got this.

Couldn't take criticism?
Bye.

[Newsdreams]

Couldn't take criticism?
Bye.

I notice in one of the last conference games, don't recall which, it was close at the end and there was a call against Joey and he started getting agitated and was about to go up to the ref. Markus sort of stepped in and looked like he asked him to calm down and it looked like Joey was about to shove Markus away. I'm sure if Joey had gotten near the ref he would have been teed up.

[Marcus92]

Yay, we're back under the radar!

LOL