Thankfully, the "news" outlet that pay $787 million for defaming Dominion voting machines set you straight on the alternative facts.

Not directed at MU82.

I am shocked. Truly shocked at the Jan 6 alternate reality. Sad sad day for America. The most distressing thing for American politics in my lifetime. Nothing comes close.

So, what if everyone ignored all the propaganda stations and instead studied bias and why we are illogical and so easily nudged and influenced into an alternate reality. And apply this knowledge to the self. This can apply to both extremes both parties. We all can do better and shut off the crazy and be careful who has sway (and for some control of) our minds, over what we think.

And for perspective, I am a former card carrying republican who has attended conventions as a delegate. I am no longer a republican. Not trumps new republican party. Jan 6th was a horror show. Nothing less. To deny it is, well I’ll stop there. The psychology on why people need to deny and over identification with a party or tribe is fascinating. Let’s leave it there.

I continue to be surprised by the general thoughts on perceived ev issues. It is a valued learning experience coming here for me. I’m not on any other social media so it’s good to get others views, accurate or not. EV’s are not really a topic of discussion in my life except for here. I work 6 or 7 days a week and have a family life, so little off the cuff interaction with others that is not work related.

I never think about ev range or how many miles of range I have on my ev, unless it is one of the 6 to 10 times a year I’m taking a long trip. Or, when I’ll be on a medium sized trip and it is really cold all day - very cold weather is still a place for battery improvement.  Early on with an ev I would check range constantly. But, one adapts and I don’t even pay attention on daily use - 350 days out of the year I have no clue what the range is, not an issue.

On trips, the car tells me when and where to stop to charge (and sometimes I modify my charge stop to a different location depending on lunch or bathroom breaks).
When I drive my wife’s hybrid I have to remind myself to check  the gas level. I’m so used to just driving an ev not paying attention to charge level.

 Plus, with an ev you literally have no expenses that you’d have with an engine. None. No belt changes, oil, failed engine parts, radiators, the list goes on etc etc., ev’s have such a lower cost of ownership. At least with a Tesla it’s just a new cabin filter every two years, add window washer fluid, tires. Brake pads and breaks rarely get used, so replacement of pads will likely be because of age after 10 years or well over 150k. Similar to good hybrids but even less brake usage and the regen is more powerful. I never had to replace break pads on hybrid Toyotas under 125k miles.

 I’m also surprised by the fear of hybrid battery failure. Again this tech has come a long way and for Toyota at least a non issue.

The thought of an ev (at least Tesla) battery failure short of 250k miles is not a concern at all. Not with 3 or Y teslas. 2013 or so model S had some issues with high mileage but those were fixed long ago.  For me should be well over 300k+ long after the car has little value. Yes, something can go wrong but no different than a  gas guzzler I had that needed a new engine tear down a rebuild at under 100k. At least the ev has a battery engine warranty of, I think 8 years 120k.  I’d think this is also true for Hyundai and Kia. I’d be afraid of other manufacturers at this point. Nissan had bad battery tech and software in the past for a company in the game so long. I suspect they have improved both, but I haven’t researched it.

Three, I’m surprised by the gas crowd who are anti ev. One would logically think they’d like other people driving non-gas cars to keep gas prices down. More hybrids and ev’s on the road have to help keep pressure off gas prices and help prevent opec from deciding to drive up prices for oil as it would convert more drivers to ev’s and hybrids. And once you go ev, I doubt many go back. I know I won’t. Maybe I’m an outlier but the driving experience is so much better.

Finallly, and I’ve never thought this before, Tesla is close on full self drive. The new AI trained software is actually amazing. A high jump from even 6 months ago. I actually can see them pulling this off within the next 2 years, unless they have peaked and the final 10% is too hard to close on. I’ve always thought it is way, way off. No longer.  It appears to me it is going to be here soon.  Faster than I expected by many years; a decade plus. I thought chip tech on board cars was way off and cloud tech chips would have to be in the car.  Apparently that’s not the case. People just can’t freak out nationally and globally when there are self drive accidents, logic and safety should logically be the guide comparing it versus human driver error and accidents. Logic should rule the mind, but… we know it will get challenged and one computer driving car death probably will get more attention than 10,000 plus humans killing others. Can people be logical?  I think so, but maybe knowing people are not logical beings, I hope to much.  I’ll be looking at accident rates and serious accident rates and deaths per million miles driven by computers versus humans. It will data driven not emotional.

Goo-

It’s become a political issue.  Your points are smart, simple and logical.  I’ve been following the technology closely for a long time for investment purposes.  It boggles the mind we still have some who will be a slave to ICE for simply political reasons.

The self-drive vehicles are much closer than we think.  We’ve been trending this way for close to a decade.  It’ll be a political fight as well. 

Automakers are well-aware of the future as well.  Future generations will be driving EV’s or being driven by EV’s.  The road to progress is often blocked by special interests and politics but on this, automakers and smart people know the future and it isn’t ICE

I continue to be surprised by the general thoughts on perceived ev issues. It is a valued learning experience coming here for me. I’m not on any other social media so it’s good to get others views, accurate or not. EV’s are not really a topic of discussion in my life except for here. I work 6 or 7 days a week and have a family life, so little off the cuff interaction with others that is not work related.

I never think about ev range or how many miles of range I have on my ev, unless it is one of the 6 to 10 times a year I’m taking a long trip. Or, when I’ll be on a medium sized trip and it is really cold all day - very cold weather is still a place for battery improvement.  Early on with an ev I would check range constantly. But, one adapts and I don’t even pay attention on daily use - 350 days out of the year I have no clue what the range is, not an issue.

On trips, the car tells me when and where to stop to charge (and sometimes I modify my charge stop to a different location depending on lunch or bathroom breaks).
When I drive my wife’s hybrid I have to remind myself to check  the gas level. I’m so used to just driving an ev not paying attention to charge level.

 Plus, with an ev you literally have no expenses that you’d have with an engine. None. No belt changes, oil, failed engine parts, radiators, the list goes on etc etc., ev’s have such a lower cost of ownership. At least with a Tesla it’s just a new cabin filter every two years, add window washer fluid, tires. Brake pads and breaks rarely get used, so replacement of pads will likely be because of age after 10 years or well over 150k. Similar to good hybrids but even less brake usage and the regen is more powerful. I never had to replace break pads on hybrid Toyotas under 125k miles.

 I’m also surprised by the fear of hybrid battery failure. Again this tech has come a long way and for Toyota at least a non issue.

The thought of an ev (at least Tesla) battery failure short of 250k miles is not a concern at all. Not with 3 or Y teslas. 2013 or so model S had some issues with high mileage but those were fixed long ago.  For me should be well over 300k+ long after the car has little value. Yes, something can go wrong but no different than a  gas guzzler I had that needed a new engine tear down a rebuild at under 100k. At least the ev has a battery engine warranty of, I think 8 years 120k.  I’d think this is also true for Hyundai and Kia. I’d be afraid of other manufacturers at this point. Nissan had bad battery tech and software in the past for a company in the game so long. I suspect they have improved both, but I haven’t researched it.

Three, I’m surprised by the gas crowd who are anti ev. One would logically think they’d like other people driving non-gas cars to keep gas prices down. More hybrids and ev’s on the road have to help keep pressure off gas prices and help prevent opec from deciding to drive up prices for oil as it would convert more drivers to ev’s and hybrids. And once you go ev, I doubt many go back. I know I won’t. Maybe I’m an outlier but the driving experience is so much better.

Finallly, and I’ve never thought this before, Tesla is close on full self drive. The new AI trained software is actually amazing. A high jump from even 6 months ago. I actually can see them pulling this off within the next 2 years, unless they have peaked and the final 10% is too hard to close on. I’ve always thought it is way, way off. No longer.  It appears to me it is going to be here soon.  Faster than I expected by many years; a decade plus. I thought chip tech on board cars was way off and cloud tech chips would have to be in the car.  Apparently that’s not the case. People just can’t freak out nationally and globally when there are self drive accidents, logic and safety should logically be the guide comparing it versus human driver error and accidents. Logic should rule the mind, but… we know it will get challenged and one computer driving car death probably will get more attention than 10,000 plus humans killing others. Can people be logical?  I think so, but maybe knowing people are not logical beings, I hope to much.  I’ll be looking at accident rates and serious accident rates and deaths per million miles driven by computers versus humans. It will data driven not emotional.

I saw a variation of this yesterday.   Rory with a divorce, Scottie with a car wreck.   Proving once again that it takes at least two of the current generation of superstars to equal one Tiger.

Well played 

Sounds like the musings of a turn back the clock reactionary.

100%

Hopeless golf romantic stuck in the world of High Noon drinking blowhards