Hydroxychloroquinine updates (and other potential treatments)

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Ah yes, the old experts like Tony Fauci who in February proudly proclaimed the risk of Coronavirus in the US is "miniscule" and laughed at needing masks(and no that wasn't so there were enough for front line workers, he said flat out we didn't need them". Or in March when he did an interview and said the response of the Trump administration was "impressive". So now some radical lefts here are on the spot...and you don't get to have it both ways, which is it?? Trump admin failed when the EXPERT himself said in February no masks and risk miniscule(yet everyone blasts Trump because if he would have listened from the beginning, listened to who?? He WAS listening to Fauci then, that's what you idiots won't admit)?? Or...does Fauci have to bear significant responsibility for the disaster of a response(as so many claim)??

No, you don't get to play the "the science changes yadda yadda yadda card either". EVERYONE rails on him for not responding properly from the BEGINNING when the "expert" himself said it was nothing to worry about. So that's what we are using, from the beginning of this thing.

For the record, The WHO also tweeted out in February that Chinese scientists found no proof of human to human transmission.

So?? What do you radical left sycophants say?? This spin should be fantastic.

If you don't understand that what we know about a novel coronavirus and how it spreads can change, and continue to take quotes out of context, you aren't really interested in an honest discussion or to have your questions answered.  Guru, yesterday's hydroxy episode shows you are easilly manipulated.  You don't take time to research on your own.  You let largely right wing social media do your thinking for you. There is really no use to you being here if all you're going to do is parrot talking points and make EVERYTHING political.

Regardless, what I was talking about was how we should have opened the economy up with more care a couple of months ago.  We would be in a much better position had we done so.  We should have used this as an opportunity to have a shared sense of purpose and national unity.  But we didn't.  I mean, we started to, but then it just broke down into the usual nonsense.

That's what other countries have done.  Countries that have less resources than ours.  Countries lead by both governments both on the left and the right.  I mean, there are developing countries in Africa handling this better than we are.  (You may have heard them referred to as "sh*thole countries" by others in the past.)  So I am not suggesting extreme solutions that are out of the box here.  I am suggesting common sense, science oriented, proven ways to mitigate.  That's not a "radical left" point of view.  That's common sense.

But we haven't chosen that route.  We have decided that science be damned, we are just going to do whatever we want.  And it's not working.  That's why the economy stinks...that's why we are debating whether or not schools should be back in person...that's why we may not have college basketball this winter.  We really have only ourselves to blame.  The roadmap was right there, but we decided to off road it and now we are lost and hoping for a miracle.

[Coleman]

Immanuel has been a vocal supporter of Trump on social media since 2016, and used Facebook and Twitter to spread conspiracy theories, including that the coronavirus was manufactured in China. She also operates the religious organization “Fire Power Ministries” from her Houston clinic, where she posts videos expressing extreme beliefs, including falsely attributing medical issues such as miscarriage, gynecological problems and impotence as stemming from spiritual possession by demon spirits.

[tower912]

And dreams about sex with demons.   

The fact that this person became a poster child for Hydroxy and right wing conspiracy theorists....   and that to point out her shortcomings as a reliable source makes you radical left to some people....       all we really need to know about the divide in this country.     


In no other first world country would she be taken seriously in any numbers beyond the flat earthers.   

But America continues to have a large number of quack addicts.

[Galway Eagle]

And dreams about sex with demons.   

The fact that this person became a poster child for Hydroxy and right wing conspiracy theorists....   and that to point out her shortcomings as a reliable source makes you radical left to some people....       all we really need to know about the divide in this country.     


In no other first world country would she be taken seriously in any numbers beyond the flat earthers.   

But America continues to have a large number of quack addicts.

See this is an example of just shutting down right wing beliefs because it doesn't fit their "science" narrative. Who is to tell a doctor that serious medical issues aren't from sleep sex with demons? Stop censoring deeply held conservative beliefs.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

(I moved from the other thread.)

Another treatment drug advancing.  I found in today's paper.
https://digital.olivesoftware.com/Olive/ODN/NewHavenRegister/Default.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Rothberg

BIOTECHNOLOGY
State firm’s COVID-19 treatment advances
By Luther Turmelle

Contributed photo
Jonathan Rothberg is co-founder of AI Therapeutics, a Guilford-based company that is developing a treatment for COVID-19.

GUILFORD — A local pharmaceutical company developing a treatment for COVID-19 patients is entering Phase II of its efforts to get the drug approved by the federal Food and Drug Administration.

AI Therapeutics is working with Yale University to conduct the Phase II study on newly diagnosed COVID-19 patients. The study will evaluate the safety, tolerability and efficacy of its drug candidate, LAM-002A, also known as apilimod.

In Phase II studies, researchers administer the drug candidate to a group of patients with the disease or condition for which it is being developed.

These studies typically involve a few hundred patients, according to FDA officials, and aren’t large enough to show whether the drug will be beneficial. AI Therapeutics’ Phase II study will enroll up to 142 patients.

The drug was proven safe in previous trials involving more than 700 patients for treatment of autoimmune diseases and follicular lymphoma, according to a press release from Yale University. The FDA has given the drug fast-track status and has designated it an orphan drug for treatment of lymphoma.

LAM-002A has been shown in several studies to interfere with the entry and trafficking of the SARS-CoV-2 virus in cells, according to company officials. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus responsible for COVID-19.

AI Therapeutics develops drug candidates through a proprietary artificial intelligence algorithm for matching drugs to new indications.

Jonathan Rothberg, AI Therapeutics’ co-founder and a member of the company’s board of directors, said the company’s employees are doing all they can “to make sure our drug, LAM-002, has the best shot to help (treat the disease).”

“Working with Yale is the perfect place to start,” said Rothberg, who also is an adjunct professor of genetics at the university. He is best known in the Connecticut business community as having created nine companies, including CuraGen Corp.

“LAM-002A holds promise to be a powerful new therapy for COVID-19 patients to prevent progression of disease, hopefully avoiding the need for hospitalization,” said Murat Gunel, professor of neurosurgery and professor of genetics and neuroscience at Yale. Gunel is AI Therapeutics’ chief science adviser and has a financial interest in the company.

Gunel said if the trial is successful, it could be expanded to assess whether it would help prevent someone who is exposed to the coronavirus from coming down with COVID, particularly in high-risk populations such as the elderly in nursing homes, health care and front-line workers, or people in underserved communities, according to the Yale release.

Dr. Charles Dela Cruz, director of the Center for Pulmonary Infection Research at Yale University, said working with the university provides AI Therapeutics with an “outpatient treatment option for patients who are symptomatic in order to prevent progression of disease and hospitalization for COVID-19.” Dela Cruz is the principal investigator of the clinical trial.

As the clinical trial is progressing, AI Therapeutics is preparing to make the LAM-002 accessible: It has 70,000 doses ready to go, 70,000 on the way, and the compound is being prepared for nearly 5 million more doses.

luther.turmelle@hearstmedia ct.com

[muguru]

Fauci has to publicly praise Trump because if he doesn't he knows he will get crap canned. He has to walk a tight line between public safety and staying in his job where he can continue to advocate for science, and thus far, he has done a pretty good job.

As with all Presidents, the buck stops with Trump. Our country's disastrous response is his responsibility.   COVID has happened everywhere. Why are we the worst in the world?

Spin #1  Completely letting Fauci off the hook. #2, not obviously understanding Fauci doesn't work for the Government so he has no need to worry about getting fired by anyone. 

[MU82]

Ah yes, the old experts like Tony Fauci who in February proudly proclaimed the risk of Coronavirus in the US is "miniscule" and laughed at needing masks(and no that wasn't so there were enough for front line workers, he said flat out we didn't need them". Or in March when he did an interview and said the response of the Trump administration was "impressive". So now some radical lefts here are on the spot...and you don't get to have it both ways, which is it?? Trump admin failed when the EXPERT himself said in February no masks and risk miniscule(yet everyone blasts Trump because if he would have listened from the beginning, listened to who?? He WAS listening to Fauci then, that's what you idiots won't admit)?? Or...does Fauci have to bear significant responsibility for the disaster of a response(as so many claim)??

No, you don't get to play the "the science changes yadda yadda yadda card either". EVERYONE rails on him for not responding properly from the BEGINNING when the "expert" himself said it was nothing to worry about. So that's what we are using, from the beginning of this thing.

For the record, The WHO also tweeted out in February that Chinese scientists found no proof of human to human transmission.

So?? What do you radical left sycophants say?? This spin should be fantastic.

From mid-March on, your emperor and Fauci went on diverging paths.

Fauci, a scientist, realized he had underestimated the severity of this coronavirus. He admitted his mistakes. He started pushing hard for mask mandates. He said the economy needed to shut down for an extended time until numerous guidelines and benchmarks had been met. He expressed disappointment and concern when, after re-opening started, Americans got together en masse, totally ignoring guidelines. As we got to late spring and early summer, he repeatedly sounded alarms about the poor handling of the pandemic. Rather than listen to him, the administration began putting together a smear campaign against him.

Let's compare that to President Pandemic ...

In February, he was lying daily about there soon being no cases, about him having it "under control," about there being absolutely no cause for concern. By mid-March, he and Fauci were on completely different paths.

Almost as soon as he begrudgingly agreed the economy had to be shut down, he started pushing for it to re-open before Easter even though science -- and Fauci -- told him that would be unwise. He would let Fauci talk for a couple of minutes at the briefings and then would shove Fauci aside so he could make incoherent ramblings for an hour or more about the "Kung Flu" and about injecting Lysol into human lungs.

He insisted that he, alone, had "total authority" to re-open the country ... until something messy like the Constitution got in his way. He threatened governors that he would withhold PPE and ventilators if they weren't "nice" to him. He put Jared in charge of dealing with COVID-19 -- and why not, Jared had brought peace to the Middle East! Jared almost immediately declared that the administration's response had been a great "success."

On April 16, after one of his minions finally convinced him that the Constitution gives governors, not the president, authority to re-open states, he calmly and effectively went through a list of guidelines for states to re-open. The guidelines were detailed, and included numerous benchmarks that had to be met. It probably was his single most "presidential" act since taking office,

On April 17, about 15 hours later, he tweeted that armed protesters were right to descend on state capitals. LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE VIRGINIA! Which would have been bad enough except that Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia were nowhere near having achieved the guidelines and benchmarks that he himself had so carefully laid out the day before. That act alone sent the message to a huge swath of America: Don't worry about the virus, kids, we'll be re-opening soon!

One by one, he got all the red-state governors to open well before the science said it was prudent; Fauci disagreed with this at every turn. Almost all of those governors have had to retreat, closing down parts of their economies, enacting mask mandates, etc. All the while, he insisted: "I don't take responsibility at all."

He not only refused to wear a mask, he mocked the very idea of mask-wearing. This was months after the initial spin that masks were bad, something medical people were saying because they didn't want a run on masks that would have kept first-responders from getting them. By April, any scientist, epidemiologist and doctor with any real credentials -- including Fauci and Birx -- had agreed that masks were an effective way to battle the coronavirus. But President Pandemic wasn't having it. He refused to wear a mask even when visiting a mask factory that required all visitors to wear masks. About a month ago, he claimed that people were wearing masks only to signal disapproval with him. Because, you know, it's always, always, always about him.

By early June, your emperor stopped talking about the pandemic almost completely -- except, occasionally, to bring out his inner racist and call it the Kung Flu. He just declared victory and moved on to an epic failure in his next crisis, the one involving race relations. His pièce de résistance was having his militia violently attack peaceful protesters so he could stage a photo-op with a bible he held upside down; just minutes earlier, he had lied about being "an ally of all peaceful protesters."

In the ensuing weeks, he pretended the coronavirus no longer existed. He went back to golfing regularly and he decided to stage a mega-rally in Tulsa on June 20. No masks. No social distancing. A million people wanted to go! Fortunately (and humiliatingly for him), there were about 994,000 fewer than a million people there -- though hundreds did end up getting infected with Trump Flu, including many from his own detail.

He got irate when the NC governor wouldn't promise that the RNC could be held in a packed Spectrum Center with no masks and no social distancing. Although Fauci agreed with the governor, President Pandemic called the governor every name in the book and petulantly took the convention to Jacksonville ... where not much later he would have to cancel it because Florida -- a state governed by one of his main toadies -- has been overrun by COVID-19.

His poll numbers tanking and desperation setting in, he finally, just a few days ago, started acting like a president who cares about the health and well-being of Americans. Most folks, however, are smart enough to see through the phoniness after 6 months of totally downplaying it -- which is why he trails badly in almost every poll, even those taken by right-leaning outfits like Rasmussen and Fox News.

So there, guru, is the difference between Anthony Fauci and your emperor.

You're welcome.

[Uncle Rico]

From mid-March on, your emperor and Fauci went on diverging paths.

Fauci, a scientist, realized he had underestimated the severity of this coronavirus. He admitted his mistakes. He started pushing hard for mask mandates. He said the economy needed to shut down for an extended time until numerous guidelines and benchmarks had been met. He expressed disappointment and concern when, after re-opening started, Americans got together en masse, totally ignoring guidelines. As we got to late spring and early summer, he repeatedly sounded alarms about the poor handling of the pandemic. Rather than listen to him, the administration began putting together a smear campaign against him.

Let's compare that to President Pandemic ...

In February, he was lying daily about there soon being no cases, about him having it "under control," about there being absolutely no cause for concern. By mid-March, he and Fauci were on completely different paths.

Almost as soon as he begrudgingly agreed the economy had to be shut down, he started pushing for it to re-open before Easter even though science -- and Fauci -- told him that would be unwise. He would let Fauci talk for a couple of minutes at the briefings and then would shove Fauci aside so he could make incoherent ramblings for an hour or more about the "Kung Flu" and about injecting Lysol into human lungs.

He insisted that he, alone, had "total authority" to re-open the country ... until something messy like the Constitution got in his way. He threatened governors that he would withhold PPE and ventilators if they weren't "nice" to him. He put Jared in charge of dealing with COVID-19 -- and why not, Jared had brought peace to the Middle East! Jared almost immediately declared that the administration's response had been a great "success."

On April 16, after one of his minions finally convinced him that the Constitution gives governors, not the president, authority to re-open states, he calmly and effectively went through a list of guidelines for states to re-open. The guidelines were detailed, and included numerous benchmarks that had to be met. It probably was his single most "presidential" act since taking office,

On April 17, about 15 hours later, he tweeted that armed protesters were right to descend on state capitals. LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE VIRGINIA! Which would have been bad enough except that Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia were nowhere near having achieved the guidelines and benchmarks that he himself had so carefully laid out the day before. That act alone sent the message to a huge swath of America: Don't worry about the virus, kids, we'll be re-opening soon!

One by one, he got all the red-state governors to open well before the science said it was prudent; Fauci disagreed with this at every turn. Almost all of those governors have had to retreat, closing down parts of their economies, enacting mask mandates, etc. All the while, he insisted: "I don't take responsibility at all."

He not only refused to wear a mask, he mocked the very idea of mask-wearing. This was months after the initial spin that masks were bad, something medical people were saying because they didn't want a run on masks that would have kept first-responders from getting them. By April, any scientist, epidemiologist and doctor with any real credentials -- including Fauci and Birx -- had agreed that masks were an effective way to battle the coronavirus. But President Pandemic wasn't having it. He refused to wear a mask even when visiting a mask factory that required all visitors to wear masks. About a month ago, he claimed that people were wearing masks only to signal disapproval with him. Because, you know, it's always, always, always about him.

By early June, your emperor stopped talking about the pandemic almost completely -- except, occasionally, to bring out his inner racist and call it the Kung Flu. He just declared victory and moved on to an epic failure in his next crisis, the one involving race relations. His pièce de résistance was having his militia violently attack peaceful protesters so he could stage a photo-op with a bible he held upside down; just minutes earlier, he had lied about being "an ally of all peaceful protesters."

In the ensuing weeks, he pretended the coronavirus no longer existed. He went back to golfing regularly and he decided to stage a mega-rally in Tulsa on June 20. No masks. No social distancing. A million people wanted to go! Fortunately (and humiliatingly for him), there were about 994,000 fewer than a million people there -- though hundreds did end up getting infected with Trump Flu, including many from his own detail.

He got irate when the NC governor wouldn't promise that the RNC could be held in a packed Spectrum Center with no masks and no social distancing. Although Fauci agreed with the governor, President Pandemic called the governor every name in the book and petulantly took the convention to Jacksonville ... where not much later he would have to cancel it because Florida -- a state governed by one of his main toadies -- has been overrun by COVID-19.

His poll numbers tanking and desperation setting in, he finally, just a few days ago, started acting like a president who cares about the health and well-being of Americans. Most folks, however, are smart enough to see through the phoniness after 6 months of totally downplaying it -- which is why he trails badly in almost every poll, even those taken by right-leaning outfits like Rasmussen and Fox News.

So there, guru, is the difference between Anthony Fauci and your emperor.

You're welcome.

Facts don’t care about your feelings

[muguru]

If you don't understand that what we know about a novel coronavirus and how it spreads can change, and continue to take quotes out of context, you aren't really interested in an honest discussion or to have your questions answered.  Guru, yesterday's hydroxy episode shows you are easilly manipulated.  You don't take time to research on your own.  You let largely right wing social media do your thinking for you. There is really no use to you being here if all you're going to do is parrot talking points and make EVERYTHING political.

Regardless, what I was talking about was how we should have opened the economy up with more care a couple of months ago.  We would be in a much better position had we done so.  We should have used this as an opportunity to have a shared sense of purpose and national unity.  But we didn't.  I mean, we started to, but then it just broke down into the usual nonsense.

That's what other countries have done.  Countries that have less resources than ours.  Countries lead by both governments both on the left and the right.  I mean, there are developing countries in Africa handling this better than we are.  (You may have heard them referred to as "sh*thole countries" by others in the past.)  So I am not suggesting extreme solutions that are out of the box here.  I am suggesting common sense, science oriented, proven ways to mitigate.  That's not a "radical left" point of view.  That's common sense.

But we haven't chosen that route.  We have decided that science be damned, we are just going to do whatever we want.  And it's not working.  That's why the economy stinks...that's why we are debating whether or not schools should be back in person...that's why we may not have college basketball this winter.  We really have only ourselves to blame.  The roadmap was right there, but we decided to off road it and now we are lost and hoping for a miracle.

And....spin #2 well done Fluffy. Instead of saying ONE single word about Fauci's TERRIBLE response to this early, I apparently took his quotes out of context. That would be a 100% absolute falsehood. Hopefully the USA Today is legit enough source(likely not but I digress), and hopefully Faci's own words/quotes are a good enough source(or I guess I'm taking his own words out of context) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

Short of that, Fauci says skip the masks unless you are contagious, don't worry about catching anything from Chinese products and certainly don't avoid Chinese people or restaurants.  Huh, who knew?? I guess I'm taking that out of context most likely.

•Masks. The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

"If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you," he said. "People start saying, 'Should I start wearing a mask?' Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."[/size] Obviously I'm taking that direct quote out of context

Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just minuscule." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave."

"We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more," he said.


I'm thinking the fact he said the risk was "miniscule" I totally took out of context, because obviously that HAD to have been bad orange man TELLING him to say that. Or maybe the fact that he was more worried about the flu than coronavirus I also took quotes out of context.

Again, people do NOT get to back track now and say "science changes" I see all over(on this board as well), all the people that say bad orange man has handled this terribly from the VERY BEGINNING or had he done this RIGHT AWAY. Uhhhh, this WAS in the beginning, these comments by the utmost "expert"(at least he is to libs) were made in mid February, at that point bad orange man had already closed the border. But you're right, I guess at that time he should have also MANDATED or even strongly suggested using masks even though Fauci laughed at the idea of needing them. Or, I guess maybe he should have taken it far more seriously even though Fauci had said the risk was "miniscule". Bad orange man for not being out in front of the experts on this, I know. Bad, bad, bad.

How DARE bad orange man follow the science(or scientist) then.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

[Uncle Rico]

And....spin #2 well done Fluffy. Instead of saying ONE single word about Fauci's TERRIBLE response to this early, I apparently took his quotes out of context. That would be a 100% absolute falsehood. Hopefully the USA Today is legit enough source(likely not but I digress), and hopefully Faci's own words/quotes are a good enough source(or I guess I'm taking his own words out of context) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

Short of that, Fauci says skip the masks unless you are contagious, don't worry about catching anything from Chinese products and certainly don't avoid Chinese people or restaurants.  Huh, who knew?? I guess I'm taking that out of context most likely.

•Masks. The only people who need masks are those who are already infected to keep from exposing others. The masks sold at drugstores aren't even good enough to truly protect anyone, Fauci said.

"If you look at the masks that you buy in a drug store, the leakage around that doesn't really do much to protect you," he said. "People start saying, 'Should I start wearing a mask?' Now, in the United States, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to wear a mask."[/size] Obviously I'm taking that direct quote out of context

Fauci doesn't want people to worry about coronavirus, the danger of which is "just minuscule." But he does want them to take precautions against the "influenza outbreak, which is having its second wave."

"We have more kids dying of flu this year at this time than in the last decade or more," he said.


I'm thinking the fact he said the risk was "miniscule" I totally took out of context, because obviously that HAD to have been bad orange man TELLING him to say that. Or maybe the fact that he was more worried about the flu than coronavirus I also took quotes out of context.

Again, people do NOT get to back track now and say "science changes" I see all over(on this board as well), all the people that say bad orange man has handled this terribly from the VERY BEGINNING or had he done this RIGHT AWAY. Uhhhh, this WAS in the beginning, these comments by the utmost "expert"(at least he is to libs) were made in mid February, at that point bad orange man had already closed the border. But you're right, I guess at that time he should have also MANDATED or even strongly suggested using masks even though Fauci laughed at the idea of needing them. Or, I guess maybe he should have taken it far more seriously even though Fauci had said the risk was "miniscule". Bad orange man for not being out in front of the experts on this, I know. Bad, bad, bad.

How DARE bad orange man follow the science(or scientist) then.

President Pandemic isn’t to blame for Trump Flu IMO

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

And....spin #2 well done Fluffy. Instead of saying ONE single word about Fauci's TERRIBLE response to this early, I apparently took his quotes out of context. That would be a 100% absolute falsehood. Hopefully the USA Today is legit enough source(likely not but I digress), and hopefully Faci's own words/quotes are a good enough source(or I guess I'm taking his own words out of context) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2020/02/17/nih-disease-official-anthony-fauci-risk-of-coronavirus-in-u-s-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/4787209002/

Second sentence in the article you linked:

"If that testing shows the virus has slipped into the country in places federal officials don't know about, "we've got a problem," Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told USA TODAY's Editorial Board Monday."

Which is exactly what happened.  The virus had "slipped into the country in places" federal officials didn't know about....and then we had a problem.

[TSmith34, Inc.]

Ah yes, the old experts like Tony Fauci who in February proudly proclaimed the risk of Coronavirus in the US is "miniscule" and laughed at needing masks(and no that wasn't so there were enough for front line workers, he said flat out we didn't need them". Or in March when he did an interview and said the response of the Trump administration was "impressive". So now some radical lefts here are on the spot...and you don't get to have it both ways, which is it?? Trump admin failed when the EXPERT himself said in February no masks and risk miniscule(yet everyone blasts Trump because if he would have listened from the beginning, listened to who?? He WAS listening to Fauci then, that's what you idiots won't admit)?? Or...does Fauci have to bear significant responsibility for the disaster of a response(as so many claim)??

No, you don't get to play the "the science changes yadda yadda yadda card either". EVERYONE rails on him for not responding properly from the BEGINNING when the "expert" himself said it was nothing to worry about. So that's what we are using, from the beginning of this thing.

For the record, The WHO also tweeted out in February that Chinese scientists found no proof of human to human transmission.

So?? What do you radical left sycophants say?? This spin should be fantastic.

If only Trump had had a witchdoctor in February instead of Fauci.

The right's inability to feel shame or embarrassment is amazing.

[muguru]

From mid-March on, your emperor and Fauci went on diverging paths.

Fauci, a scientist, realized he had underestimated the severity of this coronavirus. He admitted his mistakes. He started pushing hard for mask mandates. He said the economy needed to shut down for an extended time until numerous guidelines and benchmarks had been met. He expressed disappointment and concern when, after re-opening started, Americans got together en masse, totally ignoring guidelines. As we got to late spring and early summer, he repeatedly sounded alarms about the poor handling of the pandemic. Rather than listen to him, the administration began putting together a smear campaign against him.

Let's compare that to President Pandemic ...

In February, he was lying daily about there soon being no cases, about him having it "under control," about there being absolutely no cause for concern. By mid-March, he and Fauci were on completely different paths.

Almost as soon as he begrudgingly agreed the economy had to be shut down, he started pushing for it to re-open before Easter even though science -- and Fauci -- told him that would be unwise. He would let Fauci talk for a couple of minutes at the briefings and then would shove Fauci aside so he could make incoherent ramblings for an hour or more about the "Kung Flu" and about injecting Lysol into human lungs.

He insisted that he, alone, had "total authority" to re-open the country ... until something messy like the Constitution got in his way. He threatened governors that he would withhold PPE and ventilators if they weren't "nice" to him. He put Jared in charge of dealing with COVID-19 -- and why not, Jared had brought peace to the Middle East! Jared almost immediately declared that the administration's response had been a great "success."

On April 16, after one of his minions finally convinced him that the Constitution gives governors, not the president, authority to re-open states, he calmly and effectively went through a list of guidelines for states to re-open. The guidelines were detailed, and included numerous benchmarks that had to be met. It probably was his single most "presidential" act since taking office,

On April 17, about 15 hours later, he tweeted that armed protesters were right to descend on state capitals. LIBERATE MINNESOTA! LIBERATE MICHIGAN! LIBERATE VIRGINIA! Which would have been bad enough except that Minnesota, Michigan and Virginia were nowhere near having achieved the guidelines and benchmarks that he himself had so carefully laid out the day before. That act alone sent the message to a huge swath of America: Don't worry about the virus, kids, we'll be re-opening soon!

One by one, he got all the red-state governors to open well before the science said it was prudent; Fauci disagreed with this at every turn. Almost all of those governors have had to retreat, closing down parts of their economies, enacting mask mandates, etc. All the while, he insisted: "I don't take responsibility at all."

He not only refused to wear a mask, he mocked the very idea of mask-wearing. This was months after the initial spin that masks were bad, something medical people were saying because they didn't want a run on masks that would have kept first-responders from getting them. By April, any scientist, epidemiologist and doctor with any real credentials -- including Fauci and Birx -- had agreed that masks were an effective way to battle the coronavirus. But President Pandemic wasn't having it. He refused to wear a mask even when visiting a mask factory that required all visitors to wear masks. About a month ago, he claimed that people were wearing masks only to signal disapproval with him. Because, you know, it's always, always, always about him.

By early June, your emperor stopped talking about the pandemic almost completely -- except, occasionally, to bring out his inner racist and call it the Kung Flu. He just declared victory and moved on to an epic failure in his next crisis, the one involving race relations. His pièce de résistance was having his militia violently attack peaceful protesters so he could stage a photo-op with a bible he held upside down; just minutes earlier, he had lied about being "an ally of all peaceful protesters."

In the ensuing weeks, he pretended the coronavirus no longer existed. He went back to golfing regularly and he decided to stage a mega-rally in Tulsa on June 20. No masks. No social distancing. A million people wanted to go! Fortunately (and humiliatingly for him), there were about 994,000 fewer than a million people there -- though hundreds did end up getting infected with Trump Flu, including many from his own detail.

He got irate when the NC governor wouldn't promise that the RNC could be held in a packed Spectrum Center with no masks and no social distancing. Although Fauci agreed with the governor, President Pandemic called the governor every name in the book and petulantly took the convention to Jacksonville ... where not much later he would have to cancel it because Florida -- a state governed by one of his main toadies -- has been overrun by COVID-19.

His poll numbers tanking and desperation setting in, he finally, just a few days ago, started acting like a president who cares about the health and well-being of Americans. Most folks, however, are smart enough to see through the phoniness after 6 months of totally downplaying it -- which is why he trails badly in almost every poll, even those taken by right-leaning outfits like Rasmussen and Fox News.

So there, guru, is the difference between Anthony Fauci and your emperor.

You're welcome.

  All that bad reopening of red states and isn't it ironic that the WORST death totals are all in BLUE states. Weird.

You are going to be one miserable POS after he gets re elected, and I for one will be here to make sure EVERY SINGLE one of you radical left sycophants has to wallow in that misery. Count on it. That is unless of course because you are so miserable in America and hate the leader so much that you will up and move to a different country?? There's 200+ countires out there, if you hate it here so much and it's leadership, then it's simple...leave. You can't bitch and bitch about how bad it is and how miserable our leader is, then stay here. Why would anyone want to stay somewhere they aren't happy and obviously hate?? Unless of course they are complete and total HYPOCRITES and just like running their mouths but when it comes time to actually putting their money where there mouths are...they don't do anything.

You're welcome.

[Jockey]

“Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” ― Mark Twain

[muguru]

President Pandemic isn’t to blame for Trump Flu IMO

Nor is he to blame for the china virus coming into America, which most people on the left seem to think he is. That's weird that he somehow brought it here, isn't it??

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Seriously people.  Can you take your BS arguments to IM.  Thanks. 

[tower912]

If, however, my guy wins, I will welcome anyone, regardless of party, interested in moving the country forward.

[jesmu84]

Nor is he to blame for the china virus coming into America, which most people on the left seem to think he is. That's weird that he somehow brought it here, isn't it??

You gonna talk about that crazy witch doctor yet or no?

[TSmith34, Inc.]

You gonna talk about that crazy witch doctor yet or no?

Oh, but her did!

After being told about her witchcraft claims and demon spirits stuff he said:

Of course...who wouldn't have guessed that all the same Radical left whack jobs that infiltrate these boards wouldn't immediately dismiss this as being bunk because they simply don't want to hear it. It's so freaking nauseating how none of you will EVEN consider an alternate opinion/theory simply because of your agendas against bad orange man, and that is ALL it is. It's like clockwork...if it's not what they want to believe(even though she's a doctor and we are just message board posters), bash, bash, bash and dismiss. Although Fluffy is the closest thing we have on these boards to Dr. Fauci...just ask him.

As well as:

So what you're saying is...it's not even REMOTELY possible, that she has in fact treated 350 patients with it and had a 100% success rate?? NOT even a smidge possible?? If no, you would know that how exactly Tony?? Did you witness her NEVER doing it?? Or, is it something else?? At least unlike a lot of you, I'm willing to listen and consider possibilities.

No sense of embarrassment, no sense of shame.

[jesmu84]

Oh, but her did!

After being told about her witchcraft claims and demon spirits stuff he said:

As well as:
No sense of embarrassment, no sense of shame.

I feel like the majority of her background came out in public since he's spoken. Plus all the dark money stuff

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Is Laura Ingraham promoting a demon sperm treatment yet?

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Is Laura Ingraham promoting a demon sperm treatment yet?

Pretty sure that’s how she was conceived.

[Vander Blue Man Group]

Pretty sure that’s how she was conceived.

Good point.

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Pretty sure that’s how she was conceived.

LOL!  Post of the day.