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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by Uncle Rico on Today at 11:05:19 AM »
Don't we enact public policy all the time that "not everyone feels that way"?

Ask women about public policy decisions
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on Today at 10:50:52 AM »
Explain to me how requiring students to repay their debts for 50 years, then having a window where debts are absolved, then closing the window and again expecting repayment is “good public policy”. Buying votes in an election year doesn’t qualify as a good answer.

It isn't good public policy.

But the forgiveness of student loan debt for targeted professions (teachers, law enforcement, etc.) or giving tax breaks to companies who have that as part of their compensation package could very well be. Or coupling more universal debt relief with a program to lower the cost of higher education may be as well.

All of these would provide people with something that those who came before did not receive. That should be absolutely irrelevant to the conversation IF the above is good policy.

The schools that make up the NCAA are now going to be paying athletes directly. It's about time! Should that have not been put in place because former student athletes didn't get to participate? Of course not.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by jesmu84 on Today at 10:48:44 AM »
In my opinion, forgiving student debt does not address any real problem and will not lead to any substantial change. The burden of the student loan falls wholly on the student, that I think is the problem. Colleges have no real incentive to keep costs in check and governments have no incentive to hold colleges accountable in any way. Money just keeps getting created to subsidize the colleges, costs inflate, students have no chance to pay it back. I’m not sure if the solution is to remove the government, because I think that will unintentionally affect the less well off.

I paid for my college through federal loans, grants, and work. We also paid for my wife’s education (MU as well) but her dad “paid” and we paid him back. It took between 7-10 years to pay for our debt.

We told our boys we would pay the equivalent of UW Madison, and they would pay the rest. Well, my son got into a prestigious university, and we wanted him to fulfill his dream and hard work. He was absolutely stressed about the $95K annual cost. We upped it to about $50K per year. We actually pay it all and have a running loan total that he will pay back when he graduates and gets a job. He is in STEM, so we view it as an investment. We are fortunate to be able to do this and will adjust his repayment levels as he adjusts to life on his own paying all his own bills.

My other son is going to a school that actually gives merit based and athletic scholarships and currently has an annual bill of $17K. We will pay that outright and apply the difference of our commitment to his graduate school needs. He will pay back any additional money added to “the nut” as we call it.

The issue with education should be free through college, or at least there should be public options that are free, is that not everyone feels that way. I would absolutely support a “free” Montessori education from 18 months old through 12th grade. I would also support a “free” public college option. We use air quotes around free when we discuss government spending or college “free” inclusions in tuition/costs and refer to them as fake free, but I personally think the right education system is super important. Some people prefer defense spending, for example, so “free” school won’t likely happen. So, education just becomes another political battlefield at the expense of the kids.

Don't we enact public policy all the time that "not everyone feels that way"?
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by jesmu84 on Today at 10:47:44 AM »
Explain to me how requiring students to repay their debts for 50 years, then having a window where debts are absolved, then closing the window and again expecting repayment is “good public policy”. Buying votes in an election year doesn’t qualify as a good answer.

That scenario only works if one supports one-time student loan forgiveness as an economic stimulus - which I would argue we don't need right now.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by Lennys Tap on Today at 10:45:09 AM »
No need to be hyperbolic. If its good public policy, it should be pursued regardless of how people "feel" about it.

Explain to me how requiring students to repay their debts for 50 years, then having a window where debts are absolved, then closing the window and again expecting repayment is “good public policy”. Buying votes in an election year doesn’t qualify as a good answer.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on Today at 10:45:01 AM »
Fluff

It definitely will be a joyless night for anyone seated near you.

Exactly. All this free food and drink that I not going to be able to enjoy. It will make me so grumpy.
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He is still a 7 footer with upside though right?  ?-(

Yeah, but if he was really from Texas, he would have grown to at least 7'6". Everything is bigger in Texas.  :)
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by Goose on Today at 10:41:16 AM »
Fluff

It definitely will be a joyless night for anyone seated near you.
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The Superbar / Re: US Economy thread
« Last post by The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on Today at 10:36:51 AM »
I not only don't pay for work but they pay me to work. Work is inherently valueless. I am learning nothing.

I am a drain on the economy.

Damn that sucks.

I'm going to be using a gift card to a local place that my kids gave me for dinner next week. Too bad it will be a joyless event because I didn't grind and focus enough to pay for it myself.
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Two guys named “Clark” from Houston? That can’t be a coincidence.

Not when one is reposting the other's commitment to a high school.  How many of the Clarks in Houston are 6'8"+ and D1 basketball prospects separated by a couple of years?  They definitely know each other.  Wasn't sure if they are related or not.
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