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We also have the second lowest mortality rate in the industrialized world for COVID 19 per capita. Only Germany is better. There are many countries, both conservative and progressive, with universal health care and without, with their own experts that are having problems, too. Per capita is the correct way to look at this data.Do you honestly think in an election year that someone else would have shut things down quicker? I do not. Can provide examples from both sides that show that to be true.
Interesting...and pretty damning for the CDC that it was embedded and involved from the beginning, and yet messed up its test development efforts so badly. If CDC had developed and rolled out a test in late January or early February (when other countries were already successfully testing for the virus), we would be in a very different place than we are right now.I don’t know if was just CDC‘s screwups, or if the Trump administration‘s very public anti-science stance also played a role in disempowering them, but something is severely wrong there...
The WHO is no different. This is why your continued insistence to have CDC run the show is not connecting with me. Fauci has admitted a number of mistakes which is refreshing, but also concerning. There is no simple playbook for this as much as people wish there was.
Do you honestly think in an election year that someone else would have shut things down quicker?
We also have the second lowest mortality rate in the industrialized world for COVID 19 per capita. Only Germany is better. There are many countries, both conservative and progressive, with universal health care and without, with their own experts that are having problems, too. Per capita is the correct way to look at this data.
I suspect he is calculating deaths/cases for this. Now if you use deaths/recovered we are near dead last.You are using death/population.
What are you defining as industrialized world?
On a per capita basis — remember that: On a per capita basis, our mortality rate is far lower than other nations of Western Europe, with the lone exception of possibly Germany. This includes the UK, Switzerland, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, France. Spain, for example, has a mortality rate that is nearly four times that of the United States, but you don’t hear that. You hear we have more death. But we’re much bigger countries than any of those countries by far.
Trump says he will issue an executive order suspending immigration.https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/us/coronavirus-live-news.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=HomepageHe is so confident that we have this solved that he calls to “liberate” states ASAP, but so concerned about the spread that he suspends immigration. Yeah - vilifying the “others” is gonna solve this....
You’re all in with Governors who won’t allow their citizens to buy seeds, paint or go fishing (by themselves) but temporarily closing our borders is vilifying the “others”. Sheesh.
Which governors have done this?
60 million new folks unemployed, economy and citizens locked down, flights shut down from China and Europe, etc., etc., etc., - but temporarily suspending immigration in the midst of this is vilifying the “others”. You’re all in with Governors who won’t allow their citizens to buy seeds, paint or go fishing (by themselves) but temporarily closing our borders is vilifying the “others”. Sheesh.
In Michigan large retailers are banned from selling seeds, paint, garden supplies, etc.. If you have a motor on your boat you are not allowed to go on any lakes for fishing, etc..
Yes - closing the borders when the virus is already rampant here and there is no evidence that current immigrants are increasing the spread is vilifying the “others.” It’s especially obvious given that he is simultaneously turning a blind eye to states that are reopening in contravention to his recent three-phase guidelines.If he wants to make real progress in preventing further spread, he should tell the governors of South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee to follow the guidelines that HE ISSUED JUST LAST WEEK, and then send out the test kits he keeps promising.Honest yes or no question: Do you think it’s good for the country that he issued a very well-reasoned three-phase plan for reopening, and then: (1) tweeted about “liberating” several states that don’t meet the reopening criteria; and (2) ignores states that are openly contravening the guidelines?
Nope. You can buy paint, seeds and gardening supplies in Michigan. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/15/facebook-posts/covid-order-doesnt-ban-gardening-or-sale-seeds-and/And nope. You can go fishing in Michigan (including by yourself).https://www.michigan.gov/coronavirus/0,9753,7-406-98810-523692--,00.htmlAnd you said "governors" as far as my limited reading comprehension skills can tell.
The virus is “rampant” in very small areas of our country. The denser the population, the closer to International airports, the more likely it is rampant. If we’re locking things down (quarantines when citizens go from state to state) what’s wrong with temporarily locking down our borders? Nobody is blaming the “others”, it’s a temporary safety thing that would make perfect sense to you under anyone else’s leadership.On your last point, I think it’s frustrating, counter productive and wrong that Trump is sending mixed messages on reopening. He’s listening to Fauci on one hand and his economic team on the other but if he going to flip back and forth he needs to a) concede that’s what he’s doing and b) give sound reasons why. Highly unlikely.
As I said, the ban (still in place) is for large retailers.
Have you double-checked the data on the underlined?I have been keeping close tabs on MN (where I live) and the immediately surrounding states of WI, IA, ND and SD. Of those five states, MSP has the overwhelming majority of international passengers...and yet MN has the lowest per capita infection rate in the region by a WIDE MARGIN. Current data from Johns Hopkins:SD: 190/100k residents IA: 100/100k residentsND: 82/100k residents WI: 77/100k residentsMN: 44/100k residentsI also find it interesting that AL (whose governor was late to close, using the infamous line that “we are not California”) has a higher rate than - you guessed it - California.AL: 104/100k residents CA: 85/100k residents Wanna guess which state has more recent immigrants?