Damion Lee gives his finalists .... MU is one of them

[brewcity77]

How do we prove that?

Can we see if there is a disproportionate number of PAC 10 players drafted vs their high school rankings? vs Big East players drafted vs their high school rankings?

Would that do it?

In 2014, the Pac-12 had 3 players drafted in the lottery, 6 in the first round, and 9 overall.

In 2013, the Pac-12 had 0 players drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 7 overall.

In 2012, the Pac-12 had 1 player drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 3 overall.

Those are the three years in the current incarnation of the Pac-12. I'd say they're doing okay. Last year was a high-water mark, 2012 was a down year. All-in-all, if scouts are going to find you, I don't think playing in the Pac-12 will stop them.

[wadesworld]

No you cannot.  Or he is on their radar the same 200 to 300 other guys are on their radar and only 64 get drafted.  They are waiting for him to impress first and then will make time for him.  They will not scout him on the assumption he works himself onto the draft lists.  Definition of impress ... play well enough to get some good publicity and notice.

To be clear, I'm saying he cannot play well enough to get drafted.  He very well can.  But he starts the season where he is now, a European prospect.

Why is it everyone thinks NBA scouting is so efficient that a player is known and scouted properly no matter what and where you play does not matter.  Then, in the next breath, when Dekker hits a couple of threes we all think that moves him up in the draft.  Or when Okafor does not have a good game we think he needs another year in college?  

If scouting was efficient, then after 37 college games this season, the NBA knows all they need to know about Dekker and Okafor and whether or not their last game or two was good or not should not matter.  Fact is the last game they play does matter because it is a highly inexact science and where you play, who you play with and what attention you get matters.  Yes, Pac-12 players have a disadvantage.

Okay Heisenberg.  Think what you want to.  Think that NBA Scouts and GMs have never heard of Damion Lee and have no interest in watching him play next season...unless he's playing in the Bucks' stadium, in the Knicks' stadium, in the 76ers' stadium, and in the Wizards' stadium.  Think that the 5th leading scorer in the country who has the measurables and skill set to be an NBA player is listing 5 high major programs to choose from to play for his senior season but that the only reason NBA scouts will become aware of him is because he's playing next to another NBA player in an NBA arena before their bedtime.  Think there are no NBA teams west of the Central Time Zone.  Think Scouts and GMs don't travel to see players play.  Whatever you want.  You can convince yourself of anything.  You clearly don't have the slightest clue as to how it works, but that's never stopped you.  Just like UIC is building a powerhouse, Jahlil is the best ever out of Chicago, Hank the top ever out of WI, etc.

Jahlil got "exposed" in the NCAA...to the tune of falling from a 50/50 chance of being the number 1 pick in the draft to a 40/60 chance of being the number 1 pick in the draft, and being no worse than number 3 pick in the NBA draft.  It's all because this was the first time he was playing at a reasonable hour for NBA scouts to watch him, and what a fall he will have.

Think that Dekker played exactly how he had played throughout his entire career in this NCAA Tournament.  He only averaged 20 ppg, when his junior year average was at 13 ppg.  Think he didn't attack the rim more aggressively than he ever had, play in a more wide open game (like the NBA) against UNC and go off, etc.  And to think, he jumped all of maybe 5 spots.  Guess what?  He wasn't going to be the 20th pick and then jump to 15th because the scouts were simply missing him until the NCAA Tournament put the light on him for the first time ever.  He...showed more parts of his game that he had never shown before?  Crazy.  It's not a lack of scouting, it's an improvement in a player's game.

The lengths you go to get attention are bordering on Ners level.

[Tugg Speedman]

Okay Heisenberg.  Think what you want to.  Think that NBA Scouts and GMs have never heard of Damion Lee and have no interest in watching him play next season...unless he's playing in the Bucks' stadium, in the Knicks' stadium, in the 76ers' stadium, and in the Wizards' stadium.  Think that the 5th leading scorer in the country who has the measurables and skill set to be an NBA player is listing 5 high major programs to choose from to play for his senior season but that the only reason NBA scouts will become aware of him is because he's playing next to another NBA player in an NBA arena before their bedtime.  

Wow if he's that good, he should go pro this year.

[MU82]

What kind of NBA "radar" was Jae on for the 2011 or 2102 drafts? What kind of radar was Jimmy on for the 2010 draft? They got onto the radar as seniors based on their performance and work ethic. It happens fairly often, especially for second-rounders. It certainly could happen for Lee if he proves he belongs.

ALSO: I don't know the answer to this, but maybe somebody does ...

Before they ever played a single college game, where were James McAdoo (ESPN's No. 6 recruit in 2011) and Cody Zeller (ESPN's No. 14 recruit in 2011) projected to go in 2012 mock drafts?

They were, like Henry, two multi-talented, 5-star bigs. Just curious.

[Tugg Speedman]

This was written by the Baltimore Sun so it has an obvious Maryland bias.  If you can look past that, it has some interesting thoughts.

A closer look at the factors in Damion Lee's transfer decision
By Don Markus The Baltimore Sun
April 14, 2015 11:45AM

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-damion-lee-transfer-decision-factors-20150413-story.html#page=1



On Sunday, Drexel transfer Damion Lee (Calvert Hall) announced that he had cut his list of schools that he is still considering to five: Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette and Maryland.

Lee said there will be a number of factors to consider. Here is a closer look at how some of those factors line up with his potential future schools:

Winning a national championship

Based on last season’s performance and the projections looking ahead to 2015-16, four of the five schools on Lee’s list make some sense while one, Marquette, appears to be the outlier.

Maryland has been given 12-1 odds in Las Vegas to win a national championship, pretty heady stuff for a program that just made it back to the NCAA tournament for the first time in five years and only reached the Round of 32.

According to OddsShark, Gonzaga and Arizona are each 25-1 to win it all next year. Louisville is 33-1 and Marquette is 100-1.

Given the fact that Louisville coach Rick Pitino is the only one in the group to have been to a Final Four – Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski did it as an assistant at Duke – that might help the Cardinals' chances of landing Lee. Sean Miller’s three Elite Eight appearances shouldn’t hurt the Wildcats.

Playing time

Lee has the confidence to believe he will get playing time wherever he goes, yet after being among the nation’s leaders in minutes played (more than 38 a game as a junior), you have to figure that he’s not going to want that number coming down dramatically.

For that reason, the Terps might have the toughest sell. Though Mark Turgeon had three starters last season average more than 30 minutes per game --  freshman point guard Melo Trimble averaged 33.5 -- the Maryland coach is hoping that the depth he is adding for next season will bring those numbers down.

Maryland definitely has a need for a guard with Lee’s size and skill set, not only on offense but at the defensive end. Neither Dion Wiley nor Jared Nickens are expected to be quite ready to assume the kind of role Dez Wells played the last couple of years. Lee is, and that would be Turgeon’s biggest selling point.

The favorite in the playing time category could be Gonzaga, which lost both point guard Kevin Pangos and shooting guard Byron Wesley and doesn’t have a whole lot coming in behind them.

At Marquette, Wojo signed four-star shooting guard Haanif Cheatham (No. 82 according to ESPN.com) but brings back only JaJuan Johnson at the position. Lee would likely get all the minutes he wants and all the shots he needs with the Golden Eagles.

Arizona signed five-star shooting guard Allonzo Trier (No. 15) and already has 2014 national junior player of the year Kadeem Allen ready to go after sitting out last season.

Looking to replace Chris Jones, who was kicked off the team during the season after being charged with rape, Louisville’s top-rated recruit is shooting guard Donovan Mitchell (No. 43). Louisville also added another graduate transfer, Cleveland State guard Trey Lewis, who is considered a scoring point guard (16.7 ppg this season) .

Exposure

It’s yet to be determined how many national television games Lee’s suitors will get next season, and how many NBA scouts will attend the team’s games. Based on the early hype, and the number of NBA prospects each team has, the Terps could tell Lee that his best chance to be seen – and scouted – would be in College Park.

In reality, it’s not even close.

Trimble will be a preseason All-American and could get some attention for preseason Big Ten Player of the Year, Diamond Stone was a McDonald’s All-American who according to most is a lottery pick next year, and former Georgia Tech standout Robert Carter Jr. has made CBS Sports' list as one of the five best transfers in the country.  Add to that Jake Layman, who is currently No. 20 on DraftExpress.com’s 2016 mock draft list and you have a potential starting lineup of future pros.

Gonzaga has a trio of highly touted (and scouted) big men in Kyle Wiltjer, Domantas Sabonis and Przemek Karnowski (who still might declare for this year's draft).

Most of Arizona’s talent has left Tucson, and as good as Trier is, he’s not going to bring the attention Stanley Johnson did as a freshman last season.

Louisville, too, is more in reloading mode after losing Montrezl Harrell and Wayne Blackshear.

Marquette adds big man Henry Ellenson, who shared Wisconsin player of the year honors with Stone.

As far as television exposure, you have to figure that the Terps are going to be all over the ESPN (as well as CBS) as the Big Ten favorite. They’re going to be one of the marquee attractiions in both the Big Ten-ACC Challenge  (can we please have a Maryland-Duke rematch?)  as well as in the inaugural Gavitt Games between the Big Ten and Big East (can we please have a Maryland-Georgetown renewal?). The Terps also play Connecticut at Madison Square Garden.

Intangibles  

In terms of Lee’s game, NBA scouts are basically looking at a blank canvas regardless of what he’s done at Drexel. One NBA executive told me that he was familiar with Lee, yet still not seen him play in person. One coach whose team faced Drexel called Lee “a poor man’s Reggie Miller,” though no one is expecting him to be a second-coming of the former Indiana Pacers star.

Lee prides himself on playing an all-around game and is an underrated defender. One of the things Wells did as a senior was taking on the role of shutdown perimeter defender, and by showing that skill, he might have played himself into the latter part of the NBA draft -- or, at the very least, getting a legitimate chance of making an NBA roster as a free agent.

There are plenty of mid-major scorers in the NBDL and in Europe; there are even big-time scorers from bigger conferences who never made a dent in the NBA. (Two players with local ties, former Miami star Jack McClinton and former Virginia Tech star Malcolm Delaney, come immediately to mind. Both are overseas). Antoine Mason, who led the nation in scoring with 25.6 points a game two years ago at Niagara, scored 14.4 a game on a bad Auburn team last season.    

Lee's mother, Michelle Riddick, said recently in an interview with The Baltimore Sun that the graduate program her son picks has to give him a legitimate chance of getting a post-graduate degree. Of all the schools on his list, Maryland has the most experience with post-grads, most recently Richaud Pack and Evan Smotrycz last season.

Many believe that Maryland has to be a favorite given its sudden return to college basketball’s elite as well as its proximity to Baltimore, where Riddick works as a nurse and where Lee went to Calvert Hall. Both assert that Lee will go to the school that is “the best fit” and Riddick said that going whereever her son winds up won’t be difficult given how close she lives to BWI.

It’s easy to see that there are many different ways this can play out.

If Lee wants to be his team’s main scorer and play 35 minutes a game, he won’t be coming to Maryland.

If he wants have a chance to be one of the most talented teams in college basketball and have the possibility of playing deep into March -- not to mention get home for an occasional dinner -- he might.

don.markus@baltsun.com

[BrewCity83]

"If Lee wants to be his team’s main scorer and play 35 minutes a game, he won’t be coming to Maryland."


This.

[wadesworld]

Thanks ... I was waiting for someone to bring this up.

Yes, this is why pro scouts, as a group, are terrible and teams are trying to "money-ball" them out of business.  Scouts are underpaid and lazy and, as you suggest, are going to offer opinions on players to draft based on some Youtube videos or watching part of a game on TV.  That is why pro scouts are over-rated

A scout is supposed to go to the game and watch the player, watch what he does on the bench, during time-outs and what he does without the ball (which you cannot see on tv).  Then after the game, they chit-chat with the player in the hall next to the locker room.  Scouts are supposed to go to several games, not spend a day to fly across the country for one game.

Again, Lee is not a draft prospect.  If he was, he'd go this year.  Do not assume he will start next year as a prospect.  He has to play himself into that position.  He's not listed on Draft Express for 2016.

As noted above, Draft express has Henry at #5 (lottery pick).  Stone at #7 (also a lottery pick).  Tarczewski of AZ is a second round prospect, Sabonis at Gonzaga is a mid first round prospect. Louisville has no draft prospects next year (for now).

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/list/

National sports reporters go to BE games because they are based in the cities the BE plays in.  This is how Lee gets attention to get drafted.  Get some good national press and play with a lottery pick that drags scouts/GM/national reporters in to watch MU.  And play where it is easy for scouts (and GMs) come see you in person.  

MU and Maryland best fit these criteria best.  And to put it bluntly, Lee alone is not good enough to put a scout on a plane to the desert.  Paring him with Tarczewski at AZ does not help.  Scouts and GMs will go to the Garden and Pru center in NJ to see lottery pick prospect Henry and Lee can be on the floor with him.

You are so factually incorrect it is absurd.  Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes).  Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player.  They aren't going to get a list of potential NBA players and go visit every player in person.  That's simply not possible.  You get your list, watch video, cut your list down, and then go see players in person who you view as potential assets to your team.  Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players, so talking about waiting outside the locker room and talking to them is once again beyond silly.

I also don't think you have a clue as to what it means to be on a team's radar.  Just because you're on their radar does not mean they're ready and willing to offer you a contract.  Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer are on NBA radars.  You think they should go pro, but they wouldn't be drafted.  NBA scouts are very aware of Damion Lee, and are intrigued to see what he does against tougher competition.  You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year.  Again, you simply just don't understand how it works, and it becomes more and more evident with every post you make.

And you think scouts are putting together their lists based on newspaper headlines.  No wonder you post so many news articles on here.  This just keeps getting funnier.

You say Tarzeski is listed as a mid first round pick but scouts won't go to the desert to see him play.  Yeah, they're just going to blindly take him mid first round without every scouting him because draftexpress.com says he should go mid first round.

Please continue.  This is good.

[Tugg Speedman]

You are so factually incorrect it is absurd.  Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes).  Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player.  They aren't going to get a list of potential NBA players and go visit every player in person.  That's simply not possible.  You get your list, watch video, cut your list down, and then go see players in person who you view as potential assets to your team.  Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players, so talking about waiting outside the locker room and talking to them is once again beyond silly.

I also don't think you have a clue as to what it means to be on a team's radar.  Just because you're on their radar does not mean they're ready and willing to offer you a contract.  Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer are on NBA radars.  You think they should go pro, but they wouldn't be drafted.  NBA scouts are very aware of Damion Lee, and are intrigued to see what he does against tougher competition.  You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year.  Again, you simply just don't understand how it works, and it becomes more and more evident with every post you make.

And you think scouts are putting together their lists based on newspaper headlines.  No wonder you post so many news articles on here.  This just keeps getting funnier.

You say Tarzeski is listed as a mid first round pick but scouts won't go to the desert to see him play.  Yeah, they're just going to blindly take him mid first round without every scouting him because draftexpress.com says he should go mid first round.

Please continue.  This is good.

From the story above ...


It’s yet to be determined how many national television games Lee’s suitors will get next season, and how many NBA scouts will attend the team’s games. Based on the early hype, and the number of NBA prospects each team has, the Terps could tell Lee that his best chance to be seen – and scouted – would be in College Park.

Seems to say something different from you.  Because what it says above is TV appearance, getting scouts to your game which includes the number of prospects matters.  Translation, Lee needs help to get people to games to see him.  Lee needs to play where he is assessable to scouts.  He is not a lottery pick that will demand people see him.  Maybe playing in NBA towns and with other lottery picks mattered.  If it did not, then stay at Drexel because playing at Drexel has him on all the scouts list (according to all the brainiacs here).

All I'm suggesting is their is an east coast bias in basketball.  Everyone here agrees with this ... until this thread

[Jay Bee]

For what its worth, someone on twitter asked Jerry Meyer his prediction on Damion Lee and he simply said "Arizona". I don't know how much weight to put on this but it seems like a lot of people are saying Arizona. However, I haven't heard any specific reasons why Arizona is the perceived frontrunner. I think it may be a situation where everybody is saying Arizona because everybody is saying Arizona. I think his mind is far from made up. I hope we can get him on campus for a visit, and I still like our chances a lot.

The cristal bowel is a gimmick. Meyer has his good qualities, but also has to market his payday.

Looks like he was talking about someone else, anyway.. don't know who Damien Lee is.

[esotericmindguy]

What kind of NBA "radar" was Jae on for the 2011 or 2102 drafts? What kind of radar was Jimmy on for the 2010 draft? They got onto the radar as seniors based on their performance and work ethic. It happens fairly often, especially for second-rounders. It certainly could happen for Lee if he proves he belongs.

ALSO: I don't know the answer to this, but maybe somebody does ...

Before they ever played a single college game, where were James McAdoo (ESPN's No. 6 recruit in 2011) and Cody Zeller (ESPN's No. 14 recruit in 2011) projected to go in 2012 mock drafts?

They were, like Henry, two multi-talented, 5-star bigs. Just curious.

Granted I only watched him once, but hard to believe he was 1.5 years away from wearing an NBA uniform...I don't see 1 and done for him.

[79Warrior]

How do we prove that?

Can we see if there is a disproportionate number of PAC 10 players drafted vs their high school rankings? vs Big East players drafted vs their high school rankings?

Would that do it?

Total garbage comment. Pac-12 does just fine. for that matter, you could say the BE has a problem because we are on Fox. Same silly comment that cannot be proven.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

In 2014, the Pac-12 had 3 players drafted in the lottery, 6 in the first round, and 9 overall.

In 2013, the Pac-12 had 0 players drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 7 overall.

In 2012, the Pac-12 had 1 player drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 3 overall.

Those are the three years in the current incarnation of the Pac-12. I'd say they're doing okay. Last year was a high-water mark, 2012 was a down year. All-in-all, if scouts are going to find you, I don't think playing in the Pac-12 will stop them.

Yes, but imagine where they COULD be if scouts weren't sleeping while their games were on.

[brewcity77]

Yes, but imagine where they COULD be if scouts weren't sleeping while their games were on.

[GOO]

For marginal players there is an advantage to playing in the Big East and conferences with teams in NBA cities.  Look at the BC, how often a GM and/or scout is there because their team is in town, even if they are not at the MU game to see a particular player. It is simply a matter of convenience. it may not be a big deal, but it may provide some added exposure.

If Lee played on MU, GM's and scouts will be in attendance to see Henry.  However, it often won't be a special trip to see Henry, and Lee is likely to get more exposure as a GM or Scout shows us simply because he happens to be in the same city as the Marq game on that day.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

For marginal players there is an advantage to playing in the Big East and conferences with teams in NBA cities.  Look at the BC, how often a GM and/or scout is there because their team is in town, even if they are not at the MU game to see a particular player. It is simply a matter of convenience. it may not be a big deal, but it may provide some added exposure.

If Lee played on MU, GM's and scouts will be in attendance to see Henry.  However, it often won't be a special trip to see Henry, and Lee is likely to get more exposure as a GM or Scout shows us simply because he happens to be in the same city as the Marq game on that day.

Theoretically, I understand that playing at certain schools and certain conferences MIGHT offer a SLIGHT advantage.

I get it.

The problem is that Heisenberg likes to state factually that the Pac12 is at some sort of huge disadvantage, and no player in his right mind would chose AZ over MU if he wanted to go pro.

That doesn't make any sense, because on the whole, it seems like plenty of players from the Pacific timezone have been drafted over the years.

Also, we haven't even touched on the pre-draft camps where players who might not have gotten enough exposure can go get noticed.

So, I understand that going to MU compared to Southwest Wyoming State might be an advantage, I'm not sure that MU vs AZ is really the same thing.

[4everwarriors]

Association scouts put heavy emphasis on individual workouts with their team or 5 on 5 games against other potential draftees. They don't really give a chit if ya score 30 vs. Twisted Sister U., hey?

[brewcity77]

In the past 20 years, Arizona has had 10 players drafted in the lottery and 26 players drafted overall. In that time, only 5 drafts have occurred without a player from Arizona being drafted. Safe to say NBA scouts have no problem finding players from Arizona if they are good enough.

[wadesworld]

In the past 20 years, Arizona has had 10 players drafted in the lottery and 26 players drafted overall. In that time, only 5 drafts have occurred without a player from Arizona being drafted. Safe to say NBA scouts have no problem finding players from Arizona if they are good enough.

They must've played their NCAA Tournament games on the East coast other than the 5 years that there were no Arizona players drafted, though.

[oldwarrior81]

how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?

I come up with;  Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado

[wadesworld]

how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?

I come up with;  Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado

Exactly.

[Tugg Speedman]

Theoretically, I understand that playing at certain schools and certain conferences MIGHT offer a SLIGHT advantage.

I get it.

The problem is that Heisenberg likes to state factually that the Pac12 is at some sort of huge disadvantage, and no player in his right mind would chose AZ over MU if he wanted to go pro.

That doesn't make any sense, because on the whole, it seems like plenty of players from the Pacific timezone have been drafted over the years.

Also, we haven't even touched on the pre-draft camps where players who might not have gotten enough exposure can go get noticed.

So, I understand that going to MU compared to Southwest Wyoming State might be an advantage, I'm not sure that MU vs AZ is really the same thing.

never said factually, all my opinion.

Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast.  That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.

I thought it was generally understood that basketball is a Midwest/east coast "slanted" game (both college and NBA) and the closer one is to the power center, the better they are.

[wadesworld]

never said factually, all my opinion.

Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast.  That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.

I thought it was generally understood that basketball is a Midwest/east coast "slanted" game (both college and NBA) and the closer one is to the power center, the better they are.

1) Seth Curry is nowhere near an NBA MVP.

2) NBA voting and any potential biases about where a player plays is a completely different situation than an NBA team drafting a player.  An NBA team isn't going to favor one player who plays at UCLA but take a player whose game they like less because he played at Florida.

[Tugg Speedman]

how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?

I come up with;  Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado

Since the bar was set at 30 minutes, the answer is 3 of the 12 teams in the Pac-12.  None play in NBA arenas.

Arizona State - 11 miles (18 minutes) to Suns Arena
UCLA - 14.2 miles (35 minutes) to Staples Center
USC - 2.3 miles (8 minutes) to Staples Center
Stanford - 28.3 miles (41 minutes) to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Cal - 14.7 miles (33 minutes) to to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Oregon State - 86 miles (1 1/2 hours) to Portland Trailblazers arena
Utah - 2.8 miles (11 minutes) to Utah Jazz)
Colorado - 26.7 miles (40 minutes) to Denver Nuggets Arena

Using the same criteria, how many Big East teams are within 30 minutes of an NBA team?  Answer, 7 with 4 playing in NBA arenas.

MU (NBA Arena)
St. Johns (NBA Arena)
Nova (NBA Arena)
Georgetown (NBA Arena)
Seton Hall
Butler
Depaul

More than 30 minutes
Providence
Xavier
Creighton

[GGGG]

I really am having trouble figuring out of Heisentroll really believes the stuff he types, or if he is simply trying to be a Murffesque contrarian.

[Tugg Speedman]

I really am having trouble figuring out of Heisentroll really believes the stuff he types, or if he is simply trying to be a Murffesque contrarian.

Smart man