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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Pakuni on April 12, 2015, 01:52:23 PM
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That's some pretty heady company Wojo is running with.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Damion Lee, arguably most coveted transfer in country, told ESPN has narrowed list to Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette, Maryland.
http://collegebasketball.scout.com/story/1536828-lee-narrows-list-to-five?s=196
Damion Lee, who averaged 21.4 points a game last year for Drexel, cut his list of schools to five.
Damion Lee, one of the top available graduate transfers, informed Scout that he has cut his list down to five schools. The finalists include Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette and Maryland.
“With all of them it's mainly the fit,” Lee explained. “It's a goal I set for myself and what I want to accomplish for myself in the next year. All the schools meet the criteria. Those are the five main ones.”
Lee told Scout what he likes about each of the five:
Arizona: “They have a great coaching staff. They have some good guards that are coming in and that have been there. Just the experience and playing in the PAC-12, which is a free flowing league that is guard heavy. They have an open offense.”
Gonzaga: “They possibly have the best frontcourt in the nation with [Domantas] Sabonis and [Przemek] Karnowski and they lost all three of their guards this past year. Once again, they made it to the tournament and have a great coaching staff with coach [Mark] Few.”
Louisville: “Playing in arguably best conference in the ACC. Of course playing for coach [Rick] Pitino, he’s a Hall of Fame coach. The guys they are bringing, they are looking pretty good in the ACC.”
Marquette: “Wojo is a great guy and a great coach. Playing in the Big East, they are supposed to be really good this year with Henry Ellenson coming in. He’s a top five player. Luke Fischer is coming in and he’s a good big man. They have some talented freshman in.”
Maryland: “They have Melo [Trimble] and Jake [Layman] coming back and Diamond Stone coming in and the transfer Rob Carter that sat out last year. Playing in the Big Ten and they should be preseason ranked. All these teams should be preseason ranked top 25. They have pretty good point guard play too.”
Lee has already set visits to Arizona (April 17-19) and Louisville (19-21). Lee told Scout that he’s not sure when he’ll make his college choice.
“I was thinking sometime in May,” he said. “I haven’t really put a definite stamp on on it. I’m thinking at the beginning of May, which gives myself the chance to take visits and see how it feels at these schools.”
Lee, a 6-foot-6 wing, is eligible to play next season.
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Those are some big boy schools. Go get em Wojo. I feel like a screen name change is in order.
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Baltimore Mojo, a'nia?
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God. I really don't like our odds up against that. I figured maryland but jeez it really is a power house list.
Great on Wojo making it on his final list though.
Still praying for a miracle!!
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God. I really don't like our odds up against that. I figured maryland but jeez it really is a power house list.
Great on Wojo making it on his final list though.
Still praying for a miracle!!
We can offer playing time. Not sure how much others can offer in that regard.
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We can offer playing time. Not sure how much others can offer in that regard.
True.
While actually all of them really can. Gonzaga lost 3 guards. Zona their starting 2 and 3. UL lost Rozier and jones(gained lewis) and maryland lost wells.
Our situation allows him to clearly be "the guy" and basically play as much as humanly possible. The rest have obvious starting spot for a guy like him. But maybe not as much usage and ability to showcase himself.
Either way, great that wojo made the final 5.
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Sounds like he's done his homework on MU. And correct me if I'm wrong ... I don't recall recruits (grad transfers or high school players ) talking about other players this much. Agree?
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Sounds like he's done his homework on MU. And correct me if I'm wrong ... I don't recall recruits (grad transfers or high school players ) talking about other players this much. Agree?
Yeah its actually impressive how much he said about each team.
I realize all players research the situation but I definitely don't see one give this in depth of answers about all their finalists.
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Also Zona fans at least clearly think they know something.
Say hes a lock when Johnson ultimately decides to leave
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It is indeed heady company but that's exCtly where we want to be. Win anew if these and look out! Marquette has done well featuring graduate transfer so he could fit in nicely and with a great front court and very good guards supporting. Nice fit really.
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We can offer playing time. Not sure how much others can offer in that regard.
Hes a one year player. Everyone is offering him playing time.
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Also Zona fans at least clearly think they know something.
Say hes a lock when Johnson ultimately decides to leave
They are the one to beat imo. Just a great atmosphere at UA all around. If Miller really wants him they will be tough to beat out. I do like that Wojo is slugging with the big boys though.
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I think the difference with MU is that Lee can be "the guy" right away. Yes were getting Ellenson and I do think he will be a fantastic player but he's still going to be a Freshman. Hypothetical here, if MU lands Lee where does that put us for next year's postseason? I'd put us as a 6 seed.
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I think the difference with MU is that Lee can be "the guy" right away. Yes were getting Ellenson and I do think he will be a fantastic player but he's still going to be a Freshman. Hypothetical here, if MU lands Lee where does that put us for next year's postseason? I'd put us as a 6 seed.
O yeah I think a 6 forsure and that is before any possible addition at the 4.
But Zona fans are saying it's literally being reported he's coming to Zona.
They are his first scheduled visit...damn.
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Yeah its actually impressive how much he said about each team.
I realize all players research the situation but I definitely don't see one give this in depth of answers about all their finalists.
Yeah, and the other thing that struck me is that the article implies a more personal relationship with Wojo as compared to the other teams... Clearly I'm judging this on just a few words, but he went as far as to say Wojo is a "great guy" in addition to his coaching.
Wojo overall has done a hell of a job putting a personal touch on his recruiting. Even without the quote in this article, it's pretty clear he is continuing that trend. I think he relates to kids very well.
That said, I'd choose Tucson if I was in Damion's position. Great program and fun college town feel in a bigger city. With him they'd have to be considered one of the favorites for next year. Hopefully, he's more interested in the underdog story and playing for Wojo.
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Hes a one year player. Everyone is offering him playing time.
You sure about that? He comes to MU, he probably gets 25 mpg minimum. That's going to be offered elsewhere?
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None of his finalists are likely to win the NCAA next year. Arizona and Louisville on paper seem to be able to go the deepest. Marquette and Maryland have good classes coming in. All of us play in great conferences.
Therefore, the question is which school gives him his last best chance to prep for an NBA career. I'd like to think us, but the smart money would likely be on Arizona or Louisville.
Here's hoping I lose… big!
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When does Luke Fischer arrive on campus?
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The comment about Fischer was the only fault I could see in his "research" which I suspect was basically just listening to what coaches told him. I bet after the article came out, someone from Marquette contacted him to correct what he said about Luke.
I'm not feeling confident at all about this. Marquette probably has 30 minutes a game for him to realistically expect (unless practice reveals some defensive lapses to clean up.) The problem is he's banking on a big year to boost him in the draft and if he goes to Marquette that's going to ride on a freshman point guard who didn't make the top 100. Is Traci Carter better than his ranking? Probably, but that's an unknown that I would exploit, if I was recruiting against MU.
TAMU Eagle - I'm thinking that my 1 in 7 chance isn't looking weak as a prediction right now.
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The comment about Fischer was the only fault I could see in his "research" which I suspect was basically just listening to what coaches told him. I bet after the article came out, someone from Marquette contacted him to correct what he said about Luke.
I'm not feeling confident at all about this. Marquette probably has 30 minutes a game for him to realistically expect (unless practice reveals some defensive lapses to clean up.) The problem is he's banking on a big year to boost him in the draft and if he goes to Marquette that's going to ride on a freshman point guard who didn't make the top 100. Is Traci Carter better than his ranking? Probably, but that's an unknown that I would exploit, if I was recruiting against MU.
TAMU Eagle - I'm thinking that my 1 in 7 chance isn't looking weak as a prediction right now.
I don't think we will always have a standard PG floor general on the floor. From what we've seen I think Wojo prefers an offense where everyone is capable of passing and shares that role. Derrick was relegated to a passing-only role in his career but mainly because he wasn't good at anything else.
If Duane can improve his decision-making I'm not sure that Wojo absolutely must insert a weaker player into the lineup in order for us to fill the standard PG, SG, SF, PF, C.
That said, if Traci proves he is the next best guard and he can make good decisions, it would be great to have him in the lineup consistently.
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2011-12 CAA Rookie of the Year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMocfaQe5QM
2014 post-knee surgery (sustained vs Zona!) interview
https://vimeo.com/114052510
Kid is gonna be a great get if he commits to MU!
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I don't think we will always have a standard PG floor general on the floor. From what we've seen I think Wojo prefers an offense where everyone is capable of passing and shares that role. Derrick was relegated to a passing-only role in his career but mainly because he wasn't good at anything else.
If Duane can improve his decision-making I'm not sure that Wojo absolutely must insert a weaker player into the lineup in order for us to fill the standard PG, SG, SF, PF, C.
That said, if Traci proves he is the next best guard and he can make good decisions, it would be great to have him in the lineup consistently.
Yeah like I've said before. Hypothetically if we have Lee and Carter isn't ready for full time minutes. I think wojo is A ok with having guys like Lee, Duane and even JJJ split the half court duties. All 3 are fully capable of driving and making plays. And in the case of Duane and Lee at least you can't sag off.
Also worth noting. I don't think wojo has shown any interest in Williams-Goss from Washington. Might be that he really believes in Traci.
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People are getting ahead of themselves........Still a long shot that MU gets him....just a bit less of a long shot now.
Lets hope Wojo can get him to visit.......
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People are getting ahead of themselves........
Who? I don't see many optimistic statements in this thread.
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People are getting ahead of themselves........Still a long shot that MU gets him....just a bit less of a long shot now.
Lets hope Wojo can get him to visit.......
Yeah I don't think any of us believe we really have much of a shot.
That's when I thought he was going to maryland.
Now that I hear Zona is the favorite....FML
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I think we have a better shot than 65-70 of the schools that contacted him ;)
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R-E-L-A-X
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None of his finalists are likely to win the NCAA next year. Arizona and Louisville on paper seem to be able to go the deepest. Marquette and Maryland have good classes coming in. All of us play in great conferences.
Therefore, the question is which school gives him his last best chance to prep for an NBA career. I'd like to think us, but the smart money would likely be on Arizona or Louisville.
Here's hoping I lose… big!
Maryland would be one of my top 3 or 4 teams in the country. If they get this kid and he is as good as his numbers I might make them the favorite.
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R-E-L-A-X
respect the process?
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respect the process?
That too.
We have a chance.
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We need to convince that he will be the man for us.
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We need to convince that he will be the man for us.
Well, considering that he already knows a top 10 player in Henry will be there, that will be tough. Its been known that Henry expects to be the man next year...
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If I were him, and my priority was winning, I'd pick maryland. If I liked winning a lot and the campus being a big factor as well, I'd pick Zona. If I was living a new life after already attending MU, I'd pick Marquette. I'm not particularly optimistic on this front.
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R-E-L-A-X
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I'm hearing that he's going to pick Marquette. for what it's worth.
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Also Zona fans at least clearly think they know something.
Say hes a lock when Johnson ultimately decides to leave
Welcome to recruiting against blue bloods. Zona fans don't know jack. They just assume that they get every player that they want.
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TAMU Eagle - I'm thinking that my 1 in 7 chance isn't looking weak as a prediction right now.
It's still too low. 1 in 3, IMHO. Never underestimate the power of coaching relationships.
FWIW, I'm more scared of Louisville than I am Arizona.
Sic 'em Wojo!
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I'm hearing that he's going to pick Marquette. for what it's worth.
I'm feeling somewhat confident about our chances with him.
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Yeah, and the other thing that struck me is that the article implies a more personal relationship with Wojo as compared to the other teams... Clearly I'm judging this on just a few words, but he went as far as to say Wojo is a "great guy" in addition to his coaching.
Wojo overall has done a hell of a job putting a personal touch on his recruiting. Even without the quote in this article, it's pretty clear he is continuing that trend. I think he relates to kids very well.
That said, I'd choose Tucson if I was in Damion's position. Great program and fun college town feel in a bigger city. With him they'd have to be considered one of the favorites for next year. Hopefully, he's more interested in the underdog story and playing for Wojo.
I've been to UofA many times. The campus is in a crappy part of town, The nice section of Tucson is a 20 minute drive from campus. It's Kenosha (UW Parkside) with nice weather.
Drexel is an urban campus (Philly, literally right next to Penn). And it snows in Philly (more than Milwaukee this last year). If Lee likes urban campuses and does not mind snow (is the answer yes, because he is going to Drexel now), then Louisville and MU are his finalists. If playing time matters, MU has more than Louisville.
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I've been to UofA many times. The campus is in a crappy part of town, The nice section of Tucson is a 20 minute drive from campus. It's Kenosha (UW Parkside) with nice weather.
Drexel is an urban campus (Philly, literally right next to Penn). And it snows in Philly (more than Milwaukee this last year). If Lee likes urban campuses and does not mind snow (is the answer yes, because he is going to Drexel now), then Louisville and MU are his finalists. If playing time matters, MU has more than Louisville.
I would think his biggest motivator would be to go where Scoopers went.
MU is a lock!
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I would think his biggest motivator would be to go where Scoopers went.
MU is a lock!
This sounds like the job of a Scoop letter writing campaign!!*
* Don't actually do that, it's an NCAA violation to contact him.
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If Lee likes urban campuses and does not mind snow (is the answer yes, because he is going to Drexel now), then Louisville and MU are his finalists. If playing time matters, MU has more than Louisville.
Louisville's top four in terms of minutes are gone. They have a promising young point guard and plenty of minutes available. I'm hoping for Lee, but UL's need is as big, maybe even bigger, than our own.
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Welcome to recruiting against blue bloods. Zona fans don't know jack. They just assume that they get every player that they want.
Absolutely. They definitely have a delusion about them thinking they got everyone in the bag. They also think they already have a better cast to join than maryland(blatant lie).
But saying they actually heard from sources and the confidence left me hesitant they weren't lying.
O well. We will see what happens.
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This sounds like the job of a Scoop letter writing campaign!!*
* Don't actually do that, it's an NCAA violation to contact him.
As I am not crazy, I would not orchestrate or participate in a letter-writing campaign to a college or high school kid, anyway.
I'm just hoping Wojo can get Lee in for a visit before he commits elsewhere. As we all know, Wojo gets plenty of coffee because he is a Closer Extraordinaire!!
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R-E-L-A-X
How many times your planning on posting this?
A message boards main purpose is discussion. It's what's going on here.
You need to R-E-L-A-X
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I'm hearing that he's going to pick Marquette. for what it's worth.
Lol where are you hearing things?
Gotta say this is just fun either way. Everyone is hearing things. Just glad we got a shot!!
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Lol where are you hearing things?
Gotta say this is just fun either way. Everyone is hearing things. Just glad we got a shot!!
Recruiting insider with lots of connections. He's not always right, but he tends to only pass on things from good sources.
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Recruiting insider with lots of connections. He's not always right, but he tends to only pass on things from good sources.
Awesome!!
That at least points towards us being legit in the running which is great in itself.
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He says we're going to be really good next year. I would think that means Wojo told him we're going to be good next year, which leads me to believe Wojo expects to be good next year.
I like that.
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How many times your planning on posting this?
A message boards main purpose is discussion. It's what's going on here.
You need to R-E-L-A-X
Remind yourself that I'm the one who first said we were in the running for Lee right before it started becoming public that we were talking to him. There *may* be more to R-E-L-A-X than just telling you to literally relax...
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-damion-lee-narrows-transfer-choices-to-five-schools-including-maryland-20150412-story.html
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Remind yourself that I'm the one who first said we were in the running for Lee right before it started becoming public that we were talking to him. There *may* be more to R-E-L-A-X than just telling you to literally relax...
Well that's good!!! Either way discussing the situation is something fans do. I enjoy it, so do others.
Until the Wild get underway in the playoffs not much else in the way of sports to focus on for me!
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As impressive as the Traci Carter recruitment was, getting this kid would be a legitimate coup. He could end up being a 4-5 win player for us if he comes.
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Well that's good!!! Either way discussing the situation is something fans do. I enjoy it, so do others.
Until the Wild get underway in the playoffs not much else in the way of sports to focus on for me!
Right. I don't mean to say don't discuss him and what his thought process may be, I just mean that just because programs like Arizona, Maryland, Louisville, and Gonzaga are in his final 5 doesn't mean we have no chance. We do.
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Mu feeling is that he for sure comes in and is the star or one of the them. Does he really want to go to Spokane? In the Big East you play on the East Coast alot, now Louisville and Maryland
might be a little different. He will not be the star at Maryland but could help them win a National Championship. Louisvlle just signed a transfer shooting point so that makes no sense, so it
will come down to MD. and MU?
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Mu feeling is that he for sure comes in and is the star or one of the them. Does he really want to go to Spokane? In the Big East you play on the East Coast alot, now Louisville and Maryland
might be a little different. He will not be the star at Maryland but could help them win a National Championship. Louisvlle just signed a transfer shooting point so that makes no sense, so it
will come down to MD. and MU?
It will come down to Marquette, Maryland, Louisville, Gonzaga, and Arizona.
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As impressive as the Traci Carter recruitment was, getting this kid would be a legitimate coup. He could end up being a 4-5 win player for us if he comes.
I sort of love this. It feels like every single new recruit becomes a new coup. First the coup was getting Henry in the late stages. Then finding a sleeper in Sacar and making a late surge. Then Carter in the late stages (and against some great odds like a recruiting ban in Philly). Now there is another legitimate coup possibility.
Say what you will about the x's and o's this year... Wojo sure does love to put the pedal to the metal on the recruiting front. He seems very methodical and very, very upfront.
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Say what you will about the x's and o's this year... Wojo sure does love to put the pedal to the metal on the recruiting front. He seems very methodical and very, very upfront.
A night and day approach from the two previous coaches. And that's not a knock, I am just impressed by how well Wojo identifies his targets and closes the deal.
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So no scoop name change campaign? Cmon now people.
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So no scoop name change campaign? Cmon now people.
Well I didn't change my name for Henry. I was late to the party. So I'll stick with superstitions.
But everyone else should!!
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So no scoop name change campaign? Cmon now people.
You know I'm in.
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Let's get this Ball Rollin' Wojo needs our Help Too!
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Best Damion since Dameon.
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Sure, Arizona has title aspirations, warm weather, and beautiful women......... but Marquette has fans willing to briefly change their screen names in honor of an incoming recruit! What else could a guy want?
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Best Damion since Dameon.
Sounds like an Omen.
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Done.
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Done.
In like Lee
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Best Damion since Dameon.
That's an outstanding name change.
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Oh, what the heck.
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Oh, what the heck.
It worked with Henry, why wouldn't it work here???? THE LOGIC IS UNASSAILABLE!!!
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So no scoop name change campaign? Cmon now people.
Why the hell not?
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Oh, what the heck.
That's a pretty solid name change too.
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Here's to Damion's legs be better than Lloyd's
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On the train
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Rope him in Wojo.
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That's a pretty solid name change too.
maybe go to 1337M?
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Small sacrifice for a player of his ilk
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Done deal TM
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In -- wearing my lucky socks until we hear more.
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In -- wearing my lucky socks until we hear more.
That could be roughly 3 weeks lol.
But I love the dedication
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That could be roughly 3 weeks lol.
But I love the dedication
That my friend is everyone else's problem
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In -- wearing my lucky socks until we hear more.
This may be the best name change so far
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This may be the best name change so far
+1
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I can't believe I'm doing this...but couldn't hurt.
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Sure.
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Let's do this.
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Arrrrrrrrrrrrrhhhhhh!
Dunks, time to break out the lucky Sonoran Salsa.
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It's a fairly simple choice, Mr. Lee.
Do you want to be a turtle? Or a wildkitty? Or an annoying songbird?
Or do you want to be a warrior?
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I'm in.
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Let's do this.
Done
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For what its worth, someone on twitter asked Jerry Meyer his prediction on Damion Lee and he simply said "Arizona". I don't know how much weight to put on this but it seems like a lot of people are saying Arizona. However, I haven't heard any specific reasons why Arizona is the perceived frontrunner. I think it may be a situation where everybody is saying Arizona because everybody is saying Arizona. I think his mind is far from made up. I hope we can get him on campus for a visit, and I still like our chances a lot.
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For what its worth, someone on twitter asked Jerry Meyer his prediction on Damion Lee and he simply said "Arizona". I don't know how much weight to put on this but it seems like a lot of people are saying Arizona. However, I haven't heard any specific reasons why Arizona is the perceived frontrunner. I think it may be a situation where everybody is saying Arizona because everybody is saying Arizona. I think his mind is far from made up. I hope we can get him on campus for a visit, and I still like our chances a lot.
Damn!!!!
Let's get him on campus
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For anyone with better knowledge...
Lee has scheduled 3 visits (Gonzaga, Arizona, and Louisville). And some in the Maryland community believe Lee could visit Maryland last. Where does MU fit in? Feel left out in the cold...
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Can't imagine why he would go to Marquette as a 5th year guy. Wouldn't make much sense, Marquette finished dead last in the big east. Lots of "ifs" involved to even make a run a the tourney.
I know Wojo wants to win now, but seems to me both sides would be better off with him elsewhere. I'd rather see Cheatham, Cohen, Anim, or JJJ progress in the wing position.
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Can't imagine why he would go to Marquette as a 5th year guy. Wouldn't make much sense, Marquette finished dead last in the big east. Lots of "ifs" involved to even make a run a the tourney.
I know Wojo wants to win now, but seems to me both sides would be better off with him elsewhere. I'd rather see Cheatham, Cohen, Anim, or JJJ progress in the wing position.
Well, for one thing Lee has done more researching on next season's Marquette team than you have. For two, no, we would not be better off without Lee, and for Lee we would be a very good fit/option.
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Can't imagine why he would go to Marquette as a 5th year guy. Wouldn't make much sense, Marquette finished dead last in the big east. Lots of "ifs" involved to even make a run a the tourney.
I know Wojo wants to win now, but seems to me both sides would be better off with him elsewhere. I'd rather see Cheatham, Cohen, Anim, or JJJ progress in the wing position.
That's just a ridiculous statement to write.
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For anyone with better knowledge...
Lee has scheduled 3 visits (Gonzaga, Arizona, and Louisville). And some in the Maryland community believe Lee could visit Maryland last. Where does MU fit in? Feel left out in the cold...
Obviously schools hope to change his plans when he visits them, but from what I understand Lee plans to visit all five and decide in May.
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Obviously schools hope to change his plans when he visits them, but from what I understand Lee plans to visit all five and decide in May.
+1. As always, thanks a bunch brewcity
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Let's face it, the items on his list in choosing a school are probably different than a typical freshman player and probably go something like this:
1. Who will help me get exposure to NBA scouts and who will feature me and allow me to show what I can do to highlight my skills for NBA scouts.
2. Repeat 1.
3. Which team and coaching staff do I trust to do number 1.
4. Who will help me develop my skills to showcase for the NBA.
5. Where am I essentially guaranteed of getting time and being featured as a scorer.
6. Where will I enjoy myself for 9 or 10 months of my life and feel comfortable with the team and staff.
He may end up at AZ, but I doubt his decision will be made on the AZ sites and weather. Not for a 5th year senior that wants to show off what he can do for the NBA.
We can sell the development, playing time, and playing before NBA scouts in NBA cities and the east coast and NY. Plus, he is almost guaranteed a lot of playing time if this allows Duane to play some 1 or if it allows Lee to play some 1.
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Let's face it, the items on his list in choosing a school are probably different than a typical freshman player and probably go something like this:
1. Who will help me get exposure to NBA scouts and who will feature me and allow me to show what I can do to highlight my skills for NBA scouts.
2. Repeat 1.
3. Which team and coaching staff do I trust to do number 1.
4. Who will help me develop my skills to showcase for the NBA.
5. Where am I essentially guaranteed of getting time and being featured as a scorer.
6. Where will I enjoy myself for 9 or 10 months of my life and feel comfortable with the team and staff.
He may end up at AZ, but I doubt his decision will be made on the AZ sites and weather. Not for a 5th year senior that wants to show off what he can do for the NBA.
We can sell the development, playing time, and playing before NBA scouts in NBA cities and the east coast and NY. Plus, he is almost guaranteed a lot of playing time if this allows Duane to play some 1 or if it allows Lee to play some 1.
If your goal is to play one season to increase your exposure to NBA execs/scouts, The Big East is the way to go. You will play in more NBA arenas in the BE than any other conference. Simply put, in the BE you go to the NBA and make it easy for them. In the Pac-12, they have to get on a long plane flight to see you.
If you go to AZ, what happens when you put up a big night against Washington State in front of no NBA scouts starting at 11PM ET when NBA execs are going to bed and not watching?
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It's easy to see Wojo's sales pitch. Lee would start on the wing and could realistically be our 1st or 2nd leading scorer. Duane and Luke have proven to be double digit scorers and Henry is a top 10 recruit. Add Lee and that's a strong core of four starters. I'd expect an NCAA bid with that group.
Maryland has the home state appeal and the best roster to advance far in March but he could get lost in the shuffle behind Melo Trimble, Robert Carter, Diamond Stone, etc.
Arizona loses a lot so I'm not sure they go Elite 8 again though he'd have a featured role.
Gonzaga and Louisville have playing time and decent talent but both lose a lot as well.
Lee would start for any of his five finalists but I think Louisville, Gonzaga and Arizona have as many questions as Marquette does. Who are the PG for Zona and Zaga going to be? Louisville's frontcourt is in flux. The competition is steep but there is a long way to go before a decision is made. I'm not ready to concede defeat. Sic 'em Wojo!
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I'd love to get Lee. He wouldn't have put MU in his final 5 if he wasn't interested.
We can offer things the others cannot. Louisville scares me in that regard.
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Can't imagine why he would go to Marquette as a 5th year guy. Wouldn't make much sense, Marquette finished dead last in the big east. Lots of "ifs" involved to even make a run a the tourney.
I know Wojo wants to win now, but seems to me both sides would be better off with him elsewhere. I'd rather see Cheatham, Cohen, Anim, or JJJ progress in the wing position.
Repeat after me:
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Now that you understand that, understand that we need to do everything in our power to win next year. And given that we have only 5 returning players, we are able to get a win now guy and get future rotation players.
The big splash of landing a recruit like Henry, only matters if you win with him. I don't want this to be our Larry Hughes or worse, our Noah Vonleh.
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I think geography will play a bigger role than a lot of people think. I think Arizona and Gonzaga are both tough sells. Keep in mind where Lee comes from. He is from Baltimore city, went to Drexel who's campus in Philly geographically is extremely similar to Marquette's. I come from the city on the East coast and I could NEVER picture myself going to Arizona. The desert is pretty unappealing to me, and I love/need an urban environment. Obviously everyone is different, but some people think that Arizona is a no brainer because of its location and because its warm there. I think it's location could be the biggest negative for UofA. He is going to be at his new school for 1 year, I'm assuming he wants to go to a place where he can feel comfortable right away. Also, Arizona and Gonzaga get minimal exposure because they play most of their games late at night, especially for east coast viewers, and there are a lot of bad teams in the pac12, and the Zags always play a relatively weak schedule.
Louisville and Maryland make sense geographically, but at Maryland he will play sidekick to Melo Trimble in the backcourt. Louisville has added a few perimeter guys and they just signed the high-scoring guard from Cleveland State. And Arizona always reloads and he will just fit in there as a role player.
At Marquette, he will be our go to scorer. He will be like Carlino this year but I think a better all around scorer. I see him playing over 30mins a game at MU and scoring in the high teens in ppg. He will have enough of a supporting cast here to make us really competitive, but also a void on the wing were he can get all the shots/mins he needs. I think it would make a lot of sense for him to come here, be a leader, and lead us to the tourney and beyond.
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If your goal is to play one season to increase your exposure to NBA execs/scouts, The Big East is the way to go. You will play in more NBA arenas in the BE than any other conference. Simply put, in the BE you go to the NBA and make it easy for them. In the Pac-12, they have to get on a long plane flight to see you.
If you go to AZ, what happens when you put up a big night against Washington State in front of no NBA scouts starting at 11PM ET when NBA execs are going to bed and not watching?
Sorry, but I'm fairly confident in saying that if there is a player that is worthy of being on an NBA scout's/GM's radar, the scout/GM will make sure he sees the player play regardless of where the player is playing. Whether it is East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or overseas, the GM/scout will see the player play. It's a scout's and GM's profession. It's what those people are paid to do. They aren't going to ignore a player simply because it's past their bedtime and too many mileage points to make it to a player's game to scout him.
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Maybe Traci Carter is the lead recruiter!
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If your goal is to play one season to increase your exposure to NBA execs/scouts, The Big East is the way to go. You will play in more NBA arenas in the BE than any other conference. Simply put, in the BE you go to the NBA and make it easy for them. In the Pac-12, they have to get on a long plane flight to see you.
If you go to AZ, what happens when you put up a big night against Washington State in front of no NBA scouts starting at 11PM ET when NBA execs are going to bed and not watching?
Agreed. There have been countless Wildcats who were likely going to be drafted, but the scouts simply don't stay up late enough to see them play. Same for UCLA.
It's really a sad situation for those kids. I hope the NCAA can somehow make a rule change to help these kids out. Maybe all PAC games have to start at 8pm EST?
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Sorry, but I'm fairly confident in saying that if there is a player that is worthy of being on an NBA scout's/GM's radar, the scout/GM will make sure he sees the player play regardless of where the player is playing. Whether it is East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or overseas, the GM/scout will see the player play. It's a scout's and GM's profession. It's what those people are paid to do. They aren't going to ignore a player simply because it's past their bedtime and too many mileage points to make it to a player's game to scout him.
You give these scouts and NBA teams way too much credit. It far easier to get their attention playing in Philly, NY (twice), DC, and Chicago than Washington Oregon, Colorado and AZ
MU us going to pack the place with scouts to see Henry. Lee will be on the floor as well.
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Sorry, but I'm fairly confident in saying that if there is a player that is worthy of being on an NBA scout's/GM's radar, the scout/GM will make sure he sees the player play regardless of where the player is playing. Whether it is East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or overseas, the GM/scout will see the player play. It's a scout's and GM's profession. It's what those people are paid to do. They aren't going to ignore a player simply because it's past their bedtime and too many mileage points to make it to a player's game to scout him.
Lee is not worthy, if he was he would be gone to the NBA this year. They are not going to send scouts to Gonzaga because he might be worthy. He has to show it first, then they have to read about him on college basketball sites and then they will go see him. You think these guys are more sophisticated than this? Please.
In the meantime, Henry is his best ticket. Scouts will go to MU games to see Henry and Lee will be on the floor with him.
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Can't imagine why he would go to Marquette as a 5th year guy. Wouldn't make much sense, Marquette finished dead last in the big east. Lots of "ifs" involved to even make a run a the tourney.
I know Wojo wants to win now, but seems to me both sides would be better off with him elsewhere. I'd rather see Cheatham, Cohen, Anim, or JJJ progress in the wing position.
As my good friend Mr. Mackey always says
Drugs are bad mmmkay
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Repeat after me:
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Now that you understand that, understand that we need to do everything in our power to win next year. And given that we have only 5 returning players, we are able to get a win now guy and get future rotation players.
The big splash of landing a recruit like Henry, only matters if you win with him. I don't want this to be our Larry Hughes or worse, our Noah Vonleh.
This. If Henry's career at MU = Vonleh's at IU (1 season, near the bottom of the conference, no tournament) his impact on the program will be minimal.
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I don't think you're right, I don't think you're right, I don't think you're right
Henry is not the kind of dominant low post Big Man that will be a lottery pick based on potential alone. With his game he would need to have a spectacular season to make the lottery as a freshman. it would also help for him to have a Wade type tournament but its unlikely that even if MU makes the tourney they will be playing past the first weekend.
H.E. does not have the kind of family or entourage that is going to encourage him to jump early. Its just a fact that his background so different than the typical kid trying to jump quickly into the NBA. Unless he really hates school which there are no indications he will, he will play at least until his brother graduates and I think there is a fair chance he plays through junior year like Dekker.
I'm all for win right away and I'm sure the staff is to but I think your odds of him leaving a way to high.
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Lee is not worthy, if he was he would be gone to the NBA this year. They are not going to send scouts to Gonzaga because he might be worthy. He has to show it first, then they have to read about him on college basketball sites and then they will go see him. You think these guys are more sophisticated than this? Please.
In the meantime, Henry is his best ticket. Scouts will go to MU games to see Henry and Lee will be on the floor with him.
No.
The truth is, while scouts don't always get everything correct, it's unlikely that his exposure will be significantly hurt by any of the 5 schools he's looking at.
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Although the "hometown connection" certainly goes in favor of Maryland, the fact that Wojo is a Baltimore guy as well is one that I didn't think of initially but may be important going forward. Just another positive in regards to the coaching staff.
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You give these scouts and NBA teams way too much credit. It far easier to get their attention playing in Philly, NY (twice), DC, and Chicago than Washington Oregon, Colorado and AZ
MU us going to pack the place with scouts to see Henry. Lee will be on the floor as well.
Come on, weak argument. If you are a good player, they will find you. BTW, how has it impacted Arizona?
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Fyi, Draft Express has Ellenson as the #5 pick already.
Wally will be graduating next year as well. Sit in class or make a pro rated $3 mill per year and fulfill a dream. Let's enjoy "HENBA" while we have him.
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Come on, weak argument. If you are a good player, they will find you. BTW, how has it impacted Arizona?
Right. Last year's first round alone included players from Australia, Croatia, Bosnia, Brazil, Switzerland and Serbia. Maybe 40 years ago where you played made a difference but today playing in the Pacific time zone is not going to negatively impact anyone's draft status. Besides, I'm pretty sure there are several NBA teams (and scouts) on the west coast.
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If your goal is to play one season to increase your exposure to NBA execs/scouts, The Big East is the way to go. You will play in more NBA arenas in the BE than any other conference. Simply put, in the BE you go to the NBA and make it easy for them. In the Pac-12, they have to get on a long plane flight to see you.
If you go to AZ, what happens when you put up a big night against Washington State in front of no NBA scouts starting at 11PM ET when NBA execs are going to bed and not watching?
So, if you're a scout for an NBA team, you don't have to do your job if it interferes with your bed time?
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Sorry, but I'm fairly confident in saying that if there is a player that is worthy of being on an NBA scout's/GM's radar, the scout/GM will make sure he sees the player play regardless of where the player is playing. Whether it is East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, or overseas, the GM/scout will see the player play. It's a scout's and GM's profession. It's what those people are paid to do. They aren't going to ignore a player simply because it's past their bedtime and too many mileage points to make it to a player's game to scout him.
And then there's that tape thingy.
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Lee is not worthy, if he was he would be gone to the NBA this year. They are not going to send scouts to Gonzaga because he might be worthy. He has to show it first, then they have to read about him on college basketball sites and then they will go see him. You think these guys are more sophisticated than this? Please.
In the meantime, Henry is his best ticket. Scouts will go to MU games to see Henry and Lee will be on the floor with him.
I can guarantee you that NBA scouts have Lee on their radar. No doubt about it. They will be very intrigued to see how he plays at his new school given the step up in level of competition.
And you bring up Hank multiple times, but I guess players like Sobonis or Wiltjer for Gonzaga will bring no NBA scouts out to their games. That makes sense. Also, I guess Arizona will never play games near NBA teams' home bases, because UCLA and USC aren't in the Pac 12 and don't play right next door to the Lakers and Clippers. Also, I forgot that NBA GMs and scouts only go to college games that are played in their home arenas to scout college players. And that they live in their home arenas, so when a team like this past year's Marquette team is playing at home against Creighton we all know the Bucks are on high alert for that game.
You are flat out wrong. If a player is good enough to be on an NBA team's radar, the scout is going to go see them no matter where he is playing. If he's not, the scout isn't going to waste his time. It's as simple as that. No scout is going to miss out on an NBA player simply because their games were too late at night to stay up to watch or were too far away from them geographically. That is beyond silly.
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And then there's that tape thingy.
Then there is that, you are correct.
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The desert is pretty unappealing to me
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http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/)
Unless he stinks his freshman year he's gone. He's projected as a top 5 pick in next years draft as of right now. He's a one and done or it's bad news for Marquette, because he didn't come close to living up to his ranking.
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Repeat after me:
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Henry Ellenson is at least a 60% One and Done.
Now that you understand that, understand that we need to do everything in our power to win next year. And given that we have only 5 returning players, we are able to get a win now guy and get future rotation players.
The big splash of landing a recruit like Henry, only matters if you win with him. I don't want this to be our Larry Hughes or worse, our Noah Vonleh.
You've gone down....I like it. It was 99% about two months ago. :) I still think he is a 2 year player, but that's before I've seen him play against great competition. It was hard for me to judge how good he is going against the 5'10" 6'5" in high school that he clearly dominated.
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I know this is about Damion Lee BUT, found on Espn transfer list--Deandre Burnett, a scoring guard, who played for Miami, Fla.
last year. Averaged 7 pts. per game and 2 boards per game. Missed freshman season due to injury. Is 6-2- 191 and Marquette,
is one of four teams he mentioned. Others are USC, Ole Miss forgot other one. Not sure about when he graduates.
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Other teams are South Florida and LaSalle. Sounds like he was Redshirt FR last season.
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You've gone down....I like it. It was 99% about two months ago. :) I still think he is a 2 year player, but that's before I've seen him play against great competition. It was hard for me to judge how good he is going against the 5'10" 6'5" in high school that he clearly dominated.
I actually have no idea but I know that many people on this site respect Draft Express and some have name dropped Draft Express in the past ;) . They have him as the 5th pick. How many projected Top 5 return?
I just happen to think its foolish to assume he's here for year 2, that's not placing high expectations on him but rather preparing for what appears to be inevitable if everything stays on course.
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You've gone down....I like it. It was 99% about two months ago. :) I still think he is a 2 year player, but that's before I've seen him play against great competition. It was hard for me to judge how good he is going against the 5'10" 6'5" in high school that he clearly dominated.
I do not think he is a one and done. While he is athletic for a 6'10' high school player that advantage is virtually gone in the NBA. I will make my assessment based on whether he can play defense next year. Right now I have my doubts about him being able to defend an NBA player. He needs college to develop on the defensive end.
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Fyi, Draft Express has Ellenson as the #5 pick already.
Wally will be graduating next year as well. Sit in class or make a pro rated $3 mill per year and fulfill a dream. Let's enjoy "HENBA" while we have him.
Wally has two years of eligibility, not one. I would not be surprised to see Henry stay two years.
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Wally has two years of eligibility, not one. I would not be surprised to see Henry stay two years.
This.
I'm not saying he can't be a 1 and done, but unless he's a top 5 guarantee, I could see him coming back.
A lot of $ on the line, but it's a bit of a unique situation because of his family/location.
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Other teams are South Florida and LaSalle. Sounds like he was Redshirt FR last season.
He was a freshman RS. He'll have two years left to play after sitting out another year next year as a transfer.
From the Palm Beach Post:
"Burnett, 20, was instant offense off the bench last season, averaging 7 points and 2 rebounds in 17.4 minutes. He missed four games in November after spraining the MCL in his knee, but defensive issues and a disagreement with the coaching staff on his role put him on the bench more often than not during conference play. Burnett averaged 10.2 minutes in UM’s 18 ACC games, with ‘DNP’ in six.
Burnett, a Parade All-American in 2012 at Miami-Carol City High, arrived on campus after a postgraduate year at Massanutten (Va.) Military Academy. After suffering a wrist injury in an exhibition game his freshman year, he redshirted."
I'm thinking that MU can do better playing the guys we already have.
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1: Mitola (potential grad transfer from Dartmouth), Carter
2: Duane, JjJ, Cheatham
3: Lee, Sandy, Sacar
4: Henry, Wally
5: Luke, Heldt
Sorry. Just wanted to rosterbate for a second.
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Article on Mitola, and he sounds exactly like what we need... "potent long-range shooting, superior ballhandling and clutch play."
http://ivyhoopsonline.com/2015/04/07/alex-mitola-to-become-graduate-transfer-play-final-season-elsewhere/
Interesting quote from his coach though, he declined the opportunity to take the high road.
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I actually have no idea but I know that many people on this site respect Draft Express and some have name dropped Draft Express in the past ;) . They have him as the 5th pick. How many projected Top 5 return?
I just happen to think its foolish to assume he's here for year 2, that's not placing high expectations on him but rather preparing for what appears to be inevitable if everything stays on course.
I couldn't find the draft express mock from this time last year but I did find this 1...needless to say some hits and some big misses when you try to project this far out.....http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/28/4469180/nba-mock-draft-2014-andrew-wiggins
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Wally has two years of eligibility, not one. I would not be surprised to see Henry stay two years.
Unless he keeps progressing in the high jump and makes the Olympic or World Championship team.
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Sorry. Just wanted to rosterbate for a second.
Do that too much and you'll go blind, hey?
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And then there's that tape thingy.
Thanks ... I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Yes, this is why pro scouts, as a group, are terrible and teams are trying to "money-ball" them out of business. Scouts are underpaid and lazy and, as you suggest, are going to offer opinions on players to draft based on some Youtube videos or watching part of a game on TV. That is why pro scouts are over-rated
A scout is supposed to go to the game and watch the player, watch what he does on the bench, during time-outs and what he does without the ball (which you cannot see on tv). Then after the game, they chit-chat with the player in the hall next to the locker room. Scouts are supposed to go to several games, not spend a day to fly across the country for one game.
Again, Lee is not a draft prospect. If he was, he'd go this year. Do not assume he will start next year as a prospect. He has to play himself into that position. He's not listed on Draft Express for 2016.
As noted above, Draft express has Henry at #5 (lottery pick). Stone at #7 (also a lottery pick). Tarczewski of AZ is a second round prospect, Sabonis at Gonzaga is a mid first round prospect. Louisville has no draft prospects next year (for now).
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/list/
National sports reporters go to BE games because they are based in the cities the BE plays in. This is how Lee gets attention to get drafted. Get some good national press and play with a lottery pick that drags scouts/GM/national reporters in to watch MU. And play where it is easy for scouts (and GMs) come see you in person.
MU and Maryland best fit these criteria best. And to put it bluntly, Lee alone is not good enough to put a scout on a plane to the desert. Paring him with Tarczewski at AZ does not help. Scouts and GMs will go to the Garden and Pru center in NJ to see lottery pick prospect Henry and Lee can be on the floor with him.
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I couldn't find the draft express mock from this time last year but I did find this 1...needless to say some hits and some big misses when you try to project this far out.....http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/28/4469180/nba-mock-draft-2014-andrew-wiggins
Exactly why 2016 mock drafts are worthless right now. Andrew Harrison was projected 6th before playing a second of college ball. Two years later, he's now projected mid 2nd round to undrafted. Does Wojo need to prepare for the possibility that HE is one and done? Yes. Add some grad transfers like Damion Lee or Shonn Miller to go as far as you can next year. Have a contingency plan for the following year if HE is one and done. But for fans to say "HE is projected 5th so he will be one and done" is jumping the gun a bit. If HE is still projected 5th at this time next year, then we can all brace for his departure. But let's try not to get ahead of ourselves.
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Thanks ... I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Yes, this is why pro scouts, as a group, are terrible and teams are trying to go "money-ball" them out of business. Scouts are underpaid and lazy and so, as you suggest, they are going to offer opinions on players to draft based on some Youtube videos or watching part of a game on TV. That is why pro scouts are over-rated
A scout is supposed to go to the game and watch the player, watch what he does on the bench, during time-outs and what he does without the ball (which you cannot see on tv). Then after the game, they chit-chat with the player in the hall next to the locker room. Scouts are supposed to go to several games, not spend a day to fly across the country for one game.
Again, Lee is not a draft prospect. If he was, he'd go this year. Do not assume he will start next year as a prospect. He has to play himself into that position. He's not listed on Draft Express for 2016.
As noted above, Draft express has Henry at #5 (lottery pick). Stone at #7 (also a lottery pick). Tarczewski of AZ is a second round prospect, Sabonis at Gonzaga is a mid first round prospect. Louisville has no draft prospects next year (for now).
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/list/
National sports reporters go to BE games because they are based in the cities the BE plays in. This is how Lee gets attention to get drafted. Get some good national press and play with a lottery pick that drags scouts/GM/national reporters in to watch MU. And play where it is easy for scouts (and GMs) come see you in person.
MU and Maryland best fit these criteria best. And to put it bluntly, Lee alone is not good enough to put a scout on a plane to the desert. Paring him with Tarczewski at AZ does not help. Scouts and GMs will go to the Garden and Pru center in NJ to see lottery pick prospect Henry and Lee can be on the floor with him.
What about international players?
Also, by that logic, a disproportionate amount of ACC & Big 10 players should be drafted. Has that been the case? (Maybe it has, I'm not sure).
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1: Mitola (potential grad transfer from Dartmouth), Carter
2: Duane, JjJ, Cheatham
3: Lee, Sandy, Sacar
4: Henry, Wally
5: Luke, Heldt
Sorry. Just wanted to rosterbate for a second.
Any indication Mitola is considering MU?
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Any indication Mitola is considering MU?
I've only seen mid-majors mentioned with Mitola. I think Vandy was in there as well.
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What about international players?
Also, by that logic, a disproportionate amount of ACC & Big 10 players should be drafted. Has that been the case? (Maybe it has, I'm not sure).
This is why intentional players is such an "inefficient market." Teams can find real gems and speculator busts.
And yes, if college football is a regional sports (in the south) basketball is a regional sport of the Midwest and Northeast. That is why the ACC/BE/B1G plus Kentucky/Kansas larger dominate the sport.
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This is why intentional players is such an "inefficient market." Teams can find real gems and speculator busts.
And yes, if college football is a regional sports (in the south) basketball is a regional sport of the Midwest and Northeast. That is why the ACC/BE/B1G plus Kentucky/Kansas larger dominate the sport.
I think you're mixing together a couple of theories. I'll clarify.
I'm not asking who dominates college basketball, I'm saying that if scouting outside of the eastern timezone is as challenging as you say, there should be a disproportionate number of players drafted from the conferences out east simply because scouts are not awake while the other guys are playing out west, and therefore they have favorable views of players out east because they have seen them more (confirmation bias).
Can we prove that this actually happens?
Also, again, I haven't argued that the international game is scouted well, I'm pointing out that there are A LOT of international players drafted... so is it possible that not seeing them in person isn't actually hurting their draft prospects?
At the end of the day, playing at a major school in a major conference could help a player... but I think you're making it into far too big of an issue.
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I can guarantee you that NBA scouts have Lee on their radar.
No you cannot. Or he is on their radar the same 200 to 300 other guys are on their radar and only 64 get drafted. They are waiting for him to impress first and then will make time for him. They will not scout him on the assumption he works himself onto the draft lists. Definition of impress ... play well enough to get some good publicity and notice.
To be clear, I'm saying he cannot play well enough to get drafted. He very well can. But he starts the season where he is now, a European prospect.
Why is it everyone thinks NBA scouting is so efficient that a player is known and scouted properly no matter what and where you play does not matter. Then, in the next breath, when Dekker hits a couple of threes we all think that moves him up in the draft. Or when Okafor does not have a good game we think he needs another year in college?
If scouting was efficient, then after 37 college games this season, the NBA knows all they need to know about Dekker and Okafor and whether or not their last game or two was good or not should not matter. Fact is the last game they play does matter because it is a highly inexact science and where you play, who you play with and what attention you get matters. Yes, Pac-12 players have a disadvantage.
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Any indication Mitola is considering MU?
I really hope not. A 5'9 guy who shoots a lot. No thanks.
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Also, just because top-25 transfers aren't listed doesn't mean there aren't other guys further down the list that might be possibilities.
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- Galal Cancer, Cornell: Decent scorer and point for Cornell, if the staff is after Miller they certainly know about this guy too.
- Jordan Daniels, Drake: Recruited by Phelps and Nelson at Drake but never played for them. Numbers aren't spectacular, but can do a bit of everything you'd want and could be a good platoon point.
- Lonnie Jackson, Boston College: Can shoot and play point in a pinch, not spectacular but was a regular contributor in a high-major league for BC.
- Austin McBroom, St. Louis: Small, quick, good shooter. Could be another Maurice Acker type.
- Alex Mitola, Dartmouth: Can shoot, score, and distribute. Has already said he'd be willing to platoon or fight for minutes on a better team.
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Just because these guys aren't as sexy of names as Lee or Miller, or even guards like Tarrant or Smith, doesn't mean they couldn't be useful pieces. Looking at the roster next year, there are really two major needs. First is a guy who can rebound and score, someone like Lee or Miller. That definitely seems to be the top priority. Second is a guard that can handle some point duties and give an outside shot that at least deserves respect. With Tra and Duane in place, I'm guessing the hope is they will handle the bulk of ball-handling duties, but getting one of these guys to play 15-20 minutes or more in case of injury would be more than adequate looking at our needs.
Not everyone needs to be a star. If we get Lee or Miller, we will likely be putting four starters on the floor that are expected to get double-digit points in Duane, Lee/Miller, Henry, and Luke. Honestly, we might be better off with a situational shooter that is willing to defer than a true stud guard like Tarrant or Adam Smith.
Though personally, I would love Smith to come here and have a brilliant season, if for no other reason than the schadenfreude.
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Yes, Pac-12 players have a disadvantage.
How do we prove that?
Can we see if there is a disproportionate number of PAC 10 players drafted vs their high school rankings? vs Big East players drafted vs their high school rankings?
Would that do it?
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Also, just because top-25 transfers aren't listed doesn't mean there aren't other guys further down the list that might be possibilities.
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- Galal Cancer, Cornell: Decent scorer and point for Cornell, if the staff is after Miller they certainly know about this guy too.
Who would ever want a Cancer in the locker room?[/list]
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I can guarantee that Lee will have the opportunity to be on NBA radars next year. Scouts will be watching every team on his list. Maryland has Trimble, Layman, and Stone, all of whom will interest scouts. Sabonis will certainly get eyes at Gonzaga, and Karnowski might attract attention too. Louisville and Arizona may not have the top talent they usually do, but some of those guys (Mathiang, Snider, Trier, Tarczewski) will likely at least get some attention. And of course, we have Henry.
No idea if Lee will end up in the NBA or not. But no matter where he goes, he will have the opportunity to get noticed by the NBA, especially if he can put up 20+ in a high-major league (I have my doubts of that).
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How do we prove that?
Can we see if there is a disproportionate number of PAC 10 players drafted vs their high school rankings? vs Big East players drafted vs their high school rankings?
Would that do it?
In 2014, the Pac-12 had 3 players drafted in the lottery, 6 in the first round, and 9 overall.
In 2013, the Pac-12 had 0 players drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 7 overall.
In 2012, the Pac-12 had 1 player drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 3 overall.
Those are the three years in the current incarnation of the Pac-12. I'd say they're doing okay. Last year was a high-water mark, 2012 was a down year. All-in-all, if scouts are going to find you, I don't think playing in the Pac-12 will stop them.
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No you cannot. Or he is on their radar the same 200 to 300 other guys are on their radar and only 64 get drafted. They are waiting for him to impress first and then will make time for him. They will not scout him on the assumption he works himself onto the draft lists. Definition of impress ... play well enough to get some good publicity and notice.
To be clear, I'm saying he cannot play well enough to get drafted. He very well can. But he starts the season where he is now, a European prospect.
Why is it everyone thinks NBA scouting is so efficient that a player is known and scouted properly no matter what and where you play does not matter. Then, in the next breath, when Dekker hits a couple of threes we all think that moves him up in the draft. Or when Okafor does not have a good game we think he needs another year in college?
If scouting was efficient, then after 37 college games this season, the NBA knows all they need to know about Dekker and Okafor and whether or not their last game or two was good or not should not matter. Fact is the last game they play does matter because it is a highly inexact science and where you play, who you play with and what attention you get matters. Yes, Pac-12 players have a disadvantage.
Okay Heisenberg. Think what you want to. Think that NBA Scouts and GMs have never heard of Damion Lee and have no interest in watching him play next season...unless he's playing in the Bucks' stadium, in the Knicks' stadium, in the 76ers' stadium, and in the Wizards' stadium. Think that the 5th leading scorer in the country who has the measurables and skill set to be an NBA player is listing 5 high major programs to choose from to play for his senior season but that the only reason NBA scouts will become aware of him is because he's playing next to another NBA player in an NBA arena before their bedtime. Think there are no NBA teams west of the Central Time Zone. Think Scouts and GMs don't travel to see players play. Whatever you want. You can convince yourself of anything. You clearly don't have the slightest clue as to how it works, but that's never stopped you. Just like UIC is building a powerhouse, Jahlil is the best ever out of Chicago, Hank the top ever out of WI, etc.
Jahlil got "exposed" in the NCAA...to the tune of falling from a 50/50 chance of being the number 1 pick in the draft to a 40/60 chance of being the number 1 pick in the draft, and being no worse than number 3 pick in the NBA draft. It's all because this was the first time he was playing at a reasonable hour for NBA scouts to watch him, and what a fall he will have.
Think that Dekker played exactly how he had played throughout his entire career in this NCAA Tournament. He only averaged 20 ppg, when his junior year average was at 13 ppg. Think he didn't attack the rim more aggressively than he ever had, play in a more wide open game (like the NBA) against UNC and go off, etc. And to think, he jumped all of maybe 5 spots. Guess what? He wasn't going to be the 20th pick and then jump to 15th because the scouts were simply missing him until the NCAA Tournament put the light on him for the first time ever. He...showed more parts of his game that he had never shown before? Crazy. It's not a lack of scouting, it's an improvement in a player's game.
The lengths you go to get attention are bordering on Ners level.
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Okay Heisenberg. Think what you want to. Think that NBA Scouts and GMs have never heard of Damion Lee and have no interest in watching him play next season...unless he's playing in the Bucks' stadium, in the Knicks' stadium, in the 76ers' stadium, and in the Wizards' stadium. Think that the 5th leading scorer in the country who has the measurables and skill set to be an NBA player is listing 5 high major programs to choose from to play for his senior season but that the only reason NBA scouts will become aware of him is because he's playing next to another NBA player in an NBA arena before their bedtime.
Wow if he's that good, he should go pro this year.
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What kind of NBA "radar" was Jae on for the 2011 or 2102 drafts? What kind of radar was Jimmy on for the 2010 draft? They got onto the radar as seniors based on their performance and work ethic. It happens fairly often, especially for second-rounders. It certainly could happen for Lee if he proves he belongs.
ALSO: I don't know the answer to this, but maybe somebody does ...
Before they ever played a single college game, where were James McAdoo (ESPN's No. 6 recruit in 2011) and Cody Zeller (ESPN's No. 14 recruit in 2011) projected to go in 2012 mock drafts?
They were, like Henry, two multi-talented, 5-star bigs. Just curious.
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This was written by the Baltimore Sun so it has an obvious Maryland bias. If you can look past that, it has some interesting thoughts.
A closer look at the factors in Damion Lee's transfer decision
By Don Markus The Baltimore Sun
April 14, 2015 11:45AM
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/terps/tracking-the-terps/bal-damion-lee-transfer-decision-factors-20150413-story.html#page=1
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On Sunday, Drexel transfer Damion Lee (Calvert Hall) announced that he had cut his list of schools that he is still considering to five: Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette and Maryland.
Lee said there will be a number of factors to consider. Here is a closer look at how some of those factors line up with his potential future schools:
Winning a national championship
Based on last season’s performance and the projections looking ahead to 2015-16, four of the five schools on Lee’s list make some sense while one, Marquette, appears to be the outlier.
Maryland has been given 12-1 odds in Las Vegas to win a national championship, pretty heady stuff for a program that just made it back to the NCAA tournament for the first time in five years and only reached the Round of 32.
According to OddsShark, Gonzaga and Arizona are each 25-1 to win it all next year. Louisville is 33-1 and Marquette is 100-1.
Given the fact that Louisville coach Rick Pitino is the only one in the group to have been to a Final Four – Marquette’s Steve Wojciechowski did it as an assistant at Duke – that might help the Cardinals' chances of landing Lee. Sean Miller’s three Elite Eight appearances shouldn’t hurt the Wildcats.
Playing time
Lee has the confidence to believe he will get playing time wherever he goes, yet after being among the nation’s leaders in minutes played (more than 38 a game as a junior), you have to figure that he’s not going to want that number coming down dramatically.
For that reason, the Terps might have the toughest sell. Though Mark Turgeon had three starters last season average more than 30 minutes per game -- freshman point guard Melo Trimble averaged 33.5 -- the Maryland coach is hoping that the depth he is adding for next season will bring those numbers down.
Maryland definitely has a need for a guard with Lee’s size and skill set, not only on offense but at the defensive end. Neither Dion Wiley nor Jared Nickens are expected to be quite ready to assume the kind of role Dez Wells played the last couple of years. Lee is, and that would be Turgeon’s biggest selling point.
The favorite in the playing time category could be Gonzaga, which lost both point guard Kevin Pangos and shooting guard Byron Wesley and doesn’t have a whole lot coming in behind them.
At Marquette, Wojo signed four-star shooting guard Haanif Cheatham (No. 82 according to ESPN.com) but brings back only JaJuan Johnson at the position. Lee would likely get all the minutes he wants and all the shots he needs with the Golden Eagles.
Arizona signed five-star shooting guard Allonzo Trier (No. 15) and already has 2014 national junior player of the year Kadeem Allen ready to go after sitting out last season.
Looking to replace Chris Jones, who was kicked off the team during the season after being charged with rape, Louisville’s top-rated recruit is shooting guard Donovan Mitchell (No. 43). Louisville also added another graduate transfer, Cleveland State guard Trey Lewis, who is considered a scoring point guard (16.7 ppg this season) .
Exposure
It’s yet to be determined how many national television games Lee’s suitors will get next season, and how many NBA scouts will attend the team’s games. Based on the early hype, and the number of NBA prospects each team has, the Terps could tell Lee that his best chance to be seen – and scouted – would be in College Park.
In reality, it’s not even close.
Trimble will be a preseason All-American and could get some attention for preseason Big Ten Player of the Year, Diamond Stone was a McDonald’s All-American who according to most is a lottery pick next year, and former Georgia Tech standout Robert Carter Jr. has made CBS Sports' list as one of the five best transfers in the country. Add to that Jake Layman, who is currently No. 20 on DraftExpress.com’s 2016 mock draft list and you have a potential starting lineup of future pros.
Gonzaga has a trio of highly touted (and scouted) big men in Kyle Wiltjer, Domantas Sabonis and Przemek Karnowski (who still might declare for this year's draft).
Most of Arizona’s talent has left Tucson, and as good as Trier is, he’s not going to bring the attention Stanley Johnson did as a freshman last season.
Louisville, too, is more in reloading mode after losing Montrezl Harrell and Wayne Blackshear.
Marquette adds big man Henry Ellenson, who shared Wisconsin player of the year honors with Stone.
As far as television exposure, you have to figure that the Terps are going to be all over the ESPN (as well as CBS) as the Big Ten favorite. They’re going to be one of the marquee attractiions in both the Big Ten-ACC Challenge (can we please have a Maryland-Duke rematch?) as well as in the inaugural Gavitt Games between the Big Ten and Big East (can we please have a Maryland-Georgetown renewal?). The Terps also play Connecticut at Madison Square Garden.
Intangibles
In terms of Lee’s game, NBA scouts are basically looking at a blank canvas regardless of what he’s done at Drexel. One NBA executive told me that he was familiar with Lee, yet still not seen him play in person. One coach whose team faced Drexel called Lee “a poor man’s Reggie Miller,” though no one is expecting him to be a second-coming of the former Indiana Pacers star.
Lee prides himself on playing an all-around game and is an underrated defender. One of the things Wells did as a senior was taking on the role of shutdown perimeter defender, and by showing that skill, he might have played himself into the latter part of the NBA draft -- or, at the very least, getting a legitimate chance of making an NBA roster as a free agent.
There are plenty of mid-major scorers in the NBDL and in Europe; there are even big-time scorers from bigger conferences who never made a dent in the NBA. (Two players with local ties, former Miami star Jack McClinton and former Virginia Tech star Malcolm Delaney, come immediately to mind. Both are overseas). Antoine Mason, who led the nation in scoring with 25.6 points a game two years ago at Niagara, scored 14.4 a game on a bad Auburn team last season.
Lee's mother, Michelle Riddick, said recently in an interview with The Baltimore Sun that the graduate program her son picks has to give him a legitimate chance of getting a post-graduate degree. Of all the schools on his list, Maryland has the most experience with post-grads, most recently Richaud Pack and Evan Smotrycz last season.
Many believe that Maryland has to be a favorite given its sudden return to college basketball’s elite as well as its proximity to Baltimore, where Riddick works as a nurse and where Lee went to Calvert Hall. Both assert that Lee will go to the school that is “the best fit” and Riddick said that going whereever her son winds up won’t be difficult given how close she lives to BWI.
It’s easy to see that there are many different ways this can play out.
If Lee wants to be his team’s main scorer and play 35 minutes a game, he won’t be coming to Maryland.
If he wants have a chance to be one of the most talented teams in college basketball and have the possibility of playing deep into March -- not to mention get home for an occasional dinner -- he might.
don.markus@baltsun.com
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"If Lee wants to be his team’s main scorer and play 35 minutes a game, he won’t be coming to Maryland."
This.
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Thanks ... I was waiting for someone to bring this up.
Yes, this is why pro scouts, as a group, are terrible and teams are trying to "money-ball" them out of business. Scouts are underpaid and lazy and, as you suggest, are going to offer opinions on players to draft based on some Youtube videos or watching part of a game on TV. That is why pro scouts are over-rated
A scout is supposed to go to the game and watch the player, watch what he does on the bench, during time-outs and what he does without the ball (which you cannot see on tv). Then after the game, they chit-chat with the player in the hall next to the locker room. Scouts are supposed to go to several games, not spend a day to fly across the country for one game.
Again, Lee is not a draft prospect. If he was, he'd go this year. Do not assume he will start next year as a prospect. He has to play himself into that position. He's not listed on Draft Express for 2016.
As noted above, Draft express has Henry at #5 (lottery pick). Stone at #7 (also a lottery pick). Tarczewski of AZ is a second round prospect, Sabonis at Gonzaga is a mid first round prospect. Louisville has no draft prospects next year (for now).
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-mock-draft/2016/list/
National sports reporters go to BE games because they are based in the cities the BE plays in. This is how Lee gets attention to get drafted. Get some good national press and play with a lottery pick that drags scouts/GM/national reporters in to watch MU. And play where it is easy for scouts (and GMs) come see you in person.
MU and Maryland best fit these criteria best. And to put it bluntly, Lee alone is not good enough to put a scout on a plane to the desert. Paring him with Tarczewski at AZ does not help. Scouts and GMs will go to the Garden and Pru center in NJ to see lottery pick prospect Henry and Lee can be on the floor with him.
You are so factually incorrect it is absurd. Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes). Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player. They aren't going to get a list of potential NBA players and go visit every player in person. That's simply not possible. You get your list, watch video, cut your list down, and then go see players in person who you view as potential assets to your team. Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players, so talking about waiting outside the locker room and talking to them is once again beyond silly.
I also don't think you have a clue as to what it means to be on a team's radar. Just because you're on their radar does not mean they're ready and willing to offer you a contract. Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer are on NBA radars. You think they should go pro, but they wouldn't be drafted. NBA scouts are very aware of Damion Lee, and are intrigued to see what he does against tougher competition. You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year. Again, you simply just don't understand how it works, and it becomes more and more evident with every post you make.
And you think scouts are putting together their lists based on newspaper headlines. No wonder you post so many news articles on here. This just keeps getting funnier.
You say Tarzeski is listed as a mid first round pick but scouts won't go to the desert to see him play. Yeah, they're just going to blindly take him mid first round without every scouting him because draftexpress.com says he should go mid first round.
Please continue. This is good.
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You are so factually incorrect it is absurd. Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes). Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player. They aren't going to get a list of potential NBA players and go visit every player in person. That's simply not possible. You get your list, watch video, cut your list down, and then go see players in person who you view as potential assets to your team. Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players, so talking about waiting outside the locker room and talking to them is once again beyond silly.
I also don't think you have a clue as to what it means to be on a team's radar. Just because you're on their radar does not mean they're ready and willing to offer you a contract. Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer are on NBA radars. You think they should go pro, but they wouldn't be drafted. NBA scouts are very aware of Damion Lee, and are intrigued to see what he does against tougher competition. You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year. Again, you simply just don't understand how it works, and it becomes more and more evident with every post you make.
And you think scouts are putting together their lists based on newspaper headlines. No wonder you post so many news articles on here. This just keeps getting funnier.
You say Tarzeski is listed as a mid first round pick but scouts won't go to the desert to see him play. Yeah, they're just going to blindly take him mid first round without every scouting him because draftexpress.com says he should go mid first round.
Please continue. This is good.
From the story above ...
It’s yet to be determined how many national television games Lee’s suitors will get next season, and how many NBA scouts will attend the team’s games. Based on the early hype, and the number of NBA prospects each team has, the Terps could tell Lee that his best chance to be seen – and scouted – would be in College Park.
Seems to say something different from you. Because what it says above is TV appearance, getting scouts to your game which includes the number of prospects matters. Translation, Lee needs help to get people to games to see him. Lee needs to play where he is assessable to scouts. He is not a lottery pick that will demand people see him. Maybe playing in NBA towns and with other lottery picks mattered. If it did not, then stay at Drexel because playing at Drexel has him on all the scouts list (according to all the brainiacs here).
All I'm suggesting is their is an east coast bias in basketball. Everyone here agrees with this ... until this thread
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For what its worth, someone on twitter asked Jerry Meyer his prediction on Damion Lee and he simply said "Arizona". I don't know how much weight to put on this but it seems like a lot of people are saying Arizona. However, I haven't heard any specific reasons why Arizona is the perceived frontrunner. I think it may be a situation where everybody is saying Arizona because everybody is saying Arizona. I think his mind is far from made up. I hope we can get him on campus for a visit, and I still like our chances a lot.
The cristal bowel is a gimmick. Meyer has his good qualities, but also has to market his payday.
Looks like he was talking about someone else, anyway.. don't know who Damien Lee is.
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What kind of NBA "radar" was Jae on for the 2011 or 2102 drafts? What kind of radar was Jimmy on for the 2010 draft? They got onto the radar as seniors based on their performance and work ethic. It happens fairly often, especially for second-rounders. It certainly could happen for Lee if he proves he belongs.
ALSO: I don't know the answer to this, but maybe somebody does ...
Before they ever played a single college game, where were James McAdoo (ESPN's No. 6 recruit in 2011) and Cody Zeller (ESPN's No. 14 recruit in 2011) projected to go in 2012 mock drafts?
They were, like Henry, two multi-talented, 5-star bigs. Just curious.
Granted I only watched him once, but hard to believe he was 1.5 years away from wearing an NBA uniform...I don't see 1 and done for him.
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How do we prove that?
Can we see if there is a disproportionate number of PAC 10 players drafted vs their high school rankings? vs Big East players drafted vs their high school rankings?
Would that do it?
Total garbage comment. Pac-12 does just fine. for that matter, you could say the BE has a problem because we are on Fox. Same silly comment that cannot be proven.
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In 2014, the Pac-12 had 3 players drafted in the lottery, 6 in the first round, and 9 overall.
In 2013, the Pac-12 had 0 players drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 7 overall.
In 2012, the Pac-12 had 1 player drafted in the lottery, 3 in the first round, and 3 overall.
Those are the three years in the current incarnation of the Pac-12. I'd say they're doing okay. Last year was a high-water mark, 2012 was a down year. All-in-all, if scouts are going to find you, I don't think playing in the Pac-12 will stop them.
Yes, but imagine where they COULD be if scouts weren't sleeping while their games were on.
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Yes, but imagine where they COULD be if scouts weren't sleeping while their games were on.
;D
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For marginal players there is an advantage to playing in the Big East and conferences with teams in NBA cities. Look at the BC, how often a GM and/or scout is there because their team is in town, even if they are not at the MU game to see a particular player. It is simply a matter of convenience. it may not be a big deal, but it may provide some added exposure.
If Lee played on MU, GM's and scouts will be in attendance to see Henry. However, it often won't be a special trip to see Henry, and Lee is likely to get more exposure as a GM or Scout shows us simply because he happens to be in the same city as the Marq game on that day.
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For marginal players there is an advantage to playing in the Big East and conferences with teams in NBA cities. Look at the BC, how often a GM and/or scout is there because their team is in town, even if they are not at the MU game to see a particular player. It is simply a matter of convenience. it may not be a big deal, but it may provide some added exposure.
If Lee played on MU, GM's and scouts will be in attendance to see Henry. However, it often won't be a special trip to see Henry, and Lee is likely to get more exposure as a GM or Scout shows us simply because he happens to be in the same city as the Marq game on that day.
Theoretically, I understand that playing at certain schools and certain conferences MIGHT offer a SLIGHT advantage.
I get it.
The problem is that Heisenberg likes to state factually that the Pac12 is at some sort of huge disadvantage, and no player in his right mind would chose AZ over MU if he wanted to go pro.
That doesn't make any sense, because on the whole, it seems like plenty of players from the Pacific timezone have been drafted over the years.
Also, we haven't even touched on the pre-draft camps where players who might not have gotten enough exposure can go get noticed.
So, I understand that going to MU compared to Southwest Wyoming State might be an advantage, I'm not sure that MU vs AZ is really the same thing.
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Association scouts put heavy emphasis on individual workouts with their team or 5 on 5 games against other potential draftees. They don't really give a chit if ya score 30 vs. Twisted Sister U., hey?
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In the past 20 years, Arizona has had 10 players drafted in the lottery and 26 players drafted overall. In that time, only 5 drafts have occurred without a player from Arizona being drafted. Safe to say NBA scouts have no problem finding players from Arizona if they are good enough.
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In the past 20 years, Arizona has had 10 players drafted in the lottery and 26 players drafted overall. In that time, only 5 drafts have occurred without a player from Arizona being drafted. Safe to say NBA scouts have no problem finding players from Arizona if they are good enough.
They must've played their NCAA Tournament games on the East coast other than the 5 years that there were no Arizona players drafted, though.
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how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?
I come up with; Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado
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how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?
I come up with; Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado
Exactly.
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Theoretically, I understand that playing at certain schools and certain conferences MIGHT offer a SLIGHT advantage.
I get it.
The problem is that Heisenberg likes to state factually that the Pac12 is at some sort of huge disadvantage, and no player in his right mind would chose AZ over MU if he wanted to go pro.
That doesn't make any sense, because on the whole, it seems like plenty of players from the Pacific timezone have been drafted over the years.
Also, we haven't even touched on the pre-draft camps where players who might not have gotten enough exposure can go get noticed.
So, I understand that going to MU compared to Southwest Wyoming State might be an advantage, I'm not sure that MU vs AZ is really the same thing.
never said factually, all my opinion.
Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast. That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.
I thought it was generally understood that basketball is a Midwest/east coast "slanted" game (both college and NBA) and the closer one is to the power center, the better they are.
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never said factually, all my opinion.
Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast. That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.
I thought it was generally understood that basketball is a Midwest/east coast "slanted" game (both college and NBA) and the closer one is to the power center, the better they are.
1) Seth Curry is nowhere near an NBA MVP.
2) NBA voting and any potential biases about where a player plays is a completely different situation than an NBA team drafting a player. An NBA team isn't going to favor one player who plays at UCLA but take a player whose game they like less because he played at Florida.
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how many Pac12 teams play within a half hour of a NBA arena?
I come up with; Arizona State, UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Utah, Colorado
Since the bar was set at 30 minutes, the answer is 3 of the 12 teams in the Pac-12. None play in NBA arenas.
Arizona State - 11 miles (18 minutes) to Suns Arena
UCLA - 14.2 miles (35 minutes) to Staples Center
USC - 2.3 miles (8 minutes) to Staples Center
Stanford - 28.3 miles (41 minutes) to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Cal - 14.7 miles (33 minutes) to to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Oregon State - 86 miles (1 1/2 hours) to Portland Trailblazers arena
Utah - 2.8 miles (11 minutes) to Utah Jazz)
Colorado - 26.7 miles (40 minutes) to Denver Nuggets Arena
Using the same criteria, how many Big East teams are within 30 minutes of an NBA team? Answer, 7 with 4 playing in NBA arenas.
MU (NBA Arena)
St. Johns (NBA Arena)
Nova (NBA Arena)
Georgetown (NBA Arena)
Seton Hall
Butler
Depaul
More than 30 minutes
Providence
Xavier
Creighton
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I really am having trouble figuring out of Heisentroll really believes the stuff he types, or if he is simply trying to be a Murffesque contrarian.
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I really am having trouble figuring out of Heisentroll really believes the stuff he types, or if he is simply trying to be a Murffesque contrarian.
Smart man
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never said factually, all my opinion.
Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast. That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.
I thought it was generally understood that basketball is a Midwest/east coast "slanted" game (both college and NBA) and the closer one is to the power center, the better they are.
You stated your opinion like it was a matter of fact. Don't back down now.
Also, Seth Curry is never going to win an MVP award. It has nothing to do with where he plays. He's not very good at basketball. Take a minute to google him and look at his numbers. This is a FACT, not an opinion, BTW.
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You are so factually incorrect it is absurd. Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes). Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player. They aren't going to get a list of potential NBA players and go visit every player in person. That's simply not possible. You get your list, watch video, cut your list down, and then go see players in person who you view as potential assets to your team. Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players, so talking about waiting outside the locker room and talking to them is once again beyond silly.
I also don't think you have a clue as to what it means to be on a team's radar. Just because you're on their radar does not mean they're ready and willing to offer you a contract. Duane Wilson and Luke Fischer are on NBA radars. You think they should go pro, but they wouldn't be drafted. NBA scouts are very aware of Damion Lee, and are intrigued to see what he does against tougher competition. You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year. Again, you simply just don't understand how it works, and it becomes more and more evident with every post you make.
And you think scouts are putting together their lists based on newspaper headlines. No wonder you post so many news articles on here. This just keeps getting funnier.
You say Tarzeski is listed as a mid first round pick but scouts won't go to the desert to see him play. Yeah, they're just going to blindly take him mid first round without every scouting him because draftexpress.com says he should go mid first round.
Please continue. This is good.
* You wrote Scouts watch a TON of tape (not some random TV feed or YouTube video like a casual fan or even a diehard fan, they get birdview tapes).
The LEAGUE has scouts that put together "tear sheets" on every player as you suggest. This is available to every team via a secure website. The LEAGUE also runs the combine and try put camps (like Portsmouth). The LEAGUE scouts that do this are most in NYC with some in the major cities (like Chicago and LA). Individual team scouts read these reports, they do not compile them (see the next point).
* Once they decide that a player has a skillset they are looking for then they go into more detailed scouting of that player.
Correct. But this happens in April to June. How do they decide who to focus on? Lots of ways. Positive press helps. So does senior personnel having seen them in person, like the team's head of scouting and the GM. The "tear sheets" noted above are just the research tool they START with. If you make it convenient for the GM and the head of scouting to watch you, like playing in an NBA arena, it helps. Play in front of national reporters to get further attention also helps too.
* Scouts/GMs can't even legally speak with or about non-senior players
I thought this discussion was about Lee, who will be a senior next year. So this statement was correct in this context.
* You evidently think that NBA scouts are just oblivious to a top 5 NCAA scorer from a mid major who is 6'6" and shot nearly 40% from 3 point range last year.
Yes the LEAGUE scouts know about him and will compiles a "tear sheet" on the player (see above). The real question does the Celtics, Bucks, Bulls, Knicks, Nets, Pacers (etc) GMs and/or head of scouting know anything about Lee? Answer today is probably little to nothing. Play well and play with a potential lottery pick (Henry and/or Stone) and play where it is easy for them to get to you and that answer can change.
If you are a marginal player trying to get drafted, I think the big East offers an advantage. If you are a stud lottery pick, you can play in war-torn Croatia (or Tucson!) and they will find you. Lee is not a stud lottery pick. Henry is, as is Stone, so play on their team
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Good to know we've been derailed by the usual suspects.
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You stated your opinion like it was a matter of fact. Don't back down now.
Also, Seth Curry is never going to win an MVP award. It has nothing to do with where he plays. He's not very good at basketball. Take a minute to google him and look at his numbers. This is a FACT, not an opinion, BTW.
My opinion is matter of fact to me.
Are you saying you never heard of the idea that playing on the west coast is a disadvantage?
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My opinion is matter of fact to me.
Are you saying you never heard of the idea that playing on the west coast is a disadvantage?
Are you just stupid?
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My opinion is matter of fact to me.
Are you saying you never heard of the idea that playing on the west coast is a disadvantage?
For college basketball NBA prospects? No.
Now, I imagine for a media based award for a professional player, maybe playing out east is more of an advantage. I don't have proof, but I understand how you could formulate that opinion.
But, there are PAID professionals whose sole job is to find the best basketball players. They look all over the world to find them.
I can't imagine that playing the Pac12 is a big disadvantage because these scouts are sleeping, or they are afraid to drive more than 30min. to see a player.
Media members who vote on awards aren't paid to vote on awards, so their level of interest might grow weary. But, paid scouts? Paid professionals? If there is a good player to be found, they will likely hear about him. They aren't finding these guys by accident.
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For college basketball NBA prospects? No.
I agree for lottery pick it does not matter (and said that above). We are talking about a DJO type of player, hoping to get picked in the last 15 picks of the second round. Scouts are not going to see him. They will go to see Henry and /or Stone so get on their teams.
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I agree for lottery pick it does not matter (and said that above). We are talking about a DJO type of player, hoping to get picked in the last 15 picks of the second round. Scouts are not going to see him. They will go to see Henry and /or Stone so get on their teams.
Well, then in my opinion, you're just not very bright.
Factually, I don't know what else to tell you.
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never said factually, all my opinion.
Was just reading today that Seth Curry is not being hurt in his quest to be MVP because he plays on the west coast. That's because all the national reporters and pooh-bahs in the NBA are on the east coast.
I actually think that Seth Curry is hurt in his bid to win the MVP because he has only played in 4 NBA games in his career. If he wins, I'm calling shenanigans.
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Also, Seth Curry is never going to win an MVP award. It has nothing to do with where he plays. He's not very good at basketball. Take a minute to google him and look at his numbers. This is a FACT, not an opinion, BTW.
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I really am having trouble figuring out of Heisentroll really believes the stuff he types, or if he is simply trying to be a Murffesque contrarian.
It's all about the clicks for him.
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Where did this clicks idea come from? What statement did I make that you got wrong?
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Where did this clicks idea come from? What statement did I make that you got wrong?
Probably when you said you want people to click on your threads ::)
Of course! That was the plan
When I start a post, I want it opened and read. The title needs to generate interest.
Posters here use the worst, nondescript that say nothing titles. I often don't open those threads.
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Also, Seth Curry is never going to win an MVP award. It has nothing to do with where he plays. He's not very good at basketball. Take a minute to google him and look at his numbers. This is a FACT, not an opinion, BTW.
I think he meant Eddie Curry.
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Probably when you said you want people to click on your threads ::)
You realize that was a comment on the terrible titles people have for threads. Too many of them I have no idea what the subject is about.
On the first page see UCONN and NLI. I have no idea what they are about and have no bothered to read them. Tell me what it is about, you were obviously motivated to start a thread.
Their are 40 threads on the first page, why should I bother reading them? If you are too lazy to explain it in the title, don't bother starting it.
Now, how you got "I want clicks" I have no idea.
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I think he meant Eddie Curry.
Chicken Curry
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You realize that was a comment on the terrible titles people have for threads. Too many of them I have no idea what the subject is about.
On the first page see UCONN and NLI. I have no idea what they are about and have no bothered to read them. Tell me what it is about, you were obviously motivated to start a thread.
Their are 40 threads on the first page, why should I bother reading them? If you are too lazy to explain it in the title, don't bother starting it.
Now, how you got "I want clicks" I have no idea.
You wanted to know where it came from. That's where it came from.
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You realize that was a comment on the terrible titles people have for threads. Too many of them I have no idea what the subject is about.
On the first page see UCONN and NLI. I have no idea what they are about and have no bothered to read them. Tell me what it is about, you were obviously motivated to start a thread.
Their are 40 threads on the first page, why should I bother reading them? If you are too lazy to explain it in the title, don't bother starting it.
Now, how you got "I want clicks" I have no idea.
So you think "UCONN" is a thread title that does not tell you about what the thread is about (UCONN's athletics is what the thread title is about) but "A New Powerhouse?" tells us exactly what the thread is about when it's about UIC being in on a single top recruit? Got it, that makes complete sense. ::)
You also posted elsewhere comparing the number of views your threads had compared to the rest on the first page of Hanging at the Al. If that's not about generating clicks/views/whatever you want to call it, then I'm not sure why you posted it...
Again, your need for attention is bordering on Ners level. It's quite bad.
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So you think "UCONN" is a thread title that does not tell you about what the thread is about (UCONN's athletics is what the thread title is about) but "A New Powerhouse?" tells us exactly what the thread is about when it's about UIC being in on a single top recruit? Got it, that makes complete sense. ::)
You also posted elsewhere comparing the number of views your threads had compared to the rest on the first page of Hanging at the Al. If that's not about generating clicks/views/whatever you want to call it, then I'm not sure why you posted it...
Again, your need for attention is bordering on Ners level. It's quite bad.
UCONN coming back to the Big East??? would have been a lot better (i just looked at it).
Initially I thought it was a tiresome thread about their women's team that won the NC last week. That is why I ignored it
I never said I look at clicks. I said I want people to open my threads and participate.
Maybe one of those hard working NBA scouts can explain the difference to you.
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So how about that Damion Lee??? Hoya? Wades? TAMU? Any news on that front?
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So how about that Damion Lee??? Hoya? Wades? TAMU? Any news on that front?
Nothing more here. We will probably star to hear more as he goes on his visits/gets visits from the coaching staffs of the 5 finalists. Until then there probably won't be a whole lot more to report. I would imagine he will focus on finishing up school over the next 3 weeks and then things will start to heat up.
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Since the bar was set at 30 minutes, the answer is 3 of the 12 teams in the Pac-12. None play in NBA arenas.
Arizona State - 11 miles (18 minutes) to Suns Arena
UCLA - 14.2 miles (35 minutes) to Staples Center
USC - 2.3 miles (8 minutes) to Staples Center
Stanford - 28.3 miles (41 minutes) to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Cal - 14.7 miles (33 minutes) to to Oracle Center (Golden State Warriors)
Oregon State - 86 miles (1 1/2 hours) to Portland Trailblazers arena
Utah - 2.8 miles (11 minutes) to Utah Jazz)
Colorado - 26.7 miles (40 minutes) to Denver Nuggets Arena
Using the same criteria, how many Big East teams are within 30 minutes of an NBA team? Answer, 7 with 4 playing in NBA arenas.
MU (NBA Arena)
St. Johns (NBA Arena)
Nova (NBA Arena)
Georgetown (NBA Arena)
Seton Hall
Butler
Depaul
More than 30 minutes
Providence
Xavier
Creighton
I just checked Google and by the under 30 minute drive times they're showing 5 for the Pac 12 and 5 from the Big East. They show Cal and Colorado within 30, and Seton Hall and DePaul longer than 30 minutes.
But I hope you get the idea; the arbitrary half hour travel time shows there really isn't any marked difference in distance to prevent a scout from making it to a Pac 12 game.
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Louisville paper perspective on the Lee recruiting battle.
U of L transfer target Lee thorough in search
Jeff Greer
6:01 p.m. EDT April 15, 2015
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/15/louisville-basketball-transfer-target-damion-lee-thorough-research/25841223/
Once Damion Lee knew he would be transferring from Drexel University, he sat down with his mother and conducted what he calls a "thorough investigation" of the college basketball landscape and his potential landing spots.
Turns out the 6-foot-6 wing, who was fourth in the nation in scoring last season, averaging 21.4 points a game, had quite a few options.
In the two weeks since news broke that the Baltimore native would graduate and transfer for his final year of eligibility, Lee has heard from scores of coaches. It took some time to work through all the messages he received, but Lee trimmed his list to five schools on Sunday, and the University of Louisville is one of them.
The Cardinals have made Lee a top priority as they seek ways to replace departing guard Terry Rozier and graduating wing Wayne Blackshear.
"It's been crazy," Lee said. "Just these last couple weeks, with all the schools calling, trying to see what I wanted to narrow my list down to -- and not even just coaches, but media outlets, friends, family. Everyone's just trying to get the scoop."
The process that led Lee to cut his transfer options down to Arizona, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland and U of L has been meticulous, and as much as everyone around him wants to know what he's thinking, Lee is in no rush to make a decision. He hopes to choose a school in early May.
First, Lee charted out everything. He studied this past season and how players who played his position fared at the schools he is considering. He looked at how players have done once they left the program. He considered which players are returning or leaving, and which newcomers are arriving.
To inform his research even more, Lee used Synergy Sports, an advanced scouting site, to map out each team's playing style, from offensive and defensive schemes to what kind of shots they took.
"I'm just trying to handle everything in a professional manner," Lee said. "I was doing my thorough investigation of every school and program."
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
"When I go on these visits, I want to do everything I've been doing -- just going in there, making sure that I feel comfortable and that everything that is said over the phone is shown in person, that it's not smoke and mirrors," Lee said.
"I'm going into this weekend, both of these vists, with an open mind, not thinking anything negative or positive."
His trip to Louisville is critical for the Cards. U of L coach Rick Pitino said several times since the conclusion of the 2014-15 season that he would like to add multiple graduate transfers to his roster for the next campaign, and Louisville already nabbed Cleveland State transfer Trey Lewis.
Pitino also wants players who can shoot.
"From this point on, for as long as I live, if someone cannot shoot the basketball, I'm taking them off any letter-writing list," Pitino joked at the Final Four in Indianapolis.
Lee, who has known assistant coach Kenny Johnson since his days on the AAU circuit in the Washington, D.C., area, shot 43.8 percent last season as a high-volume shooter who attempted 14.4 shots a game. He made 38.5 percent of his 3-pointers, and converted 88.7 percent of his free throws.
"I feel that I'd be able to come in and contribute," Lee said. "Just come in and be a leader and just showcase my talents and my abilities."
Also visiting: Coppin State graduate transfer Sterling Smith plans to visit U of L next Wednesday, according to multiple reports ... 2016 guard Derryck Thornton, who is considering reclassifying to 2015 and enrolling in school this year, plans to visit U of L in early May, according to 247Sports.com.
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You realize that was a comment on the terrible titles people have for threads. Too many of them I have no idea what the subject is about.
On the first page see UCONN and NLI. I have no idea what they are about and have no bothered to read them. Tell me what it is about, you were obviously motivated to start a thread.
Their are 40 threads on the first page, why should I bother reading them? If you are too lazy to explain it in the title, don't bother starting it.
Now, how you got "I want clicks" I have no idea.
So, a nondescript title will prevent you from reading (and therefore posting in) a thread. Good to know.
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The numbers above were from Google. You did the same thing I did and got a different answer.
Time of day likely matters, I believe Google uses real time traffic for their estimates.
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Louisville paper perspective on the Lee recruiting battle.
U of L transfer target Lee thorough in search
Jeff Greer
6:01 p.m. EDT April 15, 2015
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/15/louisville-basketball-transfer-target-damion-lee-thorough-research/25841223/
Once Damion Lee knew he would be transferring from Drexel University, he sat down with his mother and conducted what he calls a "thorough investigation" of the college basketball landscape and his potential landing spots.
Turns out the 6-foot-6 wing, who was fourth in the nation in scoring last season, averaging 21.4 points a game, had quite a few options.
In the two weeks since news broke that the Baltimore native would graduate and transfer for his final year of eligibility, Lee has heard from scores of coaches. It took some time to work through all the messages he received, but Lee trimmed his list to five schools on Sunday, and the University of Louisville is one of them.
The Cardinals have made Lee a top priority as they seek ways to replace departing guard Terry Rozier and graduating wing Wayne Blackshear.
"It's been crazy," Lee said. "Just these last couple weeks, with all the schools calling, trying to see what I wanted to narrow my list down to -- and not even just coaches, but media outlets, friends, family. Everyone's just trying to get the scoop."
The process that led Lee to cut his transfer options down to Arizona, Gonzaga, Marquette, Maryland and U of L has been meticulous, and as much as everyone around him wants to know what he's thinking, Lee is in no rush to make a decision. He hopes to choose a school in early May.
First, Lee charted out everything. He studied this past season and how players who played his position fared at the schools he is considering. He looked at how players have done once they left the program. He considered which players are returning or leaving, and which newcomers are arriving.
To inform his research even more, Lee used Synergy Sports, an advanced scouting site, to map out each team's playing style, from offensive and defensive schemes to what kind of shots they took.
"I'm just trying to handle everything in a professional manner," Lee said. "I was doing my thorough investigation of every school and program."
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
"When I go on these visits, I want to do everything I've been doing -- just going in there, making sure that I feel comfortable and that everything that is said over the phone is shown in person, that it's not smoke and mirrors," Lee said.
"I'm going into this weekend, both of these vists, with an open mind, not thinking anything negative or positive."
His trip to Louisville is critical for the Cards. U of L coach Rick Pitino said several times since the conclusion of the 2014-15 season that he would like to add multiple graduate transfers to his roster for the next campaign, and Louisville already nabbed Cleveland State transfer Trey Lewis.
Pitino also wants players who can shoot.
"From this point on, for as long as I live, if someone cannot shoot the basketball, I'm taking them off any letter-writing list," Pitino joked at the Final Four in Indianapolis.
Lee, who has known assistant coach Kenny Johnson since his days on the AAU circuit in the Washington, D.C., area, shot 43.8 percent last season as a high-volume shooter who attempted 14.4 shots a game. He made 38.5 percent of his 3-pointers, and converted 88.7 percent of his free throws.
"I feel that I'd be able to come in and contribute," Lee said. "Just come in and be a leader and just showcase my talents and my abilities."
Also visiting: Coppin State graduate transfer Sterling Smith plans to visit U of L next Wednesday, according to multiple reports ... 2016 guard Derryck Thornton, who is considering reclassifying to 2015 and enrolling in school this year, plans to visit U of L in early May, according to 247Sports.com.
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From the story above ...
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
It sounds like if he has not committed by one week from today, our chances go up big time.
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From the story above ...
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
It sounds like if he has not committed by one week from today, our chances go up big time.
Yup. I like that he is literally going back to back to visits to Louisville and Arizona and then has Gonzaga coming in to visit him 1 with only 1 day between him getting home from those visits. That's a good schedule from Marquette's perspective. He also already knows the Maryland area so there will be nothing to surprise him there. Let's hope we get a campus visit, but I would be shocked if we don't at least get an in home visit and if we get that Wojo can work some magic.
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Yup. I like that he is literally going back to back to visits to Louisville and Arizona and then has Gonzaga coming in to visit him 1 with only 1 day between him getting home from those visits. That's a good schedule from Marquette's perspective. He also already knows the Maryland area so there will be nothing to surprise him there. Let's hope we get a campus visit, but I would be shocked if we don't at least get an in home visit and if we get that Wojo can work some magic.
Eh ... I wish Wojo The Closer had gotten Lee on our campus first. Lee woulda canceled the rest of his visits!
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Eh ... I wish Wojo The Closer had gotten Lee on our campus first. Lee woulda canceled the rest of his visits!
Excuse me, are you talking about Marquette's campus? About Mid-Town Milwaukee? About the area between the freeways, Wells Street and 18th Street?
Coach Wojo I understand but when did Milwaukee's Inner City become the new land of Milk and Honey? OK, milk I might understand -- it is in Wisconsin. But our campus is not a closer place, especially compared to Arizona!
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From the story above ...
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
The bolded part is what stood out to me. Momma ain't got no time for MU
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The bolded part is what stood out to me. Momma ain't got no time for MU
Yeah, this week. Next week is a whole new ball game.
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Excuse me, are you talking about Marquette's campus? About Mid-Town Milwaukee? About the area between the freeways, Wells Street and 18th Street?
Coach Wojo I understand but when did Milwaukee's Inner City become the new land of Milk and Honey? OK, milk I might understand -- it is in Wisconsin. But our campus is not a closer place, especially compared to Arizona!
OK, whatever you say. Wojo seemed to do close the deals OK for Henry, Haanif, Traci and Sacar right after they visited our pathetic little campus. Henry and Traci immediately cancelled other visits they had scheduled, including to Lexington for Henry.
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Yeah, this week. Next week is a whole new ball game.
He will be in Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday (of next week).
Then Gonzaga coaches are coming to visit him that Wednesday (of next week).
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Coach Wojo I understand but when did Milwaukee's Inner City become the new land of Milk and Honey? OK, milk I might understand -- it is in Wisconsin. But our campus is not a closer place, especially compared to Arizona!
For many recruits, Marquette's downtown urban campus feels a lot more like home than any college town or small town could ever be. There have been many cases when our geography has been an advantage.
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So how about that Damion Lee??? Hoya? Wades? TAMU? Any news on that front?
Same boat as Wades. Keep hearing that we have a great shot but these things take time
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Also visiting: Coppin State graduate transfer Sterling Smith plans to visit U of L next Wednesday, according to multiple reports ...
Smith is another player I've been watching. Top scorer from Coppin State and an elite sniper. Hit about a dozen more threes than Carlino with a higher 3P% last season. I wasn't sure how his game would translate to high majors, but hearing that Pitino wants him makes me want him more.
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Excuse me, are you talking about Marquette's campus? About Mid-Town Milwaukee? About the area between the freeways, Wells Street and 18th Street?
Coach Wojo I understand but when did Milwaukee's Inner City become the new land of Milk and Honey? OK, milk I might understand -- it is in Wisconsin. But our campus is not a closer place, especially compared to Arizona!
You do realize that a lot of people actually like the northern, urban campus right? I have been to the University of Arizona's campus, and at no point did I say "Man, I wish I would have come here instead of Marquette."
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You do realize that a lot of people actually like the northern, urban campus right? I have been to the University of Arizona's campus, and at no point did I say "Man, I wish I would have come here instead of Marquette."
Indeed. A UW friend of mine had heard about the urban MU campus, etc. When he actually was in Milwaukee and drove around the area he was amazed at how nice it was, and how close to downtown and Water Street, etc it was. Actually seeing the area completely changed his mind about the location of MU versus what he had been reading on badger boards and from badger friends.
Milwaukee has changed a lot and being urban and downtown is an advantage now, not a negative. Look at the population of seniors and younger people. Where do they move to... urban areas, cities. More to do, more fun people, great restaurants, festivals, people, etc.
MU's location is an advantage. Yes, bad weather in the winter, but superior weather in the spring, summer and fall. If you play basketball and your going to be inside in the winter anyway and want to focus, kind of a nice combination. I don't like Milwaukee winters, but I dislike AZ summers more. If your a basketball player, take a cold winter. Plus, if you think you maybe playing professionally, you better like winter, weather it is in the NBA or Europe.
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Indeed. A UW friend of mine had heard about the urban MU campus, etc. When he actually was in Milwaukee and drove around the area he was amazed at how nice it was, and how close to downtown and Water Street, etc it was. Actually seeing the area completely changed his mind about the location of MU versus what he had been reading on badger boards and from badger friends.
Milwaukee has changed a lot and being urban and downtown is an advantage now, not a negative. Look at the population of seniors and younger people. Where do they move to... urban areas, cities. More to do, more fun people, great restaurants, festivals, people, etc.
MU's location is an advantage. Yes, bad weather in the winter, but superior weather in the spring, summer and fall. If you play basketball and your going to be inside in the winter anyway and want to focus, kind of a nice combination. I don't like Milwaukee winters, but I dislike AZ summers more. If your a basketball player, take a cold winter. Plus, if you think you maybe playing professionally, you better like winter, weather it is in the NBA or Europe.
Goo, I was being a little silly. I went to Marquette largely because I was a legacy and I wanted, very much, the urban environment Marquette offered. I really did.
I know the campus has improved dramatically since 1978. People choose colleges for different reasons and I suspect Mr. Lee is carefully considering those factors that are important to him. With all due respect, given that his options at MU, Arizona, Louisville and Maryland, I suspect he is less focused on physical beauty and more focused on a program that will get him to the Association.
Don't ya think?
By the way, does anyone know what his graduate field study might be?
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Goo, I was being a little silly. I went to Marquette largely because I was a legacy and I wanted, very much, the urban environment Marquette offered. I really did.
I know the campus has improved dramatically since 1978. People choose colleges for different reasons and I suspect Mr. Lee is carefully considering those factors that are important to him. With all due respect, given that his options at MU, Arizona, Louisville and Maryland, I suspect he is less focused on physical beauty and more focused on a program that will get him to the Association.
Don't ya think?
By the way, does anyone know what his graduate field study might be?
Basketball.
And anything that Drexel does not offer. So depending on which school he ultimately chooses, it could be anything from a theological study to a sports management program or really anything.
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I went to Marquette largely because I was a legacy and I wanted, very much, the urban environment Marquette offered. I really did...People choose colleges for different reasons...
You're absolutely right.
I grew up in a pretty small town in Colorado. I knew that I wanted to be somewhere where I could watch professional sports and there would be concerts -- two things not available where I grew up. It wasn't so much the "urban" part, but what I was looking for was obviously probably going to take me to a large city. I suppose suburban would have been fine.
My son is a HS senior. He has no interest whatsoever in urban. At most, he's looking for suburban, but he also likes college towns in the middle of nowhere. My oldest daughter is a HS sophomore who is beginning to look at colleges. She loves urban campuses and being in cities.
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You do realize that a lot of people actually like the northern, urban campus right? I have been to the University of Arizona's campus, and at no point did I say "Man, I wish I would have come here instead of Marquette."
Could not disagree more. While the surrounding area is not that nice, nor is Marquette's. UA is hands down a much nicer environment. On campus arena and football stadium, fantastic student rec center that is city blocks long. University Ave is fun. No comparision to MU.
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I am impressed with all the work he is doing on team styles and his position. I doubt seriously where the school is located is even going to play into his decision. He is looking at how he will be used and how it helps get to the next level. What hurts MU is the fact they have not been in the NCAA tournament for two years. MU chances would be much greater if this was two years ago, when we were coming off a Big East championship and an Elite 8 run. MU can point to Wade, Crowder, Butler and Matthews as similar size players that have gone on to have pro careers. The problem is that none of these are Wojo's players. Assuming he visits MU it really will come down to how he fits in with the players on the team and how he fits in with the coaches. The city or campus will not matter, since he is clearly focus on how he will be used, how good the team will be and how it will improve his chances.
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Could not disagree more.
So, you're saying he did say, "Man, I wish I would have come here instead of Marquette." I think he would know.
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I agree with the above posts and previously mentioned that Lee's choice will be all about who will allow him to showcase and continue to develop for the NBA. The campus, weather, etc, will be unimportant to a 5th year guy looking to get to the NBA.
My urban campus comments were less about what Lee wanted and just a general response to the advantage of MU being an urban campus with winter for basketball players.
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I am impressed with all the work he is doing on team styles and his position. I doubt seriously where the school is located is even going to play into his decision. He is looking at how he will be used and how it helps get to the next level. What hurts MU is the fact they have not been in the NCAA tournament for two years. MU chances would be much greater if this was two years ago, when we were coming off a Big East championship and an Elite 8 run. MU can point to Wade, Crowder, Butler and Matthews as similar size players that have gone on to have pro careers. The problem is that none of these are Wojo's players. Assuming he visits MU it really will come down to how he fits in with the players on the team and how he fits in with the coaches. The city or campus will not matter, since he is clearly focus on how he will be used, how good the team will be and how it will improve his chances.
Spot on.
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Spot on.
+1
It's hard to do research and fact-checking against the potential for an overhauled team with a new coach.
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You're absolutely right.
I grew up in a pretty small town in Colorado. I knew that I wanted to be somewhere where I could watch professional sports and there would be concerts -- two things not available where I grew up. It wasn't so much the "urban" part, but what I was looking for was obviously probably going to take me to a large city. I suppose suburban would have been fine.
My son is a HS senior. He has no interest whatsoever in urban. At most, he's looking for suburban, but he also likes college towns in the middle of nowhere. My oldest daughter is a HS sophomore who is beginning to look at colleges. She loves urban campuses and being in cities.
This reminds me of New York University (NYU) in Greenwich Village. The saying is kids that first go to the campus within 5 minutes think it is the greatest place in the world or the worst place in the world and nothing in-between.
Whatever floats your boat.
So is MU better than Arizona? Depends on what is important to you.
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Could not disagree more. While the surrounding area is not that nice, nor is Marquette's. UA is hands down a much nicer environment. On campus arena and football stadium, fantastic student rec center that is city blocks long. University Ave is fun. No comparision to MU.
Fine. To each his own. Which was my point to begin with.
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Wojo doesn't even need to get Mr. Lee on campus to reel him in.
All he needs is somewhere in Baltimore that will rent him an ice cream truck.
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Could not disagree more. While the surrounding area is not that nice, nor is Marquette's. UA is hands down a much nicer environment. On campus arena and football stadium, fantastic student rec center that is city blocks long. University Ave is fun. No comparision to MU.
That is you opinion but i'm going to guess a lot of people do not have rec center that is city blocks long as high on the list of reasons to pick a school.
Again, whatever floats your boat.
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This reminds me of New York University (NYU) in Greenwich Village. The saying is kids that first go to the campus within 5 minutes think it is the greatest place in the world or the worst place in the world and nothing in-between.
Whatever floats your boat.
So is MU better than Arizona? Depends on what is important to you.
NYU is awesome. Any University that has McSorley's in its neighborhood is a great University.
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NYU is awesome. Any University that has McSorley's in its neighborhood is a great University.
I second this!
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This reminds me of New York University (NYU) in Greenwich Village. The saying is kids that first go to the campus within 5 minutes think it is the greatest place in the world or the worst place in the world and nothing in-between.
Whatever floats your boat.
So is MU better than Arizona? Depends on what is important to you.
Yup! If you like ice sailing in winter.
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What does MU offer to a 5th year grad? How about a trip to Italy over the summer? That has to be a selling point, and I mean a big selling point.
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NYU is awesome. Any University that has McSorley's in its neighborhood is a great University.
When I got homesick my first semester, I applied to NYU. I ended up making some great, lifelong friends in November, though, and I ended up not leaving. I actually was accepted, which was almost as big an upset as Nova over GTown!
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Spot on.
No no no.....do you watch the NBA? Do you see how well MU is recieved and how many of their past players get looks on NBA rosters even from the D-League?
You don't think they tell them that? Who cares if they have not made NCAA in two years. Recruits know that and they know why?
If anything they believe they are the one's to help get them back on track.
You see Jerel McNeal, Jae Crowder, Vander Blue, Darius Johnson Odom Wesley Matthews, Lazar Heyward, Dwight Buycks, Jimmy Butler, Steve Novak, Travis Diener, Dwayne Wade and the guy who came to us from Ariz State make it in the league in the last 5-7 years...that is enough!
That says it all!
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'member T-Cubed has connections to da Association. That's gotta help MU too, ai na?
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No no no.....do you watch the NBA? Do you see how well MU is recieved and how many of their past players get looks on NBA rosters even from the D-League?
Right now, Marquette has 6 guards on NBA rosters. Wojo coached 7 current NBA guards at Duke. Arizona might match or exceed those numbers. Louisville I doubt does. Maryland and Gonzaga certainly not.
There's another factor to consider, and that's position. Lee has mostly been a 2/3 at the college level. But those don't seem to be our biggest need positions. With Miller as a potential rebounding forward option, that would push Lee back to the 2, or possibly even the 1 with Duane out there. Lee might be a fringe NBA prospect as a 3, but if he gets the chance to show he can play the 1/2, his stock would likely go up considerably. For a wing, his assist and turnover rates were pretty good.
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Right now, Marquette has 6 guards on NBA rosters. Wojo coached 7 current NBA guards at Duke. Arizona might match or exceed those numbers. Louisville I doubt does. Maryland and Gonzaga certainly not.
There's another factor to consider, and that's position. Lee has mostly been a 2/3 at the college level. But those don't seem to be our biggest need positions. With Miller as a potential rebounding forward option, that would push Lee back to the 2, or possibly even the 1 with Duane out there. Lee might be a fringe NBA prospect as a 3, but if he gets the chance to show he can play the 1/2, his stock would likely go up considerably. For a wing, his assist and turnover rates were pretty good.
A couple weeks ago McNeal, Blue, and Buycks all weren't on rosters so I don't know if those are necessarily ringing endorsements of MU players making it to the NBA.
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NYU is awesome. Any University that has McSorley's in its neighborhood is a great University.
Not if you're black and don't like getting cracked in the head with a hockey stick.
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A couple weeks ago McNeal, Blue, and Buycks all weren't on rosters so I don't know if those are necessarily ringing endorsements of MU players making it to the NBA.
They had all been on rosters previously, however. Jerel has been on contract with Charlotte and Utah, Vander with Philly and Boston, and Dwight with Toronto.
Yes, four 10-day contracts scattered in there, but still, all these guys were NBA players before the past couple weeks.
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Not if you're black and don't like getting cracked in the head with a hockey stick.
Do cops drink there?
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Not if you're black and don't like getting cracked in the head with a hockey stick.
Can you interpret this?
Have you been to NYC and/or Greenwich village or are you basing this on a hazy memory of "Escape from New York" can confusing it with reality?
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I think the hockey stick reference was to the Boston Bruins' forward Marty McSorley who used his stick as a weapon and not only swung it at an opposing player but made contact. The dude was nuts
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I think the hockey stick reference was to the Boston Bruins' forward Marty McSorley who used his stick as a weapon and not only swung it at an opposing player but made contact. The dude was nuts
And what does have to do with NYU?
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And what does have to do with NYU?
I don't think anything. I think Benny was making a joke because he has the same last name as a bar on NYU's campus. I could be wrong though
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And what does have to do with NYU?
A lot more than NYU has to do with Division I basketball graduate transfers.
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What does MU offer to a 5th year grad? How about a trip to Italy over the summer? That has to be a selling point, and I mean a big selling point.
You guys are going to Italy too?
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You guys are going to Italy too?
That is correct. I saw that GTown had announced their trip recently. Nice to see a few big programs in the Big East getting some meaningful work in early on in the offseason.
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I wonder if Diener had anything to do with the Italy trip.
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No Travis said it was just a coincidence.
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No Travis said it was just a coincidence.
Maybe it was a vicious lie and he really set the entire thing up.
Do we have dates for it yet, by the way? And a detailed itinerary? I have a bit of an interest in heading over for it.
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Zona fans still saying it's basically a done deal with him going to zona
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Zona fans still saying it's basically a done deal with him going to zona
He's not been to Real Chili yet. Patience everyone.
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Zona fans still saying it's basically a done deal with him going to zona
The Louisville paper has his schedule as this ...
Lee visits Arizona first, from Friday [today] to Sunday, then Louisville from Sunday to Tuesday. Gonzaga's coaches will fly to Baltimore to visit Lee next Wednesday. He is familiar with Maryland, which is a short drive from home, and may still set up a visit with Marquette, though his trips have to align with his mom's work schedule.
http://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/louisville/2015/04/15/louisville-basketball-transfer-target-damion-lee-thorough-research/25841223/
If Zona fans are correct, he'll commit before he is scheduled to fly to Louisville on Sunday. If not, Zona is not probably not going to happen.
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Dear Arizona Fans-
Respect the process.
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Stanley, Zeus considering staying
http://tucson.com/stanley-zeus-considering-staying/article_55ff0516-e627-11e4-a3fc-27fc8247c66b.html
Stanley, Zeus considering staying
Stanley Johnson may be dealing with the biggest decision of his adult life, which … just started.
“He’s only 18,” Johnson’s mother, Karen Taylor, said, repeatedly, while discussing her son’s decision of whether to leave the Arizona Wildcats after just one season.
Sitting in the Top 5 in the NBA mock drafts for most of his freshman season at Arizona, Johnson has slightly dropped into the 6-10 range — which still means he’s projected to earn at least $2 million next season in the NBA.
That’s why UA coaches have been preparing for his departure, and continue to do so. They even have Drexel grad transfer Damion Lee, a high-powered wing scorer, on campus for a recruiting visit this weekend.
But while UA center Kaleb Tarczewski has not yet declared his expected decision to stay at UA, Taylor and Johnson’s high school coach insist Johnson is thinking about sticking around, too.
“I know all the other kids who have announced didn’t come back to school, but Stanley’s still taking classes,” said Gary McKnight, who coached Johnson at Mater Dei High School. “To me that’s a good sign that he’s seriously considering coming back. I’ve encouraged him to stay. He’s only 18 and an extra year of college basketball can put him in the top echelon. And he really enjoys college.”
McKnight said he spoke to Johnson last week and believed he “has a real conflict going and can’t make up his mind.”
Taylor said her son is “still processing” all the information, while Tarczewski’s former coach and mentor John Carroll, said earlier this month that Tarczewski was taking his time with his decision.
While neither Johnson nor Tarczewski could be reached for comment, here’s some of the arguments that might be floating around in their heads as the April 26 deadline to declare for early draft entry nears:
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Competition for Lee?
Arizona signee Allonzo Trier is MVP at Jordan Brand Classic
http://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/arizona-wildcats-signee-allonzo-trier-co-mvp-jordan-brand-classic-041715
Arizona Wildcats signee Allonzo Trier was selected co-MVP of the prestigious Jordan Brand Classic game, held Friday night in Brooklyn, N.Y.
Trier scored 26 points on 8 of 10 shooting to lead the West to a 118-116 over the East. Cheick Diallo, who has not committed, scored 26 points, making 12 of 16 shots, to earn MVP honors for the East.
Trier, a 6-foot-4 guard known for his scoring ability, also had four rebounds.
Wrote Scout.com's Rob Harrington after the game:
"There aren't many who can score with Trier, an Arizona signee. He was up to his usual tricks during the Jordan game and tallied his 28 points to lead all scorers. Trier was aggressive off the dribble and found ways to slice his way to the basket. He's a physical driver who also plays well through contact. He finished after a bump multiple times in this one. Trier also worked in mid-range jump shots and buried a long-range jumper."
Trier is rated 17th overall nationally and the No. 2 shooting guard by Scout.com. He is part of an Arizona recruiting class that is ranked No. 1 by Scout, although many pending signings could shake up the rankings. The Wildcats are on the hunt for more help, too, including a pair of graduate transfers on campus this weekend -- power forward Mark Tollefsen from the University of San Francisco and wing Damion Lee from Drexel.
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If Lee went to Arizona, I'm sure Miller would get Trier and him on the court together. More likely Stanley Johnson staying would have more impact on Lee's decision.
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Zona fans still saying it's basically a done deal with him going to zona
Apparently Lee has left Tucson without a verbal/commitment and is on his way to Louisville.
Do Zona fans still this is #donedeal!
http://cardinalsportszone.com/2015/04/19/damion-lee-and-tyus-battle-both-visiting-louisville-sunday/
One week ago, Lee tweeted out that his final five are Arizona, Gonzaga, Louisville, Marquette, and Maryland. For a while, it seemed like it would come down to Louisville and Maryland because Lee is a native of Baltimore. However, the latest chatter seems to point to it actually coming down to Louisville and Arizona. He just finished his visit out west with the Wildcats, and if he is leaving there without committing, Rick Pitino having him come to campus right after that is huge.
Lee has said that he wants to make his decision in early May
This is the Louisville paper ... they don't know anything other than he left AZ without committing.
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Point Guard U @UofAPointGuardU 2h2 hours ago
Damion Lee and Mark Tollefsen visits went great for Arizona. Need to see how the scholly's play out.
Point Guard U @UofAPointGuardU 4h4 hours ago
Arizona leads for Damion Lee. Won't see a decision today though. It's either Stanley Johnson or Damion Lee at the three spot next season.
Javier Morales @JavierJMorales 2h2 hours ago
Stanley Johnson has until next Sun to decide NBA in plans for next yr. Damion Lee's decision could hinge on that for playing time on wing.
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Arizona fans claim Lee is waiting for Stanley Johnson to make his decision. Really like to hear is nail down a date. Gonzaga expected to have an in home this week.
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Arizona fans claim Lee is waiting for Stanley Johnson to make his decision. Really like to hear is nail down a date. Gonzaga expected to have an in home this week.
Yes ... from my two posts above, the "insiders" from bother Louisville and Zona boith think they are #donedeal! to get Lee. No doubt the "insiders" for Gonzaga will be saying "donedeal! on Wednesday.
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R-E-L-A-X. If you guys haven't seen it yet, you never will. This isn't some incoming freshman who's going to get caught up in the excitement of a recruiting visit and commit on the spot. He's done his homework and knows what he's looking for. He cut his list to 5 and is going to give each of the 5 programs their shot to sell him on their school. We'll know in early May, like he's said all along. Respect the process.
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R-E-L-A-X. If you guys haven't seen it yet, you never will. This isn't some incoming freshman who's going to get caught up in the excitement of a recruiting visit and commit on the spot. He's done his homework and knows what he's looking for. He cut his list to 5 and is going to give each of the 5 programs their shot to sell him on their school. We'll know in early May, like he's said all along. Respect the process.
I don't expect him to jump the gun either, but worth reporting what's out there.
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Arizona fans claim Lee is waiting for Stanley Johnson to make his decision. Really like to hear is nail down a date. Gonzaga expected to have an in home this week.
Stanley is only 18 and the rumor is his mom would like him to return to UA for another season. She feels he is to too young. We shall see how this plays out. If he returns, Lee will not be playing is Tucson.
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I just hope all the ZonaScoopers haven't changed their screen names to LeeSomething because that would spell doom for us.
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Has nice things to say about Zona, but still plans on taking all five visits.
http://collegebasketball.scout.com/story/1538923-lee-sees-arizona-next-up-is-louisville?s=196
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I don't think anything. I think Benny was making a joke because he has the same last name as a bar on NYU's campus. I could be wrong though
;D
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Stay classy Louisville
@ThatBoysGood UofL campus, show out and toss the finest poon towards Damion Lee during his visit. Team needs that dude.
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Stay classy Louisville
@ThatBoysGood UofL campus, show out and toss the finest poon towards Damion Lee during his visit. Team needs that dude.
Pitino will be getting him back room table service at Porcini's. Rick's favorite slime pit.
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R-E-L-A-X. If you guys haven't seen it yet, you never will. This isn't some incoming freshman who's going to get caught up in the excitement of a recruiting visit and commit on the spot. He's done his homework and knows what he's looking for. He cut his list to 5 and is going to give each of the 5 programs their shot to sell him on their school. We'll know in early May, like he's said all along. Respect the process.
If that is the case that he will be allowing all 5 schools to give him their best shot, Wojo's powerpoint will outshine the Arizona girls, Louisville tradition, as well as the others. Respect the process.
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Yes ... from my two posts above, the "insiders" from bother Louisville and Zona boith think they are #donedeal! to get Lee. No doubt the "insiders" for Gonzaga will be saying "donedeal! on Wednesday.
BS. Wojo's power point is the "done deal."
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Geez Willie, you've had some great fresh takes this week. We get it. Try some new talking points or maybe the mods can put you on time out.
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If that is the case that he will be allowing all 5 schools to give him their best shot, Wojo's powerpoint will outshine the Arizona girls, Louisville tradition finest poon, as well as the others. Respect the process.
FIFY
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If that is the case that he will be allowing all 5 schools to give him their best shot, Wojo's powerpoint will outshine the Arizona girls, Louisville tradition, as well as the others. Respect the process.
Mazos, you've been hanging out with the Racine high school teacher who posts here (can't remember his username off the top of my head) too often lately. Just relax a little bit. It's good for you.
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They have hot girls, we have an ice cream truck. (said like "we have a Hulk" in Avengers).
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Mazos, you've been hanging out with the Racine high school teacher who posts here (can't remember his username off the top of my head) too often lately. Just relax a little bit. It's good for you.
KenoshaWarrior aka "who's Ron Paul?"
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Geez Willie, you've had some great fresh takes this week. We get it. Try some new talking points or maybe the mods can put you on time out.
Don't read it then. Or become the thought police yourself.
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Don't read it then. Or become the thought police yourself.
(http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/705640-beating-a-dead-horse)
And.........ignore.
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KenoshaWarrior aka "who's Ron Paul?"
Haha yes you are right, that's the 1.
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Pitino will be getting him back room table service at Porcini's. Rick's favorite slime pit.
Jason Anderson @J680Anderson 41m41 minutes ago
Just saw Rick Pitino and Kenny Johnson leaving a local restaurant with Mangok Mathiang and Damion Lee and his family
Wonder what that local restaurant was?
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Jason Anderson @J680Anderson 41m41 minutes ago
Just saw Rick Pitino and Kenny Johnson leaving a local restaurant with Mangok Mathiang and Damion Lee and his family
Wonder what that local restaurant was?
(http://porcinilouisville.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/porcini-store-front2.jpg)
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What was for desert?
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Who??
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See the highlighted part. I have not seen this written before, has anyone else? I guess is the difference between a 1 and done high school kid and a kid that is about to graduate with a college degree.
Question, is it an NCAA violation to hack his laptop and manipulate his analysis?
Just asking.
Transfer Damion Lee Finishes Two Visits, Returns Home
Jeff Ermann - 7 hours ago
http://247sports.com/Bolt/Transfer-Damion-Lee-Finishes-Two-Visits-Returns-Home-36905825
Highly sought Drexel transfer Damion Lee wrapped up his second visit and returned home from consecutive trips to Arizona and Louisville -- a couple of programs with coaches known for closing on recruits during visit -- still uncommitted last night.
Lee, a 6-foot-6, immediately-eligible shooting guard from Baltimore who might be college basketball's most prized available transfer, is scheduled receive an in-home visit Wednesday from Gonzaga. Maryland has remained in contact and per sources with knowledge of his recruitment, he could visit College Park this month but no visit has been scheduled yet.
“I’m still going to coordinate that with my mom with her work schedule,” Lee told Scout's Evan Daniels last weekend. “I got to make sure that, that coordinates together. We’ll start setting up those other visits.”
Marquette is the fifth school on his final list for Lee, who last week told the Louisville Courier-Journal he's using advanced scouting and statistical analysis to help him pick a school. The process is also happening under an intense spotlight; the fourth-leading scorer in the nation last year at 21.4 points per game, Lee's recruitment became a national story line quickly after he announced his decision to transfer three weeks ago.
"It's been crazy," Lee told the Courier-Journal. "Just these last couple weeks, with all the schools calling, trying to see what I wanted to narrow my list down to -- and not even just coaches, but media outlets, friends, family. Everyone's just trying to get the scoop."
Lee, who also averaged 6.1 rebounds while shooting 38.5 percent from 3-point range and 88.7 percent on free throws last season, visited Arizona over the weekend. The Wildcats are well-stocked at his position, highlighted by incoming McDonald's All-American Allonzo Trier, and likely pushing the idea of moving to small forward and replacing freshman Stanley Johnson should Johnson declare for the NBA Draft. There's more playing time available at Louisville, which lost several guards immediately after the season. But the Cardinals didn't get a commitment -- at least, not publicly -- during his visit and will reportedly host another prospect at his position Wednesday when Coppin State graduate transfer Sterling Smith arrives for a visit.
Maryland, meanwhile, has established standouts at point guard (Melo Trimble), small forward (Jake Layman) and power forward (Robert Carter), and they signed the nation's No. 2 center, Diamond Stone, last week. The Terps return a pair of promising sophomore wing guards in Jared Nickens and Dion Wiley, but they don't have an ironclad starter at the position after losing seniors Dez Wells and Richaud Pack to graduation.
Lee's high school coach at Baltimore's Calvert Hall, John Bauersfeld said last week Lee's decision won't be a simple matter of where he'll get the most shots or minutes.
“If you know Damion as a kid, he’s not hung up on the fact that he’s not going to have an opportunity to score 20 a game or get this many shots. He’s not that kind of kid. He filled that role at Drexel because he needed to,” he said. “He’s really just looking for where he feels most comfortable as a school. Any of those five schools, they aren’t going to recruit him if he’s not going to play ... He’s going to take his visits and see where he feels the most comfortable and he’s going to go from there. I think every school has different appeals to it.”
Whether it's Lee or another addition, Maryland coach Mark Turgeon appears sure to add another perimeter player to next year's roster. The Terps lost a combined 55 minutes per game between Wells and Pack, and while some of that playing time will go to Stone, Carter, Wiley and Nickens , they've added only junior college point guard Jaylen Brantley in the backcourt.
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Interesting, as MU has access to excellent statistical analysis through the Bucks. Maybe they can get Lee down into the Bucks' computer lab and show him just how efficiently he can plot his way to the NBA.
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Interesting, as MU has access to excellent statistical analysis through the Bucks. Maybe they can get Lee down into the Bucks' computer lab and show him just how efficiently he can plot his way to the NBA.
This could be a good way to help convince him. I mean this genuinely. I think Wojo can give him a really good picture of how he would be used and how our efficiency numbers could increase with him in a lineup.
...someone get Bama into Milwaukee, stat.
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This could be a good way to help convince him. I mean this genuinely. I think Wojo can give him a really good picture of how he would be used and how our efficiency numbers could increase with him in a lineup.
...someone get Bama into Milwaukee, stat.
Great minds think alike .... I just PM'ed him about 5 minutes ago!
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It sounds like Damion really values "fit" and feeling at home more than what a lot of average recruits do. If this is true, he is a very wise young man. I hope he feels that fit at Marquette.
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It sounds like Damion really values "fit" and feeling at home more than what a lot of average recruits do. If this is true, he is a very wise young man. I hope he feels that fit at Marquette.
That's something I am confident Wojo csn sell. Fit is always his first goal.
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Well, crap.
Jeff Goodman @GoodmanESPN
Drexel transfer Damion Lee headed to Louisville. HUGE pickup for Cardinals
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Quick everyone change their user names!
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Damn...Louisville was always the school to beat.
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New avatar, ayn'a? "Agree with me, or Jean Claude Van Damme's half-brother gets it"
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No worries. Next man up. Good luck Mr. Lee. Best wishes from all us scoopers.
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New avatar, ayn'a? "Agree with me, or Jean Claude Van Damme's half-brother gets it"
Ahh, memories!
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Whos left out there, still don't get Stj leaving to sit out, had a much better chance to get reps here
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Gross, why Louisville?
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Gross, why Louisville?
Lots of available minutes. Probably more to give than we have.
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Gross, why Louisville?
Slick Rick does it again.
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Gross, why Louisville?
Better Italian eateries.
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Fucckkina. Louisville grabbin' all the grad transfers.
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Better Italian eateries.
As we all know, everyone loves eating out at Italian restaurants in Louisville.
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Lots of available minutes. Probably more to give than we have.
I understand why, it was more or less of all the schools in D1 why did he pick that wasteland? Louisville fans just really irk me.
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Better Italian eateries.
Doesn't Milwaukee have an Olive Garden?
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Zona fans still saying it's basically a done deal with him going to zona
#donedeal!
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Damion Lee @DameX_0 · 2h 2 hours ago
#L1C4 Louisville First Cards Forever.
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Damion Lee @DameX_0 · 2h 2 hours ago
#L1C4 Louisville First Cards Forever.
Sure ... if forever equals a few months.
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Damn...Louisville was always the school to beat.
But they don't have a NBA team in their city? :D
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But they don't have a NBA team in their city? :D
No, just a perennial blueblood with a Hall of Fame head coach and newer arena than we have.
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I understand why, it was more or less of all the schools in D1 why did he pick that wasteland? Louisville fans just really irk me.
Hilarious name Chitown.
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Gross, why Louisville?
Not gross, KFC Yum!
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No, just a perennial blueblood with a Hall of Fame head coach and newer arena than we have.
They could still play in Freedom Hall and they would still get him.
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Next man up
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They could still play in Freedom Hall and they would still get him.
There are obviously numerous factors in any recruitment. Why you sometimes feel such a desperate, overwhelming need to troll Marquette and Milwaukee is beyond me.
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I'm now disrespecting the process....and I'm damn sure not R-E-L-A-X ing
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Hilarious name Chitown.
One of my more clever ideas. I'll be on lookout for you and jsglow Jr tonight.
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I really thought being the only place on his list he hadn't scheduled a visit to meant we were a lock.
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I understand why, it was more or less of all the schools in D1 why did he pick that wasteland? Louisville fans just really irk me.
Well, that wasteland is marshaled by the best coach in all of present day basketball. Easy decision for Lee.
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Well, that wasteland is marshaled by the best coach in all of present day basketball. Easy decision for Lee.
Pitino is the best coach? Wow. Guess you're not familiar with Coach K.
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Pitino is the best coach? Wow. Guess you're not familiar with Coach K.
I'm very familiar with Coach K.
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I'm very familiar with Coach K.
I'd take Coach K in a heartbeat. On top of everything else, his level of difficulty is higher because he's limited to recruiting players who are familiar with a classroom. Something Pitino has never had to worry about at UK and UL.
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I'd take Coach K in a heartbeat. On top of everything else, his level of difficulty is higher because he's limited to recruiting players who are familiar with a classroom. Something Pitino has never had to worry about at UK and UL.
Oh come on. Duke is a great school, but its not like he's recruiting to Stanford or Harvard. Pitino has won everywhere, not just one school. And he also has a far superior coaching tree.
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Oh come on. Duke is a great school, but its not like he's recruiting to Stanford or Harvard. Pitino has won everywhere, not just one school. And he also has a far superior coaching tree.
You're insane. Duke is a fantastic school...and it is absolutely in the same neighborhood as schools like Stanford and Northwestern. So, Pitino wins everywhere? Might want to ask the Boston Celtics about that. He was a total failure in the NBA.
However, there's one area where Pitino leads: boning waitresses in broom closets.
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You're insane. Duke is a fantastic school...and it is absolutely in the same neighborhood as schools like Stanford and Northwestern. So, Pitino wins everywhere? Might want to ask the Boston Celtics about that. He was a total failure in the NBA.
However, there's one area where Pitino leads: boning waitresses in broom closets.
Stanford and the Ivy's are the only schools that do not make exceptions in terms of accepting student-athletes that would not otherwise qualify for the school. At those schools they must meet the minimum listed requirements to get into the school (so, say Stanford requires a 31 ACT score and a 3.5 GPA on a 4.0 scale...the student-athlete must be meet both of those requirements. Where it helps to be a student-athlete is that at those schools, they may list those as the minimum requirements, but in reality you really need a 3.7 GPA and a 33 ACT score to be accepted due to the high number of top level applicants. The student-athletes who meet the minimum requirements but do not exceed them to the point of what is really accepted for the "common" student will get preference). So, Duke is like any other school where if they want a student-athlete, they are not going to have to get a 30 ACT and have a 3.3 GPA like a "common" student would to even be considered for Duke. They could have a 20 ACT and a 2.5 GPA and be just fine. (I believe Hesenberg got this wrong in his thread questioning why basketball players who don't have a pro future don't use their status as division 1 student-athletes to go to the Ivy League schools. The answer is simple in many ways, but most simply, not many student-athletes have the grades to get into these schools.)
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Oh come on. Duke is a great school, but its not like he's recruiting to Stanford or Harvard. Pitino has won everywhere, not just one school. And he also has a far superior coaching tree.
Duke is considered a Southern Ivy, along with Vanderbilt, Emory and Rice.
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Stanford and the Ivy's are the only schools that do not make exceptions in terms of accepting student-athletes that would not otherwise qualify for the school. At those schools they must meet the minimum listed requirements to get into the school (so, say Stanford requires a 31 ACT score and a 3.5 GPA on a 4.0 scale...the student-athlete must be meet both of those requirements. Where it helps to be a student-athlete is that at those schools, they may list those as the minimum requirements, but in reality you really need a 3.7 GPA and a 33 ACT score to be accepted due to the high number of top level applicants. The student-athletes who meet the minimum requirements but do not exceed them to the point of what is really accepted for the "common" student will get preference). So, Duke is like any other school where if they want a student-athlete, they are not going to have to get a 30 ACT and have a 3.3 GPA like a "common" student would to even be considered for Duke. They could have a 20 ACT and a 2.5 GPA and be just fine. (I believe Hesenberg got this wrong in his thread questioning why basketball players who don't have a pro future don't use their status as division 1 student-athletes to go to the Ivy League schools. The answer is simple in many ways, but most simply, not many student-athletes have the grades to get into these schools.)
At my old gig I had a guy that worked for me for many years that swam for Penn. His dad was actually the GM of the Detroit Lions prior to Matt Millen. He would tell me that he got in without necessarily the grades, but his swimming capabilities. You don't get scholarships for athletics at Ivys, but he got plenty of financial aid to take care of tuition, etc.
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At my old gig I had a guy that worked for me for many years that swam for Penn. His dad was actually the GM of the Detroit Lions prior to Matt Millen. He would tell me that he got in without necessarily the grades, but his swimming capabilities. You don't get scholarships for athletics at Ivys, but he got plenty of financial aid to take care of tuition, etc.
You are correct. The ivies and Stanford will allow "some" athletes (maybe 25%) with grades and test scores that would not otherwise get them admitted. That said, they cannot be down near "Diamond Stone numbers" but they will let things slide for a certain few.
The rest have to meet the school's standards.
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Oh come on. Duke is a great school, but its not like he's recruiting to Stanford or Harvard. Pitino has won everywhere, not just one school. And he also has a far superior coaching tree.
Habba- whaaaa???
Pitino's tree: 6 NCAA Championships
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Coach K's tree: 8 NCAA Championships, 1 pre-1985 NIT Championship, 3 Olympic Gold Medals & Wojo.
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Benny's laying 10:1 that K's tree gets another championship before Pitino's.
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You're insane. Duke is a fantastic school...and it is absolutely in the same neighborhood as schools like Stanford and Northwestern. So, Pitino wins everywhere? Might want to ask the Boston Celtics about that. He was a total failure in the NBA.
Duke is considered a Southern Ivy, along with Vanderbilt, Emory and Rice.
I'm well aware how fantastic Duke is as a school, but like Wade said, my point is that its athletic restrictions are not like that of other schools. UNC, Texas, USC, and ND are also tremendous schools but their academic requirements for athletes are not that of the general student body.
As for the Celtics, apples and oranges. We're talking college basketball. He's been successful at 4 different programs, incredibly successful at 3 of those.
Habba- whaaaa???
Pitino's tree: 6 NCAA Championships
Coach K's tree: 8 NCAA Championships, 1 pre-1985 NIT Championship, 3 Olympic Gold Medals & Wojo.
Benny's laying 10:1 that K's tree gets another championship before Pitino's.
How are you defining tree? Cause I don't include Coach K, and I imagine you're including Bobby Knight, in that as well. I meant Pitino's and Coach K's former staff/players who went on to be successful coach.
Pitino: Billy Donovan, Tubby Smith, Mick Cronin, Jeff Van Gundy, Travis Ford, Frank Vogel, Jim O'Brien (not even including guys like Kevin Willard, Herb Sendek, or Steve Masiello)
Coach K: Mike Brey, Quinn Snyder, Tommy Amaker, Johnny Dawkins, Chris Collins, and Wojo (Jeff Capel and Bobby Hurley are maybes)
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How are you defining tree? Cause I don't include Coach K, and I imagine you're including Bobby Knight, in that as well. I meant Pitino's and Coach K's former staff/players who went on to be successful coach.
Pitino: Billy Donovan, Tubby Smith, Mick Cronin, Jeff Van Gundy, Travis Ford, Frank Vogel, Jim O'Brien (not even including guys like Kevin Willard, Herb Sendek, or Steve Masiello)
Coach K: Mike Brey, Quinn Snyder, Tommy Amaker, Johnny Dawkins, Chris Collins, and Wojo (Jeff Capel and Bobby Hurley are maybes)
I agree with you. Coach K is a branch on the Bob Knight tree. The branches on Coach K's trees haven't produced a single Final Four, let alone a National Championship. Pitino's pupils have been much more successful than K's.
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At my old gig I had a guy that worked for me for many years that swam for Penn. His dad was actually the GM of the Detroit Lions prior to Matt Millen. He would tell me that he got in without necessarily the grades, but his swimming capabilities. You don't get scholarships for athletics at Ivys, but he got plenty of financial aid to take care of tuition, etc.
Really? Maybe it's different now or maybe different schools do it differently, but the guy I coached volleyball with was offered the women's volleyball assistant coaching position at Cornell (he was only interested in it so he could get his PhD from Cornell for free and ultimately turned the job down) and they obviously explained all of the recruiting aspects and what student-athletes are required to do to be accepted into the program and he said that in the Ivies they have to meet the minimum listed requirements for students to be accepted into the school. That as well as having coached 2 different kids who were recruited by the likes of Princeton, Stanford, and NYU (both ended up choosing Stanford) for men's volleyball and being required to meet the minimum entrance requirements for Princeton and Stanford but not for NYU, but not being required to get anything more than those minimum requirements like "common" students would be. I don't know, maybe it's not a requirement but something some schools follow but others don't, or maybe different sports have different requirements or different schools, etc.
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Am I the only one who thinks that a coach's "coaching tree" not matter one bit in considering how good of a college basketball coach he is? His job is to coach college kids at the sport of basketball, not to mentor future coaches and send them on to successful programs. If Wojo wins 2 National titles here but none of his coaches ever get head coaching gigs I'll still consider him the best coach in MU basketball history.
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Am I the only one who thinks that a coach's "coaching tree" not matter one bit in considering how good of a college basketball coach he is? His job is to coach college kids at the sport of basketball, not to mentor future coaches and send them on to successful programs. If Wojo wins 2 National titles here but none of his coaches ever get head coaching gigs I'll still consider him the best coach in MU basketball history.
Making good staffing decisions is part of being a good head coach.
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Really? Maybe it's different now or maybe different schools do it differently, but the guy I coached volleyball with was offered the women's volleyball assistant coaching position at Cornell (he was only interested in it so he could get his PhD from Cornell for free and ultimately turned the job down) and they obviously explained all of the recruiting aspects and what student-athletes are required to do to be accepted into the program and he said that in the Ivies they have to meet the minimum listed requirements for students to be accepted into the school. That as well as having coached 2 different kids who were recruited by the likes of Princeton, Stanford, and NYU (both ended up choosing Stanford) for men's volleyball and being required to meet the minimum entrance requirements for Princeton and Stanford but not for NYU, but not being required to get anything more than those minimum requirements like "common" students would be. I don't know, maybe it's not a requirement but something some schools follow but others don't, or maybe different sports have different requirements or different schools, etc.
Meeting the minimum is vastly different than actually having the grades etc to get admitted WITHOUT the athletics. Guy from my high school went to Yale and played football. No effing way he gets into Yale on grades alone. Sure he met the "minimum" but he wasnt getting in without football.
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Oh come on. Duke is a great school, but its not like he's recruiting to Stanford or Harvard. Pitino has won everywhere, not just one school. And he also has a far superior coaching tree.
http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
If Duke is just a good school you must think Marquette is like a community college at best.
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http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities
If Duke is just a good school you must think Marquette is like a community college at best.
Read what I wrote above, at no point did I disparage Duke as a school, jeez. I used "great" and "fantastic", never "good"
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Meeting the minimum is vastly different than actually having the grades etc to get admitted WITHOUT the athletics. Guy from my high school went to Yale and played football. No effing way he gets into Yale on grades alone. Sure he met the "minimum" but he wasnt getting in without football.
Right, I agree. But my point is that the Ivies and Stanford are the only schools that list minimum requirements for entrance into the school and require their student-athletes to also meet these minimum requirements. So a school like Penn or Stanford may list minimum requirements at a 31 ACT and 3.4 GPA on a 4.0 scale and every student-athlete has to get at the very least those numbers, but in reality if you are a "common" student applying there they may not even consider you if you're below a 33 ACT and 3.6 GPA, whereas they will get you in if you're a student athlete you just need the 31 ACT and 3.4 GPA. At schools like Marquette they may list a minimum requirement of a 24 GPA and 2.8 GPA for a admission into the school, but if a top 75 recruit gets a 20 ACT and has a 2.4 GPA they will have no issue getting into Marquette despite not meeting the listed "minimum" requirements. The same with Duke, Northwestern, and many other very good academic institutions. The only schools that require their minimum admission requirements be met for student-athletes at the D1 level are the Ivies and Stanford.
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I agree with you. Coach K is a branch on the Bob Knight tree. The branches on Coach K's trees haven't produced a single Final Four, let alone a National Championship. Pitino's pupils have been much more successful than K's.
"So, Mr. Affleck, you're the patriarch of your family, right? No ancestors or anything in your past?"
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I agree with you. Coach K is a branch on the Bob Knight tree. The branches on Coach K's trees haven't produced a single Final Four, let alone a National Championship. Pitino's pupils have been much more successful than K's.
And Bob Knight is from the Fred Taylor tree who came from the Tippy Dye tree who came from the Harold Olsen tree who came from the played at Wisconsin under Walter Meanwell. Which means Wojo is actually from a Wisconsin Basketball tree! :'(
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And Bob Knight is from the Fred Taylor tree who came from the Tippy Dye tree who came from the Harold Olsen tree who came from the played at Wisconsin under Walter Meanwell. Which means Wojo is actually from a Wisconsin Basketball tree! :'(
"No, Mr. PBS Guy. I have absolutely no ancestors that I wish to speak about. Certainly not any that would root for the University of Wisconsin today."
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Am I the only one who thinks that a coach's "coaching tree" not matter one bit in considering how good of a college basketball coach he is? His job is to coach college kids at the sport of basketball, not to mentor future coaches and send them on to successful programs. If Wojo wins 2 National titles here but none of his coaches ever get head coaching gigs I'll still consider him the best coach in MU basketball history.
Agreed. I was going to say something similar. Coaching tree doesn't mean crap to how good of a coach you are.
Making good staffing decisions is part of being a good head coach.
Yes, but good staffing decisions does not translate into guys that are good head coaches. For instance, Mike Martz was one of the greatest offensive coordinators building that offense in STL, "the greatest show on turf". He was an awful head coach. It looks bad on Dick Vermeil's "coaching tree" yet he was a great staffing position because he was a fantastic OC. Same with a lot of Belichick's assistants. Almost all of them have been terrible head coaches yet a lot excelled as assistants.
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Agreed. I was going to say something similar. Coaching tree doesn't mean crap to how good of a coach you are.
Yes, but good staffing decisions does not translate into guys that are good head coaches. For instance, Mike Martz was one of the greatest offensive coordinators building that offense in STL, "the greatest show on turf". He was an awful head coach. It looks bad on Dick Vermeil's "coaching tree" yet he was a great staffing position because he was a fantastic OC. Same with a lot of Belichick's assistants. Almost all of them have been terrible head coaches yet a lot excelled as assistants.
Well football is different than basketball, coordinators often proceed to HC, but a coordinator is a specialist while a HC is a generalist often times. Lot of great HCs were never coordinators. John Harbaugh comes to mind.
I don't think its the end all be all, but I think there is something to it. Its staffing, its mentoring of direct reports, its management.
Also, as I think about it, often coaches who stay at one program a long time with a system don't have great coaching trees. Coach K, Boeheim, Bo, even Bobby Knight. Might have something to do with viewing it as progressively climbing a ladder through successes and failures as opposed to a patient tenure.