[Enlund's Blog] Police report says MU players involved in altercation

[TomEnlundSays]

Police report says MU players involved in altercation
               



A new Milwaukee Police report released Friday says six Marquette University basketball players were involved in an altercation on Jan. 29 at the Apt. 720 Club, a downtown Milwaukee nightclub where the six were ticketed for being underage minors.

               

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/146453905.html
               

[4everwarriors]

Not again?

[StillAWarrior]

Police report says MU players involved in altercation
                



A new Milwaukee Police report released Friday says six Marquette University basketball players were involved in an altercation on Jan. 29 at the Apt. 720 Club, a downtown Milwaukee nightclub where the six were ticketed for being underage minors.

                

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/146453905.html
                

There, but for the grace of God, go I.  I was an "underage minor" once.  Fortunately, I was never ticketed.  My kids all are "underage minors" and I sincerely hope that they don't get ticketed.

[lab_warrior]

YAWN.

[Wareagle]

I remember when it was Eve.  I saw Latrell Sprewell and Dan Gadzuric one night.  Dan rolled up in a pimped out conversion van and promptly got into a fight with a dude who was 5 foot nothing and got taken to the ground before bouncers broke it up.  Good times.

[dw3dw3dw3]

Wow, the team took out 30 people at the same time, maybe Buzz should start making it as part of boot camp to toughen the guys up.

Such a dumb article. Obvious MPD is in some sort of CYA mode.  Queue up Michaels to start quoting all of his sources again.

I'm interested to see the fan reaction of Don Walker as he attends his next MU game. 4 stellar MU articles as of late. 3 on the gathering of black males at a club getting in an argument and 1 on the increase of merchandise sales in sweet 16 week.

[muwarrior97]

YAWN.

Spot-on as usual........this is so ahhhhhh zzzzzzz

[mu_hilltopper]

Putting aside the underage drinking (minor deal) and potential fisticuffs (no one filed a complaint) .. the thing that irritates me most is .. once again, Marquette's reaction to not just come out with the damn story.  

It was just freaking inevitable that, with a spectacle like this, 30 people involved, a bar being shut down, 11 squads being called that of course, a record of the police report was going to be made public.

So when police report #1 comes out, instead of mentioning the altercation, MU sticks with "underage drinking" when they certainly knew it was more than that.  The media, and radio stations pounce with rumors worse than the truth.

Well, gosh, now police report #2 comes out and lays out the big picture and here we go, an unnecessary round #2 in the media where breathless media will report MU players being in an altercation -- which was inevitable, just could have come out in 1 news cycle instead of 2 .. which makes it look like MU was trying to hide the full story/cover it up.  

Oh, wait, here it is, Standard Operating Procedure, page 1.  

Queue the "well, what did you want them to say?" in 3...2..1...

[CTWarrior]

I chalk up the idea of being underage in a bar to "boys will be boys."  After all, I was 17 my entire first semester at MU and that never kept me from the campus bars and actually having a beer or 7.  So I never thought it was a big deal that they were in a bar, especially if they weren't drinking.  But you have to show better sense, knowing what has been going on with the program, than to get involved in a brawl that causes the police to be called.  And if they weren't involved in the brawl, I'm sure they had plenty of time to leave before police arrived.  Have to use your head a little better than that.

[GGGG]

If I could read between the lines here, my impression of this incident was that the basketball players got involved with something that they didn't initiate, but they gave them the underage drinking tickets because they had some culpability for what went on.

And all I know is that none of this sh*t happened before Jake Thomas transferred here.

[MU B2002]

Lol
Thx Sultan. 

[Warriors4ever]

I'n unclear - is this a "new" report as in the police just wrote it?  or a "new" report as in they are just releasing it?  
If they wrote a prior report on March 20 that made no mention of an "altercation" then what, they just found out about it, including from their own officers?  If they prepared reports that didn't mention something they witnessed and then added it in this long after, they wouldn't have much credibility on the witness stand. Being involved in an altercation also doesn't mean the players were agressors or at fault, so why even say that no one filed complaints against them.  Does the report name everyone else involved or just the players - no idea from this story.
If the only thing that came out of this was some tickets, then it wasn't much of an altercation.  And the only thing I would have expected the school to release was information regarding actual tickets and not conjecture or supposition.
I do agree that they need to show more common sense, though.

[warriorchick]

And all I know is that none of this sh*t happened before Jake Thomas transferred here.

Yeah, I knew the first time I laid eyes on him that he had "troublemaker" written all over him.

[Skitch]

But, but, but...I thought DJO was there busting heads? Kickin ass and takin names? How did this story miss that?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Minor incident. Normally not a big deal.

Added to the stuff from last year, and MU is under increased scrutiny.

For now, and the immediate future, MU hoops needs to be doing it better and cleaner than the next guy.

Just the way it goes.

[cheebs09]

But, but, but...I thought DJO was there busting heads? Kickin ass and takin names? How did this story miss that?

Don't worry, I'm sure they are trying to stretch this into a 3-part series.

[muguru]

But, but, but...I thought DJO was there busting heads? Kickin ass and takin names? How did this story miss that?

Badger fans on their boards know the whole story behind this....just ask them, and if they say that's what DJO was doing, then dammit, he was!

[Desert_warrior]

If there really were 30 people fighting and it took enough police resources to deplete their strength on this one event, wouldn't there have been a write up in the newspaper the next day or so? I would think that would have made the news and when it did, I would think they would have talked about the basketball players.

[forgetful]

The thing I find interesting is how small of a deal this really was, the players weren't even ticketed for underage drinking, but rather being underage in a club. 

[4everwarriors]

Yeah, I knew the first time I laid eyes on him that he had "troublemaker" written all over him.

You been reading too many Crean tweets

[Hoopaloop]

Putting aside the underage drinking (minor deal) and potential fisticuffs (no one filed a complaint) .. the thing that irritates me most is .. once again, Marquette's reaction to not just come out with the damn story.  

It was just freaking inevitable that, with a spectacle like this, 30 people involved, a bar being shut down, 11 squads being called that of course, a record of the police report was going to be made public.

So when police report #1 comes out, instead of mentioning the altercation, MU sticks with "underage drinking" when they certainly knew it was more than that.  The media, and radio stations pounce with rumors worse than the truth.

Well, gosh, now police report #2 comes out and lays out the big picture and here we go, an unnecessary round #2 in the media where breathless media will report MU players being in an altercation -- which was inevitable, just could have come out in 1 news cycle instead of 2 .. which makes it look like MU was trying to hide the full story/cover it up.  

Oh, wait, here it is, Standard Operating Procedure, page 1.  

Queue the "well, what did you want them to say?" in 3...2..1...

Well said.  This is what the media does, they keep stories alive with this stuff.  Mentioned it the other day.  

Two ways around it.

1)  The guys have to be smarter and not do this stuff and realize who they are
2)  For those who always gravitate to the Boys will be Boys argument, fine, but then the university should just get out in front of it and lay it on the table as Hilltopper suggests and not let the story keep growing legs time and time again when more details keep coming out.  That's the PR problem

[madtownwarrior]

Wow those guys are dickheads - I am not sure how, but 20 guys over there sure make you want to hate the Badgers.....

Badger fans on their boards know the whole story behind this....just ask them, and if they say that's what DJO was doing, then dammit, he was!

[77ncaachamps]

They should have arrested and fired Al for brawling with his player.

/teal


Let MU and the police handle it. Done deal.

Fadger reporters are trying to "even" the score, taint the rep of the program.

But they have NOTHING on Badger misdemeanor...er...misbehavior.

[KenoshaWarrior]

Funny:  I thought Bill Michaels said that DJO put a player into a coma with a bottle????  No mention of DJO in the article.

Idiot Michaels

[mu_hilltopper]

Congrats, Marquette.  You made the news again tonight.

[brewcity77]

I remember hearing that we had hired a PR firm to help deal with stuff like this. So what...are they not on the job yet? How hard is it to get in front of the story? All of this should have come out in a press release by Marquette the second week of February. Were they afraid of interfering with a police investigation? I find it nearly unbelievable that a school with a communications program as extensive as Marquette's can't figure out how to deal with negative press.

[wyzgy]

this is old "friggin" news and whatever....  the only new news is there were fights, but unless i missed something, no warriors were involved.  but my question to the audience is why there seem to be more fights, shootings at these rap music venues??  there always seems to be a big fight erupting and many times, unfortunately someone firing off a gun to put an exclamation on the thing.  what is it about rap music that breeds fights and gunshots?

[brewcity77]

this is old "friggin" news and whatever....  the only new news is there were fights, but unless i missed something, no warriors were involved.  but my question to the audience is why there seem to be more fights, shootings at these rap music venues??  there always seems to be a big fight erupting and many times, unfortunately someone firing off a gun to put an exclamation on the thing.  what is it about rap music that breeds fights and gunshots?

Wow...that doesn't come across as veiled racism or anything.

[Tugg Speedman]

I managed to get some security camera photos.  As the second photo shows, their might be something to DJO and a bottle.

[wyzgy]

Wow...that doesn't come across as veiled racism or anything.

whoopsie, who is got the racism sunglasses on fireboy.  just stating the facts.  never said anything about race.  i said RAP MUSIC.  check out the figures when these things are held down at summerfest and ceratian other areas of the city.  i don't care who is at these functions dude.  whoever is there and is fighting or shooting is a moron.period. put the prism of race down and step back from it.  you'll feel much better for it for you

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

this is old "friggin" news and whatever....  the only new news is there were fights, but unless i missed something, no warriors were involved.  but my question to the audience is why there seem to be more fights, shootings at these rap music venues??  there always seems to be a big fight erupting and many times, unfortunately someone firing off a gun to put an exclamation on the thing.  what is it about rap music that breeds fights and gunshots?

Agree 100%

That St. Patrick's Day rap concert on Water St. was insane, and of course ended in a big brawl.

[Goose]

2002
Agreed the Water St mess on St. Patrick's day was bigger deal and that dies down in media quickly. It really is crazy the double standrards used by the local media.

[real chili 83]

2002
Agreed the Water St mess on St. Patrick's day was bigger deal and that dies down in media quickly. It really is crazy the double standrards used by the local media.

Goose, if I remember correctly, when this story first came out, didn't you say that you knew someone who was at this bar and saw what happened?  If so, what did they see?

[GGGG]

whoopsie, who is got the racism sunglasses on fireboy.  just stating the facts.  never said anything about race.  i said RAP MUSIC.  check out the figures when these things are held down at summerfest and ceratian other areas of the city.  i don't care who is at these functions dude.  whoever is there and is fighting or shooting is a moron.period. put the prism of race down and step back from it.  you'll feel much better for it for you

What facts are you stating?  There weren't any gunshots fired during this incident.

[wyzgy]

Agree 100%

That St. Patrick's Day rap concert on Water St. was insane, and of course ended in a big brawl.

so those irish people are the bad influence-were they the fighting irish?  ruh-roh!!     teehehehehe, i couldn't help myself

[avid1010]

whoopsie, who is got the racism sunglasses on fireboy.  just stating the facts.  never said anything about race.  i said RAP MUSIC.  check out the figures when these things are held down at summerfest and ceratian other areas of the city.  i don't care who is at these functions dude.  whoever is there and is fighting or shooting is a moron.period. put the prism of race down and step back from it.  you'll feel much better for it for you

actually i don't think you have any facts on this...  the only study i have ever seen was put out a year or so ago and said for concerts over 15,000 country music had the most ticketed assualts (also had the most beer consumption).  besides, if the shooting is in self defense, it's all good.  

[wyzgy]

actually i don't think you have any facts on this...  the only study i have ever seen was put out a year or so ago and said for concerts over 15,000 country music had the most ticketed assualts (also had the most beer consumption).  besides, if the shooting is in self defense, it's all good.  

really?  the most beer consumption at a 15,000 country music concert?  what were the numbers of arrests per attendee then?  these rap thingys probably have sometimes 100-200 people attnding with x number of bullets flyin, a few casualties and a schmit load of empty 40's, md 20-20 and tickle pink bottles.  so what's yer point?  assaults right?   

[UticaBusBarn]

It is hard to characterize the article as reporting, much less journalism.

Did anyone at the JS interview any of the police officers involved? Did any member of the press review the MU student procedures and suggest which might have been applied? Did the newspaper attempt to reach any of the of the other 90 individuals involved to get their side of the story? Did the JS attempt to find out why so many police officers had been sent to the scene? Or, why the bar remained open and continued to serve liquor during all the raucous? Etc.

Point of fact is that as often happens in the economically sinking world of newspapers there was no "leg work", or "gum shoeing", and all that was reported was the simple regurgitation of a police file. This, in turn, does a disservice to the community as it tries to fill in the proverbial blanks.

If a job is worth doing, it worth doing well ... or, not at all.

[avid1010]

really?  the most beer consumption at a 15,000 country music concert?  what were the numbers of arrests per attendee then?  these rap thingys probably have sometimes 100-200 people attnding with x number of bullets flyin, a few casualties and a schmit load of empty 40's, md 20-20 and tickle pink bottles.  so what's yer point?  assaults right?   

i don't think you even have a clue as to what you're talking about...sounds like you're saying night clubs can be dangerous.

1.  no kidding
2.  they often play more hip-hop than rap

and the beatles will currupt our generation!

[Skatastrophy]

really?  the most beer consumption at a 15,000 country music concert?  what were the numbers of arrests per attendee then?  these rap thingys probably have sometimes 100-200 people attnding with x number of bullets flyin, a few casualties and a schmit load of empty 40's, md 20-20 and tickle pink bottles.  so what's yer point?  assaults right?   

You are super racist.

[wyzgy]

You are super racist.

content of ones character dude-tell me where i'm racist?  .  i employ people of other persuasions. do you? you know when you point your finger at another there are 3 pointing right back atcha  

[GGGG]

content of ones character dude-tell me where i'm racist?  .  i employ people of other persuasions. do you? you know when you point your finger at another there are 3 pointing right back atcha  

I don't think you are racist.  Terribly ignorant maybe...but not racist.

[wyzgy]

i don't think you even have a clue as to what you're talking about...sounds like you're saying night clubs can be dangerous.

1.  no kidding
2.  they often play more hip-hop than rap

and the beatles will currupt our generation!

i've probably forgot more than you know   somehow i knew the real closet liberals were going to come out here.  how dare you say anything about rap/hip-hop.  just like the controversy about mary blige bk commercial with her selling fried chicken samiches.  so what!  i love fried chicken and even watermelon.  so what!!  who's making that a racist issue??  get over it.  the fact is there are more shootings and fights at rap/hip-hop venues-period.  i don't know what color the instigators are and i don't care.  they are bad/character people and should be dealt with.  you 2 dudes sound like the type that have convicted zimmerman and have donated to the bounty the _____ panthers have put out on him.  race doesn't matter who or what is done here-they are people-let's start there racist

[wyzgy]

I don't think you are racist.  Terribly ignorant maybe...but not racist.

 if name calling works fer ya-happy trails

[Otule's Glass Eye]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7784847/six-marquette-golden-eagles-players-were-fight-club-police-report-says

[real chili 83]

Maybe I am missing something....where's the new information from what was posted yesterday?

[Otule's Glass Eye]

Maybe I am missing something....where's the new information from what was posted yesterday?

well I had not heard about it so I assumed not many other people heard about it either.

[Golden Avalanche]

It's all been said but my takeaway points:

1. Seems to me the club is implicit in all the issues. Love the balls in defying a police order less then 30 minutes after being told to shut it down but it seems the management engendered some of the rabble rousing.

2. I still laugh at the thought of college kids getting non-drinking underage tickets being portrayed as a "story".

3. Milwaukee is having some deep issues in terms of its populace over the last many months. And with Officers capable of raping a woman after she dials 911 for assistance, it's no shock they cocked up a situation like the melee at Club 720.

[avid1010]

i've probably forgot more than you know   somehow i knew the real closet liberals were going to come out here.  how dare you say anything about rap/hip-hop.  just like the controversy about mary blige bk commercial with her selling fried chicken samiches.  so what!  i love fried chicken and even watermelon.  so what!!  who's making that a racist issue??  get over it.  the fact is there are more shootings and fights at rap/hip-hop venues-period.  i don't know what color the instigators are and i don't care.  they are bad/character people and should be dealt with.  you 2 dudes sound like the type that have convicted zimmerman and have donated to the bounty the _____ panthers have put out on him.  race doesn't matter who or what is done here-they are people-let's start there racist

nice post.  you may have forgotten more than i know, but the fact you're arrogant enough to post that makes me think otherwise.  even if you have, i'm happy i haven't forgotten how to at least be decent.  i never called you a racist, which makes me wonder why you immediately went in that dirrection, and the person who shot and killed martin was a hispanic, so being white i'm not sure where you want to take that.  i just think blaming rap/hip-hop music for violence/trouble is similar to blaming a hoodie for a young man's death.  i guess you and geraldo are on the same page...i see it differently.  as far as convicting zimmerman, i'll leave it to the courts, but i hope it goes to the courts because where i come from you better have a dang good reason to chase after, shoot, and kill an unarmed child who had just walked to the store and paid for a snack after dispatchers told you to leave the kid alone.   

[Dawson Rental]

Congrats, Marquette.  You made the news again tonight.

I think that the players should be congratulated.  By keeping Marquette's name in the press, they are enhancing the schools profile leading to increased applications and greater alumni support.

[Dawson Rental]

I managed to get some security camera photos.  As the second photo shows, their might be something to DJO and a bottle.

Isn't that Jae Crowder breaking up in fight in the first photo.  I didn't even know he was there.

[Dawson Rental]

Agree 100%

That St. Patrick's Day rap concert on Water St. was insane, and of course ended in a big brawl.

Clearly just bringing this incident up makes you and anti-Irish racist or a Notre Dame fan.

[wyzgy]

nice post.  you may have forgotten more than i know, but the fact you're arrogant enough to post that makes me think otherwise.  even if you have, i'm happy i haven't forgotten how to at least be decent.  i never called you a racist, which makes me wonder why you immediately went in that dirrection, and the person who shot and killed martin was a hispanic, so being white i'm not sure where you want to take that.  i just think blaming rap/hip-hop music for violence/trouble is similar to blaming a hoodie for a young man's death.  i guess you and geraldo are on the same page...i see it differently.  as far as convicting zimmerman, i'll leave it to the courts, but i hope it goes to the courts because where i come from you better have a dang good reason to chase after, shoot, and kill an unarmed child who had just walked to the store and paid for a snack after dispatchers told you to leave the kid alone.   

you better go back and review the real facts of the case-zimmerman did not chase tyvon. and zimmerman was getting the schmit knocked out of him.  zimmerman also backed off after the 911 call and was going back to his car when trayvon suddenly re-appeared and the fight was on.  trayvon wasn't the alter-boy he was first portrayed as and was much bigger than mr. zimmerman.  did that give zimmerman the right to shoot/kill him?  that's going to be the million dollar issue.  i'm not going to touch the rest of your comments as i see they are already tainted by the racist and bised media. does duke lacrosse team ring any bells?  yet this needs to be re-reviewed outside of the media, but the damage is already done.  i hope justice prevails.  the racist part?  i know you did not call me a racist, but i was kinda responding to all the posts against me in one.  skatman called me a "super racist" and southie says i'm "ignorant".  i'm not arrogant, just standing up for myself.  i don't think an english teacher is going to give south a passing grade for his argument, but that goes with the territory.  

[Goose]

Real
My son works down in the area and was there when this came down. At first he texted pics of the squad cars and simply said it was crazy with cops and MU players. Was surprised that nothing came out in upcoming days and refrained from posting on topic. My son, who is not big ball fan, said it was a bunch of activity over nothing. He would not know VB from Larry Bird and he felt it basically was not a big deal. Told me that if not for me being big MU fan he would not have even mentioned it to me.

A week or so later a good friend of the program told me there was thorough investigation and nothing other than underage tickets would come if it. Sitting here today I would say my sons report and friend of the program were spot on.

[LastWarrior]

Putting aside the underage drinking (minor deal) and potential fisticuffs (no one filed a complaint) .. the thing that irritates me most is .. once again, Marquette's reaction to not just come out with the damn story.  

It was just freaking inevitable that, with a spectacle like this, 30 people involved, a bar being shut down, 11 squads being called that of course, a record of the police report was going to be made public.

So when police report #1 comes out, instead of mentioning the altercation, MU sticks with "underage drinking" when they certainly knew it was more than that.  The media, and radio stations pounce with rumors worse than the truth.

Well, gosh, now police report #2 comes out and lays out the big picture and here we go, an unnecessary round #2 in the media where breathless media will report MU players being in an altercation -- which was inevitable, just could have come out in 1 news cycle instead of 2 .. which makes it look like MU was trying to hide the full story/cover it up.  

Oh, wait, here it is, Standard Operating Procedure, page 1.  

Queue the "well, what did you want them to say?" in 3...2..1...

This guy... spot on!  Nice work Hilltopper!

[Goose]

Topper
Normally agree with your posts but this time you might be reading too much into it. I think many, if not all of us, knew there was incident in late jan and nothing ever came out about it. As I mentioned I was going to say something on the 30th and felt why talk about nothing. As weeks went by and nothing ever was reported it became a complete non event to me.

I would rather see school be proactive in off court issues when it is needed. This incident to me has to do with the kids and their patents first and then the kids and school. If the incident was bigger issue then statement is needed in my opinion. Often I think school makes PR mistakes but in this case not so sure. Just my two cents.

[Silkk the Shaka]

this is old "friggin" news and whatever....  the only new news is there were fights, but unless i missed something, no warriors were involved.  but my question to the audience is why there seem to be more fights, shootings at these rap music venues??  there always seems to be a big fight erupting and many times, unfortunately someone firing off a gun to put an exclamation on the thing.  what is it about rap music that breeds fights and gunshots?

Old, white, and sheltered.  Feel bad for you.

[wyzgy]

Old, white, and sheltered.  Feel bad for you.

what?????     speakin of racism...how do you know what my ethnicity is?  can't argue the points so you punt.  did you see any of my other posts?  do some homework, learn something and think for yourself rather than writing from the hip.   

[brewcity77]

what?????     speakin of racism...how do you know what my ethnicity is?  can't argue the points so you punt.  did you see any of my other posts?  do some homework, learn something and think for yourself rather than writing from the hip.   

So says the guy who thinks every rap concert or evening at a hip-hop nightclub ends with "x" number of bullets flying 

[reinko]

People are confusing racism and prejudice.  Racism denotes folks with power actively keeping others of different races from receiving certain rights, usually through acts or intimidation.  While prejudice is people making negative statements or generating stereotypes about people from certain backgrounds, and drawing conclusions based on those false generalizations.

Language is important folks.

[wyzgy]

what happened to the rest of the comments??  all you have to do is tell us...whatever...

[brewcity77]

Ghosts in the machine

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Congrats, Marquette.  You made the news again tonight.

One of the things I do appreciate about Chicos/Hoopaloop is his point that there doesn't have to be anything substantive about these stories. The problem is that they keep on coming and that Marquette has little or no ability to control the message, and acts like total buffoons when the stories do come out. (E.g. "Pray about it" on the front cover of the Tribune) There's a cumulative effect here that Marquette seems helpless to counter.

[mu_hilltopper]

what happened to the rest of the comments??  all you have to do is tell us...whatever...

Moved the Florida stuff to the superbar.

[real chili 83]

Where's your Messiah nowwwwwwwwwwwww?

Couldn't resist.  Watching the Ten Commandments for the 50 billionth time.  

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Clearly just bringing this incident up makes you and anti-Irish racist or a Notre Dame fan.

Yes, but we all know it wasn't the irish dudes fighting. It was the dudes listening to rap.

[wyzgy]

Yes, but we all know it wasn't the irish dudes fighting. It was the dudes listening to rap.

nice cloak

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

nice cloak

Anytime you mix large groups of young people, and specifically young males together with alcohol (and other assorted recreational drugs), you will have some problems.

Has nothing to do with skin color or music.

EXAMPLE: Riverspalsh was canceled in Milwaukee due to too many incidents, and the expense of the security involved. I don't remember any of the musical acts being hip hop artists. It was all generic cover bands and some local acts.