COVID-19 (f/k/a "the Coronavirus")

[rocket surgeon]

82 got his fix, he should be all good now for about 10-15 minutes now?  When did you become the campaign manager for uncle joe? 

We have what we have right now. Not many could have withstood the barage  of false info leading up to and thru the impeachment, the appointment of kavanough, and the everyday b.s. as 82 has just shown.

Every government official including the potus should be vetted but the extent to which this guy has been challenged, unlawfully should be a bar assign. Lost is the respect for the position and lost is the ability for our media to provide true checks and balances. The major networks have chucked any semblance of “journalistic” integrity  the only people,that helps are the DNC and its minions and even there it’s harmful because it blinds themselves to the corruption they’re  allowed to get away with. And that hurts all of us

We had new trade deals that no predecessor before even attempted. He brought back a lot of manufacturing that another thought he needed a magic wand for.  He’s getting a fare share of monies for the UN as we’ve been disproportionately were paying for. I don’t even want to get into the previous unemployment numbers. This country was humming while the rest of the world was coasting at best

I understand why people don’t like this guy, but that does give everyone a license to change what he has really done so far. Nor the right to abuse the office and try to oust him through a dishonest/ criminal coup

 he was voted in, he’s got some good people to help us out of this mess

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

82 got his fix, he should be all good now for about 10-15 minutes now?  When did you become the campaign manager for uncle joe? 

We have what we have right now. Not many could have withstood the barage  of false info leading up to and thru the impeachment, the appointment of kavanough, and the everyday b.s. as 82 has just shown.

Every government official including the potus should be vetted but the extent to which this guy has been challenged, unlawfully should be a bar assign. Lost is the respect for the position and lost is the ability for our media to provide true checks and balances. The major networks have chucked any semblance of “journalistic” integrity  the only people,that helps are the DNC and its minions and even there it’s harmful because it blinds themselves to the corruption they’re  allowed to get away with. And that hurts all of us

We had new trade deals that no predecessor before even attempted. He brought back a lot of manufacturing that another thought he needed a magic wand for.  He’s getting a fare share of monies for the UN as we’ve been disproportionately were paying for. I don’t even want to get into the previous unemployment numbers. This country was humming while the rest of the world was coasting at best

I understand why people don’t like this guy, but that does give everyone a license to change what he has really done so far. Nor the right to abuse the office and try to oust him through a dishonest/ criminal coup

 he was voted in, he’s got some good people to help us out of this mess

You're doing just what you critized MU82 for.  Stick to the topic.

[tower912]

I told Mike he was over the top.   Rocket, you are being a hypocrite, acting as Trump's campaign manager while criticizing someone else for, in your words, acting as Uncle Joe's campaign manager.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Only 150...yes, that is NOT a typo, only 150 people have died from Covid-19 that do NOT have pre existing conditions..It's time to re-open the country.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/

Guru here are the numbers of Americans with pre-existing conditions in America

Diabetes: 34 million (American diabetes association)
Hypertension: 100 million (American heart association)
Cancer: 1.7 million new per year
Chronic respiratory disease: 37 million (American lung association)

Note I didn’t add heart disease because I don’t know how to define it—but that’s big too

So not all additive, but a significant portion of Americans have ‘pre-existing conditions’

[🏀]

Guru here are the numbers of Americans with pre-existing conditions in America

Diabetes: 34 million (American diabetes association)
Hypertension: 100 million (American heart association)
Cancer: 1.7 million new per year
Chronic respiratory disease: 37 million (American lung association)

So not all additive, but a significant portion of Americans have ‘pre-existing conditions’

Thin the herd! Drain the swamp! Open it back up!

[Elonsmusk]

Wow ... lots here, rocket.

1. Elections Have Consequences. Totally agree. So let me ask you this ... Did the 2018 election also have consequences? You know, the one in which suburban women were so repulsed by the president that they showed up in droves to turn House districts that had been Republican for decades over to the Dems. Which, of course, led to the impeachment that you so often decry. Don't like it? Tough! Elections have consequences!

As for the consequences of the 2016 election, we're certainly seeing them now. We as a country elected a man who ran on a platform of science denial, who spent years appointing unqualified people to important jobs (and firing them and hiring the next group of unqualified hacks), who was uniquely unprepared for the presidency, and who cares only about himself. Tens of thousands dead, and probably more, not to mention all those scarred for life physically, financially and emotionally. Tough consequence.

2. I'd Rather Have a Businessman. Yep, quite a self-made man he is. Given hundreds of millions of dollars by his daddy, who also bought him bone spurs and taught him how to be a racist slumlord. Bankrupted several casinos before he had to shut them down; oversaw the collapse of the USFL; defrauded Trump U students before having to shut his scam school down; ran Trump Steaks, Trump Jets and numerous other Trump enterprises into the ground; had to shut down his foundation because he used the money illegally and on himself (there's a shock). How much is your heroic businessman actually worth? We don't know, because he's the only major-party presidential candidate in more than 40 years to not make his taxes public - something he promised to do 100 times (100 lies).

3. All I Care About Is the Middle Class. That's noble of you ... and it makes you very different from your emperor, who doesn't give a rat's rump about the middle class.

4. I Trust the "whitehouse" More Than Xi Jinping. Interesting that the leader of that "whitehouse" actually said this about his own hand-picked Fed chair, Jay Powell: "My only question is, who is our bigger enemy, Jay Powel or Chairman Xi?"

5. Uncle Joe Will Fix This - Oy Vey. Yes, rocket, it's impossible that Biden - or anybody else with a pulse - could have done better than the self-proclaimed Chosen One, right?

6. Chinese Wanted This. Well, I guess this is a step up from blaming the Deep State, at least. Gotta run now, rocket, and make sure my tin-foil hat fits right.

Based on the available data, when would you have shut all businesses down and ordered a nationwide shelter in place?  Now consider if YOU were a small business owner, with a modest income, living in South Dakota - would you have felt it was "fair" to have your livelihood taken away at a time when there were 2 reported cases in your state, while New York had 30,000?

Further, do you really think a "non-racist" like yourself would have shut down travel from China on January 31. Or from Europe on March 17?

You do realize the the middle class and low income segments are the most devastated from the economic shutdown, correct?  Those of us with college degrees, are in a far better place to cope with this shutdown - many of us haven't been laid off/out of work, and have savings accounts/retirement accounts.

Prior to a once in a 100 year pandemic, Trump was presiding over a period of record employment & stock market, rising wages, rightfully confronting China, Mexico, and Canada on trade FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR MIDDLE CLASS, took out Al-Baghdadi, ISIS neutralized, drawing down our troops abroad.  The guy has been far from "unhinged," a war-mongerer, etc.  Remember all the doom and gloom predictions put forth by your favorite news sources once he was elected - predicting war, stock market crash, etc.  "Unhinged."  "Mentally unstable."  "Journalists" offering those opinions. Classy. 

I can understand not liking his demeanor, tone, arrogance, and how he conducts himself - but, all in all he has done a good job.  Of course, pulling us out of Paris Climate Accord ruffled feathers, yet that decision had just as much to do with again trying to level the playing field with China, as it did anything else.  China is the enemy, and ultimately directly responsible for the gutting of our middle class, regardless of who was in the Presidency prior to Trump.  From Reagan to Obama - all are guilty of facilitating China's rise to power/dominance.  If you give a sh$t about humanity, you certainly should be disturbed and aggrieved by how China treats its people/workers.

I'm proud of how our Federal, State, and Local governments have come together to fight this once in a century pandemic.  You have both sides of the aisle working their asses off to solve this problem. 

[GooooMarquette]

Only 150...yes, that is NOT a typo, only 150 people have died from Covid-19 that do NOT have pre existing conditions..It's time to re-open the country.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/

So "everyone" can go back to work...except older workers, smokers, obese people, people with cardiovascular diseases including hypertension, diabetics, people with respiratory diseases including asthma, cancer patients, and any others who have a compromised immune system.

Sounds doable. Who's gonna tell POTUS he fits in the "older workers" category?

[tower912]

Guru, assuming the data in your link is accurate, you make a very good point.     However, I think the responses to you are also spot on as to the number of people who have these co morbidities.     It appears that half of the adult population in America has at least one of them.   

[Hards Alumni]

Before this pandemic hit, the country was in pretty good shape

Sure, if you're an old white male.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Look, the country is likely going to "open up" sometime in early to mid May.  Maybe Memorial Day at the latest.  And we are going to have to see what happens.  Hopefully we will be able to mitigate and manage, because going back into stay at home would be disasterous. 

[Jay Bee]

Look, the country is likely going to "open up" sometime in early to mid May.  Maybe Memorial Day at the latest.  And we are going to have to see what happens.  Hopefully we will be able to mitigate and manage, because going back into stay at home would be disasterous.

Get ready for disaster.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

Look, the country is likely going to "open up" sometime in early to mid May.  Maybe Memorial Day at the latest.  And we are going to have to see what happens.  Hopefully we will be able to mitigate and manage, because going back into stay at home would be disasterous.

The country should open up ASAP.  I just wish we would do some of the things that will make it less chaotic and sustainable.  I am not interested in going back into this lockdown mess again in 3-4 weeks.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

Get ready for disaster.

You may be right.  But those making the economic arguments are eventually going to win people over.

[Hards Alumni]

I'll answer for him since he may not be back for a while.

Based on the available data, when would you have shut all businesses down and ordered a nationwide shelter in place?  Now consider if YOU were a small business owner, with a modest income, living in South Dakota - would you have felt it was "fair" to have your livelihood taken away at a time when there were 2 reported cases in your state, while New York had 30,000?

Probably the first week in February.  After seeing Wuhan locked up tighter than a tick, and seeing it spread like fire through China.  All it would have taken is about 10 minutes of looking at flight logs between China and the US.

Further, do you really think a "non-racist" like yourself would have shut down travel from China on January 31. Or from Europe on March 17?

Yes.  And I'd have closed off Europe to non-essential travel a week after I shut down travel to China.  Additionally, I'd have serious screening for everyone coming into the US from anywhere internationally.

You do realize the the middle class and low income segments are the most devastated from the economic shutdown, correct?  Those of us with college degrees, are in a far better place to cope with this shutdown - many of us haven't been laid off/out of work, and have savings accounts/retirement accounts.

Yes, everyone realizes this. What exactly is your point?

Prior to a once in a 100 year pandemic, Trump was presiding over a period of record employment & stock market, rising wages, rightfully confronting China, Mexico, and Canada on trade FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR MIDDLE CLASS, took out Al-Baghdadi, ISIS neutralized, drawing down our troops abroad.  The guy has been far from "unhinged," a war-mongerer, etc.  Remember all the doom and gloom predictions put forth by your favorite news sources once he was elected - predicting war, stock market crash, etc.  "Unhinged."  "Mentally unstable."  "Journalists" offering those opinions. Classy. 

These are simply talking points.  I can easily make arguments against each, but you'd just write them off so why bother.

I can understand not liking his demeanor, tone, arrogance, and how he conducts himself - but, all in all he has done a good job.  Of course, pulling us out of Paris Climate Accord ruffled feathers, yet that decision had just as much to do with again trying to level the playing field with China, as it did anything else.  China is the enemy, and ultimately directly responsible for the gutting of our middle class, regardless of who was in the Presidency prior to Trump.  From Reagan to Obama - all are guilty of facilitating China's rise to power/dominance.  If you give a sh$t about humanity, you certainly should be disturbed and aggrieved by how China treats its people/workers.

Again, talking points.  China isn't to blame.  The American consumer's desire to buy cheap crap to keep up with the Jones' is the problem.  Who moved the manufacturing to China?  Was it US corporations?  Of course it was.  The first that did it made loads of money, and others had to follow suit to keep up.  And this all happened because of simple economics.  Not because China is the enemy.  The market found a way to make a cheaper widget, so it happened.  And it will happen again.  Cheap labor in China is going to taper off with the rise of their middle class.  Production will move again, and it will probably never come back to the US... I mean, unless we have a cheap labor pool... like you know, full automation.

I'm proud of how our Federal, State, and Local governments have come together to fight this once in a century pandemic.  You have both sides of the aisle working their asses off to solve this problem.

I'm proud of how SOME individual states have done, but our Federal response has been abysmal.  There is no sugar coating it.

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The country should open up ASAP.  I just wish we would do some of the things that will make it less chaotic and sustainable.  I am not interested in going back into this lockdown mess again in 3-4 weeks.

No ASAP would be wrong.  States are peaking shortly.  Two weeks after peak is when people should go back.  I'm thinking May 10.

[Hards Alumni]

You may be right.  But those making the economic arguments are eventually going to win people over.

And that is the problem. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMMNvYTEyI

[The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole]

The point is that we need to concentrate on what "opening back up" looks like.  Not on if we are, or if we aren't.

[pbiflyer]

Guru, assuming the data in your link is accurate, you make a very good point.     However, I think the responses to you are also spot on as to the number of people who have these co morbidities.     It appears that half of the adult population in America has at least one of them.

And add to the count the people without pre existing conditions but live with people that do and you are talking about a large majority of the country.

There aren’t simple solutions despite what some say.

[Frenns Liquor Depot]

No ASAP would be wrong.  States are peaking shortly.  Two weeks after peak is when people should go back.  I'm thinking May 10.

I am not picking a date fluffy.  I stress the possible part of the acronym.

[GooooMarquette]

The point is that we need to concentrate on what "opening back up" looks like.  Not on if we are, or if we aren't.

At a minimum, aggressive and widely available testing, contact tracing, and continued strong emphasis on hand washing and physical distancing.

Unfortunately, I haven’t heard anything to indicate that we’re ready for widely available testing and contact tracing. CDC, can you hear me?!?

[forgetful]

Only 150...yes, that is NOT a typo, only 150 people have died from Covid-19 that do NOT have pre existing conditions..It's time to re-open the country.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/numbers-150-americans-date-no-pre-existing-conditions-died-coronavirus-0-9/

Guru, there are reasons why news sources lie "the gateway pundit" are not trustworthy. This article is complete and total crap. Pure political propaganda. I'll go through why.

1. The preexisting condition death rates they are reporting are not for the US. Those co-morbidities are really really old. They come from Worldometers, and very old Chinese data. They have nothing to do with the US.

2. Even then, they either misreport the data intentionally, or did not bother to understand what they are actually reading. Given that the table they are referencing is clearly, labeled "Death rate all cases," I think it is the former. The death rate is 0.9% for ALL people that contract the virus that have no pre-existing conditions. That means that if all of 506,008 people that have been infected in the US have no pre-existing conditions, then 4554 people in the US would have died without pre-existing conditions.

Since the US hasn't been releasing all the co-morbity analysis we cannot know. Also, even being overweight is a "co-morbidity." So if your BMI is above 25, you have a co-morbidity. 71.6% of Americans are considered overweight.

This is why it is important to choose your news source wisely. This article is deliberate mis-reporting, to push an agenda that would endanger the health of Americans.

[Hards Alumni]

Guru, there are reasons why news sources lie "the gateway pundit" are not trustworthy. This article is complete and total crap. Pure political propaganda. I'll go through why.

1. The preexisting condition death rates they are reporting are not for the US. Those co-morbidities are really really old. They come from Worldometers, and very old Chinese data. They have nothing to do with the US.

2. Even then, they either misreport the data intentionally, or did not bother to understand what they are actually reading. Given that the table they are referencing is clearly, labeled "Death rate all cases," I think it is the former. The death rate is 0.9% for ALL people that contract the virus that have no pre-existing conditions. That means that if all of 506,008 people that have been infected in the US have no pre-existing conditions, then 4554 people in the US would have died without pre-existing conditions.

Since the US hasn't been releasing all the co-morbity analysis we cannot know. Also, even being overweight is a "co-morbidity." So if your BMI is above 25, you have a co-morbidity. 71.6% of Americans are considered overweight.

This is why it is important to choose your news source wisely. This article is deliberate mis-reporting, to push an agenda that would endanger the health of Americans.

It's better to just not engage.

[Archies Bat]

We need a non-political meme contest.

[injuryBug]

No ASAP would be wrong.  States are peaking shortly.  Two weeks after peak is when people should go back.  I'm thinking May 10.

I would guess sometime around Mid May.  People just need to be smart and respect others as we have been currently.
Keep the physical distancing, practice washing hands covering your cough/sneeze.  That will all help in keeping things at bay.
Then have restaurants only open to half capacity and stores limit the number of people that get to enter

[MU82]

Ners and rocket: We will agree to disagree on the marks this president and his administration deserve for their response to this pandemic and most other things. The only poll or opinions that really matter will be conducted this fall.

Others: I'd rather not need to rebut what other Scoopers say about politics, but sometimes I simply feel it necessary. As do many of you, from both sides of the aisle.

I'll step out of this thread for the rest of the weekend now. Y'all stay healthy and enjoy your Easter, Passover or just being with family and friends, whether in person, virtually or otherwise.