Oso planning to go pro
I'll admit being extra tired this morning so I might not be thinking clearly but are:"Would he be at best the third-best player on the court and, if so, would that sit well with him?"and:"I have no idea how the idea of a super talented one and done joining a stacked roster hurts MU in any way."talking about the same player?
Why would Nico be different from Henry? Maybe because we'd have a better team around him, one with veteran leaders truly capable of a FF run? Would there be any concerns that, like Henry, Nico would be mostly about showcasing Nico?
I'll stick with my opinion on Gold. He'll be in foul trouble within the first eight minutes.
I'm with Eng on this. It's a different story for different times. Let's say Nico was 'self centered' on a team like that. Personally I don't see Wojo or his teammates tolerating it for a moment. Plus if he thinks the world will revolve around him the next year in the NBA he'll wash out pretty quickly. Working hard and being a team player actually enhances his stock in the eyes of the league. Henry's situation was different because of the lack of talent.I really think we've got a great shot at Nico. So much will depend on the experience the Bailey family is having over these next months. Thurl and Brendan will be a huge influence. Again, just like was the case with Joey, Nico isn't going to rely on 'coach speak' in making his decision about MU.
I’m not quite sure where the narrative that Hank “set us back many years” comes from. Would we have been better without Hank the year Hank was here had we been able to fill his spot with another Matt Heldt? Heldt no.Did we not make our only NCAA Tournament of the Wojo era the year after Hank left?Also, according to Evan Daniels’s podcast, I’m not sure Nico “is about as interested in playing defense as Rowsey was.” Daniels reports he’s a 2 way player that is about as well rounded as they come in high school. So I don’t know how you get from “I don’t know a lick about the guy” to “he has no interest in defense” but Daniels seems to think he’s a pretty good defender.If players transfer because coach hurt their feelings by bringing in more talent instead of just bringing in guys they don’t have to compete with then buh bye. I hope the team is sick of 5th-8th place BE, non NCAA Tournament seasons. Only one way to fix that...
I understand the fear that featuring one player so much can hurt a team, but I think that these are vastly different scenarios.Showcasing a self described "pure point guard" is significantly different than showcasing a power forward that launched over 3 3s a game at a 28% clip. Nico's potential draft stock will be effected by his assist numbers and his ability to make his teammates better. Can anyone really say that Hanks 1.8 apg had much of an impact on his stock. I'm not a NBA scout, but I would imagine that looking at a Pgs line, 10ppg, 7apg, and 1spg would be more favorable than 17ppg, 2apg. For the other 4 positions in the NBA you're mostly judged on how much you can score and who you can defend. With PGs, you also have to throw in ability to make teammates better. I think one of the potential boosts that we might get in trying to attract Nico, that is being overlooked, is if Joe comes in for one year, and dishes dimes left and right, Nico could see himself doing the exact same thing one year later with the same core.
I'm sorry 82, but OF COURSE you take Nico Mannion. If Nova, Duke, Zona are willing to take on the burden of a 5-star recruit like Mannion, I think Marquette should be too. How is this even a debate??
I think the Nico thing and Henry thing are very different. Henry came in at a time when the talent cubbard was bare and I think it did delay the rebuilding process in combination raise expectations way too high. Bringing Nico into an established roster with staff continuity in place, recruits on deck on the outlying years is a non-factor from a concern standpoint plus if you can get talent that will lead you to a FF/NC with the roster we have in place you absolutely do it.I have no idea how the idea of a super talented one and done joining a stacked roster hurts MU in any way.
TAMUI do know, Newsie is right on you knowing ball.
The most pressing concern with one and dones is not their talent, but who are they playing for? Are they playing for themselves only to improve draft position or playing for the school on the front of the jersey? Henry was a mix of good and bad because guys stood and watched him at times, but that was also partially because he was clearly the best player. In this situation, Mannion he would not be head and shoulders above. How would the seniors and other accept him? Doesn’t Wojo let the players vote on team chemistry possibilities?
I agree with you in theory but I do think its a bit different for one and done PGs. They improve their draft stock by being exceptional and by making the players around them better.
This seems ridiculous to me. We have a chance to add a top 3 PG in the country to a team that includes senior Howard and Hauser. You're telling me you would consider, even for a second, passing on him? And because you're worried someone like Koby McEwan would transfer?